Change with a Conscience: Ethics, Red Flags & Real Talk with Myah Rom & Gilbert Kruidenier

In this very human episode of the Change It podcast, I sit down with change practitioners Myah Rom and Gilbert Kruidenier to talk about something we don’t explore nearly enough ethics in change.

We unpack the tricky dual loyalties between business outcomes and employee wellbeing, share personal stories from the field, and reflect on those uncomfortable moments where doing the right thing isn’t always the easiest thing.

From the misuse of behavioural science to the subtle red flags we brush past, this conversation shines a light on the real work of navigating change with integrity.

We cover:
🔹 The ethics of influence, power, and behavioural nudges
🔹 What psychosocial safety legislation means for change
🔹 When to raise a red flag (and how to do it with grace)
🔹 How AI and tech challenge ethical boundaries
🔹 Why listening, not persuading, is the ultimate leadership skill

This isn’t about perfection; it’s about being present, curious, and honest in the face of complexity.

Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/kruidenierconsulting?originalSubdomain=au

https://www.linkedin.com/in/myah-rom-285b5426?originalSubdomain=au

https://www.amazon.com.au/Bad-Change-doesnt-things-better/dp/B0B1BL78GV