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Hi, I am here with Sonia Lewis. She holds a dual BA degree in History and Psychology. Sonia went on to further her education by earning a Secondary Teaching Credential and a Master’s degree in Education from San Francisco State University. Sonia spent more than 20 years in the traditional classroom teaching Social Studies and managing a small magnet program that focused on Criminal Justice.

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Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow

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Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

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Hi, I am here with Rober Riopel. He is a world-class trainer, author and founder of AMENTORA INC. Robert’s mission is to ASSIST INDIVIDUALS IN INDENTIFYING AND LIVING THEIR PURPOSE WITH PASSION.

With his high energy and heartfelt style, Robert Riopel has been blessed to travel around the world helping over 200,000 people find their passions and financial freedom. He has shared the stage with the Dahli Lama & Sir Richard Branson, and trained notables such as David Woods, Doug Nelson, Colin Sprake, Robert Yates and thousands of other trainers.

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https://www.Achievehealthusa.com

Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow

With his high energy and heartfelt style, Robert Riopel has been blessed to travel around the world helping over 200,000 people find their passions and financial freedom. He has shared the stage with the Dahli Lama & Sir Richard Branson, and trained notables such as David Woods, Doug Nelson, Colin Sprake, Robert Yates and thousands of other trainers.

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and today I have with me a good dear friend Robert Riopel, I am not using an intro speech or anything today because I have a very deep personal connection to this man. He was the first trainer at MMI Millionaire Mind Institute, or a million Millionaire Mind intensive through peak potentials that I went to a training that he did, it was his very first time being a solo trainer. And we had 1000s of people in the audience and this man killed it. He went on to train, I think it's over a half a million people in business and life skills. This guy is incredible. And now he's doing this new project that I'm excited to talk to him about, but mostly, he's just a fantastic person for ideas. I mean, he's owned Domino's franchise, he's been you've married his high school sweetheart, I mean, that guy who's just that these days and stays married to them. He might have a secret or two. I don't know. Let's talk to him. Robert. share a little bit. Give me a give me a Give me your intro.

Robert Riopel 1:30  

Well, you know, I just happy to be here. Because, as you know, I love to have fun. I believe there's way too many serious people on this planet. And life's too short not to have fun. And it's interesting that you brought up my high school sweetheart, because actually yesterday, on the time of recording this, yesterday was our 32nd wedding anniversary. And so yeah, I met when we were 13 started dating when we were 16 got married when we were 19 Oh, I just started getting my age away. So I just, you know, I've been blessed, you know, international bestselling author, App Designer, and entrepreneur, and I'm a trainer that's traveled the world, you'll be for COVID, I was on average, traveling 200,000 miles a year, around the world doing training. And it's my passion is what I absolutely love to do. Because a couple things happen. One, when a student comes up to you and says, Hey, do you remember when you said this? Here's how it changed my life. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about what you were telling me about. That's one of the greatest feelings in the world, is when you see that you're making an impact. Because then you realize that maybe I've taught over half a million people personally. But now how exponentially did that grow by the people that they went back into their lives and impacted, and they then impacted and they impacted? That's what gets me really jazzed and excited. So, you know, for me, I'm a guy who does what I love, and enjoys life, and you help so many people again?

Ari Gronich 3:03  

Absolutely. I remember my dad sitting in a room was standing in a telephone booth with a bag full of quarters, and a telephone book, telemarketing in the middle of orange groves in California, like in the middle of nowhere, orange groves. And I remember this I you know, for him, it was one of his worst moments. For me, it was one of my best, because I saw the links to which my father loved.

Robert Riopel 3:37  

Hmm, yeah,

Ari Gronich 3:38  

that's how I took it was he didn't show you know, he was very busy. He always trying to survive. So while he showed love, he was very busy. He was an absent and yet he, that act of doing that made me know that what he was doing was worth it. Like he was doing it for us. And even though I felt that abandonment as a kid, I also saw why. And it was that was really powerful. So I liked that. You got that from your dad.

Robert Riopel 4:20  

Yeah. And that's the thing is it's, you know, my parents went through health issues. And the other one would always step up when the other one was in the hospital, and, you know, work the two jobs and take care of the kids or what have you. And so I learned a lot of amazing things from my family. And it just, it's so it's made me who I am today, and I will always look at that and go, I'm grateful that you know, talk about the gratitude. I'm grateful.

Ari Gronich 4:45  

You know, it's weird because I was talking to my son recently. He's seven. And I was telling teaching him a little bit about focus and how important being able to focus is And it's interesting because what you said about being present is what I said to him about focus. So he was at dinner, and he was jumping up every bite, he had to go somewhere, do something and get distracted by some somewhere in something. Right? And what I told him is, have you ever tried to be really present with your food? really present with the flavors and the experience of it on your tongue? The smell as it's going down, you know, the feeling in the back of your throat as you swallow the chewing? Like, have you ever been really present with that? And it was interesting, because that's a very similar thing to what you're saying. But being present with people being present with anything is so difficult and requires a lot of focus. So do you have any like, trips or tics? Like, how does somebody be present with somebody else without the background noise in their head? That's a good concept to say to somebody. But like practicality, let's get down to the practically How do they do that?

Robert Riopel 6:12  

Yeah, well, you know, first of all, it takes practice. Don't think that Oh, I know. Arn Roberts has told me that this is a great thing to do. So I just learned it. I should be good at I should be a probiotic. Because that's how we sabotage ourselves. Right? One of my favorite quotes, probably the hardest book. My favorite quote of all, every master was once a disaster, which means you're going to be a disaster. You're going to go through a disaster stage, you got to practice. And that's what most people see. Forget or choose not to do. I was

Ari Gronich 6:45  

I was doing a hypnosis course. And it was a past life regression. Course. And the instructor was channeling a being or an entity named I think, Miss Dr. Peabody or something like that. I was some weird name, that I was like, Oh, God, it wasn't Cleopatra. But it always is, you know, I'm Cleopatra in the formula. How many cleopatras have you met? anyway? So Mr. Peabody said, if you want to be enlightened, yeah, gotta lighten up. I went, Oh, my God. Do I have a lot of practicing to do? Because I'm, you know, I grew up, I'm a pretty serious person most of the time. And, and I got serious work to do to create a new tomorrow. And, you know, it's like, and now I read dude, three. So yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, people have forgotten that living is about living. And that living, breathing and reading in life, you know. So, stopping that joy of life,

Robert Riopel 8:04  

they said about your son. What you said about your son is where he's, he's modeling you. So when you talk to him about your being present, use that as a reminder for yourself to be present in that moment. Because every moment you're impacting people around you, whether you know it or not. And most people you're impacting them with not with what you're saying, but how you're acting, what you're doing, your way of being. And so if someone said, Well, how do I create a better tomorrow? A new tomorrow? Well just start with you. And then allow that example. Is it going to impact a ton of people? Maybe not? Is it going to help even one person? Maybe not, but it will help you?

Ari Gronich 8:47  

I've been I've been trying to rewrite the golden rule, because I disagree completely with it. Because we don't want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves. Now, we want we want us to we want people to treat us the way we treat other people. The Golden Rule is has gotten a little shifty for me. But yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely the self talk, that is, in most people's heads is so toxic. And and I like that you're you're saying that because one of the things that I do with with trauma work a lot is mirrors. You know, it's, it's not about affirmations. affirmations to me are like akin to motivation, which is almost nothing, right doesn't doesn't provide what it's supposed to do for very long. But staring in the mirror for 300 hours, crying, screaming, wailing until you find the pieces of you that you love until you strip the masks of inauthenticity from yourself the masks of trauma. I tell people, everything that you think about yourself is literally just a mask of trauma and you put on Other people have put on you. And our goal is to strip those masks off of trauma so that we can be authentic.

Robert Riopel 10:08  

Yep. Absolutely. And look, you know, that's, that's what I would do the mirror work. I started off with hair. By time I removed everything my hair was gone. good reason that I had to go there, if someone just listening to this, because, you know, there may be people just doing the audio. They had to know I'm aerodynamic. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm I'm not short. I've been told I'm just more grounded. So I like that as well. It's closer to the earth.

Ari Gronich 10:37  

Yes. Yes. Just close to the earth. Mr. Where's the earring, Mr. plane? That's all I want.

Robert Riopel 10:48  

Yeah, well, it could be this year, but that's in my ear. It just flipped up and goes it is multipurpose today, because Mr. Clean in the airing is. So yesterday, you're talking about age. Come on. Now. Now it has to have multi purpose.

Ari Gronich 11:02  

I believe the law of action traction. You know, we you we've had discussions, but the law of attraction to me is the movie, The Secret all that stuff. It's a great beginning, it didn't finish. And it's it left people wanting, which is where, you know, I take offense to it. But I do like is the science of getting rich, the book The Science of Getting Rich, which is where all that lol a comes from? Originally back in 1908 or something like that. And I like that little more Matter of fact, but it's all the same. You're right. The actions missing.

Robert Riopel 11:42  

That's what people they think all just think, no, they got to take action, which is absolutely true. I'm going to suggest you check out the movie, beyond the secret is a follow up that just came out about a year and a half ago. And it brings back a lot of the secret guests where they were able to go in deeper and like yeah, the secret and covered it. But let's go beyond the secret. And you know, dive in deeper. So you might want to check that out. But what he noticed is he said, if you realize it, this social dilemma, actually just unveiled the truth of the greatest law of attraction working in our favor. Because people look at any social media you're doing for attacking everything you do. And you're looking at your feed go, why am I getting all this? Because that's what you've been focusing on. So if you don't like what's popping up, then change your focus.

Ari Gronich 12:32  

I always do tips and tricks. We've done a lot of them. But give me three based on what we've talked about so far. Just three really crystal clear that somebody can do tomorrow action steps that they can do tomorrow today to change their lives to create a new tomorrow and activate their vision for a better world.

Robert Riopel 12:49  

Yeah, number one, become more present. Remember to take that deep breath, check in with yourself. How am I doing now? on that? Number two, take one more step in the direction you want to go. And three, bu awesome.

Ari Gronich 13:08  

We're gonna do this again. Hopefully, Canada will be open. And we'll do this live somewhere where we could actually like, get in it, you know, but it'd be awesome. That would be awesome. But thank you so much. Where can people get ahold of you if they'd like to connect with you and learn more about how they can work?

Robert Riopel 13:29  

Yeah, my Facebook fan pages the easiest way. And so on Facebook, just put my name in Robert Riopel, you'll see my fanpage I can't take any more. Friends. Unfortunately, they got me back. So a lot on my fan page. If you follow it, you'll get tapped into a lot of my work. I am on LinkedIn and Instagram. I'm told now. So yeah, we're my VA for getting that up. But also as a gift, I would love for your listeners to get a copy of my book success love to clue as the ebook version as my gift to them for having me on your show.

Ari Gronich 14:02  

That would be awesome. And we will make sure to get all your links and stuff like that so that it's going to be on the bottom of every every posting for this and and we'll get you all that. So thank you so much. I'm sure that the audience will love that because anything that we could do to make a new, create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world is what this shows about. So really appreciate you being here. Thank you so much. This has been another episode, crazy episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your hostAri Gronich. Thank you so much for being here and have a amazing weekend.

Hi, I am here with Rober Riopel. He is a world-class trainer, author and founder of AMENTORA INC. Robert’s mission is to ASSIST INDIVIDUALS IN INDENTIFYING AND LIVING THEIR PURPOSE WITH PASSION.

With his high energy and heartfelt style, Robert Riopel has been blessed to travel around the world helping over 200,000 people find their passions and financial freedom. He has shared the stage with the Dahli Lama & Sir Richard Branson, and trained notables such as David Woods, Doug Nelson, Colin Sprake, Robert Yates and thousands of other trainers.

CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY ROBERT RIOPEL FOR MORE INFO:

https://successleftaclue.com/

CHECK THIS AMAZING BOOK BY ROBERT RIOPEL OR MORE INFO:

https://slac.rocks/book

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CHECK THIS LINK FOR A FREE GIFT FOR YOU!

https://www.createanewtomorrow.com/gift

DO YOU WANT TO BE OUR NEXT SPECIAL GUEST?

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https://booking.builderall.com/calend...

CHECK THIS OTHER WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION!

https://www.CreateAnewtomorrow.com

https://www.Achievehealthusa.com

Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

#Podcast #health #Education #CreateANewTomorrow

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and today I have with me a good dear friend Robert Riopel, I am not using an intro speech or anything today because I have a very deep personal connection to this man. He was the first trainer at MMI Millionaire Mind Institute, or a million millionaire, mind intensive, through peak potentials that I went to a training that he did, it was his very first time being a solo trainer. And we had 1000s of people in the audience and this man killed it. He went on to train, I think it's over a half a million people in business and life skills. This guy is incredible. And now he's doing this new project that I'm excited to talk to him about, but mostly, he's just a fantastic person. For ideas. I mean, he's owned Domino's franchise, he's been married his high school sweetheart, I mean, that guy that whose does that these days and stays married to them? He might have a secret or chill. I don't know. Let's talk to him. Robert. share a little bit, give me a give me a Give me your intro.

Robert Riopel 1:39  

Well, you know, I just have to be here. Because, as you know, I love to have fun. I believe there's way too many serious people on this planet. And life's too short not to have fun. And it's interesting that you brought up my high school sweetheart, because actually yesterday, on the time of recording this, yesterday was our 32nd wedding anniversary. And so yeah, I met when we're 13 started dating when we're 16 got married when we're 19 Oh, I just started giving my age away. So I just, you know, I've been blessed, you know, international best selling author, App Designer, and entrepreneur, and I'm a trainer that's traveled the world, you'll be for COVID, I was on average traveling 200,000 miles a year around the world during training. And it's my passion is what I absolutely love to do. Because a couple things happen. One, when a student comes up to me and says, Hey, do you remember when you said this? Here's how it changed my life. Yeah, we're not gonna talk about what you were telling me about. That's one of the greatest feelings in the world, is when you see that you're making an impact. Because then you realize that maybe I've taught over half a million people personally. But now how exponentially did that grow by the people that they went back into their lives and impacted, and they then impact it, and they impact it? That's what gets me really jazzed and excited. So, you know, for me, I'm a guy who does what I love, and enjoys life and you know, helps as many people as I can.

Ari Gronich 3:12  

Absolutely. So I'm going to tell it tell a story that you don't remember. And it's an impactful story for my life. So I just want to I want to I want to share it with the audience because I think it goes along with the idea of creating a new tomorrow. A lot of people know my background and know my history that listen to the show, really briefly from rape and molestation growing up bullying being told I was sick and would never get better having to be injected into puberty. I mean, I grew up in a way that was pretty Rocky, let's just easily put it that way. I've had 20 friends who have committed suicide. And, and the first attempt I had at suicide was at nine years old. And when I was at the MMI, your very first one, you pulled me up on stage to speak to the audience. And I had been speaking with EMI and Mark Victor Hansen, Robert Allen with the enlightened millionaire millionaire Institute. I had been doing money in you and I had been doing all kinds of things. I've been in the industry a while. And I had recently worked on somebody. This was over 20 years ago, I think or not 20 but it was close. It was what was the first one for 2004. So close. Yeah, it's close to two. So I had just gotten back from the Paralympics. Working on some of the most amazing athletes gold medals under my hands left and right. World's records broken not just Paralympic records, but world records. And I was I was feeling really blessed. At this moment, I get up on stage. And you asked me, I think it was what my best memory of my business was or something like that. And I spoke about the Olympics. And then I spoke about this guy that I worked on, who was paralyzed for 30 years. And I was called in to basically help him being more comfortable. He his body, you know, is the movement of his body. But he had been quadriplegic for the first 10 years, and paraplegic for the last 20, he took a hit of LSD in the 60s thought he could fly, jumped off a balcony and crushed his spine. So he had been very wealthy family had been to like the best of the best in the world. And when I started touching him, and I was thinking about it in my head, like, how, how can I help him the best, I was thinking if he went from quadriplegic, paraplegic, after 10 years, he could go from paraplegic to walking. I just was something I was young, and dumb. And I knew this. And this is actually a story that I tell a little bit on my trailer actually for the show. So I get up on stage, and I'm telling the story of how, in three months of working with this man, I had him walking. Wow. I said he could feel my fingers on his toes. He could move his hips forward on his own mental accord. He had arm crutches, but he could move. I mean, he had been crawling for 20 years. And I said something along the lines of even though I've had all of these amazing accomplishments, because of my past, I still feel like I'm worthless. And 2500 people, I think at that event, something around there 1500 to 2500, don't remember, it was big. And it was vulnerable. And you pulled me aside after the event was over. And you told me how valuable I was to you and to the event at large. And how much of worth, I had delivered in that five minutes of talking. And the fact that you were able to come and show me in a physical way how much I met you and how much that I was valuable, was a big turning point. In the way that I started to see myself it was still a journey. And obviously with life directions, we did a lot of things together. But

it was the beginning of a journey that was really powerful. And I've never told you that I wanted to take this opportunity to share it with you so that the audience gets how much of an impact you've had. And that's me, you've done this with half a million almost people were you've literally taken the time to go individually to some of them, and tell them how much they meant to you. And so that's how I want to start because this is all about creating a new tomorrow, activating our vision for a better world. you embody the authenticity, and the drive of that. And so I wanted to tell you that and then get your feedback, too. Because it meant so much and I've never told you that.

