The God Journey

Clean Pain or Dirty Pain (#1017)


Listen Later

"All healing involves discomfort—but so does refusing to heal." So writes Resmaa Menakem in his book, My Grandmother's Hands, which Wayne and Sara have just finished reading. The book is about healing from traumatic pain, especially around trauma related to race. Quotes from the book draw Wayne and Klye into a discussion about clean pain and dirty pain as they apply to emotional hurt and wounds. Our responses or reactions to our own pain can either put more hurt in the world, both for ourselves and others, or our responses to pain can promote healing. The difference is whether we come at healing from an agitated state or from a calm, settled body, which we can find in the peace and presence of Jesus. This also points out why our society cannot have a reasoned, healing conversation about race today—both sides come at it from agitation and frustration.

Podcast Notes:

  • The video version of this podcast
  • My Grandmother's Hands
  • Just Love, referred to in this podcast, is a book Wayne is writing with Tobie van der Westhuizen from South Africa. We hope to have it available in February 2026.
  • The post Clean Pain or Dirty Pain (#1017) first appeared on The God Journey.
    ...more
    View all episodesView all episodes
    Download on the App Store

    The God JourneyBy Wayne Jacobsen

    • 4.7
    • 4.7
    • 4.7
    • 4.7
    • 4.7

    4.7

    214 ratings


    More shows like The God Journey

    View all
    Timothy Keller Sermons Podcast by Gospel in Life by Tim Keller

    Timothy Keller Sermons Podcast by Gospel in Life

    16,099 Listeners

    Wild at Heart by John Eldredge

    Wild at Heart

    1,694 Listeners

    Brant & Sherri Oddcast by Brant Hansen

    Brant & Sherri Oddcast

    1,962 Listeners

    Theology in the Raw by Theology in the Raw

    Theology in the Raw

    1,473 Listeners

    Restoring the Soul with Michael John Cusick by Michael John Cusick

    Restoring the Soul with Michael John Cusick

    465 Listeners

    The Allender Center Podcast by The Allender Center

    The Allender Center Podcast

    652 Listeners

    The Nothing Is Wasted Podcast by That Sounds Fun Network

    The Nothing Is Wasted Podcast

    1,073 Listeners

    Brilliant Perspectives by Graham Cooke

    Brilliant Perspectives

    1,615 Listeners

    Being Human with Steve Cuss by Christianity Today

    Being Human with Steve Cuss

    118 Listeners

    The Roys Report by Julie Roys

    The Roys Report

    803 Listeners

    Trinity Forum Conversations by The Trinity Forum

    Trinity Forum Conversations

    218 Listeners

    Being Known Podcast by Being Known Podcast

    Being Known Podcast

    1,167 Listeners

    John Mark Comer Teachings by Practicing the Way

    John Mark Comer Teachings

    1,828 Listeners

    The Jamie & Donna Winship Podcast by Identity Exchange

    The Jamie & Donna Winship Podcast

    184 Listeners