C.O.B. Tuesday

C.O.B. Tuesday

By Veriten

C.O.B. Tuesday is a weekly one-hour talk show that serves as a knowledge pipeline for the energy industry and the energy curious. We host honest, timely, conversations with people we believe can im

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  1. Number 1: "You Saw New Yorkers At Their Best That Day" – David Trice, Terry Rathert, and Steve Campbell

    Today marks 25 years since September 11, 2001. We wanted to do our part to remember the lives lost, the extraordinary heroism of that day, and the very best of humanity that emerged amid unimaginable tragedy. For this Special Edition COBT, we sat down with three longtime friends, David Trice, Terry Rathert, and Steve Campbell, to remember the events of that morning and reflect on an experience we shared firsthand. On the morning of September 11, 2001, we were having breakfast together at the Marriott World Trade Center, located between and connected to the North and South Towers, when the first plane struck. In our conversation, we retrace the morning as we remember it: the first moments inside the Marriott, our exit south from the World Trade Center complex toward Battery Park, the collapse of the towers, becoming separated, and eventually finding our way out of Manhattan. We reflect on the instinctive decisions made in moments of extraordinary uncertainty, the courage of first responders moving toward danger, and the countless acts of kindness we witnessed from strangers throughout the day. We also discuss how September 11 changed the way we thought about risk, safety, travel, and the world around us. Twenty-five years later, our memories remain remarkably vivid. We believe remembering and sharing these stories matters – not only to honor those who were lost, but also to remember the courage, generosity, and humanity that so many people showed that day. We are deeply grateful to David, Terry, and Steve for joining us for such a personal conversation and for allowing us to share our memories with the COBT community. This was perhaps the most unique episode in COBT’s history. We hope you find the discussion meaningful and that it contributes in some small way to your own remembrance of the day. We Will Never Forget.

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  2. Number 2: "Our Weather Will Be Dictated By The Polar Vortex" – Dr. Judah Cohen, JANUS Research Group

    Today we had the pleasure of hosting Dr. Judah Cohen for a discussion focused on weather. Judah is a Director of Seasonal Forecasting at JANUS Research Group and a Research Scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. His work focuses on sub-seasonal to seasonal weather forecasting, with particular expertise in the polar vortex, Arctic climate variability, and the factors that drive winter weather across North America and Europe. We were excited to hear Judah’s perspective on the upcoming season, the evolution of weather forecasting, and how new technologies including AI could improve our ability to predict weather further into the future. In our conversation, we explore the evolution of weather forecasting and Dr. Cohen’s career studying sub-seasonal to seasonal weather patterns, including the industry’s progression from historical analogs and statistical methods to increasingly sophisticated physics-based models. We discuss how satellite observations and expanded global datasets have improved our understanding of the atmosphere, as well as the limitations of historical weather data and where today’s models continue to struggle, particularly beyond the traditional one- to two-week forecasting window. Dr. Cohen shared his perspective on the growing role of AI in weather forecasting, the strengths and limitations of current dynamical models, and why better modeling of the interactions between the troposphere, polar vortex, and jet stream could meaningfully improve longer-range forecasts. We also discuss the respective roles of academia, government forecasting centers, and private-sector companies in advancing the next generation of weather modeling. We examine upcoming winter outlooks and the implications of a potentially historic “Super El Niño.” Dr. Cohen explains why El Niño’s influence on winter weather is not necessarily linear and cautioned against assuming that an exceptionally strong El Niño guarantees an exceptionally warm winter. We explore his research linking Siberian snow cover to disruptions of the polar vortex and colder conditions in eastern North America as well as the potential for episodic cold and snow even during an otherwise mild winter. We cover the outlook for Europe, where natural gas storage levels make winter weather particularly consequential, and the difficulty of using El Niño alone to reliably forecast European conditions. We also touch on how an unexpected, multi-week cold snap could materially affect natural gas demand and prices, highlighting the significant implications of improving weather forecasting for energy markets and preparedness for extreme winter events. Mike Bradley opened the discussion by noting that the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell ~600 points this week as investors grappled with higher oil prices and rising U.S. bond yields. The 10-year Treasury yield climbed to ~4.8%, while the 30-year reached ~5.25%. With August CPI and PPI reports due later this week, Mike noted that inflation data could play an important role in shaping interest rate policy at the Sept. 16 FOMC meeting. Turning to energy markets, WTI crude oil increased ~$2/bbl to ~$94/bbl amid renewed U.S.-Iran tensions, with reports of potential explosions on Kharg Island, Iran’s primary oil export terminal. European natural gas prices also continued higher, reaching ~$26–$27/MMBtu and bringing year-to-date gains to ~180%, as concerns grow over Europe’s ability to replenish storage ahead of the winter heating season. Mike wrapped by highlighting the Barclays Energy-Power Conference in New York City, which he is attending this week. Based on his initial meetings, he noted a more constructive tone among companies and investors, with growing optimism around the energy and power outlook into 2027. Veriten Senior Advisor Deborah Byers also joined and added her perspectives and questions throughout the conversation.