Robert Riopel 8:53  

Wow, dude, I'm also gonna face right now, if I had hair on the top of my head to be standing up for every other hair on my body is I'm lit. And I appreciate you sharing that with me. Because if and this is what people don't understand, is when they live their authentic life, and they follow their passion. They have the courage. You know, it's something in the new kind of trains I've been doing. I've talked about instead of having the courage to live life, it's authentically having the courage to allow life to live you. And that's a whole different paradigm shift. And so when I hear things like that, I don't have expectations. I don't have, am I going to help people? How will I help people? You know, I hope they get this out of this. I just I got to be me. Because if I try to implement what I think should happen, I take away half the magic or more. And so to hear that absolute magic what you just share with me thank you that wow, I don't even mean I don't even know where to go from here. Now.

Ari Gronich 10:02  

Well, you know that the idea is that we're creating this world, we're living in a place that feels to many people. So disconnected. So like, everything, you know that George Carlin said, we make things like computers to connect the world, and then it divides us so much. And so, as we're creating an tomorrow as we're living that authentic life, as we're activating those visions for a better world, you're one of the people who has actively done that, your entire life. And so, how that's how where we go with it is what caused you to be that kind of a man? Right? What was the thing that triggers? And then, you know, obviously, through this show, we're gonna talk a lot about tips and tricks and things that people can do. But really, I want that I want to have a deeper conversation with you today.

Robert Riopel 11:03  

And look, let's, let's go there. Because that's where I think a lot of value, cuz I look at, say, what's going on in the world today. And one of the worst things I think they could have done was call it social distancing. Physical distancing, yes, stay safe. But now more than ever, people need to be social. And so a couple things I've implemented over this past year, is something as simple as when I do my gratitude journal in the morning. I don't, you know, it started off as a success journal. I write down five successes for the day. And then it started to morph into what, what successes I had, but what am i grateful for? What And who am I grateful for. And then when I write down names, cuz obviously a name would pop my head just because of, there's something I remembered about them. And in that moment, I was like, I'm grateful for this person in my life. And over this past year, it's morphed into, instead of just writing their name, what about sending them a message? And if I can send them a voice message, but the key is being with I do it with no expectation? No. Hey, arias is Robert here. I just won't let you know. I'm grateful for you in my life. Can I get back to me? No, if you're loving, because you know how that feels, if it was like that. So I sent it with no expectation of whether ever they hear it, get it, send something back or not. And I do it because it'll say something like, you know, I just want to let you know, in my gratitude journal, I thought of you today because of bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, thank you for being in my life, I hope you're doing amazing. And you and your family are safe. And I ended up that now some people get back and, and we've had some great connections and others don't and, and it's just an or some people just give me a heart or, and everything's perfect. So things like that. Cuz you're right with technology. How easy today is to stay more connected. But why don't we? Why is it that people sit around a table and everybody is in eating but they're all disconnected? Because yes, exactly. their fingers in their thumbs are going on their phone. And it's like, or, and some of them will text across the table to each other. That's how they communicate. It's like, Really? I

Ari Gronich 13:12  

find it hilarious in my house, where somebody will text the person upstairs. Hey, it's dinnertime, instead of just calling Hey, it's

Robert Riopel 13:23  

right. Because that ding on the phone will get their attention, but a hauler won't, right. And so kind of the answer the question, why am I the way I am? Look, I'm the youngest of four children. And to get my share of attention, I became that people pleaser. And I was like, I gotta, I gotta get people like me. I'm very shy. And a lot of people have a hard time believing that. But I am, I'm traditionally shy, but I hide my shyness by being outgoing. And so I've done some crazy stuff in my life. And, but my direction was always look, we were born on the wrong side of the tracks. We're, we're the wrong real pals. And I don't know if I ever shared that with you, but even the spelling of my name, something I didn't really realize until a few years ago and probably thank goodness. But when we started researching my last name, real pal, which was a French name, it can be spelled ri o p e L, which is how minus or ri o p e l l, e, m, which is another version, those are the two most common and if your name was spelt with the l l e, that meant you were born into the upper crust of the Riopel, the right side of the tracks, the fluent but if your name was spelt just ri o p L, that meant you were the trash. You couldn't afford the extra L

Ari Gronich 14:45  

and the extra E.

Robert Riopel 14:47  

Right? Because you know letters are expensive. They are letters, and it has something to do with the masculine and feminine over whatever but you know, and so I look back at my family history, and no wonder my grandparents came west, you know, no wonder they were pioneering and, and, you know, trying to change life. And so thank goodness, I didn't know that because as a child, what would I have done? Oh, I would have ingrained that so deep of why I can't be successful. And I was taught though, because my parents, everyone in my family, my dad's second oldest of 10 kids, and the only non entrepreneur in the family. All right. And so it was you, you do whatever you need to do to take care of your family. I've actually talked to my dad about this yesterday, and that we were nomads, when we're young. I never spent more than six months, maybe a year in a school, because they were always having to move to get work to feed the family, because that was number one. Whether you liked the job or not, you did what you needed to do to take care of your family. And so I learned my work ethic from them. But thank goodness, I had people into my life that said, No, there's something more. And we spoke about earlier, which is my wife, you know, one of the greatest gifts she gives me is she's not willing to let me play smaller than I am. And in fact, if it was left up to me, I have no problem admitting it. I would be comfortably miserable in a job right now. miserable, but I'd be going but this is what I'm supposed to do. So I'll all suck it up. I will do my job. I will. Because if it's stable, and it's paying me that I don't complain, no, I just do what I need to do. But she won't let me play in that state.

Ari Gronich 16:34  

Nice. Good for her.

Robert Riopel 16:37  

Yeah. Yeah. I'll give her as well, because it's got to go two ways, right.

Ari Gronich 16:44  

I remember my dad sitting in a was standing in a telephone booth, with a bag full of quarters, and a telephone book, telemarketing. In the middle of orange groves in California, like in the middle of nowhere, orange groves. And I remember this I you know, for him, it was one of his worst moments. For me, it was one of my best, because I saw the links to which my father loved. Hmm, yeah, that's how I took it was he didn't show, you know, he was very busy, he always trying to survive. So while he showed love, he was very busy. He was an absent. And yet he, that act of doing that made me know that what he was doing was worth it. Like he was doing it for us. And even though I felt that abandonment as a kid, I also saw why. And it was that was really powerful. So I liked that. You got that from your dad.

Robert Riopel 17:59  

Yeah, and that's the thing is, is, you know, my parents went through health issues. And the other one would always step up when the other one was in the hospital. And, you know, work the two jobs and take care of the kids or what have you. And so I learned a lot of amazing things from my family. And it just, it's, so it's made me who I am today. And I will always look at that and go, I'm grateful that you know, talk about the gratitude, I'm grateful. And when you talk about creating a new tomorrow, probably one of the biggest things I feel people can do is really focus more on what they are grateful for, don't focus on the lack or what's pissing them off, or why they don't have this or why they don't have that. Just focus even a little bit, just a little bit on something you're grateful for. Even taking a deep breath and going. Yep, I was able to do that. I was able to do that. I'm grateful for the fact that you and I are doing this interview. And I'm not at home because I'm able to be here supporting family that are going through some pretty major stuff right now. And because we have the freedom financially to be wherever we need to be. I'm grateful for that. You know, those those are the things I focus on and, and especially during this time with isolation. Do you reach out to people and something like instill upon my students? Three people a day, just reach out and ask simple three words? How are you? And then open your ears and Listen, don't go go. Hey, Ari, how are you? Oh, great. I'm glad you're okay. And I'm doing good. Which is what a lot of people do but actually be present in the moment. And and just be interested in how they are. And watch what that can do for people just by authentically showing some interest in them.

Ari Gronich 19:52  

You know, it's weird because I was talking to my son recently. He's seven and I was telling teaching him a little bit About focus, and how important being able to focus is. And it's interesting, because what you said about being present is what I said to him about focus. So he was at dinner, and he was jumping up every bite, he had to go somewhere, do something and get distracted by some somewhere in something. Right? And what I told him is, have you ever tried to be really present with your food? really present with the flavors and the experience of it on your tongue? The smell as it's going down, you know, the feeling in the back of your throat as you swallow the chewing? Like, have you ever been really present with that? And it was interesting, because that's a very similar thing to what you're saying. But being present with people being present with anything is so difficult and requires a lot of focus. So do you have any like, tips or tricks? Like, how does somebody be present with somebody else without the background noise in their head? It's a good concept to say to somebody, but like practicality, let's get down to the practically How do they do that?

Robert Riopel 21:19  

Yeah, well, you know, first of all, it takes practice. Don't think that Oh, I know. Aryan Roberts has told me that this is a great thing to do. So I just learned it. I should be good at I should be a probiotic. Because that's how we sabotage ourselves. Right? One of my favorite quotes, probably hardest book. My favorite quote of all, every master was once a disaster, which means you're going to be a disaster, you're going to go through a disaster stage, you've got to practice. And that's what most people they forget or choose not to do. They choose not to practice. So when it comes to that, I'm going to go back to something I learned back in 2002, that has served me all my life. I actually and because you know me, you know how tough this was, for me. I did a four day Zen retreat with a Zen master where I could not speak for four days, Roxanne was in bliss. I think there are those from Earth Day. But I couldn't speak and it was all about that what you were talking about you want to food. While you're just saying with your son. That's what made me think about is, we couldn't when we sat down for a meal, we're all facing the same direction looking at beautiful scenery. And you take your fork or knife or spoon, put a mouthful in, put it down and then intend to notice everything about that flavor, the texture, the smell, and just chewing it natural experience yourself, taking it in. And then you take a deep breath before he takes another spoonful. And I don't need that flow normally. Oh my goodness. And in the beginning, it felt like it in the beginning felt like. But by time I did it for 40 straight, it became natural. So one one tip, practice. But what really brought me to this was something that really impacted me that my teacher had said, Every night we were able to break our silence to ask questions and earn a better question. I was going around in my head going around in my head. But I was too afraid to ask it and another woman voice and she said Sherry, she goes, You know what? We're here. And we're meditating. In this space. It's easy. We know it's uncomfortable, not but it's easy. Because we're in the space. How do I do this? When I go home? Or I'm a mom, I'm busy. I got kids screaming, I don't have time to sit down for 20 minutes and go, okay. What do I do? And Sherry's answer to me was so profound, she said, she goes, look, meditating means being present. So the fact is, anything that you're doing, where you're actually present in that moment, you're meditating. And awesome. I went, Wow. So when I'm on the stage, if I'm present with my audience, I'm meditating. When I'm talking to an audience member, one on one if they're sharing, people go to me all the time, Robert, how's it you draw out of people and can see what's going on in their life? It's because I'm not a pure in my head. I am just connected with them. I'm present. So I'm actually meditating. So they think that I'm helping them which I am. But it's also helping me right now. You and I are having this conversation. I'm aware of everything that's going on around me. But I'm here in this moment with you right now. So I'm practicing my meditation. And so if you want to know how a practical skill to create it, Start, take 10 seconds. And truly taking that deep breath and be present in the moment of what you're doing. And then cried again a little bit later, and then do it again. And then every time you go home present practice, okay? Okay? Start with taking a deep breath because you can only breathe no present. And just bring yourself to where you are, and then notice where you are. Are you in your head? Or are you actually truly here? I just

Ari Gronich 25:30  

I just tried to breathe in the future and it didn't work.

Robert Riopel 25:33  

I know, right? It's easy. Now try not try doing it in the past. You and I are gonna have so much fun as we keep talking. Because that's the thing is it? You know, and another tip is don't take things so seriously. Even when might seem serious. Yeah, the humor. I was

Ari Gronich 25:55  

I was doing a hypnosis course. And it was a past life regression. Course. And the instructor was channeling a being or an entity named I think Miss Dr. Peabody or something like that. I was some weird name. That I was like, Oh, God, it wasn't Cleopatra. But it always is, you know, I'm Cleopatra in Formula. How many Cleopatra's Have you met? anyway? So Mr. Peabody? Dad, if you want to be enlightened, yeah, gotta lighten up. Yeah, I went, Oh, my God. Do I have a lot of practicing to do? Because I'm, you know, I grew up, I'm a pretty serious person most of the time. And, and I got serious work to do to create a new tomorrow. And, you know, I was like, and now I read dude, three. So yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, people have forgotten that living is about living. And that living, breathing, really reading in life. You know, it's about stopping that joy of life,

Robert Riopel 27:14  

it's about your son. What you said about your son is where he's, he's modeling you. So when you talk to him about your being present, use that as a reminder for yourself to be present in that moment. Because every moment, you're impacting people around you, whether you know it or not. And most people you're impacting them with not with what you're saying, but it's how you're acting, what you're doing, your way of being. And so if someone said, Well, how do I create a better tomorrow? A new tomorrow? Well just start with you. And then allow that example? Because is it going to impact a ton of people? Maybe not? Is it going to help even one person? Maybe not, but it will help you?

Ari Gronich 27:58  

Yeah, the whole idea of competition, right, to me is, is been inverted. Because the only competition that I think anybody should ever be in competitive competition with is yesterday's version of myself, or yesterday's version, right? So let's talk a little bit about how you can be in competition with yourself. So that you're consistently in that growth mode without overwhelm.

Robert Riopel 28:35  

I'm glad you put that last part in there. Because as soon as you put it in, phrase it in competition with yourself probably like, oh, my goodness, I gotta go and get better cuz I'm not getting better, I suck. And then that gets becomes a reason to beat themselves up. And oh, my God, if I sucked, and why am I even trying to give off? Now it luggages without getting that overwhelm. And that's where the practice of being present really comes in. And ask yourself, did I take one more step? And then celebrate it? You know, in my first book success, let the clue. Step number four is celebrate your successes. You know, if I had to count on my fingers, thank goodness, there's not like 25 steps, or I'd never get through because I only have 10 fingers 10 toes, right? So I tell people celebrate your successes, because then that what you're focusing on puts you more towards that. So reason I determine and notice most people get overwhelmed. is they set a goal, okay? Are you just told me to only compete with myself. So that means I'm going to do this and this and this and this and this, and I got to get better at it. I got to be really good. And they're now 1000 steps ahead of themselves, trying to figure it out, trying to figure out how they're going to do it. But is it good enough? What if I misinterpreted it? Do Am I doing it the right way? is all what he really meant. Any of this sounding familiar? And so you definitely take a deep breath and you say, Okay, how am I doing right now? I'm doing good. Excellent. Okay, let's take one more step. And then check in with yourself. How am I doing? And in the, in the beginning, it'll probably drive you frickin insane. Because it'll feel like you're not moving anywhere. But if you stay consistent, persistent and consistent, how do you develop any habits? You have to do it over and over? what I used to do my podcast, one of the things, one of my episodes I was talking about was how, how does the singer a singer, get their song to become number one? on the radio or on your media? Do you think they sing it once? And then never sing it again?

Ari Gronich 30:52  

Only if they recorded it on YouTube, right? viral? Yeah, let's That's true. That's very true. I actually. Here's the thing. I'm just I'm just using the fact that you're old. And we're talking about records instead of instead of digital downloads.

Robert Riopel 31:16  

My sister in law did yesterday, when she keeps saying, I, you know, I watch my favorite show on tape. And I'm like, really? Yep. I'm old. Hey, my birthday was only two weeks ago. So come on now.

Ari Gronich 31:42  

I know. Yours was two weeks ago. Mine was last week. I think that that that this was a perfect timing for a show to highlight our elderly capabilities. Because you know, kids these days think that they are much smarter than us old fogies. So,

Robert Riopel 31:59  

yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, to finish my story, then Gemini is in other than the viral pneus of it. When a singer sings or song, to get it to number one, they have to sing it again. And again, hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds and hundreds of times. And the ones that don't make it are the ones that start getting bored easily, and trying to change your song. making little adjustments. little tweaks, right? Have you ever been at a concert, and you love a song? And often the singer sings it in a different way at the concert. You're like, I can't.

Ari Gronich 32:38  

I can't sing to that.

Robert Riopel 32:40  

Yeah, it's crazy. So it's the same thing with any habit you want to create. If someone wants to become a trainer, they go, Robert, how do I become a trainer? Practice, tenacious practice. You've got to do it over and over and over again. And so creating a new tomorrow is about saying, I choose to be what's one step I can take? See, celebrate it, and then go Okay, what's my next step now? And just be gentle with yourself? Because if you I know will be? Well, no, you This has never happened to for you. So for that I'm referring to you on this. How many of us, if we had a best friend that treated us the way we treat ourselves? They wouldn't be our friend for very long. But yet we take it from ourselves, right? Oh, yeah.

Ari Gronich 33:32  

I've been I've been trying to rewrite the golden rule because I disagree completely with it. Because we don't want people to treat us the way we treat ourselves. Now, we want we want us to we want people to treat us the way we treat other people. The Golden Rule is has gotten a little shifty for me. But yeah, I mean, you know, we definitely the self talk. That is, in most people's heads is so toxic. And and I like that you're you're saying that because one of the things that I do with with trauma work a lot is mirrors. You know, it's, it's not about affirmations. affirmations to me are like akin to motivation, which is almost nothing, right doesn't doesn't provide what it's supposed to do for very long. But staring in the mirror for 300 hours, crying, screaming, wailing until you find the pieces of you that you love until you strip the masks of inauthenticity from yourself the masks of trauma. And I tell people, everything that you think about yourself is literally just a mask of trauma that you put on or other people have put on you. And our goal is to strip those masks off of trauma so that we can be authentic.

Robert Riopel 34:53  

Yep. Absolutely. And look, you know, that's, that's when I would do the mirror work. I started off Prepare. By time I removed everything my hair was gone. I couldn't reason that I had to go there. If someone's just listening to this, because, you know, there may be people just doing the audio. They had to know I'm aerodynamic. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm I'm not short. I've been told I'm just more grounded. So I like that as well.

Ari Gronich 35:21  

It's closer to the earth. Yes. Yes. Just close to the earth. Mister where's the earring? Mr. plane? That's all I want.

