Casey Sigmon joined Tim and me to wrestle with worship, justice, and what happens when we think liturgy is just the music on Sunday morning instead of the choreography of our entire lives. Casey pushed us to see worship as ascribing worth—not just to any god, but to the One revealed in Jesus who demands we care for the oppressed, which means our praise songs better match our actual practices or we're just modern-day targets for Amos's rage. We dug into how white evangelicalism has turned worship into an industry that eliminates friction—picking churches by aesthetic preference, using AI to smooth out prophetic edges, segregating by taste and theology—when the biblical tradition is all about agonistic encounter with holy otherness that disrupts and transforms us. Tim brought his years as a professional drummer in that space to ask hard questions about manipulation versus mystery, while Casey helped us think about lament, confession, and how we've lost communal accountability for systemic sin by making everything about personal purity. We also geeked out on how religion evolved from ritual and trance before language even existed, why kids should lead us in justice work, and whether God's power looks more like collaborative choreography than cosmic intervention.

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Casey Thornburgh Sigmon is an Assistant Professor in Preaching and Worship and Project Director of the Pause/Play Center for Preachers at Saint Paul School of Theology in Leawood, Kan. She graduated from Vanderbilt University with a PhD in Homiletics and Liturgics. Her first book, Engaging the Gadfly: Moving from Reactionary to Reflective Preaching a Digital Age (Cascade), explores how the practice of preaching can affirm and subvert norms from social media and generative AI. Dr. Sigmon is an ordained minister in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ).

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