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  3. Number 3: “200 Tcf of Recoverable Gas in the Beetaloo Basin” – Todd Abbott & Dick Stoneburner, Tamboran

    Today we had the pleasure of hosting Todd Abbott, Chief Executive Officer of Tamboran Resources, and Dick Stoneburner, Chairman of Tamboran's Board, for a conversation recorded on location in Daly Waters, Northern Territory, Australia, a town of roughly 55 people. Tamboran holds approximately 2.8 million net acres across the Beetaloo Basin, and Todd estimates the basin contains roughly 200 Tcf of recoverable gas, enough to support 5 to 6 Bcf per day for a century. The company is dual-listed on the Australian Securities Exchange and the New York Stock Exchange. We recorded on Tuesday morning Australia time this week as part of the company’s first gas celebration at the Shenandoah 2 pad. In our conversation, Todd explains why a resource of this scale and duration is unique globally, in a region with rising demand and declining domestic supply, and in a country that has supplied LNG to Asia since 1989. He describes the Northern Territory as the most supportive regulatory regime he has worked with, including Texas, with a high bar on standards paired with real support in clearing them. We explore Tamboran's various strategic partnerships, including Liberty Energy, Helmerich & Payne, and Baker Hughes, all of which are investors in the company. We also discuss INPEX's recent farm-in to the Daly Waters joint venture. Todd covers the company’s cost structure in the field and also discusses gas prices which are roughly three times U.S. levels. As we wrapped up with Todd, we touch on the growing inbound interest from multinationals to Asian gas utilities, and his view that timing, not geology, is the biggest uncertainty he cannot control. A theme throughout the discussion with Todd was his comparison of this new shale development to others he has seen in his 25-year career. Dick then takes us under the hood on the subsurface. At roughly 1.4 billion years old, the Beetaloo is the oldest petroleum system in the world, deposited when only a single life form existed, leaving 150 meters of continuous thermogenic shale from that one organism type. He describes petrophysical characteristics most comparable to the Marcellus and superior to it in many areas, and early well behavior that appears genuinely different, including one well on incline at the tail end of a 90-day test with no surface changes. He also walks us through how Tamboran found the over pressured areas, moving 60 miles south into the deepest part of the basin. We close with well spacing at Shenandoah 2, the beneficial use of gas allowance that lets Tamboran produce ahead of a formal production license, and the milestones Dick is watching, principally the first real decline curves and the testing of additional landing zones. Dick has been involved with the company since 2014 and, as a result, offers a phenomenal historical perspective. Mike Bradley opened the discussion by noting that Treasury yields moved higher across the curve this week, with the 10-year Treasury yield rising to 4.8% and the 30-year Treasury yield exceeding 5.25%. The increase in yields was driven primarily by Federal Reserve Chairman Kevin Warsh's more hawkish tone at last week's Jackson Hole Economic Symposium, which prompted investors to scale back expectations for future interest rate cuts. Turning to the broader equity market, he highlighted that the S&P 500 declined ~1% this week, pressured by higher oil prices and rising bond yields. With second-quarter earnings season largely in the rearview mirror, investor attention is increasingly shifting toward the September 16 FOMC meeting and the upcoming U.S. midterm elections. Turning to oil markets, WTI crude oil prices increased ~$6/bbl (to ~$90/bbl) this week amid renewed conflict between the U.S. and Iran. Mike noted that the biggest development in the oil market this week was the announcement of a 65-billion-barrel oil agreement between the U.S. and Venezuela. Turning to natural gas, European prices continued to move higher this week, reaching ~$25/MMBtu (up over 165% year-to-date). The primary driver remains concern over whether European storage inventories can be replenished to "minimum" required levels before the start of the winter heating season in November. The energy sector advanced ~3% this week, supported primarily by stronger crude oil prices. Mike noted that M&A and strategic deals were a major theme across the energy and electricity complex, with four significant deals/transactions announced this week: SLB's acquisition of Kelvion for ~$4.0 billion; ONEOK's acquisition of Brazos Midstream for ~$4.4 billion; Comstock Resources' $1.65 billion cash transaction with SOCAR; and Fervo Energy's 396-megawatt power purchase agreement (PPA) with Google. Mark Castiglione also joined the conversation, and with the help of Albert De La Portilla, he will be spending roughly a week in the Beetaloo basin understanding all the aspects of the play. The Tamboran team could not have been better hosts, and we sincerely appreciate this opportunity.

