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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich with me today I have Chase Russell, I am not going to do my normal, spectacular introduction of Chase, because he's just, he just can't do it with this guy. I mean, from wars, and combat to owning his own plane company at 25. I mean, you can't explain the the path that this young man is on to shift and change the world. So Chase, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? And kind of one of the main things that makes you who you are and what in do what you are doing and why.

Chase Russell 1:06  

So I'm chase Russell and I, I'm an Air Force veteran, I did two tours in Afghanistan, and I did one in another in the Middle East for a year long stint. And I decided to get out of the military and said, Hey, you know, I always wanted to be an entrepreneur, I wanted to go into business. I loved aviation. So let's let's start a private airline. And at the time, I was unaware that you could start a private airline. And most people say that to me, they're like you. I didn't even know you could just do that. Apparently, you can. And that's, that's good news for me. So yeah, I got out I started putting the business plan together, I started, you know, really getting in, dive in and intricacies of how to operate an airline how to get a part 135 charter and all of that. Man, I was like, what's going to be our niche. So our niche is making private charters affordable. So everybody wants to fly privately. But it's extremely expensive. And I was like, it shouldn't be that way. And so we started building the premise of Russell aviation, and we built it on the premise of an affordable private charter. And it's really taken off, since I've got out in 2019. And I'm excited for the future of it.

Ari Gronich 2:15  

Nice. So you're what 27 now,

Chase Russell 2:19  

I turned 27 on Monday, Memorial Day, so

Ari Gronich 2:22  

really, your your day happens to be the day after mine. Really good for you. Yeah, I'm 30th your 31st I think that's pretty cool. So what are you going to do today? Yeah, what are you going to do for your birthday?

Chase Russell 2:41  

Um, I have family coming into town. So when we hang out with them, I've got a few I've got I've still gotta keep working. So I've got a few meetings to get to. But you know, I'm gonna hang out by the pool. I'm down here in South Florida. So I beach day, maybe? I don't have anything planned. I kinda, my birthday to me is kind of just, it is it's a day, but you know, I gotta keep working. So,

Ari Gronich 3:04  

absolutely. So let's get into it. Us policies and politics, the foreign policies especially, you've been a contractor you've had to go to war you've been overseas you've had a lot of time to spend studying this particular topic, right? Absolutely. So So tell us is what we're doing very efficient.

Chase Russell 3:35  

I don't think the way I see it Okay, I've spent a spent the majority of my adult life in the Middle East. I like you said I worked as a contractor. I worked in the military over there. So I've seen both sides of the fence on this in the short answer No, it's not effective in any way possible. You can't fight though the way I see it is you can't fight ideology with with bombs, you know, that you're not going to change someone's mind by by blowing up their town or by you know, assisted suicide, whatever you want to call it. It's just not how it works. I mean, anybody can agree with that. I think the way I look at it it's just not it's not effective the way we went into it's not effective I'm sure there's a there's a much deeper cause behind the reason we're in Afghanistan, but as far as i don't i don't negate the fact that there's a lot of people there that they're they're there because they were told to be there and they have a job to do okay, I was in the military. I understand how that goes. And I appreciate that and I'm not gonna sit here and say that the the war in Afghanistan is a shamble. But it's been going on now for for decades. I mean, I know people that their dad fought, and now they're fighting it, you know, and that's, that's not how it should be. It should be operated. Whether you pull out completely of Afghanistan or anywhere in the Middle East, I don't know. But I mean, the general rule of thumb is they don't, they don't really want you there. The Middle Easterners don't want you there. We wouldn't want Russians on our soil. So why would Why would they want us there?

Ari Gronich 5:17  

Yeah, you know that it's a funny thing. The whole concept to me, of borders, and territories, and things are, it's kind of a distasteful thing to my humanity. And I'll just share with you why, and then I'll let you kind of go, but I'm Jewish, right. So there's right now a lot of Israeli Palestinian fighting. And the media is sharing what the media shares, which is not the truth in any way, shape, or form. And so I take it from from a perspective of what's in a border. And in a border, in the nature of a border is division, between two sides between two kinds of cultures between two kinds of people. To me, what we've done in the US, should be the prototype for the world. However, as far as integration of culture, however, the way that we do it is such a bully ish way, it's going to be our culture, or nobody's right? It's going to be the culture we create, or nobody else's. And that's what division and borders do to me, in my head. So, you know, like, if I look on a satellite image of the world, there are no lines separating states, right? There are no lines separating countries, there is no natural reason for creating territory's borders other than we're not comfortable being around people who are not exactly like us. So I wanted you to talk a little bit about that.

Chase Russell 7:19  

I think if you if you look at the history of I mean, let's let's talk on the borders for a minute, you know, let's look at the history of it. prior to World War One, you had the Ottoman Empire, the Persians, you know, after World War One, they decided, hey, let's just draw a bunch of borders, if we're talking about the Middle East and Europe, and that's where you see a lot of this division, that's where you see a lot of this and then of course with Israel 1948 when when Israel became a state, but you're you're right, and you're accurate in the sense that there's no you can look at a satellite image and there's no borders, you know, but it's, it's an it's an understood goes to an understanding of cultural norms. You know, if you look at the Curtis, the the Kurds, now there's, they're an entire ethnic group, and they have no place to be very, you know, they have really no land. They're their borders, and Mexico and Iraq, Syria, and a few other, you know, a few other places. But that's an entire ethnic group. And then let's do it on like a microculture aspect of Florida. For instance, people in northern Florida, people in southern Florida. That's it, we joke around in the military. That's two different states. It is two different states. It's northern Cuba, and it's southern Alabama, one of the two. You know, it, we've gotten so accustomed to the idea of solid, hard drawn borders. And it just expands into a global scale when when we are talking about it like this. So I don't I don't think that we should be looking at it like that. And what you're saying is almost in a sense of, and I hate to say the word, but like systematic racism type thing. It's almost like, you know, where we're drawing the borders is what's beneficial for this cultural group or this ethnicity or this person. And I, I'm not going to say I'm open border at all. I mean, I think there should be checks and balances, there should be a security, I don't leave my front door unlocked. However, I think it needs to be reformed, if we're if we're talking about people coming in and out of certain borders.

