What does it look like if we reuse every atom of metal that we take out of the ground? Erika Ilves is a thinker and industrial strategist who believes that a one-time deep-sea mining effort coupled to a blockchain-based materials-rental paradigm are the key to a harmonious ecological future for humans on Earth. Our conversation details her current projects but also digs into diverse scientific and environmental ideas like problems with our contemporary cosmic narrative, optimism as a moral imperative, and alternatives rivalrous heroism in drama.  Subscribe so we can bring you more conversations!!!  Podcast version available at all usual locations: https://anchor.fm/demystifying-science  More readings from us: https://demystifyingscience.com/blog  Join the Demystifying Science mailing list:  http://eepurl.com/gRUCZL  Let's talk!  @DemystifySci Twitter: https://twitter.com/demystifysci Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/demystifysci Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/demystifysci ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Music: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Shilo Delay:  https://soundcloud.com/laterisgone