In this episode of the China Desk Podcast, host Steve Yates speaks with Grace Jin Drexel, human rights advocate and daughter of Pastor Ezra Jin, founder of one of China’s largest underground house church networks, about the Chinese Communist Party’s intensifying crackdown on religious freedom.

Grace shares the personal story of her father’s detention in October 2025, when Chinese authorities carried out a coordinated nationwide sweep targeting independent Christian leaders across multiple cities. She explains how her father’s church — which had grown from a local Beijing congregation into a nationwide network — became part of a broader campaign to suppress independent religious activity outside state control.

The conversation provides a rare, firsthand look at how religious life actually functions inside China, including the key differences between state-sanctioned churches and underground “house churches.” Grace describes how government-controlled churches operate under strict oversight — including limits on worship, leadership, and even the number of baptisms — while independent churches seek to practice faith freely but face increasing risk of surveillance, shutdown, and detention.

The discussion also explores:

Grace also recounts the moment she learned of her father’s detention while living in the United States, describing the uncertainty, fear, and urgency that followed as she began advocating publicly for his release and for others facing similar persecution.

This is both a deeply personal story and a broader warning about the future of religious freedom in China — and the growing willingness of the CCP to target independent communities it cannot control.

00:00 — Introduction and Grace Jin Drexel joins the podcast

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What if one of the most critical components in modern technology — from fighter jets to smartphones — is also one of the most overlooked?

In this episode of The China Desk Podcast, host Steve Yates sits down with David Schild, Executive Director of the Printed Circuit Board Association of America (PCBAA), to break down the strategic importance of printed circuit boards (PCBs) and why they have become a major vulnerability in the U.S.–China competition.

Schild explains that while policymakers have focused heavily on semiconductors and rare earths, the United States has largely ignored the “middle layer” of the electronics stack — printed circuit boards — which connect and enable every advanced system in modern life. From defense systems and AI data centers to power grids and consumer electronics, virtually everything relies on PCBs.

The conversation details how China came to dominate global PCB production through long-term industrial policy, subsidies, and strategic investment, while U.S. production collapsed from roughly 30% of global supply to just 4% today. This shift has created serious national security concerns, including supply chain dependence, risks to trusted and secure systems, and the loss of domestic research and development.

The discussion also explores:

Schild argues that rebuilding U.S. PCB manufacturing is not just an economic issue — it is essential to maintaining technological leadership, securing supply chains, and ensuring that the United States can compete in an era of great power competition.

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Host Steve Yates welcomes back Andrew Phelan, Australian med-tech entrepreneur, former DFAT Australia-China Council scholar, and longtime China Desk guest (episodes #72 & #85). 

They explore grassroots concerns in rural Australia: PRC-linked entities acquiring prime farmland and mineral sands through opaque offshore structures. State governments are forcing wind and solar farms on farmers under the net zero agenda—often with little transparency or consultation. Farmers face contempt from policymakers, increased bushfire risks from turbines, and generational land loss. 

The discussion draws parallels to U.S. rural and agricultural issues, examines supply chain vulnerabilities (rare earths and critical minerals), and highlights Germany’s shift from engagement to harsh reality (auto sales collapse, tech theft examples). Andrew stresses the need for “Team Freedom” alignment—US, Australia, Canada, UK, Japan—decoupling where necessary, and strong leadership like Trump’s industrial rebuilding and Japan’s Takahashi era. 

He previews his upcoming platform TheChinaChallenge.com (launching soon) as a one-stop hub to counter CCP narratives and amplify freedom voices. Essential listening for understanding local-level malign influence, economic coercion, and strategic responses. 

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In this episode of The China Desk Podcast, host Steve Yates sits down with journalist and documentary filmmaker Jan Jekielek, host of American Thought Leaders and author of Killed to Order. The conversation explores the disturbing allegations surrounding forced organ harvesting in China, a practice critics say is linked to the Chinese Communist Party’s detention system and repression of dissident groups. Jekielek explains how the issue first emerged through reports from prisoners of conscience and human-rights investigations, and how China’s transplant system raised questions among medical experts due to extremely short wait times for organs. He discusses the role of propaganda, state control, and international medical partnerships, and what this controversy reveals about the structure of power inside the CCP. The discussion also examines broader geopolitical implications, including how Western governments, institutions, and medical systems have responded—or failed to respond—to the allegations.