Ari Gronich 9:26  

Right. I think that for me, the issue becomes this concept of they're coming over and taking from me, right. So when I was in Greece during the Paralympics, for instance, all I heard from the Greek people was about the Albanians coming over and stealing the jobs. reminded me a little bit about the US concept of the Mexican people coming over and stealing the jobs and then I was in another country. And they were talking about a different country that was coming over and stealing the jobs, right? Like every country has people who want to be there. And some who could be not there. Right. And I guess we're where, where that division comes from is that we are a global planet, most humans tend to roam, we are roaming people we like to explore, we like to adventure, we like to see new things. And I think that part of the division in our policies are the division that we've placed with borders and stopping people, in some ways and respects from being able to freely travel the world. And when they don't really travel the world, you don't get to experience other people's cultures in a way that's like, that's the predominant culture that you're experiencing different from your own. Right, and therefore we don't understand each other's cultures, we don't know the same language of each other's cultures. And so we don't tend to want to be friendly with other people. And I think that that's part of our specific foreign policy. And I'm not sure why

Chase Russell 11:19  

people are afraid of the unknown. That's I think that's a lot of the issue that you're hitting on is people are afraid of the unknown. All right, everybody's terrified of something they don't understand or don't know. And then it's one thing that I, I'm very fortunate that I've been able to get out of the United States, I've been able to go experience other cultures, and I'm the type of person that when I get to another culture, I immerse myself in it and I become, I become whatever, you know, form you need to become because that's one respectful and to you're going to get a much better view of the culture. For instance, I, I was in Haiti, after the earthquake, I did a mission down to Haiti. And I speak I was learning French in high school, and I was very, I was really in love with learning French. So when I went down there, I didn't speak in English, I spoke nothing but French the entire time. And I was I think I was 17 at the time. And that's been just an amazing cultural change and shift in my life, just from that one trip that I did down there and got to, you know, you'd learn so much more about the people when you can connect with them. And I, I had never, I had never been to Haiti, I knew nothing about Haiti when I got there, other than they spoke French, and I easily became a Haitian. I'm not saying I am, but I'm just saying like, it was it was amazing. And it was fun. And they really accepted that. And they were really respectful. When I was in the Middle East. I was in Kuwait. And we went to the camel races. And the one thing I always want to talk to the kids, whenever I go to another place, I want to talk with the kids because kids get the most real perspective on everything. And you might not speak their language, but you know, even American kids, I can't understand half the things they're saying anyway, so it's just talking to kids, you know, and I've got two kids, I know how that goes down. But the point being is when you are accepting and respectful that that's what I think is lacking, it's just a matter of respect. It's a matter of just You're different from me you agree you don't agree with the things I agree with, or you might have grown up in a different culture but at least we have basic human things that make us the way we are. I mean, I have tons of friends that are different different ethnicities and me that grew up completely different from from me in the military. And a saying that we have in the military is there's there's no race in a foxhole, you know when it when push comes to shove, you're a man I'm a man, I don't care if you're gay, black, white, it doesn't matter. You got my door and all this together. And I was hoping and not to not to hit on the Coronavirus that much but I was I was thinking when Coronavirus hit. I was like maybe this is that one trigger that was going to be Hey, we're humanity. We're not Mexican, we're not European, we're not African. We're not African American. We're just human. I was hoping that it seems to me it seemed to go the opposite direction. But you know, sometimes, you know, faith goes that way.

Ari Gronich 14:22  

Well, you know, I think I think it is going the direction that you're saying I think it had to come to a certain head. You know, it's like it's like popping the pimple. You got to squeeze that sucker out of all its shit in order to get it clean. Right. And we can't do this race relation. We can't do this just hate policy in general, without pop in a few pimples without getting the shit out of the people who have it in them. And so I happen to have A hopeful point of view when it comes to what's gone on. Because I think that you have to destroy what is a little bit in order to make something new, just kind of a natural thing, you have a forest fire that burns down all the raw, you know, brush cleans, kind of for new growth, and allows for something new to pop up. And same way we needed the fires. I wish we didn't, you know, I wish the fire could be less physically painful. And emotionally. You know, I wish people would learn about other people. Right? So my background was, I'm Jewish, and Catholic, Peruvian Catholic. So very odd, right? Just a combination, you kind of got that? Well, it's two sides of guilt. Either way, you look at it. And then my parents lost their business when I was young. And they started practicing Buddhism to try to learn about this meditation thing, and mindfulness and stuff. And so they would take me, I'm nine years old, I'm going to practice Buddhism, I'm going to Hebrew school, I have the Catholic Church that I hear all over the place. And I meet this girl, and she lives on a reservation. And, you know, so I'm going to go hang out on the reservation, I'm going to study Indian and Native culture. And I get set. For me, it's such an odd thing, to not be curious about other people and how they feel and how they believe in what they believe in. Because when I put together all the pieces that I gather, it's like one jigsaw puzzle coming together versus when you just have that piece of your culture, you have an incomplete puzzle, that doesn't give you the right picture of what the world is. Right?

Chase Russell 17:05  

Yeah, no, I agree with that. I agree with that in the in the sense that, you know, I think if people were just more understanding, or you know, I think I think education really is the is a is a key to unlocking all of that kind of stuff is what you're saying right now is that, you know, you've had that you've had the fortunate, the fortunate, fortunate reality that you've been fortunate enough to really grasp a lot of cultures at a younger age and get that wisdom or that knowledge right off the bat. And I think what is lacking for Americans, for many people around the world, but I would target Americans the most is they don't understand that other people do it other ways. And they think that the way they do it is the only way to do it. And in you know, I'm not sitting here, bad mouthing Americans either. There are a lot of amazing Americans. But you know, if you really research into it, I use this example all the time, too. I talked to a lot of a lot of Christians, I talked to a lot of a lot of, you know, quote unquote, Christians that they just like Muslims, and having spent so much time in the Middle East, some of the best people I've ever met are Muslim. And there's a lot of people they've probably met veteran, amazing people that are probably Muslim, and they didn't even know it. conversations I've had at least 100 times I was like, have you ever read the Quran? No. You ever read the Bible? Well, pieces of it, but I've never read the Bible through and through I was like, so you're dead fast that you're correct on this, but you've never read the book that is written all about this. And you're telling me that you can't connect multiple different monotheistic religions. So the same thing, you know, people if they just under if they read the Quran, the crowds, an entire book of poems. It's an entire book of poems, and not to mention Muhammad was blind, deaf and mute. You know, he didn't even write the he didn't even write the Quran. But the point I'm getting at is it Muslims believe Jesus was real. You know, Christians believe Abraham was real. It's all in a timeline. It's all in the same thing. So it's, it's, it's amazing to me that we can as a Christian, or as a, you know, a Jew, you can just dislike an entire other religion when you don't even understand it.

Ari Gronich 19:22  

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me. And in fact, I think what you're kind of pulling on is that when we believe in something like if I'm a Christian, the predominant belief is that of love. And my question is, how can you love your neighbor as if he's your brother, if you also hate him? And then the other question is, can you hate and you turn that hate, which just is in my opinion, again, love Hate the same coin, different sides, but on it is awareness and the other is ignorance. Right? You love what you're aware of you fear what you're ignorant of. And so let me go to this. How do the policies that we've put into place further the agenda of divisiveness versus bringing people together in love versus the hate?