Robert Riopel 35:33  

Yeah, well, it could be this year. But that's in my ear. It just flipped up and goes in is multi purpose today. Because Mr. Clean in the airing of so yesterday. You're talking about age? Come on now. Now it has to have multi purpose. Yes.

Ari Gronich 35:51  

So we're cleaning ourselves up? Where we're getting, we're getting to be present. Now. What? Right now what? So somebody is looking at their life going? Now what? And by the way, I liked the fact that you brought up some questions and what kinds of questions are not necessarily the best questions like why me? As you were, you're stating a little bit Why me? Why does this happen to me? Why, you know? What are some better questions that people could ask? And you know, and I say that because one of the ones that I ask is what's next? A lot? What's the best next thing for me? What's the next thing I should be doing? What should I do now? Right? Those are the kinds of questions that I asked myself. So what are questions that you have people asking themselves so that they get to that place? So once they're present? Now what?

Robert Riopel 36:50  

Yeah, you know, you want to hit on one of my favorites, too powerful word. What's next? Your March Pym 2020. I land in back in Canada, from doing a powerful three day training in India. March 11, I get locked out. All my live events around the world are getting trans, canceled. And I'm not gonna say I'm perfect. I'm all that. I went through victim role in the first few days. Like what's up? And I was pissed. And then my I took a deep breath, and I went, what's next? And often the answer started coming. While Robert for years, you've been saying you want to go digital, you and I talked to myself a lot. I do already. I'm gonna admit it. And talking to yourself is never a problem. If maybe when you start arguing with yourself, you know, maybe you've maybe looked at it before Gemini

Ari Gronich 37:41  

is where Gemini is we are a I'm a Gemini and a Jew. And if you know anything about Jewish people, you get 10 Jews in a room, you've got 100 opinions. Now, apply that by Gemini.

Robert Riopel 37:56  

Right? You know, some people don't know how to take it when I walk into a store that says, because of COVID sign on the door, maximum eight people in the store at a time and I say, Oh, I can't come in because all my personalities aren't allowed to come with me. Some people laugh at that they get it. And other people are just too serious. They're like, What do you mean? I'm like, if I have to explain it, nevermind. And you'll, before I answer the question, I'm going to go back to something else you said about not taking yourself so seriously. Because I like to have so much fun. And I've chosen that to be my way. I remember a person asked me one time they want Robert, I can never follow you or listen to you. Because you don't take anything seriously. And I said not a problem. I said but I will tell you, I take fun seriously. And ultimately looked at me like, Oh, I guess that makes sense. And I didn't know if it would or not. But it so what's next is one of the biggest questions, those two powerful words. But it's also another one. The other phrase is something he did say. But I'm gonna do it in in different way. Instead of going worimi? If Why me? And now turn it into a curiosity of what was the lesson in what just happened? Or what was the lesson and what you went through? Or what was the lesson? Because I am a huge firm believer and I'll tell you in the beginning I was so in the box thinker because the way I was raised anything outside of the box that was airy fairy woowoo Forget about it. Forget about it. Like even my dad today. He's 83 years old. He's about to turn 84 in a couple days, another Gemini. And you you'll sit there and you'll say Dad, what about doing this? No. Well, why not? And as soon as he says no, you're never gonna change his mind because he doesn't open his mind to anything. Right? If this is the way it is. Okay, and I've learned you don't try and change his mind it because the harder you try, the more he'll just dig in deep, right? It's just it is what it is. So, I'm a big believer that everything happens for a reason, which a lot of people have heard that statement. But a lot of people haven't heard the whole statement. They've only ever heard this. Everything happens for a reason. But the whole statement is actually everything happens for a reason. And that reason is there to serve me. And now, if you look at it from that perspective, and I'll use kind of what got me back out of retirement, I don't know if you remember. But in 2008, I was so burnt out from traveling and training so much, I had to take a hiatus, I was burnt out. And because I wasn't taking care of my body, I was giving so much I forgot to take care of me. I herniated my back. And I decided to take one year off. But that one year turned into three and a half years. And I went through two back surgeries during that time. And I had to like I say I was burnt out for about three months. My wife goes, No, you can look at a suitcase or anything for nine months. You just you know it would put you back into that phase. And so when I was in my retirement, I went from over living my passion to not living it at all. And I realized both were bad. Over living it. I wasn't taking care of myself. I was getting burnt out my body was paying the price. Not living in it all the old negative non supportive habits started coming back in because people think and this is a misconception already. They think, well, I've learned this, and it should be permanent now. And I'm going to use Oh, oh, I'm gonna explain it like this because it's Yeah, we're squirreling here. But I'll get back to your questions.

Ari Gronich 41:47  

I don't I don't mind nonlinear conversation.

Robert Riopel 41:50  

Oh, perfect. Well, you've you've seen the documentary or have you? Social dilemma. Yes. And it's really a lot of people are going oh, my God, what are they doing? They're tracking everything. They see how long they pause on a video. And now they're sending me all those up? How dare they? And they've all a lot of people what's given attraction, a lot of people have seen it in a negative way. Well, a friend of mine, who's someone you know, as well, and he took a deep dive into it. He said, let's take a look at it this in a different way. Because everything happens for a reason, that reason is there to serve me. And often, he came up with what he calls an algorithm talk. Because what he puts a twist on it, which is brilliant. He said, Well, let me ask like this, are you Do you believe in the law of attraction?

Ari Gronich 42:40  

I believe the law of action traction. You know, we you we've had discussions, but the law of attraction to me is the movie, The Secret all that stuff. It's a great beginning, it didn't finish. And it's it left people wanting, which is where, you know, I I take offense to it. But I do like is the science of getting rich, the book, The Science of Getting Rich, which is where all that la comes from, originally back in 1908, or something like that. And I like that it's a little more Matter of fact,

Robert Riopel 43:16  

but it's all the same. You're right. The actions missing, that's what people they think all just thinking, no, they've got to take action, which is absolutely true. I'm going to suggest you check out the movie, beyond the secret is a follow up. It just came out about a year and a half ago. And it brings back a lot of the secret guests where they were able to go deeper and like yeah, the secret and collaborative. But let's go beyond the secret. And you know, dive in deeper. So you might want to check that out. But what he noticed is he said, if you realize it, this social dilemma, actually just unveiled the truth of the greatest law of attraction working in our favor. Because people look at any social media you're doing. So attacking everything you do. And you're looking at your feed go, why am I getting all this? Because that's what you've been focusing on. So if you don't like what's popping up, then change your focus. If you notice that something instead of slowing down and reading it and think of how bipolar people become over COVID, right, so someone sees an article that someone has a different point of view, and they get on there and they give their point of view and this you're wrong because of this. And also now they're getting flooded with all these contradictory to their beliefs, and they're getting more upset. Well, what about just going scrolling by that you want and when you see something you like, flow, your scroll, that's my new hashtag, flow your scroll. And actually, because if they're tracking how long they're tracking how long you're looking at something, then flow your scroll to something you like, and give it a heart instead of just like and watch out instantly. Because this is a powerful thing. And I've done it, he's done it. We've done it with 1000s of students. Now you can instantly change your seen on social media by really consciously choosing what you want to look at. And people go, that's awesome. But here's what they don't realize. That's the easy part. The hard part is the maintenance of it. Right? And that's where I've now started to really change my focus on things is because yeah, when I do breakthroughs with people, they get that instant change. That's that motivation you were talking about. But then ultimately going into back into their environment. And they wonder why they slide back. And that's where having mentors and being part of mastermind groups, having coaches, it's the maintenance that makes the difference. And so, when I was in my hiatus, I had said, I'm taking one year off. That's the message I put out to the universe. And then also one year turned into a year and a half. And the universe started sending me universe, God, whatever you want go by 13 messages. Robert, you said you're only taking a year off. You're not training yet. And you know, what happens if you don't listen to a message that comes your way from the universe? smack? Yeah, it sends it to you again, within a harder way. And if you don't listen, get well here. It is August 10 2010. I'm now two years into my hiatus of the one year I said it's gonna take off. And I my in laws happen at the time where I lived, they lived across the street and seven doors up. And my mother in law's phone and said, Look, we're having problems with the TV. Would you mind coming up and help me out? I'm like, absolutely not a problem. I walk out is a gorgeous, one of the few gorgeous sunny days we get an Alberta across from our house with a big playground boat. 30 kids in it. I go up, I help her. Get the TV going. I'm walking back down the sidewalk. I'm about to cross the street to my driveway. When a couple comes walking with a big bowl massive dog from the pathway beside her house. And I love animals. So they said in front of my driveway, I'm on the sidewalk and I said down issue friendly. And they said No, she's not. We just rescued her. We're rehabilitating rehabilitating her right now. That's okay, not a problem. So they stayed there. I stayed where I was. We talked for a while. And then eventually I knelt down, and they fully brought her to me and let her smell my hand, petted her head, petted her neck, there was no issue. Until the moment I went to stand up. And the moment I went to stand up, she wanted it my throat. Now, thank goodness, in the standing motion, my chin naturally dropped. From standing in my throat. She got my chin, and she latched on so hard, she started trying to pull me to the ground. I'm instantly in shock. And the only thought in my head is

if she gets me to the ground, I'm dead. So I stood up in this dog now hanging off my chin, 150 pounds, trying to pull me to the ground, the guy physically had to grab her Jaws, pry them open. And now there's blood all over the place. And it's taken both him and his wife to hold her back with the leash. Because she's trying to get back at me. Now, the only part that entered my mind is there's 30 Kids behind me in that playground. And I'm holding my chin and a blood and I'm like, Look, I live right there. Just get her out of here. Get her away from these kids. They start dragging her up the street, and I start walking on my driveway, blood all over the place. I'm getting up to my front door, and I'm about to open the door. Now the only problem I had already. If I get out of the house is gonna kill me. Insane what goes through your head when you're ready. And I open the door. And I think I did. You'll call me I'm like Roxanne Well, obviously, it wasn't gone. Because she comes running, she sees a blood you'd like what happened. I'm like a dog attack me. And so she gets a towel gets it up to my gym to stop the bleeding. And now I'm safe. So my fight or flight, I'm now I'm safe. I'm okay. And I started to get lightheaded. I'm about to pass out. And my wife knows if I draw, there's no way she's getting me to that vehicle, get me to the hospital. So she looked at me and she goes into and you'll you understand this because we've done the course. She goes into warrior mode. And she looked at me She goes, don't you think just to that car. She drives me to the hospital, five hours in emergency to get seen. And the guy comes in and he's cleaning up. And they don't like to close up dog bites, because they want any bacteria to be able to flush out. So under my gold tea. There are three puncture wounds from the dog, but right here on my chin it and rip through. And so he had to actually clean it up, cut some of the skin and took nine stitches to close that up. Now look, I went into victim mode and I'm like, why did this happen to me? And when I calm down, I switched the question to Why did this happen to me and I'll finish it Curiosity was activated from that space of, you know, okay, it happened for a reason that really served me for why. And all sudden, what came to my mind is some, you know, product life directions, that universal principle, that which is not utilized is eliminated, my gift had one inch further, the dog would have got my jugular. And me and my gift would have been gone just like that. And I realized, wow, I'm not living my gift. And it could be taken that quickly. And in that moment, I made the decision, I had to train again. I didn't have to train because financially, I hadn't had to do anything for years. But I had to train because it was my gift to the world, if that makes sense. And I'm looking at the universe going, I don't need any more lessons. I got it. I got it. And within two weeks of me making that decision, me owning it. Within two weeks, I got a call asking if I'd come out of retirement. And it was an easy, yes.

Ari Gronich 51:00  

Yes, I will give me six weeks got agenda got to clear up.

Robert Riopel 51:05  

And actually, it took a year and a half, because of I was going through the rehabilitation of two back surgeries. And because one of the decisions was if I'm going to do this again, I will not put my body through that again. Right, I will take care of my body. And so and that's what I decided that instead of doing 4050, full on training here, I would do maximum 20. So that even with traveling all over the world, I get six months a year to be at home. Because I like my time off. Yeah, software, I learned more about balance.

Ari Gronich 51:33  

So I'm going to interrupt you a second. So what I'm hearing is the difference between a goal and an agreement, or a commitment. Right? So a lot of people put I'm going to speak in a year as a goal, right. But then there's, it's like, what happens on the in between? Yeah, versus an agreement, whereas I'm going to be ready to speak in a year by doing these things up till then. So that by that year, I'm on stage having spoken. That's exactly it. So it sounds like you made an agreement with yourself. You didn't keep it. So the universe said. And you said Oh shit, I got it now. I'm gonna keep greement

Robert Riopel 52:29  

Yep. And that's it. Because we're, it's so easy to give up on our agreements, we'll we'll stay true to an agreement with another person a lot longer than we will to ourselves. And so it's a matter of saying, My commitment to me is important. My commitment to my belief, and my goals and my dreams. You know, one of the things I teach people is what I call the authority master key. And I love acronyms. So I use the acronym vital. And the the L in vital stands for loyalty. And I talked about and I'll tie it into whatever group I'm talking about why to be loyal to this, this myth. But then I stop. And I say and the most important thing to be loyal to is your own dreams. Plain and simple. And I dropped the mic at that point. I do the dramatic effect every once in a while you know that? Oh,

Ari Gronich 53:23  

you've got to? I mean, I remember the tea drinking. Yep. It wasn't drinking tea. It was. I'm drinking tea. Now. Do you see me drinking tea? This is what you should be doing on your stage.

Robert Riopel 53:38  

Drinking. Yeah, and watching people be bewildered like, What is he doing? What does that all mean? Until then, when you explain it open up the light bulb and go get it right. Exactly.

Ari Gronich 53:53  

Yeah. Wow. So we've gone through questioning and questions that that matter. And one of the things I want to just clarify within your questioning, you're asking questions out of curiosity, versus asking questions out of, and I'm going to just fill in my blank, which is out of judgment out of already thinking you know the answer. So when you ask a question like Why me? You already think you know the answer. I'm bad this way. I haven't done this right. I am I you know, when I was two, I you know, my parents had to spank my butt because I wasn't listening. And when I was 10, it was this. And so I'm just and it validates an already preconceived question, right, or answer that we have. It's kind of like a police officer interrogating somebody in a in an interrogation thinking that they already know that you're guilty. So all they're trying to lead you is to the answer that they want, right? Yep. Versus Yes. And asking questions that will need to open ended solutions or answers? Right? Like what's and

Robert Riopel 55:05  

that's the that's the part I said about courageously allowing life to live, you versus you living life, right? And that's what gets you out of victim role. Because if you're asking the question from the victim space, you're going to validate that you're a victim, you're going to validate that everything bad happens to you, and that you're the one on the receiving end and isn't bullshit. And no wonder I don't do as good as I could. And no wonder my life is crap. Or you can sit there and say, okay, I've let that go. Now, what's the lesson that I can use to empower myself?

Ari Gronich 55:37  

Yeah, and and for me, like, just, for example, I'm doing a lot of trauma work right now, you would have ever gotten as empathetic and as able to handle the depths of other people's pain? Had I not experienced those depths of pain myself, and come out of them? and learned those things? So I absolutely I used to have that. Why me? Why me? victim victim victim? And I still, you know, it's we all do? A little bit, right? It's Yeah, who's across that way? The differences is that I own the victim, like, Yeah, I was a victim of that guy who did that thing. And it's not a bad thing to be the victim of something like somebody gets raped, you're the victim of rape. And it's okay to say that, and what are you going to do now? So for me, it's what's next? It's what what did I do with that I took that nobody should ever have to live in that kind of emotional turmoil in their bodies, like I did, for my entire, you know, childhood growing up. So I'm going to help people clear that up, I'm going to help, right, because the minute that, that blocked that stopping them from living, so

Robert Riopel 57:03  

and that's what allows you to connect with people I can never connect with. Because if I tried to say, Oh, I understand, and I'm coming from a place of Unknowing. And you know, I'm gonna reconnect you with Aaron, because I think he would be a phenomenal guest for your podcasts, to go down a deep rabbit hole on this, because he talks about let your pain be your path. Let your wounds be your way, let your you know what you've gone through be the resume of why you can actually help other people. And and when you understand that, okay, I went through this. Now, who can I help, maybe not have the pain I did, maybe get through it a little quicker, maybe decide not to try that suicide, maybe decide that they are important enough to be on this planet that this planet needs them. And I'm going to say like that this planet needs them. So to have that understanding, if we didn't have those experiences, you would not be connected with the people so deeply in the way you do. And that's one of the things I so appreciate about the fact that you do own, that this has been my journey. Now what and the people that and it comes back to something you and I are talking to me, they've even been off the recording. But you may even you probably don't even have any idea of the people you've actually impacted because of the people you've worked with, who have gone back into their life in a different way. And also the people in their life are going, Wow, something's different about them. So often it changes their perspective of life, which there may be changes someone else's perspective life. And so you could have four or five, six degrees of separation of people that you impacted, because of helping one person see that you know what, I create a new tomorrow, the way I want to, and if I live my life in a different light. And we don't have to know who we're helping, right. That's what makes it even better.

Ari Gronich 59:02  

Just like my story today of you that you didn't know about, right? That impacted me. I had a similar occurrence. I gave somebody a hug at a party once I was 24. It was a guy. He was a psychologist from New York. So very, not in their emotions, right, very mental kind of person. And about eight years later, he I was at a Tantra party with him and hadn't seen him in many years. And he said he pulled me aside he said I just want to tell you how you impacted me. He said you gave me a hug once at a party. And you held on like you meant it was like and that's just me. I was That was my personality. I'm a cobbler. And he said my family are are not huggers. In fact, before you did that it had been over 10 years since I had even had a hug from my brother. Wow. And when I went back to New York, after that I was I was talking to him while we were on the street. And I just felt compelled to hug him. And I hugged him and I held on. And it was the first time that we had a hug, probably ever in our lives, like fully hugged. And I'm going, Okay, he said, My entire family has now become a hugging family. Love each other, and we treat each other. Like we mean, it came from you. And I'm like, I mean, how could you have any idea of that?

