Clayton McMillan is head coach of the Chiefs and widely respected as one of New Zealand’s very best rugby coaches.

In this episode we talk about Clayton’s unconventional upbringing, why he became a police officer, and why he left the force, his rugby career, his coaching career – and his path to the Chiefs job.

The second half of this one is packed full of world class coaching and leadership wisdom. We talk about what was happening behind the scenes at the Chiefs when he took over in 2021, his relationship with Warren Gatland, how Clayton built culture, and transformed the team in 12 months. We also discuss his All Blacks coaching aspirations, balance and family and the future of rugby.

This was a really cool and special chat. Clayton doesn’t do interviews like this; he’s a very private guy – and we felt incredibly privileged to share so much of his time and space.

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