Unknown Speaker 20:29  

I don't think that policy's ever been about bringing people together. I mean, you can twist it, you know, the United States can twist it. However, they want to make it seem like it's humanitarian issue or this or that. If the US was really concerned about a humanitarian issue, they would be in Haiti right now, if there have been there, if they were really concerned about a humanitarian issue, they would be all over different places. But they're not they don't care. Not that they don't care. I'm not going to say that because I don't know. I'm not in their heads. But everything boils down to money, everything boils down to money, it boils down to and as a contractor, I realized that real quick, it boils down to who's going to get this contract who's going to make this money? How do we keep feeding this money? You know, and it's a military industrial complex, the policies are made to fund the military industrial complex. And if you don't, if you don't even have to look at the Department of Defense Department of State, you don't have to look at all of those things. It's all about power. You know, it's all about how do I control these resources? How do I control this region? Because I need something from it or anything like that. And I mean, it. Let's think about it this way. Again, look at the weekers in China. It goes back to that if we genuinely cared about people on a humanitarian issue Uighur Muslims are being slaughtered and sent to cotton. They're being sent to concentration camps. And it's public knowledge, like, but it's not getting any news. Well, it's not getting any news. The question is,

Ari Gronich 21:59  

is it public knowledge? And then the other question is, because it's not getting a news is, what does it take for the media? Do you think, for the media to begin telling the truth again, and I and I bring this to a to a specific reason, because I remember Walter Matthau. And I remember him saying, and that's the way it was. It wasn't math out wrong name. Walter Cronkite Walker. Yeah, Walter Cronkite, other guy. Anyway, Walter Cronkite. And that's the way it was, he would read the news, the policy of the government was that the news was not allowed to be for profit, it had to be a nonprofit division of that network. Because the policy was, if you are doing this as a for profit, you're going to only say the news that the for profit tells you to. So I look at the policies and I go, Okay, well, what are the policies? And I know you've done a lot of studying of of this specifically. So what are the policies that keep us divided? You don't have to go through all of them. But like, what are the systems? Let me go? What are the systems that are in place that keep us divided? And what do you think would be a mindset that would switch the people who are in leadership to a mindset of results versus the reaction to what is?

Chase Russell 23:54  

To answer your question, I mean, I'm not going to go into the exact specific bills that would probably be divisive, because that would take a very long time. However, one one thing that I've actually researched quite a bit and I'm a firm believer in is term limits. If you can take the incentive of career politicians away, and you don't have the lobbying Look, if you look at how much money is spent on just lobbying, lobbying the government if you had every two years you had to spend even more money to lobby a different candidate or a different you know, person. We would probably be in a lot better place it's it's effectively making your politicians work for you again, because politicians don't work for you. Okay, they don't work. It's for the people by the people as representative of the people. It's not real anymore. That's not a thing. Okay. It probably was never real to begin with. And 100% honest with you, it was probably never real to begin with. It was all about again, it goes back to the money aspect of it. money is spent on lobbying. There's a reason that people, there's a senator and I can't remember the exact name, but I wrote a report on them a long time ago. There's a senator that has been in the Senate for 46 years has never had a bill passed, explained to me how somebody can be in the Senate for 40 something years and never get a bill passed. He's never fostered a bill authored a bill. He's never done, it never gotten one passed. Okay, if you're an if that's not a waste of taxpayer funded money, I don't know what is okay. That's what the issue is, is we're just blowing money on things just because we can and if we don't, for instance, Okay, here we go. In the military. In the military, the way the budget works out, is if you don't use it, every Squadron or unit or Command gets a certain set amount of money, let's just for simplistic purposes, let's say a million dollars, if you don't use that entire million dollars, the next year, your budget gets cut. So what do you do on September 1, when the fiscal year ends, you blow your budget, is that I own a company, okay, I'm pretty good at finance, too. That's not good business. And then, you know, the further dividing, dividing thing is, it's incompetent, it's in direct competition on the private side of things. It's in direct competition with the private sector. If a government agency comes in, let's say, campsite, government agency comes in, they set up a campsite, and they're charging $2, because they're good, it's going to be subsidized by the government anyway, the private campsite down the road, can't match that they're going to lose money. So then the private campsite goes out, and all the taxpayer money is going into the private camps or the public campsite. It's just it's, it's it's a repetitive cycle of just nonsensical spending. Government that's wasteful. And then these politicians, they don't work for you, they don't care, they're going to get paid, or every single one of those politicians have been paid every senator, everyone's been paid this entire Coronavirus, your family and everybody might have been starving when they're getting paid. They didn't care they worked 86 days last year, you can look it up on, you can look it up on.gov on congress.gov, you can look at exactly how many days they were in session.

Ari Gronich 27:12  

Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm going to have a little disagreement about term limits. And with a caveat. Roosevelt is my caveat. The fact of the matter is, is that after four terms, he would have been elected again, because he was so good at what he was doing policy or no policy, whether you believe in it or not, like, you know, the New Deal, what whatever, he was so good at what he did, and so light that he was reelected again, and again. I think that people who are really good at their job, should not have to leave that job just because of an arbitrary term limit. However, if you're not doing your fucking job, you should not be doing your job. And here's the caveat to that is the people are too freaking busy, or lazy, or uninterested or an educated or whatever the case is, I don't know what the school system has done to civics to civil, you know, to a class about your civil and civic responsibilities. We used to have that in school when I was a kid. I don't see it regularly on a schedule nowadays, but we had this call of duty to our country because we were taught it. And so I don't think somebody should get the job just because they're the ones who keep going. And nobody else is really running after them of quality, because nobody's learned how to be a politician. But at the same time, you know, got to do your job people and us as the people have to be willing to hold them accountable. And that's the thing I don't think has happened in the last at least 40 years, is the people holding the politicians accountable. Because I think a lot of things are being done in secret. And so it's hard, hard to hold people accountable. When the policies that are being made like I'll give you an example here in Florida, there's a bill that was passed years ago. At the end of that beer bill, there's a paragraph about this big, so long bill, and at the end of that there's a little section that says it's now illegal, it's a felony to be a naturopathic doctor in Florida had nothing to do with anything else that was in That bill. And the only reason for it was because there's a lobby of a school that wanted to be the only school that gets to teach that particular profession here. So I guess what I'm saying is, there is people, and then there's government, right? Government is made up of people. And I hate it when people say the government, this the government that the government's doing out of control spending, the government's doing this, because it's not the government. It's the people who are running the government. And I think that that dichotomy that that separation of the cognitive dissonance of the government is this evil, big thing that's doing evil, big stuff. And the people are good, so the people should get the power back. Right? I think that that's a false comparison. Because we are the government, the government does not run without people. It would be a non thing.