Robert Riopel 1:00:53  

And how could you plan for it? How can you plan that this is the impact you're gonna have today? That part

Unknown Speaker 1:01:00  

is just I mean,

Ari Gronich 1:01:04  

we never know what the impact is. And especially my favorite thing, the butterfly effect, you know, what are the ripples ripple effect, the butterfly effect of any action that we do, whether it's a good consequence or a bad consequence, there's a ripple effect to every action. And every actor typically has polarity in the consequences in the things that happen, right? So if you if you get off off coal, for instance, right, you have a net effects of positivity for the environment, for instance, however, there's going to be an effective all these people who have their livelihoods for the last couple 100 years that they won't have. So if you know that there's a ripple effect, you can plan for it. And then you could say, Okay, so what are those ripple effects? 1020 years down the line, 100 years down the line, and all of a sudden, the plan becomes so detailed in the minutiae that you can really actually create the change, knowing that you're going to have an effect here and we're going to compensate there. We're going to have effect here. We're going to come You know, it's,

Robert Riopel 1:02:14  

it's beautiful. You have you affect change. Right infecting change.

Ari Gronich 1:02:22  

You know, you and the Coronavirus and your infections. Well, you know, I did have a good Corona last night and around the fire. So I like my Corona. Brown, right. It's the crown. jewel. Well, that's what Corona is correct. Corona is, right. So they made it the king, they put all these spike proteins to give it a crown. And then they named it after that. And they said, hey, you're the king of all pandemics? I mean, pandemics? Yeah, without my Okay, boy. Yeah. That was a slip of the tongue. A Freudian slip. But anyway. So I think people are getting that, that there's so many ways to be when you're creating a new tomorrow, but the actions of questioning with curiosity, the need to balance for overwhelm, right? There's all these different places that people go, what I find is like, most people, they walk around the house all day or the office all day, not knowing what to do next. Right? Yep. You see people in like, I just don't know what to do. And so I'm not doing anything because I don't know what to do. It's like they're paralyzed in this confusion, space. So go, but I'm so busy. I don't have time for anything. Right. But the busy is usually up here, not the external busy. It's that, like, I know this for me. I get so stuck in the head. And I get so busy in my thoughts, planning new things, thinking of new things, flushing out my ideas that I go, I am so busy. And I haven't done anything the old day. Right? But

Robert Riopel 1:04:15  

yet you're drained. Mental drain just really? And then you're like, how am I going to keep this up? Is it worth it? Because, look, I haven't even really accomplished anything and yet I'm so tired. That becomes that catch 22

Ari Gronich 1:04:30  

right. So what is, you know, the business tricks? You've been a business trainer, we're not talking a whole lot about business. What's the business trick for life? For when somebody gets to a place where the mental overwhelm the language in the head, the words the voices, the stories, the wants, the needs that I don't have all that stuff? gets crashed in somebody's mind. How How would you quiet The quiet this morning, you know, we did this thing called wizard once. And so I'm kind of bringing you into a wizardly way of of being here so that the audience can get more into that position. Well, I'm not going to tell it what, what, what the position is that you want to be in, because that would be wrong.

Robert Riopel 1:05:22  

Here's the thing for me, because everybody's so different. Everybody's unique, everybody's themselves. So it's understanding yourself, first of all, to me is the number one understanding. I know I am a world class procrastinator. And I have no problem admitting that because if I tried to deny it, it just can keep creeping up and sabotaging is gonna keep and everything will become the 11th hour. And I got I gotta get it done. I gotta get, right. And so I I'm, I'll acknowledge and I'll say, yeah, that's who I am. I No, I am. And I'm okay with that. So one of the tricks I use, is knowing I'm a world class class procrastinator, I came up with a quote that I use as a mantra. I designed my day, in such a way that procrastination cannot play. And so that means is I purposely will book a lot of my calls and meetings for first thing in the morning. Why? Because as soon as I commit to someone else, then I'm gonna get my ass out of bed and get it done. But if I don't have a call till then 1130, then it's easy to go home. There's a few folks, I did so much yesterday. I'm tired. I'm just gonna. And I'm going to reset my alarm. Now, on the other side of that, because then while Robert doesn't that just make you busier and busier, busier, because you're always up early. And, and I'm a late night person anyway, do right. So I don't get a lot of sleep. But then one of the adjustments I've recently made. Okay, when Corona happened, I got busy. But I got so busy. I can with time zones around the world for students, I've talked to all over the world. It can be 6am to 1am. I was going, going, going going getting burnt out. Because when I put my mom's home, I just I don't take care of myself. Yeah, anybody? Do you know anybody like that aren't just curious,

Ari Gronich 1:07:14  

watching a few trillion people like that?

Robert Riopel 1:07:17  

Yep. And so my wife instituted one thing. She said, here's what we're gonna do. At noon, we sit down, we have lunch, we put our phones down. And we play cards and connect. At dinner, we put our phones down, we have dinner, we watch TV, and we just relax. instituting those two simple little things often changed my whole day, where I wasn't feeling overwhelmed, wasn't feeling burnt out. Because now on my calendar, because I'm not used to living by a calendar per se. But everything gets scheduled now. So that I know if there's a meeting and by going back to something we taught in one of the programs you learn is we use a big rock system. The first thing we put on our calendars are those balance pieces. family's important. So I'm here with family right now. Now, can I still do work in that? Yes, because with technology, I can do it. So but the family is scheduled in first. And then when I now look at my schedule, I plan other things in so I can do interviews, I can do things guilt free, without beating myself up, thinking I'm taking my time away. Because I know the moment I'm done this call, I've got time back with family, I'm gonna actually drive back to my home about an hour and a half, take care of our animals, and drive back up here. And tonight, we'll be sitting around a fire talking about you know, how important our family is to us. Think of the memories and just reliving stories. And I don't cuz I don't have anything else booked for the rest of the day. That's it. And then take one more step further. As is even it was so easy to go. Come to me, I haven't had weekends in years. Because when I'm on stage and traveling around the world, my train trains are on weekends. And so you know, there's no such thing. But now being at home because I'm designing the life to be able to do more from my home. That's why we built a beautiful studio on our property. So students can come see me. But tomorrow, Saturday, the next day Sunday. I now take those days off to be with family. So that now Monday to Friday, I can put the work in, I can go out 100% no matter what hours I'm putting in. Because I'm not a feeling guilty that I'm not being with family. Be I'm not taking care of myself because I now take care of myself because I've got the big rocks in place. And those are the practical skills that allow me to have the life I want with the success without being overwhelmed. And I hope that answers the kind of the question for you.

Ari Gronich 1:09:55  

No, absolutely it was it's very thorough. I appreciate that. Because I think A lot of people these days, especially with the pivot of COVID, and trying to make itself online, I know for me, I am. I'm technophobe. At this point, when I was 18, I was a technical genius. And that lasted about as long as the Intel chip began, like, the last computer I built, I think was a 486 sX when I was building computers for people. I mean that, you know, those big suitcase looking things. So yeah, I'm old, right. And so like, one of my biggest overwhelms lately, especially with COVID, has been trying to figure out how to give a physical experience that I would normally do live

Robert Riopel 1:10:46  

in a virtual format, like, I have this thing that you and I need to talk because what I do on stage I'm doing on all my virtual trainings now. They are so interactive, that people aren't if there's no difference with making it different for us, your thinking is going to be different. Cuz you're now online. Well, that. So you're, you're creating the article right there,

Ari Gronich 1:11:08  

that and they're online, too. So here's, here's one of the things that I do when I'm on spider, I know, but here's what I'll just give you one of my one of my things. So when I'm on stage, I have half the audience, I have the entire audience stand up and scan the whole room. Right, they have to scan where everything is they make, like they take five minutes, and they learn everything that's in the room. And then half of the crowd I blindfold. And I tell them to walk across the room without bumping into anything or anybody. Right? And then I have the other half guide them. So they can feel what it's like to live on an island and do everything alone. And what it's like to do something with somebody mentoring and a partner, right? It gives a very physical, visceral feeling to the audience that says, Oh, I get that was an awesome exercise. And when everybody's an individual homes, not stay, not with a room that, you know, do that. Like Can I give you a suggestion of what I would do? Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, absolutely.

Robert Riopel 1:12:24  

We'll talk about that offline. And it's just, it's because it is this is where masterminding is important. Because you're looking at it from your perspective with what you know, and what's up here in your head. And so you're seeing things that will work, but then you're seeing well, that won't work because and this is why I'm a huge believer masterminding is because now people get to see it from different perspectives and give you feedback on it. So yeah, offline, I'll give you because I definitely have a way I would do that if it was me online to make it fully interactive. Because here's the thing is, the moment we say Things are different now, we create the difference, right? And, and so I'm learning like you, you call it technical. In all my years, I finally have a virtual assistant. For years, I've been saying no, I need one. And here's what's been beautiful about it. I actually have two now. And so one of the things I am going to be doing and getting my social media going, because I've never had to do that before I got to decide how busy or not busy I wanted to be. They'd come to me, here's the events, which ones you want. I'll take that one. And now what I had to do right for that, but now I've actually putting myself out there because I'm doing my own training my own material. So I'm on a call interviewing virtual assistant. And I'm saying, well, one things I want to do is I want to take pictures and and I want to be able to create posts so that on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, I can have them done. And I said, and I'll tell you, I've got 1000s of photos of me around the world. But I never thought I could use them. Because they always had branding behind me or whatever. And but I've been told I think I can either take my image out of the picture, or I can blank the image off. And here's what she said, she looked at me She goes, Yeah, that's easy. And I'm like, see, of course, it's easy for her, because that's her realm of experience. But how long have I been trying and struggling and coming up with the reason why it can't be done. So how many people that are struggling in their life, are self imposing a lot of us struggle on them. Instead of thing. If I get an outside perspective, a coach, a mentor, a mastermind group, someone else was gonna look at and go, Oh, yeah, that's easy. Do this. And also it's like

Ari Gronich 1:14:42  

one of the most the biggest blessings that I think I had this last year during COVID is I put I brought on three vas. So I have one person who does all of this audio video editing stuff that you know, and he does an amazing job at it. It's awesome. He preaches uses all that kind of content for all the different channels, including the blogs. So we make sure that you know that the audience can get it on any which way they like to get information. But yeah, it's been a total blessing. I'm still working on the the technology of the digital marketing side, you know, and like, all of that. But my views are amazing. And I love the fact that I'm sitting here having this amazing conversation with you. And they're working, you know, they put in 160 hours, just about 120 to 160 hours a week, while I'm getting the opportunity to have these amazing conversations and make this amazing, this bigger impact, right, right, exactly. And that's where that blindfold, like, I want them to get that that visceral experience of that of what it's like, really, to be on that island by yourself. And then for many people who have never ventured out for help, what is it like to have somebody guiding you, who has been there who sees all the obstacles in the way? Who sees the path, you know, to get you to where you're going?

Robert Riopel 1:16:16  

So let's definitely have that conversation. I'll find it, dude, I'm gonna blow your mind, I'm gonna blow your mind.

Ari Gronich 1:16:21  

Always do so sweet. And just so you know, like, I learned from john Childers I learned from a lot of my grandmother was a Toastmasters for 40 years. So my mom's a teacher, my brother's a teacher, I was on acting stages. And then I did Train the Trainer with you. And the difference between speaking, and training was brought to my attention. Mm hmm. So viscerally the difference, and now it's really difficult to listen to a speaker, which is more like a lecture or right versus a trade, it's actually training. So I appreciate it. Because I always love to learn. And by the way to the audience, good thing to like, just think of yourself is I always love to learn, I am such an open vessel for learning new information and gaining new insights. Right? You can affirm it all you want. Or you could just say, ask a question, and then listen, you know, shut up. I have trouble with the shutting the mouth thing sometimes, just like you, but I think it's cuz we related. It's because we speak so often on a stage. And then when we're not on stage, it's like silence, right? crickets when we're by ourselves, and then the next time we get on stage, it's like, we got so much to say. That's where it goes, you know, Corona has, has been amazing for me. I created this show. Right? I started getting away from my fear of cameras, because growing up in Hollywood being 300 pounds big, short Jewish guy was, it wasn't okay to be on camera. It was like, in my world, and so I had to re re work my inner cells this year around being seen. Yep. deepest part of that is, am I worthy to be seen? Right. So what is it that that you overcame? To be seen? I know you did the dominoes, and then you went on stages. And you did a lot of training, if I recall, to get to being on that stage. But what was it that you went through? doing that? And how can that help somebody who maybe it's like, their issue is getting out of their house, their issue is going to the store and being able to talk to the cashier their issue? You know, it's like, not being seen that feeling of not worthy.

Robert Riopel 1:19:05  

Yeah, and, you know, one is having a lot of people think that vulnerability is a weakness. But in reality, vulnerability is one of the biggest strengths you can have. And so being willing to ask for some assistance and, and and but it really comes down to the deep introspection, a deep dive into Who are you? Where did you come from? Where do you want to go? Because if you really set your sights on where you really want to go your vision, that's going to give you the strength to do what needs to be done, to go for it because it comes back to that action. You know, in my book, I talk about the six steps. Step number one find is to dream but dream big. Don't just dream Dream Big. Because as a kid, anything's possible. But then as we grew up, we were taught all these reasons why it wouldn't work. You weren't born in the right family, you don't have the right education, you're not whatever it is bla bla bla bla bla. So start dreaming big again. Step two, find that mentor someone to model from Unless you're a Jeff Bezos, unless you're Elan Musk, chances are whatever you want to accomplish, someone's going to be for you to find out how they did it and follow the frickin system that they use, be willing to invest in a mentor. Some of the greatest mentors are not with us anymore. So find out if they wrote a book, find out if there's a biography, by not if there was a training that they had. There's a way to passion about learning, there's a way to do it. Step three, take that action. So many people forget to take the action. And so they go to a great training, and then go home, they may buy the next thing, but they put it up on the shelf, because that shelf help, you have to take action, how good you caught that goes to show a show,

Unknown Speaker 1:20:41  

like that.

Robert Riopel 1:20:42  

And then you've got to celebrate your successes, because most people don't do that. That's why they sabotage. They just keep going, finding the reasons they didn't do good enough. They didn't you know, and that's what paralyzes out

Ari Gronich 1:20:55  

if we're so wants to come down and say hi to Robert. Okay, just wanted to let her know if she gets off that I'm on with Robert.

Robert Riopel 1:21:04  

And so yeah, so celebrate your successes in the smallest success to the largest, there's no difference in size. It's what your mind tells you. So just celebrate. And then step five, that allows you to believe in yourself more. And that's where that's what's going to help people the most. And that's why it's important to take all the steps. Because then step six is you repeat. So if you think about it, you set a dream, you find a mentor, you take action, you celebrate that success, which increases your belief in yourself, which allows you to set bigger dreams and goals, take, find greater measures take bigger actions, bigger celebrations, greater belief, and it becomes a perpetual circle. That's the key right there. And so for someone who is easily example, stuck in their house, open the door, step number one, close the door and celebrate the heck out of the fact that you've opened the door. And then the second time, open the door, and then maybe poke your toe out the door and pull it back in and close the door. Well, Robert, what if that takes a long time? Well, can it take any longer than being stuck in your home for however long you've been stuck in your mouth? For the fact that you can actually maybe take one little step at a time and celebrate it? Watch what's possible. For me this self awareness is a child I love to sing. I love to sing so much. But obviously I'm not a good thing, because I even got kicked out of a choir. And then what happened is my mom went down and being my mom, she ripped a strip off the teacher how you know, bah, bah, bah, bah. And they made them put me back into the choir that was put onto a little musical instrument, slide whistle, so my voice wouldn't be heard. So I internalize that my voice is not worth hearing. And to become a speaker, when I started speaking or training, my voice would be gone instantly. Because who am I? Why? What value do I have to give? And until I did the introspection and really understood where that was coming from, and that I do deserve to be heard. That's when the switch happened for me. And it took a lot of work. I'll never, ever say it's going to be easy. Never. But it's worth putting the work in. If it's something you truly want to go for.

Ari Gronich 1:23:15  

What becomes easier is when you have those mentors, you know when you're not alone, it's it's like, you know, trying to do it on your own. Exactly. It's like dragging an anchor up a hill versus being pushed up a hill. Yep, they go up a hill. It's crazy still. But this is different than how you go, you know, you can hover over crafted. You got four propellers with four people helping, you know, yeah, more power, faster ride. Right. So cool. So I think people don't understand though also that like, you mentioned Bezos or jobs or gates or whoever, you know, Elon Musk, none of them did any of what they do. alone. No, no thing. Not not even like a thought was on their own. Because they had to be taught what to think about as big. None of that. So that goes to my, to my saying, which is we made this shit up. We could do better. Oh, so when it comes to what we're married to, because there's a big thing, like you look online right now and everybody's so married to their opinion. Nobody has facts of anything. They have research, they have points of reference. But who is that points of reference fact? We don't know. Nobody has a lot of opinions, though. And so the question becomes, how do we get to those awareness like of what is right to reality? Yeah.

Robert Riopel 1:24:53  

Well, you know what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pause you there because that's me. I have a hard stop. Coming off, just so you know. So, to me, that's a whole, I see doing another conversation with you. Because I think you and I could talk for hours on the different things, and be of value and be of service. And that is another deep dive down a rabbit hole that. Yeah. And we could open Pandora's box on a lot of things. For sure.