    1h 30min
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  4. Number 4: "We’re at the Beginning of a New Industrial Age" – Erin Price-Wright, Andreessen Horowitz

    Today we had the pleasure of hosting Erin Price-Wright, General Partner in American Dynamism at Andreessen Horowitz (a16z). Erin joined a16z from Index Ventures in 2024, where she was a Partner focused on software infrastructure and applied AI. She previously served as Head of Product for Palantir’s data analytics and machine learning program. The American Dynamism practice invests in founders and companies that support the national interest spanning aerospace, defense, public safety, education, housing, supply chain, industrials, and manufacturing. We were thrilled to hear Erin’s perspective on the rapidly evolving intersection of AI, energy, and industrial technology. In our conversation, Erin shares the story behind a16z’s American Dynamism practice and its early investments in companies including SpaceX, Anduril, Applied Intuition, Shield AI, and Skydio. She discusses how the firm’s conviction in the space developed well before the recent surge of interest in industrial technology. We explore the convergence of AI, supply chain vulnerabilities, geopolitical pressures, reindustrialization, and skilled labor shortages, which Erin believes are creating the conditions for the “next great American industrial build-out.” We discuss physical AI and robotics, the potential to automate dangerous, expensive, and labor-intensive activities across energy and industrial operations, the challenges of deploying physical AI, and the importance of taking a practical approach to automation by starting with specific activities where the economics make sense and expanding from there. We touch on why venture capital is returning to energy and industrial technology, China’s advantage in deployment versus the U.S.’s strength in experimentation and entrepreneurship, and the importance of permitting and regulatory certainty. We also examine data centers and the broader question of whether America wants to build, Erin’s thoughts for energy and industrial leaders looking to accelerate innovation within their organizations, and much more. Special thanks to Erin for joining! We look forward to partnering with a16z on our upcoming Energy & Industrial Technology Showcase in Houston on September 10. Mike Bradley kicked off the discussion by noting that the 10-year U.S. Treasury yield was trading at ~4.65%, down ~10bps on the week but still near its highest level of the year. Bond investors are focused on the ongoing Canada tariff dispute, Wednesday’s Core PCE inflation report, and Chairman Warsh’s Jackson Hole speech on Friday. Major equity indices finished lower last week but are modestly higher this week, with attention now centered on NVIDIA’s second-quarter earnings report Wednesday and its 6- to 12-month capital spending outlook. Turning to energy markets, Mike highlighted that WTI crude oil had declined ~$5/bbl this week to ~$82/bbl following the Treasury Secretary’s announcement of “Operation Economic Outcast,” aimed at increasing economic pressure on Iran. EU natural gas prices rose another ~$1/MMBtu to ~$23/MMBtu, with storage levels remaining a concern ahead of winter. The energy sector was modestly lower this week but remains up ~5% month-to-date, led by refiners (+~12%). In power, electric utilities are down ~5% month-to-date, while IPPs, large-scale generators, and distributed generation providers are down ~10%–15% on average, largely reflecting higher interest rates and growing state-level opposition to data center development.