Chase Russell 31:18  

So I agree with I agree with you in the sense that, you know, we we should be the government. But you know, let's go back to your your point about people are either too busy, or they're on educated or whatever it is, you know, there's multiple factors that go into this your school system, the education system in the United States, it's not meant to make you smart. It's not meant to make you That's why every you know, Ilan musk doesn't graduate high. That's why these people that think differently, they don't graduate college, they don't go to college, they don't, you know, they're under stimulated. You know, there's, there's hundreds of millions of kids that are on medications that they're meth, it's meth, I mean, let's be real about it. It's meth, it's an amphetamine. Okay? And they're, they're taking these and they're just getting drawn down and fogging into this, you know, system of be a good worker. And that's an old European system. Our education system is very old European system that's been used to train soldiers. Actually, if you look at the history of the education system, grades one through 12, the way we do it here in the United States, it's not meant to teach people I think there needs to be, I'm going down a rabbit hole on this one. Because there's so many points to hit on. But oh, no, no, that's fine. I do too. But I I've got going back to the education thing, though. People aren't taught to critically think people are not taught to solve problems. They're taught to follow instructions. I mean, think about everything you did in class, it was never, it was never, in this goes back to the 80s to the 90s. We're not you know, when I started school, the early 2000s. You were never given a problem and said, You know what, I'm not going to give you the directions to figure it out. You just got to figure it out. And that's what's wrong is most kids nowadays, and even when we were kids, I wasn't stimulated in school. I was good at school because I had to be because I, I enjoyed being good at things. And I could I, I'm not the person that can just fail at things. But I would go to school and I wasn't stimulated, my daughter's my daughter's the same way. She's eight, she goes to school and she can't just focus but you ask I she can literally recite exactly how GPS works. She literally knows what GPS stands for how it works and how it triangulates the whole night. She's extremely intelligent. But you know, you give her some basic math problem. And she's like, this is dumb, she doesn't find the purpose in it. And that's what's wrong is that you're not being taught to find your purpose. You're not being taught to find something that actually intrigues you. Whereas in history, it used to be like that we had great philosophers and stuff like that, that were taught to think critically. But that that hits on the education people are people are bombarded with with false information from the media, you don't know what to believe you have to dig and dig and dig and dig to find some relevant answer to your question, or find some policy and that is all by design. It's all by design. If you think for a second that all of these media outlets are not just trying to confuse you. And the education system is not just trying to make people dumb. They don't want smart people. Why would the education system want smart people they want a few smart people, but they don't want they don't want an entire population of smart people because the in this is a tobacco industry. RJ Reynolds This is exactly in their documents, the best consumers a dumb consumer. That's straight from their CEO. They want people to just follow instructions. That's why the education system was originally designed for the military. It was designed for the euro for a European country is a military tactic to train them to follow instructions. But I digress.

You know, people are too busy. They're not they're not looking at this and then the right mindset of, I need to know who I'm voting for what I'm voting for. I know, hundreds of people and I'm not against Biden, I'm not against you know, any type of political figure I'm, I'm for who's what's best for America. What I am for is people being educated on their vote. I know tons of people that say, I'm pro this pro this pro this and then they vote for somebody that is not what they're what they're saying they're pro for. And I and I just asked him, I was like, you know, why did you vote for them one for this one issue. And if that's the way you want to vote, that's okay. But don't be upset when the rest of the issues are not being met to your standard. And then, you know, you're not happy about it. I think go into the term limits thing, though. I agree with you that term limits are not an answer at all. It's, it's by far the answer to all it's a mixture. It's a combination of multiple things at once. My my number one point with the term limits is ending lobbying. How do you end lobbying, and the only logical response to that would be term limits. Now, we look at term limits in the sense that you've got two terms and it's done. What if you can, you know, alter that in a sense that you've got two terms, you have a set standard at any other job? Imagine if you were an intern at the end of your internship, they're going to do a review board with you or at a job the first six months or 90 days or where they're going to do a review board with you. How did you do? Okay, you did pretty well, you passed XYZ bill. You know, okay, now you can run for another term, or no, you're you didn't meet your and that's gonna incentivize those senators to be like, Hey, you know, let's get this going. Let's work together. Let's, you know, because you want to get reelected. I want to get reelected. Let's work for our constituents. And I think it's forcing them to spend more time with their constituents. I mean, look at the Nancy Pelosi situation, for instance, during Coronavirus, everything's closed down, she's getting her hair done. It's rules for the and not for me. And that's what and that's why and let's hit on your government point for a second when people say I agree with you on that, that. People look at the government as an entity, and they don't look at the government as individuals that work for them, the government works for you. Not the other way around, the government doesn't get to tell you what to do, when to do it, how to do it. So the government works for you. And as an entity, if you look at them as an entity, it looks like a huge organization. But it's just a bunch of people that you fund that you pay their salaries, and they should be working for you. But with that being said, also, you know, you've got to really get a connection with your government that we need a we need a foster an environment that should be connected to their politicians that should be trusting their politicians, and not just trying to get a vote. We need to hold politicians accountable for things they say during campaigns that they don't follow through with I mean, how many times on the campaign trail, did Biden say he's going to give out free health care? Or he's going to give out a nice way to relieve college debt? And then he does it. And then he got your vote, though. That's fraud. Is that not fraud? That's the definition of fraud.

Ari Gronich 38:27  

Technically, truth in advertising does not relate to politicians. The truth and advertising Act does not relate to politician advertisements, which is really weird. But I don't know if the truth and advertising act is actually in effect, if there's anybody actually looking at that. And regulating it because we have a law that says truth in advertising. So you must tell absolutely the truth in all of the advertising that happens. And

Chase Russell 39:05  

yeah, but telling the truth, telling the truth and telling the truth and leaving out the truth. There are two different things. That's that's I mean, if you look at advertising itself, from a corporate standpoint, you can omit the truth. You just can't say actively against the truth. And there's so many ways you can word that to the legalities to get around that type of thing. And it's the same thing with with politicians. What I'm saying is is not necessarily making an illegal battle with politicians. I'm saying it's fraud, because it is the definition of fraud. However, whether it's going to be prosecuted as fraud, that's a completely separate story. What I'm saying is, is that people need to be more cognitive and not accept that what it is, is people are just accepting because that's just the way it's been. It's just a constant barrage, but it goes back to the education system. That's what they're taught to do. Right. That's what they're taught. Do just follow the directions, okay? If I'm my politician just completely lied to me and he got my vote. It's fine. That's what I'm told to do. You know, that's the let's look at I'm not anti mask, let's not play this, I, you know, I'm not gonna go down that route. But you know, the masks situation, I believe in personal freedoms, if you don't want to wear a mask, you know, okay, that's fine. If you do want to wear a mask, that's fine. If you do, I am a person that believes in personal decisions with people. Now, once they affect other people, then that's a different story. But you need to be held accountable for the thing that's America's gotten away from it's just being held accountable. And it starts with the politicians. They're not held accountable for anything.