Ari Gronich 1:25:23  

Yeah, I am. I'm all for those kinds of conversations. Those are my favorite. You know, I don't, I don't want to censor you or me, or anything anymore. Frankly. I'm like, I'm so over. Right? The the inauthenticity of trying to be what everybody else, you know, is looking for. And what I noticed when I first met you is how authentically you expressed other people's work. It wasn't your word. But you expressed it through some level of authenticity that I could never do. I can't do that yesterday, yes, thing with levels of authentic ness, because, to me, it's a technique and a tool. But I know the techniques and the tools. And so I go at people, this person was using that to manipulate this person was using it. So I just, I pulled back from some of those, get it a friend of mine said that I'm an NLP master. And don't ever talk, you know, say I'm not because she's like, you just did it right there to that person.

Robert Riopel 1:26:39  

But see, and that's it is actually the taking those techniques in those systems, but putting you into it. And so if you go, you know, because yeah, you can use it to manipulate people in a negative way, or the ripple effect, or in a positive, supportive way. And so then it comes to checking in with yourself moment to moment, how do I choose to use this gift I have, but also understanding that what you think may be impacting someone in positive ways, another person is going to look at the exact same thing and go, Oh, how dare they, they're manipulating them in a negative way. And so if we worry about all that, no wonder we get overwhelmed. No wonder we get burned out. No wonder we don't live our gifts. But if we sit there and take one step at a time, owning who we are, and focus with the people that see the value we give, instead of trying to change the minds of the people that don't see the value. Not that is not right, maybe it's not right for them right now. Just the greatest gift you can give the world is to show up for who you are. In all your authenticity. Good. I want you to add, that doesn't matter. Now. I

Ari Gronich 1:27:40  

want you to repeat that twice. Two more times.

Robert Riopel 1:27:44  

Oh, yeah. sharpen all your authenticity, whatever that looks like good, bad, ugly, be you. Be you. It's a greatest gift you can give. So yeah, be authentic. Be and those who love you for who you are, are going to show up. Those who don't. They know won't be around for long. And that's okay. Because if they if they can't, if they can't handle you for who you are, but they want you to be someone else. Oh my god, no wonder we struggle. Exactly buy into that stuff.

Ari Gronich 1:28:13  

This is this is this is the makeup of most origin traumas. Right? So if I'm doing trauma work, the origin traumas are almost always based on the expectations of those around you. And have absolutely nothing to do with yourself here with you.

Robert Riopel 1:28:35  

Yeah, I think so that's why I know we're gonna have another conversation but, and, dude, I would love to keep going. I would know.

Ari Gronich 1:28:45  

I can. So I always do tips and tricks. We've done a lot of them. But give me three. Based on what we've talked about so far. Just three really crystal clear that somebody can do tomorrow action steps that they can do tomorrow today, to change their lives to create a new tomorrow and activate their vision for a better world.

Robert Riopel 1:29:04  

Yeah, number one, become more present. Remember to take that deep breath. check in with yourself. How am I doing now? on number two, take one more step in the direction you want to go. And three, bu awesome.

Ari Gronich 1:29:23  

We're going to do this again. Hopefully, Canada will be open and we'll do this live somewhere where we could actually like, get in it, you know, but it'd be awesome. That would be awesome. But thank you so much. Where can people get ahold of you if they'd like to connect with you and learn more about how they could work?

Robert Riopel 1:29:44  

Yeah, my Facebook fan pages the easiest way. And so on Facebook just put my name in Robert Riopel, you'll see my fan page. I can't take any more. Friends. Unfortunately, they got me back. So a lot on my fan page. If you follow it, you'll get tapped A lot of my work, I am on LinkedIn and Instagram, I'm pulled down. So yet were my VA for getting that up. But also, as a gift, I'd love for your listeners to get a copy of my book success love to clue as the ebook version as my gift to them for having me on your show.

Ari Gronich 1:30:17  

That would be awesome. And we will make sure to get all your links and stuff like that so that it's going to be on the bottom of every every posting for this. And, and we'll get you all that. So thank you so much. I'm sure that the audience will love that because anything that we could do to make a new, create a new tomorrow, today and activate our vision for a better world is what this shows about. So really appreciate you being here. Thank you so much. This has been another episode crazy episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich, thank you so much for being here. And have a amazing weekend. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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Robert Riopel 0:00  

You know, my parents went through health issues. And the other one would always step up when the other one was in the hospital. And, you know, work the two jobs and take care of the kids or what have you. And so I learned a lot of amazing things from my family. And it just, it's so it's made me who I am today and I will always look at that and go, I'm grateful that you're talking about the gratitude. I'm grateful. And when you talk about creating a new tomorrow, probably one of the biggest things I feel people can do is really focus more on what they are grateful for.

Hi, I am here with Joshua Spodek, He is a three-time TEDx speaker, #1 bestselling author of Initiative and Leadership Step by Step, host of the award-winning This Sustainable Life podcast, and professor at NYU. He holds a PhD in astrophysics and an MBA from Columbia, where he studied under a Nobel Laureate and helped launch a satellite (having emerged from some of Philadelphia’s most dangerous neighborhoods). He left academia to found a venture to market an invention that showed animated images to subway riders between stations.

Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich and I have with me Josh spodek. Now, this is a guy I thought I had a pre interview with him, I was really excited to talk to him. He's a three time TEDx speaker, this guy has, he's a best selling author of this book initiative and leadership, step by step, the sustainable life podcast is award winning with that. Professor at NYU, you've even you know, taught leadership at West Point with the director of US Secretary of Defense, right?

Joshua Spodek 0:47  

Yes, he's since become the secretary defense. Is that because of working with me, I can't say for sure. Well,

Ari Gronich 0:52  

well, we'll get into that, we'll get into that. So tell us a little bit about your background and why leadership was such an important role. And the reason I want to preface this for the audience, the reason I'm so excited is because I am really looking at the deep dive into leadership and what makes people leaders, what makes people followers, and so on. So I'm really excited to have Josh here.

Joshua Spodek 1:16  

Well, glad to be here. And I'll start with a very brief part about beforehand. If you want to know more, let me know. Because growing up, I was pretty nerdy, pretty geeky, I got a PhD in physics, I helped build a satellite that's orbiting the Earth right now. And for a while I really thought physics, I want to be a physicist. And then I ended up leaving, after got my PhD to start my first company, and was very successful that was successful, then can the recession and it's difficult times, I got squeezed out by the investors, very painful experience. Could not by that point, I severed my ties with academia. So I couldn't really go back. I ended up going to business school. And that's where I found classes and leadership. Awesome. So we

Ari Gronich 2:01  

talked about this a little bit. And in my, in my witnessing of the world, right, I feel like Kennedy was probably, at least as a president, the last great leader of our country. And the thing that I think made him a leader is not only did he bring people along with his vision, but he gave mandates he gave direction to those visions, he said, we're going to go to the moon by the end of the decade, go do that. And then all of a sudden, people started flocking to create what he kind of mandated, we should do. So where do you think that that's lacking in the leadership? And how does your you know your vision of leadership, address those kinds of things, so that we can move forward faster versus wait for another great leader to show up?

Joshua Spodek 2:54  

Okay, so I'm gonna take the last that you said there, what can we what can we do ourselves instead of just waiting for the next great leaders show up? Is it learning social and emotional skills, performance skills, is different than learning things about factual recall things that you can take verbal tests for write papers about, you can write papers about leadership, but the actual practice of it, you have to face you have to understand yourself, you have to learn empathy, compassion, listening, as well as confidence. And these are not things you can read your way into, or write your way into. So

Ari Gronich 3:33  

just to go on in my background, right? Every time I've ever had a position of leadership, it was in a style of master apprentice, right. So I had somebody who was teaching me how to be a leader. And then as a leader, I would be teaching somebody how to be what I'm doing, right. So I always had a master apprentice kind of relationship in that way. And it was very experiential. And I just want to kind of come back to what you just said, about doing the practice of, and knowing your traumas, or knowing your history, because I've always told people that what I'm doing trauma, work with them if you want to get on a camera, but you're afraid of what people will think of you. The only way to do that is to get on that camera with people who are safe. And so if you keep rebuilding the same, or if you rebuild the somatic trauma with new somatic experiences, you'll be able to then reprogram that neuro pathway. And as you do that, you get more and more comfortable being on stage, for instance, that kind of what you're saying with regards to leadership.

Joshua Spodek 4:50  

Yeah, I mean, you said building neural pathways. It's the I would just simply say learning. It's to learn to do things. It is effective. Forming neural pathways you're learning. And you have to, you have to practice these things. I mean, if you simply read about leadership, you will learn how to read about leadership. That's different than it's like learning, reading about playing piano. It teaches you how to read how to play piano, but only fingers on the keyboard to it, that's the same thing that's going to certain neural pathways.

Ari Gronich 5:24  

Right. So tell me about about that westpoint gig. You know, you're you're working with professors who are also Captain through colonels, you know, typically, you're working with the student population who's looking to become the next leader, and officer. And I'll tell you the truth, when I when I spent four years of my life and Air Force Junior ROTC, which, you know, doesn't sound like a lot, but it was, it was an interesting experience, because my experience of the leadership was really all about ego. If somebody had joined two weeks before me and didn't know half of what I knew their word still got accepted as fact, versus what is the truth or optimization. And so, within military, I always find that there's so much what's the word overage of, of duties, like, somebody who's knows his business is being told to do his business and then has to do it twice or three times? Right. And so that leadership doesn't really translate to, to trust in the person that you have hired. Whereas in business, we're starting to learn that you've got to like, not micromanage. And so within regards to West Point, and what you're doing with the military there, how does that micromanage versus leadership, and, and breaking the ego of leadership so that it's really more of a service position versus a I am a leader? position?

Joshua Spodek 7:07  

Well, just a lot there. I don't know if I can cover all of that. And you distinguish between micromanagement and leadership, that what I heard, I would make the distinction between authority and leadership. And, and so your experience in the military is much greater than mine. And by the way, I appreciate your service. And it was, it was just Memorial Day. And it's, I have a deep appreciation for the and a greater appreciation for the freedom that I have as a result of having spent time with the military, very limited time. But my understanding is that there's a chain of command. And if you're given a direct order, you gotta follow a lawful direct order. But that's the last thing you want to rely on. You can rely on authority if you have to, and what is authority, if not, the ability to hurt someone, if they don't do what you tell them to do? Well, that's almost an invitation for them to undermine that authority if they can, because I don't want you to hurt me, if I don't do what you tell me to do. But if you can find out why I, if you can find something, a motivation inside me that you can connect with the task, then I'll want to do it for my intrinsic motivation. That's what I really work on. That's not very well taught in school. And, and yet, it's not that hard to teach.

Ari Gronich 8:24  

watching out for the manipulation. Right. So I want to just kind of break that part of, you know, we're talking about motivation can be used for good or bad, right? So once you get a hold of their motivation, right, so how does somebody tell if somebody who's leading them is gathering their motivations for the benefit or the not benefit? So motivations that could be like, well, I want you to take this poison, because it'll be good for the country, right? Or I want you to, you know, it's like, so how do I get Okay, so I know that you're really, really patriotic, right? And so you will take that poison, because you believe fully that it's good for the country. So that would be to me like a, what could possibly be an abuse of leadership versus something that would be more positive? So how do we how do we, as a listener, as an audience member who's maybe being led or wanting to lead, how do they make sure that they do it with pure motivation? Or that they're being led from somebody who has pure motivation, versus being led through fraud or, you know, that's the word. withholding of information not being completely authentic?

Joshua Spodek 9:54  

Well, this so this is pretty powerful stuff and you're working with people's deep emotions and you could easily hurt someone this way. You definitely when you do this, and it takes months to develop it, or years, some people stumble on it maybe founded as a child just to happen to get a technique like it. And Eisenhower said, you know, leadership, paraphrase here is getting him to do your thing for his reason. And so if the very similar to what I'm talking about, and you will, when someone opens up with you and shares these things, you will feel a Machiavellian feeling of like, Oh, now I can get them to do things. You will also, even from a purely Machiavellian standpoint, you will recognize, if you use that once that way, that's it, you've lost that you've made an enemy of that person, they're gonna hate you. And so even if you were purely psychopathic, you would recognize I can't speak to what it's like for somebody psychopathic, but if you're, you're gonna realize you, you got one shot at ruining the relationship, this person forever, and you're not gonna want to do it. But they're also going to

Ari Gronich 11:07  

have that set up. That's on a one to one. Let me I'm just gonna interject. So you you consult with politicians. So politicians are famous for making promises and leading people into places where they are literally where the people are literally voting against their own self interests. Right? So yes, on a one on one basis, the person may know, okay, my motivation is a little Machiavellian, I might want to turn that down so that I don't isolate this one person who I'm in relationship with. But when you're a politician, and you're ruling over 100,000 1,000,002 million, or however many, and you don't have those personal relationships, you tend to get led down a wrong line. And so as a as an audience, let's say a voter, right, who's voting for for policy, who wants to know that they're being led by somebody who is being authentic? and non Machiavellian, right? How do they recognize that?

Joshua Spodek 12:10  

Well, I want to recognize that we've completely switched domains. Learning to play piano is one thing, learning how to command an audience at Rock, not rocking at Lincoln Center say, it's a very different thing. showmanship on stage is very different. There's a lot of stage music, session musicians, who are technically proficient and you play music better than anyone, but they can't, you know, work a crowd, right? Likewise, is playing musicians who can they know to chords, but they can work crowd. And so it's very different sets of skills to lead one person one on one was what we were talking about, and leading a large group of people.

Ari Gronich 12:46  

Absolutely, thank you so much for, for coming on. You know, I am a I'm a believer that in order to create a new tomorrow, we have to challenge ourselves like a lobster in its shell, you know, got to break free from one shell before we could get to your next show. It's not comfortable, it's not easy. But if we have more conversations that explore these kinds of, you know, topics, then we'll get to a deeper truth. And that deeper truth, my hope is, will help to activate people's vision for a better world so that they can truly lead themselves and lead others. And, and we can change the world together. So I really appreciate you being on here. So thank you very much for coming.

Joshua Spodek 13:35  

Thank you for having me. I hope that I think I said things that I think me in the past would have benefited from different people may resonate or not, but I hope I hope for some people at least, that we things that we shared, help them further their path.

Ari Gronich 13:50  

Absolutely. Well, thank you so much. And this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I've been your host, Ari Gronich with Josh spodek. Thank you so much for coming on. And remember, we're activating your vision for a better world. So what are you going to do today, tomorrow and next week, to really live your perfect life.

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He holds a PhD in astrophysics and an MBA from Columbia, where he studied under a Nobel Laureate and helped launch a satellite (having emerged from some of Philadelphia’s most dangerous neighborhoods). He left academia to found a venture to market an invention that showed animated images to subway riders between stations.

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari, Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich. And I have with me Josh spodek. Now, this is a guy I taught, I had a pre interview with him, I was really excited to talk to him. He's a three time TEDx speaker, this guy has, he's a best selling author of this book initiative and leadership, step by step, the sustainable life podcast is award winning with that. Professor at NYU, you've even you know, taught leadership at West Point with the director of US Secretary of Defense, right?

Joshua Spodek 0:56  

Yes, he's since become the Secretary of Defense. Is that because of working with me? I can't say for sure. Well,

Ari Gronich 1:01  

well, we'll get into that, we'll get into that. So tell us a little bit about your background and why leadership was such an important role. And the reason I'm going to preface this for the audience, the reason I'm so excited is because I am really looking at the deep dive into leadership and what makes people leaders, what makes people followers, and so on. So I'm really excited to have Josh here.

Joshua Spodek 1:25  

Well, glad to be here. And I'll start with a very brief part about beforehand. If you want to know more, let me know. Because growing up, I was pretty nerdy, pretty geeky. I got a PhD in physics, I helped build a satellite that's orbiting the Earth right now. And for a while I really thought physics, I want to be a physicist. And then I ended up leaving, after got my PhD to start my first company, and was very successful. That was successful. Then came the recession. And it was difficult times, I got squeezed out by the investors, very painful experience. Could not by that point, I severed my ties with academia. So I couldn't really go back. I ended up going to business school. And that's where I found classes in leadership that I did not know existed. I thought, Martin Luther King was born that way. Mandela was born that way. Eisenhower was born that way, I couldn't really change who I was. And I learned that On the contrary, you can change, you can develop social emotional skills. Although I'll clarify that in school, I learned that you could. And there we had. The classes were case study, reading and writing papers, not actually doing the things after Business School. Yeah, I go into meeting thinking I've gotten great grades and leadership classes physical, I'm a leader, I will run this meeting. And it didn't do very well. Because I later learned how to learn through and how I teach is experientially if you want to. And so I look at what I learned in school was like, you can learn music appreciation. And that's, you know, you'll learn about the lives of Bach and Beethoven. But you'll learn how to play you got to play scales. Same with leadership, I learned leadership appreciation in school. What I teach now is and what it coaches how to lead. And it's a deep, deep passion of mine. Awesome. So

Ari Gronich 3:18  

we talked about this a little bit. And in my, in my witnessing of of the world, right, I feel like Kennedy was probably, at least as a president, the last great leader of our country. And the thing that I think made him a leader is not only did he bring people along with his vision, but he gave mandates he gave direction to those visions, he said, we're going to go to the moon by the end of the decade, go do that. And then all of a sudden, people started flocking to create what he kind of mandated we should do. So where do you think that that's lacking in the leadership and how does your you know your vision of leadership address those kinds of things so that we can move forward faster versus wait for another great leader to show up?