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Is China competing—or executing a long-term strategy to dominate global industry?

In this episode of The China Desk, legendary CEO advisor Ram Charan joins Steve Yates to break down his book China’s 90% Model: China Has America by the Throat — Here’s How to Fight Back and Win. Charan argues that China’s strategy is deliberate: build capacity to meet 90% of global demand, sell below marginal cost, subsidize exports, and destroy competitors across entire industries.

Drawing on six decades advising global executives—including more than 50 Chinese companies—Charan explains how this model has hollowed out American manufacturing in sectors like solar, pharmaceuticals, chemicals, and advanced materials. He describes why many CEOs understand the threat privately but hesitate to speak publicly, and why investors may be underestimating long-term risk.

The conversation explores:

Charan argues that America and its allies still possess overwhelming economic strength—but only if they coordinate industrial policy, rebuild manufacturing capacity, and communicate the stakes clearly to the public and business leaders alike.

This is a high-level strategic conversation about economic warfare, industrial capacity, and what the next seven years could determine for the global balance of power.

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What happens when the world’s most valuable tech company becomes deeply tied to China’s manufacturing ecosystem? In this episode of the China Desk Podcast, host Steve Yates sits down with journalist and author Patrick McGee to unpack the geopolitical stakes behind Apple’s rise, global supply chains, and the future of U.S.–China economic competition.

Drawing from McGee’s research and reporting, the conversation explores how Apple’s manufacturing strategy shaped China’s industrial growth, the realities of technology transfer, and why policymakers are rethinking dependence on Chinese production. The discussion also examines labor dynamics, shifting alliances, and whether diversification to countries like India or Mexico can realistically reshape global tech manufacturing.

If you’re interested in geopolitics, technology strategy, national security, or the future of globalization, this episode delivers a deep, grounded look at how corporate decisions can reshape international power dynamics.

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In this episode of the China Desk Podcast, host Steve Yates speaks with Indo-Pacific expert Cleo Paskal about China’s growing influence across the Pacific Islands and why the region is central to U.S. national security. The conversation explores geopolitical competition in Oceania, corruption and political warfare, Taiwan diplomacy, Guam’s strategic role, and how Chinese economic projects intersect with military strategy. Paskal breaks down the “3.5-tier” framework for understanding Pacific Island priorities and explains why Americans should pay closer attention to the region’s strategic importance.

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In this episode, host Steve Yates is joined by Leland Miller, co-founder of China Beige Book and U.S.–China Economic and Security Review Commission member, for a clear-eyed assessment of China’s economy heading into 2026.

Miller breaks down what analysts got wrong about China in 2025, why GDP figures and stimulus narratives are misleading, and how Xi Jinping is prioritizing advanced manufacturing and national security over household consumption. The conversation examines why a true shift to a consumer-driven Chinese economy is unlikely, how high U.S.–China tariffs have become sustainable rather than destabilizing, and why the real battleground has moved from trade wars to supply chain warfare.

Key topics include supply-chain weaponization, rare earths and pharmaceuticals, tariffs versus effective tariff rates, transshipment, robotics and demographics, and the strategic risks facing the U.S. and its allies as globalization gives way to a fragmented, security-driven economic order.

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In this episode of The China Desk Podcast, host Steve Yates sits down with Tiffany Meier, anchor and investigative reporter for NTD News, to unpack how the Chinese Communist Party exerts long-term influence across global media, Hollywood, technology, and politics.

Meier traces her path into journalism, explains how China In Focus emerged during the early days of COVID-19, and outlines the CCP’s strategy of soft power, censorship, and unrestricted warfare. The conversation explores Hollywood’s entanglement with Chinese censorship, the use of AI and surveillance as tools of authoritarian control, and why Taiwan remains central to global security.

This wide-ranging discussion also examines transnational repression, media capture, human rights abuses, and why understanding China’s long-game strategy is critical for policymakers, journalists, and citizens alike.

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In this episode of the China Desk Podcast, Luke de Pulford of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC) joins host Steve Yates to examine China’s proposed “mega embassy” in London, the national security risks tied to Five Eyes intelligence cables, and how Western governments are capitulating under economic pressure from Beijing. The conversation explores parliamentary resistance, grassroots opposition, CCP coercion tactics, and why Taiwan, supply chains, and global deterrence now define the century’s central geopolitical struggle.

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