Ari Gronich 40:43  

Yeah, but it doesn't start with the politicians, I think, because I'll give you an example. My brother's a school teacher. And his biggest issue is not with the kids, it's with the parents, because the parents don't hold their kids accountable. So if the kids aren't held accountable from that early age, they don't learn it to hold anybody else accountable. Right. So when the standards have become so low, like this country used to have the highest of standards, we wanted to be the best at everything. And then we got there. And we said, okay, we're done. Yeah, let's, let's do something different and redo all of our, you know, the things that got us there.

Chase Russell 41:35  

So here's the question, What changed? I mean, let's let's hit on the school topic for many years, or let's hit on the the children topic, because I'm obviously you know, I'm a father so that that's a route that I go down.

Ari Gronich 41:47  

Yeah. So in, I think it was the early 80s. The school, the standardized testing, became a little bit more important for the schools funding. So the school the money, yeah, so the schools decided that they needed to teach you enough to get you to answer a test, but not enough to retain the information. Right, the system itself, as a whole, began to regulate themselves towards a standardized test of information that 100% affected the funding of that school. And so you weren't taught critical thinking or how to think for yourself, because they needed to drill information into you enough that when they gave you the test, at the end of that week, you still remembered it, even though by the next Monday, I think it's somewhere around 80% loss of comprehension and retention of that information. And so my brother's his old teacher, as I said, and he's been rewriting the system to kind of make it more results oriented. But when we do that, we stopped critical thinking we stopped common sense, we stopped solution oriented conversations. And so now it's not, how do you find that answer out? It's, here's the problem. What's the answer? And that's it. Right? We used to have to

Chase Russell 43:30  

think, do you think that that has had an effect on the way we communicate as as Americans? Do you think that the fact that you can't critically think okay, if I come to you for for instance, you just said a minute ago, hey, I disagree with you on this, I sat back, I said, Okay, let's listen to your point of view, I critically thought about it, I can retain that information. I can pick and choose what I need from that information, and then make a decision on my own. So the fact that the schools are teaching you to this is a get to be take test. Do you think that in the same sense, that that is affected the where we are now in America today, where you can't you can agree to disagree. That's, that's one of my main things is like you can't agree to disagree. That's an issue. You should be I should be able to sit right across the table from somebody that is completely opposite of me. And I value that conversation more than somebody that agrees with me. However, in today's society, and especially with the generations coming up is they've been just so fostered. And and you say in the 80s, so let's say you know, parents that went to school in the 80s and started that system, now have kids, and those kids are now going to the system. So those kids are getting it at school, and now they're getting at home. It's the first generation after this shift that you're talking about. And that's why in America we have such a political divide and there's no gray area for discussion. Everything is black or white, and I don't think anything is black and white. I think there's a gray area for everything. But that's my point on what you're saying. I didn't mean to cut you off, by the way.

Ari Gronich 45:10  

Oh, no, no, this is this is all about your show. No, I'm asking you questions. I value your opinion, I want I want that I want the conversation, the conversation to me is the most valuable part of, of any exploration, right? So my mom's a teacher. My dad's not a teacher, my brother's a teacher. But I was always taught in life. Question everything. Not in a disrespectful way. Like, why am I doing that? Mom? You know, like, I'm not quite, it's not that it's what is the cause? What is the purpose? What is the intention? what's, what is the root of this issue? And because I was taught that kind of thinking from an early age, everything that has come after goes through the lens. So, you know, I'll never say that I'm not racist. Right? Why? Because I know that if I critically look at my brain, right, I have innate reactions to things that are different, that are not conscious, their subconscious there in the background. And until I reveal that one thought, or that set of thoughts, I'm not in full knowing of who I am. So I can't rule any part of me out. Or say I am this, and that's what I am. Right? I can only say I am a work in progress. I am me, I'm a person. And so I can't understand that whole thing about hate,

Chase Russell 46:59  

and race. And my question with that, though, would be is is, you know, you say, I've never gonna say I'm not a racist. But if you have one of those thoughts or something like that, does that inherently make you racist? Or do that just give you a racial bias? I think that's a question. I think racism is I think we're mis mis judging the word racism for just a racial bias.

Ari Gronich 47:25  

I don't think it's a racial either. Neither is positive, right, by any means. And I don't think it's necessarily that but I was having a conversation a little bit ago with with somebody who used to be the president of her Black Lives Matters area where she lives. And I asked her a question, I was sitting in the shower One morning, meditating, as the water was pouring over me and I had this thought, and the thought was, people are scared of the dark. Is that why people are scared of black people? That was just the thought that popped in my head. It was questioning, people are scared of the dark at night is when people think all bad things happen. noises anything that's that's gonna getcha happens. Right? in the dark. in ignorance. In you know, we say ignorance is being in the dark. In the light is illumination is information as knowledge is some you know, so my inherent bias thought was, are we primal, the primal nature of the reptilian part of our brain? Are we designed to be afraid of dark? And is that a Bible thing is that a good bad thing is that everything that's good is white, everything bad is black. I mean, we've been trained with that our whole lives. If you look at cartoons from when we were kids, you know, the bad guy was always in black. The good guy was always white, right? So I was curious as to inherent bias, genetically training bias, like how our parents taught, taught us and it in general. But I notice that as much as I like to think of myself as an evolved human being who I've dated, outside my culture, my roommate for a while, was a Palestinian woman, who was like a sister to me, you know, and she and I would have amazing conversations. And so I also know that when I look at like Israeli Palestinian conflict, as much as I can be objective about what's going on, I still I still have a little bias, it's still and we don't know enough information to not have those in inherent biases act out. Like people know that Israel's been bombing, you know, Palestine, right. Yeah. lately. People know that Palestine kind of started it. But the result inequity is so great. Right. But they don't know what's going on in the background. They don't know about the water shortage in Palestine. And and, you know, they don't know about maybe some of the issues they don't know about some of the issues in Israel. They don't know, for instance, that there's 1.9 million Palestinians and Muslims living in Israel pretty peacefully and happily alongside each other. Yeah. And so they don't see that. So there's a inherent bias. And I hear it a lot with this conversation of either that the Israelis are this evil force that needs to be eradicated. Or they're this good, right. But those kind of black and white conversations is exactly against what you just talked about the shades of grey, the nuance. So how do we get the nuance out there so that people can get a sense of what reality is, versus those inherent biases?