Joshua Spodek 4:12  

Okay, so I'm gonna take the last thing you said there, what can we what can we do ourselves instead of just waiting for the next great leaders show up? Is it learning social and emotional skills, performance skills, is different than learning things about factual recall things that you can take bubble test for write papers about? You can write papers about leadership, but the actual practice of it, you have to face you have to understand yourself, you have to learn empathy, compassion, listening, as well as confidence. And these are not things you can read your way into, or write your way into and learning them requires there are there gonna be times I guarantee everyone who tries at some point they will think this. I've been at the six months I'm worse off than I was when I started. I'm not going to get anywhere others can do this, I just can't do it, everyone will think that at some point, that's part of the process and table get through that. It's a, it's something different than what our schools have come to teach these days. Our schools, there are, there are exceptions. But generally, it's factual recall, it's abstract analysis, which is valuable. I don't want to take away from that. But it doesn't help you face fears of going in front of an audience and allow yourself to be vulnerable and sometimes failing, not just failing. But like being being ridiculed, being disrespected, and bouncing back. You can get it in other areas, and just practicing leadership, there's sports, give it to performance arts, I think leadership is a performance art.

Unknown Speaker 5:54  

So

Ari Gronich 5:56  

just to go in, in my background, right. Every time I've ever had a position of leadership, it was in a style of master apprentice, right. So I had somebody who was teaching me how to be a leader. And then as a leader, I would be teaching somebody how to be what I'm doing, right. So I always had a master apprentice kind of relationship in that way. And it was very experiential. And I just want to kind of come back to what you just said, about doing the practice of, and knowing your traumas, or knowing your history, because I've always told people that when I'm doing trauma, work with them, if you want to get on a camera, but you're afraid of what people will think of you, the only way to do that is to get on that camera with people who are safe. And so if you keep rebuilding the same, or if you rebuild the somatic trauma with new somatic experiences, you'll be able to then reprogram that neuro pathway. And as you do that, you get more and more comfortable being on stage, for instance, that kind of what you're saying, with regards to leadership.

Joshua Spodek 7:14  

Yeah, I mean, you say building neural pathways, it's the I would just simply say, learning, it's to learn to do things, it is effect, forming neural pathways you're learning. And you have to, you have to practice these things. I mean, if you simply read about leadership, you will learn how to read about leadership. That's different than it's like learning, reading about playing piano. It teaches you how to read how to play piano, but only fingers on the keyboard to it, that's the same thing that's going to certain neural pathways. At the beginning, when you play piano, I learned to play piano, but I think that, you know, you play some scale, the thumb is gonna hit harder than the pinky generally. So you have to learn how to modulate the, you know, hit with the same, if you want the same volume, you have to hit with the same force, which means you have to push harder with your pinky. Likewise, if you're going to lead people, and you want to make people feel comfortable sharing what motivates them, so that you motivate them intrinsically, not telling them what to do, that managers can do that. And that's effective at times. But sometimes, intrinsic motivation is going to get you much farther. And if you presume to know what the person what motivates them, you're almost certainly gonna be wrong. So how do you but for them to share that is generally makes them feel vulnerable. So they're going to protect that. So if I'm going to communicate, and behave in ways to make them feel comfortable sharing that, that takes that kind of nuance, that kind of subtlety, that kind of being able to pick up facial expression, I movement, tone of voice, both seeing there's as well as

Ari Gronich 8:58  

doing your own got modulating your own. So how do you do that? Do you use mirror work to modulate your own or do you like, what what is your process for creating that level of leadership in yourself and awareness?

Joshua Spodek 9:14  

I'll give a very low level and not a somewhat low level incident and give a high level answer. When I okay, after school, I picked up there was this difference between learning about something learning something. And at this at the time I was watching inside the actress to do a bunch I don't know if people have seen it, but I love it. It's now it's no longer James Lipton. He's is some other hosts now. But he'd bring on all the best guests. Pacino De Niro, Streep, you know people like that. And I kept noticing that they had the skills that I was supposed to have learned in Business School. Over and over again. They kept saying they dropped out of school, they got kicked out of school, they never went to school in the first place. Like that's weird because I went to an Ivy League business school and my professors weren't Nowhere near able to practice the emotional and social skills that these people could and yet they didn't go to school at all. And then the more I studied or learn about them, because my curiosity is now like, what's going on? How's it? How's this possible, it shouldn't be this way. It's not that they they stopped going, that what they're talking about was like mainstream course course in high school, they would still get education. And so then I learned about like, the group theater and Stanislavski and this whole history of theater. And there's a style of learning there. I ended up taking Meisner technique classes. So Meisner was one of the big teachers of the of the movement. And the technique was, it starts off these very simple exercises, that when you do them, they're so simple. It's almost like, what's the point. But then the next exercise is a little bit more than that. And the next section has a little bit more than that. And before you know it, you're doing these amazing, I was doing these amazing things, I was crying on stage, on purpose to using the technique, which I never would have expected I could do. And so if you look at the way I teach, now, it's Meisner technique. But instead of By the way, they're doing construction next door, I hope that it's not too loud,

Ari Gronich 11:13  

I can hear it a little bit, but we could try to get in and post.

Joshua Spodek 11:18  

So the hopefully not too distracting, I feel like now we're all used to like, we used to be in Sound Studios, and now it's just our living rooms,

Unknown Speaker 11:26  

I know. And,

Joshua Spodek 11:28  

alright, so I take out the stuff that's specific to acting, and I bring in stuff that's specific to most of my clients or business leadership. But some politicians, people like that, too. There's lots of areas that you can do leadership and sports and education, so forth. So I put in exercises that are relevant to that style of leadership. So it begins with very simple basics. And then you move up. So now I'm going to go from management technique. But this is how you learn sports. To play musical instrument to perform dance singing, the military, you begin with very simple basics. And when you get a certain level of proficiency with the basics, you move up to intermediate. And when you move up from there, you get to mastery, and there's no limit to how well you can act or how well you can play tennis. So there's no place to stop, you can always get better. And as you gain fluency in it, you you communicate more you learn more about yourself. It's a wonderful experience. And it's just as far as I can tell people didn't do it with leadership. I did. And then you know, that's why I end up at West Point in places like that.

Ari Gronich 12:41  

Right. So tell me about about that westpoint gig. You know, you're you're working with professors who are also Captain through colonels, you know, typically, you're working with the student population who's looking to become the next leader and officer. And I'll tell you the truth when I when I spent four years of my life and Air Force Junior ROTC, which, you know, doesn't sound like a lot. But it was it was an interesting experience, because my experience of the leadership was really all about ego. If somebody had joined two weeks before me and didn't know half of what I knew their words still got accepted as fact, versus what's the truth or optimization. And so, within military, I always find that there's so much what's the word overage of, of duties, like, somebody who's knows his business is being told to do his business and then has to do it twice or three times? Right? And so that leadership doesn't really translate to, to trust in the person that you have hired. Whereas in business, we're starting to learn that you've got to like not micromanage. And so within regards to West Point, and what you're doing with the military there, how does that micromanage versus leadership, and, and breaking the ego of leadership so that it's really more of a service position versus I am a leader? position?

Joshua Spodek 14:23  

Well, just a lot there. I don't know if I can cover all of that. And you distinguish between micromanagement and leadership that what I heard, I would make the distinction between authority and leadership. And, and so your experience in the military is much greater than mine. And by the way, I appreciate your service. And it was it was just Memorial Day, and it's, I have a deep appreciation for the and a greater appreciation for the freedom that I have as a result of having spent time with the military. Very limited time. But my understanding is that there's a chain of command If you're given a directory, you got to follow a lawful direct order. But that's the last thing you want to rely on. You can rely on authority, if you have to what is authority, if not, the ability to hurt someone, if they don't do what you tell them to do? Well, that's almost an invitation for them to undermine that authority that can because I don't want you to hurt me, if I don't do what you tell me to do. But if you can find out why I, if you can find something, a motivation inside me that you can connect with a task, then I'll want to do it for my intrinsic motivation. That's what I really work on. That's not very well taught in school. And, and yet, it's not that hard to teach.

Ari Gronich 15:41  

Okay, so I want you to give me an example, I'm going to use me as an example, because you know, it's my show, I get to do that. But I have a seven year old, I'm a dad. And there are times in which I want to be an authority, or authoritarian with him. And I was like, you need to do this, you need to do this. That's it. No, no questions. And then there's this other side of me that's going what I'm doing sometimes isn't working as well as I'd like it to. And I'd much rather have a pleasant peaceful life with my son, and then one that's adversarial. So I'm trying to learn how to be a leader as a father, and do what you say is motivate his intrinsic motivation. So give me a kind of like, how would How would you go about doing that? Like, what what's the the pieces? What are the questions I would ask myself? Well,

Joshua Spodek 16:32  

I'm going to translate this to piano. You asked, like, how do I play this piece. And I'm really taught how to play this, you have to practice the basics. And if you're starting from you're not sewing for, I don't know where it's coming from. But if you start from never having played piano before, you got to start with the scales. I can tell you play when when when it says this note, hit that key when it says that note hit that key. But that's not really that's not musical expression. That's just mechanical doing things. So if someone wants to learn how to improve their relationships with others, you got to practice the basics in what you're talking about there. If I want to motivate someone through their intrinsic motivations, I have to find out what those motivations are. Which means I have to listen to them, I have to observe what motivates them. And generally, what I'm going to do is, I'll ask them, What motivates you. Not quite like that? asked what some?

Ari Gronich 17:28  

What are the things you like?

Joshua Spodek 17:29  

Yeah, what are some things that you like? And they're generally going to protect themselves? They're like, I presume your son? How old? Is he? Seven, seven. So he's not at the stage where he's just gonna say the opposite, just because, you know, but he might not be aware of it himself. He might not really know like, maybe he likes to play video games. But is it because it's fun, because it's distracting or whatever? So after asking, I'm going to presume that the answer that people give at different ages for different reasons is not the full answer. It's but in general, it's going to be a mix of the answer plus a few layers on top of protecting themselves of what they think you want. They think you want to hear what they think is the right answer. So then want to ask a series of confirming, clarifying questions, not not putting myself so if I say, you know, I'm gonna ask you what, what's, what's your passion behind leadership? What is leadership matters so much to you? You'll probably give me an answer. Whatever your answer, whatever your answer is, if I repeat it back to you, even if I get a word for word, exactly what you said, Your words can't match what's in your heart and in your mind, so I'm not going to get it quite right. Even if I say exactly what you said. So you're probably gonna say no, that's not quite right. If I asked you, what, can you correct me, and then I keep confirming, clarifying until you go. Yes, that's it. That's exactly it. Now I know what motivates you. Now I have something now I have the intrinsic thing inside you, one of many of you know, an infinite number of things that motivate you. It could be experiences, it could be hopes, dreams, but it's gonna be something that I identify as. If it's, if it's something very particular to you, it's probably not, it's probably something more deep down, that I can empathize with, when I get something like that, then I can if I can connect that to the task, then I will inspire the person. But how to do all that. I mean, I just jumped like, this week's worth of of the course, into one quick thing, because it takes a while to learn how to ask the question effectively, how to listen how to confirm and clarify.

Ari Gronich 19:42  

Yeah, but you have you have that outline that you've been able to very clearly Express so I'm answering as a as a as an educator, ya know, it's ask questions. Learn about the person that that you're trying to motivate. So, know and then assess and reassess. clarify, those are all great tips for for the audience. So no,

Joshua Spodek 20:06  

I appreciate, I would say not so much. Sorry to interrupt but not so much tips as signposts to go along the way the tips would be like practice the basics. I would tips would be like what to do specifically to develop the skills. Right. So

Ari Gronich 20:20  

okay, so questioning skills. So let's, let's go to that one first, what what are some tips on how to develop questioning skills? In in this area of finding out what exactly it's so I'll just give you so there's a difference between asking questions to gather a solution or just solve a problem. And there's ways to ask questions to interrogate and basically get somebody to admit what you already think that they want to know what you, you know, think that they want to tell you. So there's two different ways to ask questions in my world. In your world, how do you ask questions that lead to the results that you want to get?

Joshua Spodek 20:59  

Well, in this area, I would say start with the expect expectation that they have a passion is different than what you expect, when I say passion, I mean, strong motivation, not necessarily related to like physical passions, just a strong motivation, take for granted that they do. And it's probably not what you expect, it will be a mix of what you expect plus other things. So when you get an answer, so you're going to get something about them that you couldn't possibly know except that they will tell you. And when they tell you, it's gonna be a mix of what is in there, plus some protection plus these other things. So but they want, it's one of the great feelings in life, is to share what you care about most, to someone who supports you for it. So your questions when you confirm and clarify. Here's a way to get them to shut up or to clam up is to judge them. And even positive judgment, people like Oh, if I said it was good, well, I know when someone judges me one way, if I let them do that, all they want that at some point is going to go the other way. So I generally don't say, Oh, I try to avoid good, bad, right and wrong, better, worse, improve words that have been judged to have judgment built in. And then, so if someone says, you know, if I say, Why do you seem to really like doing x? what's the what's the motivation behind it? And this is something I don't say, Oh, that's a good reason. And I definitely don't say that's a bad reason. I say, I might comment on how I feel that like, Oh, that's interesting, but not in a judgmental way. Not in a good, bad, right, wrong way. Um, and I try not to, I try to avoid injecting myself like, if they say I do it, because of this, I say, Oh, really, I do it because of that. Then they kind of pick up Oh, he wasn't, he doesn't care about me. He just he was looking for an excuse to talk about himself. Which I'm I, which I often do. And that doesn't, that that's more for me, not for them, and therefore it's not conducive for leading for leadership. That's more entertainment for myself.

Ari Gronich 23:08  

Okay, so again, I you know, I think I want to just clarify, the questioning is meant to lead to a motivation, not an interrogation of judgment, like you're not putting a judgment on the person of whether their answers right or wrong, good or bad, up or down and indifferent. It's just trying to gather information, very flat.

Joshua Spodek 23:33  

Yeah. Build information and develop a relationship of rapport with a person of support, supportive, non judgmental, curiosity. So that they, they, when I repeat back to them, and when I really get it, a motivation, they say, Yeah, that's it. That feeling is a very, the feeling of feeling understood. For something important. is a it's a, how to describe it's a it's a feeling that's as powerful as love, I would say, to feel understood by someone euphoric. Yeah. And it makes me it makes me want to open up more with person when someone does that with me. I mean, the fact that you just clarified with me, this just are talking about I don't know if listeners could pick up on this, but I was like, Oh, yeah, I do want to clarify, like, I want to make sure he gets this and when you get it, I feel like oh man, now that I've told you that. And if I get support on that, I feel motivated to tell you more things about myself. From a leadership perspective, if you have people telling you more and more things about themselves that they care about. That's more and more things that you can leave them with. And this is not leading them like telling them what to do. It's helping them act on what they really care about. So

Ari Gronich 24:53  

watching out for the manipulation, right, so I want to just kind of break Part of you know, we're talking about motivation can be used for good or bad, right? So once you get a hold of their motivation, right, so how does somebody tell if somebody who's leading them is gathering their motivations for the benefit or the not benefit? So, motivations that could be like, well, I want you to take this poison, because it'll be good for the country, right? Or I want you to, you know, it's like, so how do I get Okay, so I know that you're really, really patriotic, right? And so you will take that poison, because you believe fully that it's good for the country. So that would be to me like a, what could possibly be an abuse of leadership versus something that would be more positive? So how do we how do we, as a listener, as an audience member who's maybe being led or wanting to lead? How do they make sure that they do it with pure motivation, or that they're being led from somebody who has pure motivation, versus being led through fraud or, you know, that's the word withholding of information not being completely authentic?

Joshua Spodek 26:22  

Well, this, so this is pretty powerful stuff, and you're working with people's deep emotions, and you could easily hurt someone this way. You definitely when you do this, and it takes months to develop it. or years, some people stumble on it, maybe founded as a child just to happen to get a technique like it. And Eisenhower said, you know, leadership, paraphrase here, is getting him to do your thing for his reason. And so if the very similar to what I'm talking about, and you will, when someone opens up with you, and shares these things, you will feel a Machiavellian feeling of like, Oh, now I can get them to do things. You will also, even from a purely Machiavellian standpoint, you will recognize, if you use that once that way, that's it, you've lost that you've made an enemy of that person, they're gonna hate you. And so even if you were purely psychopathic, you'd recognize I can't speak to what it's like for somebody who's psychopathic. But if you're, you're gonna realize you, you got one shot at ruining the relationship, this person forever, and you're not gonna want to do it. But they're also going to

Ari Gronich 27:35  

have that set up. That's on a one to one. Let me I'm just gonna interject. So you you consult with politicians. So politicians are famous for making promises and leading people into places where they are literally where the people are literally voting against their own self interests. Right? So yes, on a one on one basis, the person may know, okay, my motivation is a little Machiavellian, I might want to turn that down so that I don't isolate this one person who I'm in relationship with. But when you're a politician, and you're ruling over 100,000 1,000,002 million, or however many, and you don't have those personal relationships, you tend to get led down a wrong line. And so as a as an audience, let's say a voter, right, who's voting for policy, who wants to know that they're being led by somebody who is being authentic and non Machiavellian, right? How do they recognize that?