    1h 2min
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  5. Number 5: "We Are Morally Obligated To Lean Into This" – Mike Fey, Island.io

    Today we are thrilled to welcome Mike Fey, Co-Founder and CEO of Island.io, for a robust discussion on AI, technology, and the future of work. Mike is a seasoned technology executive and entrepreneur with deep experience in enterprise software and cybersecurity. Founded in 2020, Island is reimagining the enterprise browser as a platform that brings together access, security, and productivity, enabling employees to move faster while giving organizations the governance and control required at enterprise scale. We were pleased to hear Mike’s perspective on this rapidly evolving landscape. In our conversation, Mike first shares Island’s origin and founding premise: to improve the knowledge worker’s experience while building security into the platform rather than adding it as an afterthought. We explore Island’s philosophy of enabling employees to move quickly and innovate within an enterprise framework of security and governance, extending controls designed for human knowledge workers to “agentic knowledge workers,” and using the browser as an enterprise platform to replace legacy IT infrastructure and potentially consolidate portions of the security stack. Mike shares his perspective on why expectations for near-term enterprise AI ROI are often unrealistic and why successful adoption requires more than simply giving employees access to AI. We discuss the importance of creating a secure environment in which employees can experiment, build, share, and deploy AI while choosing the right AI model for the job and finding the right mix of sovereign, enterprise-controlled, and cloud-based AI. We examine how the valuable asset in AI may increasingly be the proprietary context, data, and workflows feeding models rather than simply the resulting work product. Mike explains how Island can give enterprises visibility into where data originated, who or what accessed it, why an action occurred, and how those capabilities become increasingly important as agents begin interacting with other agents. We explore Island’s “tactically strategic” approach to enterprise adoption, starting with practical, self-funding opportunities to simplify the technology stack and reduce costs while building the foundation for broader AI adoption. Mike discusses M&A as one example, where establishing a secure shared environment can allow companies to begin realizing value from an acquisition before completing the full IT integration. We discuss what boards should be asking about AI, how AI adoption is currently increasing worker capability rather than simply eliminating jobs, and the challenge of scaling AI across large organizations. Mike describes adoption as a “crawl, walk, run” process and argues that most companies remain in the crawl stage. He explains why companies shouldn’t wait to establish AI capabilities and shares examples of organizations using AI not simply to improve existing processes but to transform their business models. We end the session with Mike’s compelling view that AI adoption is a leadership obligation: companies should prepare their employees to remain capable and competitive in an AI-shaped economy rather than allow their skills to become outdated. It was a riveting discussion and we greatly appreciate Mike’s passion for the industry and his enthusiasm for the possibilities. Mike Bradley kicked off the discussion with observations on the fixed income market, noting that the 10-year U.S. Treasury yield was trading at ~4.7% ahead of Wednesday’s CPI and Thursday’s PPI reports, which could help shape expectations for the Fed’s next interest rate decision. In equities, the DJIA and S&P 500 were each down approximately 30 basis points. With second quarter earnings season largely complete, Mike highlighted Intel’s $20 billion equity offering to fund capital expenditures, which was reportedly oversubscribed by more than five times. Turning to energy, WTI crude oil had risen approximately $5/bbl this week to roughly $83/bbl, reflecting growing skepticism that shipping through the Strait of Hormuz will fully normalize in the near term. Mike noted that Iran-related policy has been a key driver of oil price volatility over the past two months. The energy sector had gained approximately 5% this week alongside higher crude prices. With second quarter energy earnings essentially complete, Mike wrapped by reviewing key themes across oilfield services, E&Ps, integrated oil majors, refiners, midstream, and power and electric utilities. Robby Kester and Veriten Senior Advisor Deborah Byers also joined and added their valuable technology perspectives and questions throughout the conversation.

    1h 1min
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