Chase Russell 51:22  

Yeah, I mean, there's a, like I said, there's a gray area and everything, everything, there's a theory of gravity, I tell you, right now, if I dropped this water, right, now, it's going to hit the ground. But it's still a theory you don't know. Okay, you don't know every nobody will never know every aspect of the Palestinian Israeli conflict, they're not going to, they're not going to be able to see it. Plus, it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell. So even if you tried to research it as much as you possibly could, unless you have first hand knowledge of it, you're not going to understand it, you're not going to get the whole picture of it. The point being, and you just set it yourself is you got to change your own mindset about it, you got to change, you got to think about things in a different mindset. You cannot think about things black and white. And that's the number one factor is what's wrong is we've gotten to a point it goes back to the education system, it goes back to the way we are, we're raising up and training our children. To not objectively think about things you you detailed the scientific theory a minute ago, you detailed it, the who, what, when, why where How is this happening in? You're not questioning it? But you're theorizing you're building a hypothesis on whatever it is? That's not a question. It is a question, but it's not like it's not a smart aleck question. It's a question on I want to understand this. And I'm going to build a scientific theory. And that's the way you got to start looking at things when you're when you're dealing with this. And you have to object in it. It's there's so much information being slammed at people these days that you could spend every waking second running hypothesis on different things between the stock market or why the government is this or why this is happening. You could do it all day. You really could. And that's what the you know, since the 80s. Now to is it's just been a barrage of information that's been thrown at us. But to answer your question directly, you have to look at things as if there was a gray area, because there is a gray area. There's there's nobody the Israelis are not right, there's really choosing they're not right, the Israeli Palestinians are not right. Or the Israeli Muslims are not right there. The Palestinians are not ready, you know, Iran funding the Palestinians is not right, the US funding, Israel is not right. Okay, there's no right or wrong, there is just facts, and you get to make the determination on that. And once you start thinking about everything in your life, objectively, it stopped being so factual and so dead set on one answer to a question then you're never going to grow. That's what's wrong is we're not growing as people we're not becoming more intelligent as a people because we weren't taught to critically think first off. And it takes it took me I'm not gonna lie to you. I didn't think critically for a very long time. And the older I've gotten now, the more I The more I look at things very critically as if there's a gray area, but there are still a very large multitude of people who have never left it goes back to that you've never left the United States, you've never seen anything different. So you just think the way you do it as the way it is.

Unknown Speaker 54:32  

And then

Chase Russell 54:35  

you got to start thinking about things critically. That's that's the key to it, is just think about it like a scientific theory. Yeah.

Ari Gronich 54:42  

I love when people say this is the most beautiful country in the world who have never been outside of the country.

Chase Russell 54:48  

Because there's a lot of amazing things about the United States. I've been to some very bad places have been some very good places. There's good and bad about every place. Oh yeah.

Ari Gronich 54:57  

I mean, I'm just saying like, we have these beautiful majestic mountains. But have you ever seen the rainbow mountains in Peru? Or Yeah, equias Falls, you know, like, everywhere This planet is such a beautiful place. And I just like there's a part of me that just wants to say, feel free to roam around the planet, like when you're on a plane, feel free to roam around the plane, you know, take off your seat belts roam around, feel free to roam around this planet and learn about people learn about yourself, learn about cultures, because that's the juice of life. That's the color that life brings. And, you know, we're talking about critical thinking, and common sense. But the other part I want to bring up with that is the butterfly effect. And how do people begin to kind of play chess with their life and look at if I do this move? What's gonna happen, the 20 moves down the line, you know, if I poison the water, for instance, like today with one bottle, and then 20 more people come tomorrow? And then 100 more people like, what's the butterfly effect? What's the ripple effects of our actions? And how does that affect long term. And that's another part that with philosophy and philosophers that has kind of left the building, in a way everything is what's the immediate effect, the fast food effect, is what I call it.

Chase Russell 56:33  

We as a society, especially in America, we become so used to instant gratification, you can post a picture up, you get 1000 likes you get there is a lot of psychology, and I'm not a psychology major by but I've studied it quite a bit. There's a lot of psychology on the social medias impact on on young children, and it's positive and negative. Everybody knows there's positive and negative motivation. And if you look at suicide rates, for young girls, they're through the roof. Why? Because they're posting pictures, and they're not getting likes. And it's, it's it's deteriorating them from the inside out. There's so much instant gratification that just happens in the United States. And once you start getting that instant gratification, it's very hard to slow things down. Imagine if we all had to go back to dial up. Imagine if imagine that, imagine if we all had to go back to dial up.

Ari Gronich 57:30  

Yeah, it would ruin

Chase Russell 57:32  

it would ruin us. But you know, 2030 years ago or whatever, none of us had anything but dial up. And then before that we didn't even have the internet. So it's hard to it's hard to reverse. It's hard to reverse change. It's hard to reverse innovation. Sometimes though, you need to reverse it, you need to reverse the instant gratification, it might seem good at the time, but it's not, it's not going to end very well. And it starts with that long term thinking and it it needs to be fostered by a form of wisdom. In a sense, it needs to be somebody or a group of people or it overall as a society, we need to foster a culture of wisdom, it's we need to foster that it's cool, or that it's popular or that there's a social norm, or perception to be intelligent is a good thing. What we've done as a society along with the social media is foster the Kim Kardashian ins and foster a society that favors the catch me outside girl, I don't know her name. But you know, that type of that's what that's what people are aspiring to be. And that's not that's not good. And it doesn't create a very forward thinking position for our culture in our society. And as far as that goes, I mean, look at look at debt. This is another this is gonna go down another avenue of how bad we've become as a culture for instant gratification. The credit card comes out the debt, the United States personal debt increases by like, I think it's 72% more every year, year over year 72% more And granted, take into account, you know, population increases, but it doesn't account for it would still be a 50 to 51% increase even with population, but people want everything now. They want it now. And that's good. I mean, it's good for a company because you know, you capitalize on the consumer, but it's not good for your mindset. It's not good for your mentality.

Ari Gronich 59:51  

The Wisdom is the key to that because you know, as you're saying, like Tick tock, for instance, you could be a tick tock millionaire like that. Right, but whether you know what to do with that money that you just made off the minute video of you flashing your your moves to, you know, a song that is popular at the time, and you get a million views and made money, oh my goodness, what?

Chase Russell 1:00:18  

Now what people don't people don't a lot of I'm not gonna say all people because that's a generalizing term, but there's a vast majority and a very overwhelming push in the United States and all over the world for that matter. That doesn't think long term, they don't they see money, you know, that's why most NFL players are most people that win the lottery, they go broke instantly why, you know, you can give a lot of people money, I can, you know, if I had a million dollars sitting in the bank that I just gave to somebody, that doesn't make them easily gonna go and be successful, because they're gonna blow it, if they don't have the right mindset, if they haven't educated themselves and the wisdom to what to do with it. And they're certain people, if I gave a million dollars to he would come back in or she would come back in a year, and I would have $10 million, you know, we need to create a society that values education, and that starts back again, with the education system, it it all boils back down to you need to you want to educate people, but we don't want to educate people, right, we want people to be done. And that keeps an elite power. And you know, that keeps a very select few that are educated and that do understand this and power.

Ari Gronich 1:01:31  

And this goes that goes back to the church, not wanting people to read because you know, you could only go through go to God through the the priest. That was back in the dark ages. But that was what that was what it was, is keep keep people ignorant, so that they don't know how to read that

Chase Russell 1:01:49  

even even even during Martin Luther, what you know, when the Protestant movement happened, that they didn't want people to read, they wrote the Bible, they wouldn't translate the Bible from Hebrew because they didn't want them to read it in English.