Joshua Spodek 28:39  

Well, I want to recognize that we've completely switched domains. Learning to play piano is one thing, learning how to command an audience at Rock, not rocking at Lincoln Center say, it's a very different thing. showmanship on stage is very different. There's a lot of stage music, session musicians, who are technically proficient and you play music better than anyone, but they can't, you know, work a crowd, right? Likewise, is playing musicians who can they know to chords, but they can work crowd. And so it's very different sets of skills to lead one person one on one, which is what we were talking about, and leading a large group of people. So leaving that large group of people. That's a whole other story. I mean,

Ari Gronich 29:21  

as you know, leadership is like you are on stage at a TEDx. You're leading an audience of people, it's not a one on one conversation, right? So a lot of what we do in life these days, is designed to not be one on one to lead groups and, you know, we're looking at this new society, so to speak, and going okay, how do I how do I find my place of leadership here? And so I think we are starting to need to focus on those large groups as well. And yeah, I get your point that one, you got to learn one before you learn three before Learn 20.

Joshua Spodek 30:02  

Yeah, there was a lot of questions there, how do we protect ourselves against somebody manipulating us through getting the whole crowd to do something, and then you're getting swept up with the crowd. And then realizing later why I didn't mean to do that at all. I mean, there's a lot of personal leadership, to protect yourself against these things to know what your values are to know, to identify these techniques ahead of time, to leadership, I

Ari Gronich 30:27  

just want to purse that's what I was hoping you would go to as the personal leadership.

Joshua Spodek 30:32  

Yeah. And also, what is your circle of friends who hiring is a major piece of leadership. If you hire people who are misaligned with the mission of your company, or your team or your friendship, it's not gonna work out, even if they're, they're great at what they do, but they don't really value what your mission is. So whom you hang out with, how you reflect and other times and being aware of what your values are, and acting on those things. Everybody has. Everybody values, family, everybody values, health, everybody values. civic duty, in some sense. The question is not do you value these things? The question is, when one is pitted against the other, which do you choose? That's much more challenging. If you value your fitness, but you also value saving money. Someone sometimes they're at odds. So which one do you pick, if you don't face these challenges yourself, these these choices, you don't really know your values. You can read about Plato's values, and Aristotle's and compare and contrast with Maya Angelou all you want. But you don't know your values until you face these things. So as you said earlier, on a small scale, you got to do these things when the when it's not like life or death. Then when you're in situations where it's like a major thing, what do I do? I mean, an example I use a lot is Muhammad Ali, when he won the Olympic gold medal, he became heavyweight champion of the world. He opposed the Vietnam War. And they drafted him. And he, they said, Are you gonna cross this line and he refused to cross the line, he said, I'm a conscientious objector lots of lots more depth than this. He didn't make that choice at that line. He reflected on that a lot before. And before now, we look back at Vietnam as a controversial affair. At that time, even Jackie Robinson said, Ali go, you know, they're not going to make him fight. He's not going to put his health at risk. And this was the army that had, you know, beaten Hitler. It didn't have a Vietnam in his background. So he had faced these things on his own before on a world stage to ask them. Another story I talked about a lot on Dave Chappelle. I don't know if you know this. A lot of people know that he was on offered $50 million contracts when Dave Chappelle when the Chappelle show is doing really well. And he walked away. So actually, on inside the Actor's Studio, he was being interviewed by James Lipton. And he tells a story about when he was graduating high school. His father says, so what are you gonna do? And he went to a performance arts high school. And his answer was like this really cocky, I want to be a great comedian. And comedy is not like an easy path to success. So his father says, Well, if you're, if you feel that way about if you're so confident, I think you should do it. But things can get crazy in Hollywood, you don't know. Name, your price now, figure out what's beyond what you're willing to do now when you're calm. And then, okay, so now he's talking to James Lipton, he turns to the audience who all know about his later history, he goes, hence,

Unknown Speaker 33:55  

Africa.

Joshua Spodek 33:56  

Meaning after his father gave him that advice, he reflected and thought, and spent his time and faces, you know, what's what's right for me? What's wrong for me? And when it got to create who knows what they weren't, like, Here's $50 million, have a great time. They're saying, Who knows what was attached to that? Who knows what kind of craziness goes on in Hollywood, right? And his name is price. And at both cases, Ali and Chappelle disappeared for a while Ali almost went bankrupt at the prime of his career, came back and became heavyweight champion the world again. And I think that's what helped him become not just the greatest boxer. I think many call them the greatest of all time of like everything, but certainly a major figure of the 20th century, Chappelle. I mean, his specials now are bigger than the Chappelle show was I think, well, it's special. It's something special. But you know, you got named the the Mark Twain award from the Kennedy Center he got

Ari Gronich 34:54  

as a beautiful ceremony. Yeah.

Joshua Spodek 34:56  

And again, he was talking about I will fight for your freedom to speak Your mind because I believe in this art. So these are examples of preparation that most of us will not face on the scale that they did with the world looking on with 10s of millions of dollars at stake. But it's the same technique that gets us that reflection, and what what is your price at a time preparation?

Ari Gronich 35:20  

asking those questions is,

Unknown Speaker 35:22  

to me,

Ari Gronich 35:23  

you know, like one of the best things you could do before you do anything. And I find that it's, it's a very difficult thing to get others to ask their own questions. It's like they can reflect if I'm asking them the question. It's hard to get people to come up with and then reflect on their own questions. Do you have any specific questions that you suggest people ask themselves?

Joshua Spodek 35:53  

More than the questions is really, you have to face the challenge yourself? You have to? It's not just which like, which do I value more between saving money or fitness? make that choice, you know, do go for the, I'm trying to think of like a situation where money and fitness go against each other?

Ari Gronich 36:13  

Or do you and afford what Tim can't afford? The equipment can't afford the proper food? You know, I mean, there's the crazy thing is that all the reasons why people do that. And,

Joshua Spodek 36:24  

you know, I'm smiling, because all the things you're talking about of like going, I don't like paying for gyms. And so I have my kettlebells over there, and all those bodyweight exercises. And you can just see the tip of my rowing machine over there. And so I have all this, I figured out how to exercise at like, a fraction of the cost of what other people what people pay, I paid 10 years of people pay per month that catwalks and can you tell how proud I am of that. Actually, that's and then with the food, I find out how to get I build relationships with the farmers at the farmers market. So I get vegetables much cheaper than everyone else does. Because they liked me because I talked to them. And, and I buy in season, so it's all and so I spend less money than most do, even though I get the highest quality. You know, right farm fresh vegetables. So that's why I had trouble picking that example. Because I found out how to be fit and save money, and how to eat healthy and save money. and delicious.

Ari Gronich 37:21  

A lot of people a lot of people don't really know that that's a, you know, possible, but I, you know, obviously 27 years I've been doing this and most of the ways that a person can get healthy costs a lot less than being sick. It's just a fact. And, you know, but as a leaders like questions, so like I'm writing a course right now on questioning, it's just all kinds of questions and ways to ask yourself things that will lead you towards wherever you want to go. So you personally lead yourself, I'm kind of like guiding the leading of themselves in that stuff. But the questioning the kinds of questions like, you could ask a question like, Why me? Or you can ask a question like, how much better could it get, you know, like, very different kinds of questions and how they lead your brain to an answer. So,

Joshua Spodek 38:16  

when you when you say questions like that, then my, my advices there is, is make those a dialogue with multiple people. I meditate regularly. And that's very useful. And there's something that happens when you talk to someone else. So to supportive, non judgmental, but still challenging. That definitely a think of those questions solo, meditate on them. Think about them, when you're lying in bed at night, or waking up in the morning and you have you know, nothing's getting in your way. Also, talk to your best friends about it, talk to your boss about it, talk to co workers, talk to your mom and dad, talk to your kids talk to me,

Ari Gronich 38:55  

what are they talking to them about? Because I'll tell you the truth, what it what it feels like, in my head, as you're saying that is find out your your life on by committee, you know, what your, your what's important to you by committee? What's uh, you know, it's like, I'm asking myself about, what is it as important to me as a leader? Or how do i do you know, so it's like, I wouldn't want to do that by committee, so to speak, I might want to ask them afterwards. What's your opinion on this as well, but after I'd already gotten to my real truth, my personal truth?

Joshua Spodek 39:33  

Well, I don't think you're going to get two final answers on these things. I mean, you'll get an answer that's right for you at that time. And I think that'll change as you age as things change. Of course, when you sit by committee that imply that feels to me, like you're trying to find a consensus or, but what I'm saying I'm suggesting is have people challenge you. So if I say, you know, I forget the questions you just asked, but like, what, like, what do I want out of a career That's an interesting question to ponder. And if I talk to some people about it and say, you know, push me on this challenge me, it's not to not for them to annoy me not for that, but for them to think of like, what might? What? from their experience that I have not had, but they had? Will they see that? I haven't. Um, you know, john Stuart Mill talked about if your idea hasn't been challenged, you don't really know you may be right, but you don't know it. You may you may be, there may be something more, something better for you that you haven't hit on yet. That when challenged to support why you'll hit on? That's what I'm going for is it's not a committee so much as a devil's advocates, or people to provoke greater reflection.

Ari Gronich 40:50  

Okay, I can see that. I just think that that should be done after the personal authentic reflection, and then, and then somebody can like, okay, now, what do you think of this? And maybe you have growth for me from where I'm at? But I would do the personal question first, personally, but, but I do understand how getting input from multiple places is going to increase your awareness of yourself.

Joshua Spodek 41:21  

I certainly didn't mean it as a solo as the only thing to do, as augment.

Ari Gronich 41:27  

Yeah, no, absolutely. Like said, I'm just reflecting, I'm trying to make sure that I'm clear, the audience is clear that, you know, that the information is, is disseminate in a way that everybody kind of is on the same level of what they hear. So when I, when I heard you, I heard, get people to challenge you, in what you're wanting to do. And I hate first thing is first, I just want to, you know, for me, at least, like I asked myself questions, and then I go, Okay, so this is what I want to do. Do you think that this is a good, you know, road, bad road? What are your experiences on this road, and getting other people's input? of that? So I'm, I'm wanting like, to be very specific, so the audience can be clear on what you're saying. I hope that makes it more helpful for them. If that makes sense, what I just said, yeah. Yeah. I mean, as you were saying it for me, I think I think of I do reflect personally, and come to some results. And then but I, I personally don't think what more is there after this? What have I not thought of? And so I don't think of it as that my solo answers. I don't think it was like the right ones are the best ones. They're not final. It's a step on the way. Nothing is final death. Yes. I

Joshua Spodek 42:58  

was just gonna say it's just a min until death. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. So

Ari Gronich 43:04  

yeah. so fascinating things about you. I just want to break up the tension a little bit. You spent time in Manhattan off the grid.

Joshua Spodek 43:17  

So I'm not quite off the grid. I intend to get off the grid. I'm working very hard at it. And so I have over there my battery, but I haven't even gotten the solar panels to attach to it that I think I can I think I can pull it up the next 12

Ari Gronich 43:29  

to 24 months. Yeah, I am. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So that plan is in is in motion. It's in motion. So where are you now with it? And why did you decide to do it? I mean, I remember talking to you about the minimalist in this simple life, right, and how happy you are. And people are really looking to get happy these days. So, you know, tell me why you chose this as a way to simplify your your happiness.

Joshua Spodek 43:56  

It's been a long process, when I was a kid, I would never have thought of like, less, you know, I definitely thought you know, whoever dies with the most toys wins. And I had a friend whose parents were richer, and I was always trying to catch up with all the stuff he was always getting computers and cameras and stuff and and then, you know, one of the early stages is wall behind me that has a blackboard used to be all books. And getting rid of the books was really hard. It took several iterations and probably a year of first getting rid of the really books I knew I'd never read again, and then getting rid of ones that are a little more interesting, but not really that interesting. And then eventually getting rid of like the big books that I really cared about, but knowing I, I didn't eat them. And that's a whole process that people can go through on their own then. And there are various different things that I do over time that I've come to associate getting rid of unnecessary things as bring as creating freedom. Yeah, getting rid of like my marathon medals. I got rid of those. I was like, oh, as soon as I got rid of I was like that was a mistake. Like that was they're irreplaceable. But then later, after a couple years of regretting it now You know what? I'm glad that I get rid of them because I ran. I mean, I came in like 10,000 plates. It's like, no one knows who came in second Timothy two. What's his name? The guy one knows it comes in second for if it came behind Michael Phelps, right, right. I came in 10,000 place second. Like it's pretty far from second. So what's so big about these things. And then after that I ran a couple more marathons. And so I had these other these other medals I was like, now I know not to get them in the first place. It's hard to get rid of something once you've acquired it and start getting those connections to it or attachments to it. But I put on Craigslist, free put up on free for on Craigslist. And some guy can't pick them up. He wanted some other stuff that I was offering free at the same time. I said, Oh, I'd love to metal. I was like, what do you what the metals for anyway. And it's like, oh, his girlfriend was training for her first half marathon. And he wanted to give it to her as like a show of appreciation for that and motivation to go for the full marathon. So I'm so happy that this is getting used for something more. So cool. That's cool. Then

Ari Gronich 46:08  

I just released like, I think 1500 conference IDs. You know, the little things you have and your IDs with your name on them for constant conference you've ever been to? Yeah, I think I just cost about 1500. How did it feel? felt great. Yeah. Before you did it were like all what if I regret it? Oh, no, I saved them. For years, I was planning on putting them in a in a like, Curio thing I wanted to display like, look at all this stuff that I did, right to grow and learn and like, proud of them. And I spoke here and I spoke there. And then I just was like, now it's time. Just gotta go. And it felt

Joshua Spodek 46:54  

so good. So these experiences, I mean, there's all sorts of experiences like that. And the more I've done it, the more or there's definitely things I reflect on, I'm like, No, keep this one. And recently that happened, I was like I there's something I was going through. I was like, I gotta go through this once for the last time and get rid of it. I'm going through I was like, oh, at least one more time after this. And okay, so about a year and a half ago, I was reading an article about how other cultures, they refrigerate less than they, Vietnam in particular, they ferment a lot. And they don't refrigerate so much. And you know, I'm sustainability is a very important thing for me. And you know, there's a big challenge with wind and solar are intermittent. So sometimes they can't provide power. So one way to address that is to become more resilient. So I was curious, as individuals as a society, we don't really value resilience so much we talk about it, but we don't value it too much. So I wondered if I could, what if I had to go without power? What if I, so I unplugged my fridge for a while. And I ended up making three months that time. And I had no idea. I could do it. And but then from meditation I was it stopped being about what I was giving up. And it became what I was adopting. And that was last winter. This winter, I went did it. And actually now I think today, tomorrow marks six and a half months that my fridge has been unplugged. And I would have thought was crazy. But I keep learning more about how people used to mean refrigerators been around what 100 years, humans have been around for what 300,000. And I'm eating better. It's really, I'm very surprised at this. And when I realized that when I got an electric bill $1.70 I got to $4.70 the last one's $1.40 I'll see what the next one is. I was like I want if I can go off grid, it was really just stumbling into following my nose to in the direction of acting on my values of stewardship to see where it would lead. I didn't I didn't think like let's go off grid. But now that it not I'm within striking distance of it. I'm like, let's see if I can do it.

Ari Gronich 49:14  

I like how you said acting on my values. How often do you see people who do not act on their values? And the question that I would have for you is what are the tricks or the things that have made you strong enough to act on your values? While most people would talk about sustainability? I'll give you al gore as an example. He's flying around on private jets, his house takes up more electricity than like seven other residential properties, right? Not that now at least that was like 20 years ago, but that you get the idea right? Some people act on their value. Some people just talk about them. So how do you get to a place where acting on them is your default.

Joshua Spodek 50:02  

Well, this is the eternal challenge of life. I mean, acting on your values, values, what's evaluate good, bad, what? To actually evaluate means to do what you think is good. And maybe different than other people's values, but your values, but and that's in conflict with with what's easier often, or what everyone else is doing. So the more that you act by your values, the more than let me speak personally, the

Ari Gronich 50:24  

more that I act on my values, the more that I improve my life, improve, make more good. And one of the things that you told me you did is you stopped flying.

Joshua Spodek 50:34  

Yeah, although that came after. Right morning packaged food. Right.

Ari Gronich 50:38  

And you said that that helped your life, which most people will find interesting, because your travel for a living? So

Joshua Spodek 50:48  

yeah, that Well, I didn't originally choose to stop flying totally. I originally chose to go without flying for a year. expecting it to be a horrible year. I at that time, I felt like I'm taking one for the team. But I gotta find out. This doesn't sound sustainable. All this flying? Could I get by without it? I was surprised after two, three months of it. That, again, it wasn't what I was getting rid of it what I replaced it with, which is much more community connection, spending more time with family having more control over my career, I would have thought it'd be the opposite. I think I'd spend less time and family have less control of my career. And when I didn't have the option of flying, I was able to create more of those things, not less. Sort of construction. I was not too loud. It's all right. This should be the unidirectional. So it's all right.

Ari Gronich 51:45  

No problem. So what are,

Unknown Speaker 51:50  

you know?

Joshua Spodek 51:52  

Oh, I'm sorry. And again, it's practicing the basics. It's really starting with the simpler things. If I had not challenged myself to go without packaged food for a week, there's no way I would have gone for not flying. And the packaged food I also thought was gonna be you know, I live in Manhattan. It's like great food everywhere. And am I going to say no to the best chefs in the world, or you know, some of them. And again, that that pattern that I described with the flat with the not flying happened with the food too. It's not that I I don't feel like I'm missing out on restaurants now. Because when I go to the farmers market, it's just this cornucopia of like right now over here I got the strawberries are the season in New York, I haven't had strawberries in 10 months because they weren't in season. But my joy of strawberries is greater now than it was before. Now that experience with the strawberries with farmers markets instead of restaurants. That experience on a small scale, gave me the gumption to try it on a bigger scale with the flying. But even the avoiding packaged food on that scale that came from other things before that. So I didn't practice in the basics, play my scales. Got it. So

Ari Gronich 53:10  

deprivation leads to happiness.