Ari Gronich 1:02:00  

Exactly. And then going out going coming back to, you know, us, right, the beginning, women couldn't learn, they weren't allowed to go to college, they weren't allowed to, you know, go to schools and things like that, obviously, you know, any race other than the white people, the British people now had had that. But we're going to finish this up with the end of this conversation. And that is the business side of life. Because you're 27, almost year old, who owns an airline company that now has, I believe, 12 in its fleet, you're driven your goals. I mean, you know, running for Florida, to be your Florida representative. I mean, you have these massive goals. And so what I was hoping that you'd be able to break down a little bit into small bite sized chunks, is the mindset that you use to come out of a war and go into a business and become an entrepreneur. And then the little mindset steps that you think people could use if they're looking and wanting to create a new tomorrow for themselves and activate their vision for a better world.

Chase Russell 1:03:28  

Yes, so I mean, coming out of the I wasn't always the person, I was in normal. I was a normal person, like I was a normal kid straight at high school. join the military, the military was an amazing thing. For me, it taught me It got me to see a lot of places, I got to see a lot of very bad places. A lot of places I don't really want to go back to. But I what really was a changing factor for me was being able to say there's negative motivation and positive motivation, but they're both moving forward. So taking anything that could happen to you negatively, and just using it as a positive, anything that could happen you positive taking it also as a positive. And using that so you know, when I was getting out of the military, I just took its little steps, you said it yourself. It's just the little steps, get a plan and take one step at a time. And before you know it you're you're going and going and going and going and going and it just doesn't stop and then while you're on that journey, you're simultaneously fixing yourself or you're simultaneously working on yourself. You might be in an amazing spot you might be in the best mindset of your life. But you can always get better and always having the humility and always having the just the the drive and desire to want to be better. And realizing Hey, I'm messing up here. I need to fix this. I need to fix that to having a mentor having some type of person To check you is always an amazing thing to have. And just really being able to look in the mirror and say, You know what, that's not what I want my life to be, I can't tell you how many times I sat and I was stuck in Kuwait. And I was like, I don't, this isn't what I want my life to be, you know, you got to picture yourself being better than you are every single day. And then you've got to outwork yourself. So when I, when I sat there and looked at myself, that's not where I want to be I it just started fostering this, every day I woke up, that's not where I want to be. Let's get to the next spot. Let's get to the next spot is far as starting the airline,

Ari Gronich 1:05:42  

I'm going to I'm going to stop you for a second. So there's two points that I want to make. Number one, he said, Make a plan. That was the first thing he said. So for the audience, making a plan is the one thing that most do not do. They set a goal, but not a plan to go with the goal. Right? He said a new year's resolution, but not an action step to go with it. So what chase just said is, number one, make a plan. The other thing that he said was, once you make that plan, start acting on it. And your goal is to challenge yourself to be better than you were yesterday, not to be better than anybody else. This is my caveat not to be better than anybody else not to you have no competition, other than yourself. And with your previous version of you that day. So I just wanted to kind of illustrate your two points back to the business yet,

Chase Russell 1:06:45  

no good thing you did, because I can ramble. But, you know, starting the business. And by the way, we have we're licensing to jazz we're doing a capital raise right now for the the rest of the jets that we're going to be adding to our fleet. But I just wanted to clarify that. Okay, um, so,

Unknown Speaker 1:07:08  

you know,

Chase Russell 1:07:09  

I thought starting airlines a huge that's a huge goal. And you're in your what you were just saying a minute ago is you gotta have a plan and have that goal. And you got to start building a plan that starts with the one step at a time, just build the plan, build a plan, even if you don't know the plan, there was a lot of things I didn't know, there's a lot of things right now, I don't know. But that goes back to the building yourself and building a an environment around you building an environment within you, that says, hey, I don't know this, but I have I have the confidence in myself, I have the discipline, I have the drive, I have the determination to just really teach myself as much as possible. I have no formal I do now because I've been doing it. But when I started this I have, I had no formal business training, nobody in my family and my business, nobody my family have ever went to college, nobody in my family even graduated high school. So it's it's you can come from anything you want. As long as you have the determination, you have the world of information at your fingertips, people can discover gravity can sail around the world can do all of the things that they did prior to the internet. And all of that information plus millions more amounts of information is in your hands. So while you're scrolling, tick tock or scrolling Facebook, or whatever you're doing, if you want something bad enough, and you spent that hour 234, even eight hours scrolling on Facebook and put it towards learning something, you're going to become pretty good at it very quickly. And you're going to learn very quickly. And that's what I tell people all the time, like, Oh my god, I can't believe you taught yourself all this. It's don't it's not an Oh my God, I'm not a genius. I'm not, you know, I'm not anybody special. I just took the time and and had the determination to teach myself something, saying that's what it boils down to.

Ari Gronich 1:09:04  

So I'm gonna I'm gonna add one to the determination. So we've got plan, action steps, we've got determination, I'm going to add one two for you. And that's resilience. and resilience is probably one of the most important pieces to being an entrepreneur, and to making a difference in the world in general, because you're going to get kicked you're going to make have missteps, you're going to have things that get in the way. And your ability to be resilient and bounce back is always the most important thing. One of my sayings is, if you're not dead, it ain't over. So you're not done. I tell people, you can't fall off the wagon. You're not on a wagon, you're in life, you're in a body you're in until you're dead, you're still on and so at any moment at Second, at any millisecond, you can make a decision and a choice to change the course of your life forever. And that is really awesome. That

Chase Russell 1:10:15  

No, I agree with that 100% the resilience side of things in that kind of goes back to my there's positive motivation, negative motivation, you know, something bad happens to you just look at it like, okay, cool, something bad happened to me, that's going to motivate me to do better take a different route or take a different path, you know, whatever it is. And if something positive happens to you celebrate it for a minute, move on to the next thing, you know, and the more you start to celebrate the negatives, the more you're going to start to realize that they're not really negative. That's what's crazy about it is the more you stop looking at things negatively, and the more you start building a positive mindset and manifesting what you want in your life. And you start saying, you know what, that didn't go the way I wanted, but I learned something, you know, there's a mill, for instance, my company, we did a sales strategy, my first, you know, draft of my sales strategy. It was terrible, absolutely terrible. And I spent so much time on it. And I worked and I stressed and I, and at the end of it, I was like, This isn't gonna work. I went to my mentor, he's like, this is terrible, and good for him. You know, I'm very fortunate to have people that do that for me. But it was it was terrible. And I was so upset. I was like, I can't believe I spent so much time on this, but and it's terrible. But it led me to an even better strategy. And it led me to rethink and relook at things and hypothesize and question and have a general gray area. And I wasn't so certain on one thing, that I was blinded by by everything else. And that's, you know, you got to look at it as a positive. And even if it's a negative, it's still positive, because you will learn something.