Joshua Spodek 53:17  

I wouldn't say that it's a if I had to pick anything, it would be more like Jocko willing, he said some discipline equals freedom. So it looked like deprivation. But it was living, my value was stewardship. My value was leaving the earth better than I found that my value was not polluting other people's air that they breathed. That was the value. From that value flying doesn't fit. It doesn't work. Now that benefits the flying benefited me. So now I would say it felt in retrospect, it felt it looks selfish to me what I was doing, but I want to see the Eiffel Tower, I want to say Machu Picchu. Okay, some people. Now I would say people have been displaced from their homes to drill for the oil. 9 million people died in 2019 from breathing air from breathing that air didn't know that came out the back of you know vehicles. And I'm grossly simplifying here. Right. So the question was, could I live by value of stewardship to other service to others, even when I felt like but I'm gonna miss out on the Eiffel Tower. And this is the answer to your question you asked before is how do you do what you think is right, even when it's easier not to is you practice new practice in practice? That's what I've done. And it's worked out for me so far. I believe that I'm happier now than I've ever been. I believe that I'm more effective than I've ever been. And I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.

Ari Gronich 54:51  

That's awesome. I i've been simplifying my brain a little bit with having a son and As I, as I'm listening to you again, you know, so glad to talk to you because I definitely create a structure. And I've told my son, you know, like, the more structure you have, the more freedom you have. And the more discipline the more you're able to, you know, discipline yourself and focus, the more time you'll have. So I try to give him the consequence, good or bad to the action, you know, as my way of being in leadership to him. But it does sound like like, the idea is to really challenge yourself to live the value that you speak. And this human condition is full of contradiction. And what do we do with the contradiction other than play with it and practice, like you say, you know, you got to practice focusing, if you want to be able to focus, it's not something that you're born with, you got to practice it. You got to practice learning to play piano, right? Got to practice leadership skills. So where are ways that people can can? Like, I know you have a training program that you use for leadership. So tell us a little bit about that. I don't normally do promotion, but I just felt called to ask you.

Joshua Spodek 56:29  

Okay, well, I also want to comment that there are plenty of things I've tried, that didn't work out. Yoga comes to mind, I did it for a couple years, I really loved working with my instructor. But ultimately, it's just, that was not it didn't hit for me. And there are plenty of other things that I try. I was like, you know, that's not right. So it's not like this is like a non stop path is lots of wrong term, not wrong terms, but you know, explore explorations that don't pan out. So and there's also a video that comes to mind, I call this the most boring video online, if you if you search for it's like LeBron James practicing for an hour as him with the trainer. And he is just practicing, like, he dribbles a bit. He does, like a whole bunch of free throws a whole bunch of whatever different stretches and things. There's, I don't think they even I don't think they even talk. So it's really boring. But you've seen him play. I mean, he does spin moves and crazy stuff on the court that like you can't imagine he doesn't actually practice those. He practices the basics. And that's how you get those things. It's an you know, when I dance, I took dance lessons for a while. I like it, I'm glad it did. I'm not gonna become a dancer. But I remember Oh, salsa, and I kept asking, like, what about the spin moves all these spin boots, I wanted to spin moves, and the instructor kept saying it's the feet, you got to get the feet, right. It's the rhythm. So my rhythm was terrible. And, and eventually, I was like, Oh, it's in the feet. And it's really, the more you do these things, the more you get back to these very basic things. And a lot of what I do is really giving people very basic skills. And the more you practice them, the more that the the what the shine is the thrills that not the thrills the fancy stuff comes if you practice the basics, if you don't practice the basics. It's pretty tough. And some of the basics are a lot of like, my book has four units, understand yourself, lead yourself, understand others, lead others. And it's a progression. And each set of exercises is different. Like understand yourself is more reflective, introspective, lead yourself is more getting advice from people, disciplining, applying discipline so that you can put these things into practice. lead others is much more about what we're talking about earlier, is making them feel comfortable sharing what motivates them so that you can connect that to the tasks so that they act on intrinsic motivation. And, you know, for the different types of each skill has different types of exercises to help build those things. And if that's too glib of an answer, or too high level,

Ari Gronich 59:17  

yeah, no, not at all. No, it's, it's a perfect answer. So how can people get ahold of you if they'd like to? chat with you?

Joshua Spodek 59:25  

So JoshuaSpodek.com everything's there. In the upper right corner is the links to the books and the TEDx talks and to contact me. I mean, I'm on I'm on social media, but it's, it's much more of the blog and the podcast is where I put most of my stuff out. Absolutely.

Ari Gronich 59:41  

Thank you so much for for coming on. You know, I am a I'm a believer that in order to create a new tomorrow, we have to challenge ourselves like a lobster in its shell. You know, you got to break free from one shell before you can get to your next shell. It's not comfortable, it's not easy. But if we have more conversations that explore these kinds of, you know, topics, then we'll get to a deeper truth. And that deeper truth, my hope is, will help to activate people's vision for a better world so that they can truly lead themselves and lead others. And, and we can change the world together. So I really appreciate you being on here. So thank you very much for coming.

Joshua Spodek 1:00:29  

Thank you for having me. I hope that I think I said things that I think me in the past would have benefited from different people may resonate or not, but I hope I hope for some people at least, that we things that we shared, help them further their path.

Ari Gronich 1:00:44  

Absolutely. Thank you so much. And this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow, I've been your host Ari Gronich with Josh spodek. Thank you so much for coming on. And remember, we're activating your vision for a better world. So what are you going to do today, tomorrow and next week, to really live your perfect life. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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Joshua Spodek 0:00  

You can rely on authority if you have to, and what is authority? If not, the ability to hurt someone, if they don't do what you tell them to do? Well, that's almost an invitation for them to undermine that authority if they can, because I don't want you to hurt me. If I don't do what you tell me to do, but if you can find out why I if you can find something, a motivation inside me that you can connect with a task, then I'll want to do it for my intrinsic motivation. That's what I really work on. That's not very well taught in school. And, and yet, it's not that hard to teach.

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow, I'm your host Ari Gronich with me today I have Chase Russell, I am not going to do my normal, spectacular introduction of Chase, because he's just, you just can't do it with this guy. I mean, from wars, and combat to owning his own plane company at 25. I mean, you can't explain the path that this young man is on to shift and change the world. So Chase, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself. And kind of one of the the main things that makes you who you are and what and do what you are doing and why.

Chase Russell 0:58  

So I'm chase Russell and I, I'm an Air Force veteran, I did two tours in Afghanistan, and I did one in another in the Middle East for a year long stint. And I decided to get out of the military and said, Hey, you know, I always wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to go into business. I loved aviation. So let's let's start a private airline. And at the time, I was unaware that you could start a private airline. And most people say that to me, they're like you. I didn't even know you could just do that. Apparently, you can. And that's, that's good news for me. Man, I was like, what's going to be our niche. So our niche is making private charters affordable. So everybody wants to fly privately. But it's extremely expensive. And I was like, it shouldn't be that way. And so we started building the premise of Russell aviation, and we built it on the premise of an affordable private charter. And it's really taken off, since I've got out in 2019. And I'm excited for the future of it.

Ari Gronich 1:55  

So let's get into it. Us policies and politics, the foreign policies, especially, you've been a contractor, you've had to go to war you've been overseas, you've had a lot of time to spend studying this particular topic, right? Absolutely. So So tell us is what we're doing very efficient.

Unknown Speaker 2:25  

I don't think the way I see it, okay, I've spent a spent the majority of my adult life in the Middle East. I like you said, I worked as a contractor. I worked in the military over there. So I've seen both sides of the fence on this. In the short answer, no. It's not effective in any way possible. You can't fight though the way I say it is you can't fight ideology with with bombs, you know, that you're not going to change someone's mind by by blowing up their town or by, you know, assisted suicide, whatever you want to call it. It's just not how it works. I mean, anybody can agree with that. I think the way I look at it, it's just not it's not effective. The way we went into it's not effective. I'm sure there's a there's a much deeper cause behind the reason we're in Afghanistan. But as far as I don't, I don't negate the fact that there's a lot of people there that they're, they're there because they were told to be there and they have a job to do. Okay, I was in the military. I understand how that goes. And I appreciate that. And I'm not gonna sit here and say that the the war in Afghanistan is a shamble. But it's been going on now for for decades. I mean, I know, people that their dad fought, and now they're fighting it, you know, and that's, that's not how it should be. It should be operated. Whether you pull out completely of Afghanistan or anywhere in the Middle East, I don't know. But I mean, the general rule of thumb is they don't, they don't really want you there. The Middle Easterners don't want you there. We wouldn't want Russians on our soil. So why would Why would they want us there?

Ari Gronich 4:07  

You know that it's a funny thing. The whole concept to me, of borders, and territories and things are it's kind of a distasteful thing to my humanity. And I'll just share with you why and then I'll let you kind of go but I'm Jewish, right. So there's right now a lot of Israeli Palestinian fighting.

Unknown Speaker 4:37  

And

Ari Gronich 4:39  

the media is sharing what the media shares which is not the truth in any way, shape, or form. And so I take it from from a perspective of what's in a border and in a border in the nature of a border is division between two sides between two kinds of cultures between two kinds of people. To me, what we've done in the US should be the prototype for the world. However, as far as integration of culture, however, the way that we do it is such a bully ish way, it's going to be our culture, or nobody's right? It'll be the culture we create, or nobody else's. And that's what division and borders do to me, in my head. So, you know, like, if I look on a satellite image of the world, there are no lines separating states, right? There are no lines separating countries, there is no, no natural reason for creating territory's borders other than we're not comfortable being around people who are not exactly like us. So I wanted you to talk a little bit about that.

Unknown Speaker 6:10  

I think if you if you look at the history, I mean, let's let's talk on the borders for a minute, you know, let's look at the history of it. prior to World War One, you had the Ottoman Empire, the Persians, you know, after World War One, they decided, hey, let's just draw a bunch of borders, if we're talking about the Middle East and Europe, and that's where you see a lot of this division. That's where you see a lot of this. And then of course, with Israel 1948 when when Israel became a state, but you're you're right, and you're accurate in the sense that there's no you can look at a satellite image, and there's no borders, you know, but it's, it's an it's an understood goes to an understanding of cultural norms.

Ari Gronich 6:48  

Right? I think that, for me, the issue becomes this concept of, they're coming over and taking from me, right. So when I was in Greece, during the Paralympics, for instance, all I heard from the Greek people was about the Albanians coming over and stealing the jobs reminded me a little bit about the US concept of the Mexican people coming over and stealing the jobs. And then I was in another country, and they were talking about a different country that was coming over and stealing the jobs, right? Like, every country has people who want to be there. And some who could be not there. Right. And I guess we're where, where that division comes from, is that we are a global planet, most humans tend to roam, we are roaming people we like to explore, we like to adventure, we like to see new things. And I think that part of the division in our policies are the division that we've placed with borders and stopping people, in some ways and respects from being able to freely travel the world. And when they don't really travel the world, you don't get to experience other people's cultures in a way that's like, that's the predominant culture that you're experiencing different from your own. Right, and therefore we don't understand each other's cultures, we don't know the same language of each other's cultures. And so we don't tend to want to be friendly with other people. And I think that that's part of our specific foreign policy. And I'm not sure why

Unknown Speaker 8:40  

people are afraid of the unknown. That's I think that's a lot of the issue that you're hitting on is people are afraid of the unknown. All right, everybody's terrified of something they don't understand or don't know. And then it's one thing that I, I'm very fortunate that I've been able to get out of the United States, I've been able to go experience other cultures and I'm the type of person that when I get to another culture, I immerse myself in it and I become, I become whatever you know, form you need to become because that's one respectful and to you're going to get a much better view of the culture. For instance, I, I was in Haiti, after the earthquake, I did a mission down to Haiti. And I speak I was learning French in high school, and I was very, I was really in love with learning French. So when I went down there, I didn't speak in English. I spoke nothing but French the entire time. And I was I think I was 17 at the time. And that's been just an amazing cultural change and shift in my life, just from that one trip that I did down there and got to you know, you'd learn so much more about the people when you can connect with them and I, I had never, I had never been to Haiti. I knew nothing about Haiti when I got there other than they spoke French and I easily became a Haitian. I'm not saying I am but I'm just saying like It was it was amazing. And it was fun. And they really accepted that and they were really respectful. Same, that's kind of all the sound.

Ari Gronich 10:07  

Yeah, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna add one to the determination. So we've got plan, action steps, we've got determination, I'm going to add one to it for you. And that's resilience. and resilience is probably one of the most important pieces to being an entrepreneur, and to making a difference in the world in general, because you're going to get kicked, you're gonna make have missteps, you're gonna have things that get in the way. And your ability to be resilient. And bounce back is always the most important thing. One of my sayings is, if you're not dead, it ain't over. So you're not done. I tell people, you can't fall off the wagon, you're not on a wagon, you're in life, you're in a body or you're in until you're dead, you're still on. And so at any moment, at any second, at any millisecond, you can make a decision and a choice to change the course of your life forever. And that is really awesome. That

Unknown Speaker 11:17  

No, I agree with that. 100% the resilience side of things. In that kind of goes back to my there's positive motivation, negative motivation, you know, something bad happens to you just look at it like, okay, cool, something bad happened to me, that's gonna motivate me to do better take a different route or take a different path, you know, whatever it is. And if something positive happens to you celebrate it for a minute, move on to the next thing, you know, and the more you start to celebrate the negatives, the more you're going to start to realize that they're not really negative. That's what's crazy about it is the more you stop looking at things negatively, and the more you start building a positive mindset and manifesting what you want in your life. And you start saying, you know what, that didn't go the way I wanted, but I learned something, you know, there's a mill, for instance, my company, we did a sales strategy, my first, you know, draft of my sales strategy. It was terrible, absolutely terrible. And I spent so much time on it. And I worked and I stressed and I, and at the end of it, I was like, This isn't gonna work. I went to my mentor, he's like, this is terrible, and good for him. You know, that I'm very fortunate to have people that do that for me. But it was it was terrible. And I was so upset. I was like, I can't believe I spent so much time on this, but and it's terrible. But it led me to an even better strategy. And it led me to rethink and relook at things and hypothesize and question and have a general gray area. And I wasn't so certain on one thing, that I was blinded by by everything else. And that's, you know, you got to look at it as a positive. And even if it's a negative, it's still positive as you learn something.

Ari Gronich 12:56  

Yeah. So here's where I, I'm going to just kind of add a guess, again, is, with the gray area, we've been talking a lot about gray area, and there being no black and white. And here would be my caveat for for people in general, the audience to think about is nuance lies in the gray area. But your decision lies in black or white, the gray areas, the fence that you gather your information on, but it's not the fence that you want to hang your hat on. You you get the information, and then you make a decision one way or another. And then you just go Okay, did that work? Did it not work? Why? Why did it work? Why did it not work? So you can you can have the Meyer decision,

Unknown Speaker 13:46  

your decision should be fluid, I think to to add to that, I think your decision should be fluid, you know, it's like writing a paper, a research paper, you know, you've read out this rough draft, and you just throw all your all your ideas on a piece of paper, right. And then once you read the final report, you know, a year from now, that final report might need to be revised, which is why in most news articles, there's amendments, there's all kinds of things, you know, it's the same thing you've written all your ideas down, that's your gray area, take that information, make a decision. And then you know, you need to be subject to altering that decision to Don't be so dead set.

Ari Gronich 14:20  

Always reassess you know, and as a as an A person who trains Olympic athletes, right? When I come up with a plan, we've got six months for you to get to where you need to be in competition. how we're going to do that we're going to create the plan. It's going to be a six month plan. But every marker, we retest, we reassess are we meeting? Are we meeting our goal? Are we meeting our goal? are we are we not? Oh, what are we what do we need to do to get back to where we are meeting our goal because the competition is there. You don't have a choice on the time, right? You just got to do what you got to do to get there. And that's the same thing with business. So if anybody in the audience here wants to go take a private flight with you, how can they get ahold of you?

Unknown Speaker 15:08  

So yeah, on the business side of things, you can go over to Russell Russell air charter.com, you can find us on Facebook at Russell aviation and on Instagram at Russell aviation as well. And then I'm on LinkedIn, Chase Russell, feel free to connect with me, I love chatting with people and getting to know other people and their stories. Awesome. Is

Ari Gronich 15:27  

there anything else that you'd like to leave the audience with?

Unknown Speaker 15:32  

Um, you know, just, if you're looking to start something, and you think, wow, that's way too big, or that's way too big of a goal, or you're looking at somebody else, your neighbor, your friend, your buddy, your wife, ex wife, whatever it is, and they're doing better than you in life. Don't think like that. Your life is your life, and you get to live it the way you live it, nobody's on the same time table. Okay, just because I'm 26. And I'm starting this or someone's 46. And they're starting something else that doesn't make anybody any different. It's just a matter of taking the time, the mindset and growing yourself. And I think people that take the time to grow themselves and grow and foster a mindset of self motivation. Those are normally the people that that have the positive things come at them when they're not even doing anything. That's one thing I've learned since starting this business is, you know, if you put out a positive energy, you're going to get a lot more positive energy tenfold back.

Ari Gronich 16:35  

Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for being here. It was, it was a pleasure to have you on. I know that the conversation does not always take the prescribed route. But But as long as as long as the audience gets, you know, tips and tricks and ways to move forward, I'm a happy camper. So I really appreciate the deep conversations versus surface one. So thank you so much for helping me to create a new tomorrow and activate people's visions for a better world so that we can all live the life of our dreams. Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate it. Thanks so much for having me.