Ari Gronich 1:11:53  

Yeah. So here's where I'm going to just kind of add a guess, again, is, with the gray area, we've been talking a lot about gray area, and there being no black and white. And here would be my caveat for for people in general, the audience to think about is nuance lies in the gray area. But your decision lies in black or white, the gray areas, the fence that you gather your information on, but it's not the fence that you want to hang your hat on. You you get the information, and then you make a decision one way or another. And then you just go Okay, did that work? Did it not work? Why? Why did it work? Why did it not work? So you can you can have the Meier decision,

Chase Russell 1:12:43  

your decision should be fluid, I think to to add to that, I think your decision should be fluid, you know, it's like writing a paper, a research paper, you know, you've read out this rough draft, and you just throw all your all your ideas on a piece of paper, right. And then once you read the final report, you know, a year from now, that final report might need to be revised, which is why in most news articles, there's amendments, there's all kinds of things, you know, it's the same thing, you've written all your ideas down, that's your gray area, take that information, make a decision. And then, you know, you need to be subject to altering that decision, too. Don't be so dead set.

Ari Gronich 1:13:18  

Always reassess you know, and as a person who trains Olympic athletes, right? When I come up with a plan, we've got six months for you to get to where you need to be in competition, how we're going to do that we're going to create the plan, it's going to be a six month plan. But every marker, we retest, we reassess are we meeting? Are we meeting our goal? Are we meeting our goal? are we are we not? Oh, what what are we what do we need to do to get back to where we are meeting our goal? Because the competition is there, you don't have a choice on the time, right? You just got to do what you got to do to get there. And that's the same thing with business. And so if anybody in the audience here wants to go take a private flight with you, how can they get ahold of you?

Chase Russell 1:14:06  

So yeah, on the business side of things, you can go over to Russell Russell air charter.com, you can find us on Facebook, at Russell aviation and on Instagram at Russell aviation as well. And then I'm on LinkedIn, Chase, Russell, feel free to connect with me. I love chatting with people and getting to know other people and their stories. Awesome. Is

Ari Gronich 1:14:25  

there anything else that you'd like to leave the audience with?

Chase Russell 1:14:29  

Um, you know, just, if you're looking to start something, and you think, wow, that's way too big, or that's way too big of a goal, or you're looking at somebody else, your neighbor, your friend, your buddy, your wife, ex wife, whatever it is, and they're doing better than you in life. Don't think like that. Your life is your life and you get to live it the way you live it. Nobody's on the same timetable. Okay, just because I'm 26 and I'm starting this or someone's 46 and they're starting something else that doesn't make anybody any different. It's just a matter of taking the time the mindset and growing yourself. And I think people that take the time to grow themselves and grow and foster a mindset of self motivation. Those are normally the people that that have the positive things come at them when they're not even doing anything. That's one thing I've learned since starting this business is, you know, if you put out a positive energy, you're gonna get a lot more positive energy tenfold back.

Ari Gronich 1:15:33  

Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for being here. It was, it was a pleasure to have you on, I know that the conversation does not always take the prescribed route. But But as long as as long as the audience gets, you know, tips and tricks and ways to move forward, I'm a happy camper. So I really appreciate the deep conversations versus surface one. So thank you so much for helping me to create a new tomorrow, and activate people's visions for a better world, so that we can all live the life of our dreams. Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate it. Thanks so much for having me. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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Chase Russell 0:00  

What you're saying right now is that, you know, you've had that you've had the fortunate, the fortunate, fortunate ality you've been fortunate enough to really grasp a lot of cultures at a younger age and get that wisdom or that knowledge right off the bat. And I think what is lacking for Americans, for many people around the world, but I would target Americans the most is they don't understand that other people do it other ways. And they think that the way they do it is the only way to do it. And you

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We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Claudia garbutt, all the way from Germany. She is a molecular biologist turned mindset coach for ambitious mission driven entrepreneurs who want to shatter invisible ceilings and create more inner peace, income and impact without sacrificing their health relationships or happiness. Welcome, Claudia, why don't you tell us a little bit more about you? And how, how you became a molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, you know, this is this takes some explanation.

Claudia Garbutt 0:53  

says, Well, hello, and thank you so much for having me. And yeah, so this, this story is a little bit like, like a criss cross. So I never thought I would be an entrepreneur, I was no one of those people who knew exactly that they wanted to become an entrepreneur. So I really surprised myself here. also kind of ironic, because the thing that I hated most growing up was public speaking, especially in English. And here we are. So how do we get there? Well, after I finished university, all I wanted to do was this half as nice, comfortable job that was fulfilling, but paid well. And that left me enough time to enjoy my life. But guess what, as it turns out, it wasn't that easy to find a job like that. And I studied biology because I was driven by my curiosity, I wanted to understand how life works on every level. And this is still one of my major driving forces for my curiosity, I guess.

But I've shifted my focus slightly. So I've had a couple of key experiences that's slowly but steadily shifted my direction and my focus. So the first one was definitely when I got diagnosed with leukemia at the age of 28. And this pretty much turned my life upside down from one day to the next. And I still very clearly remember my first reaction to that diagnosis, which strange as it may sound, was a sense of relief. And that was weird, right? Because at that point, I mean, who gets the diagnosis of a potentially deadly illness and things, huh. At that point in my life, I was just suffering from a major burnout. And being sick finally gave me the break that I was looking for. And to understand that, you have to know that I grew up in a family where everyone was always busy and working very, very hard. And you didn't just take a break, you know, breaks were for the lazy for the elderly, or well for the sick. And so I finally had the right excuse. If you want to take a break without feeling guilty about it, at least if you want to call going through chemotherapy a break. And it sounds so weird when I say that out. But that's often the case, when you talk about the things that hold us back from doing the sensible things, right. They make perfect sense in our heads. But when we actually talk about them, they sound ridiculous.

Ari Gronich 3:37  

You know, it's funny, because I would have from like age seven to 24, I would have died for a proper diagnosis, I would have, I would have been so happy that I got a proper diagnosis instead of you know, the years of not knowing what the symptoms were not knowing why they were not knowing how to fix them. So I totally understand, you know, the sigh of relief, when you actually know something is actually wrong with me. I'm not just making it up in my head. It's an actual thing. And now I can do something about that actual thing versus just, you know, throwing darts on a dartboard trying to figure it out. So I totally get that. But yeah, the most probably not a lot of fun.

Claudia Garbutt 4:32  

No, it wasn't. It wasn't fun at all. But it made me aware of the pattern that I was stuck in. And I think probably for the first time in my entire life. I just really had the time to think about things and I started to really question those beliefs that I grew up with. Like was it really necessary to work 24 seven, or is struggled noble or do I really have to fulfill everything anyone else's expectations. And it's just when you have something like a near death experience, this changes a lot, right? Suddenly you start quest, start asking the right questions, the ones that are really important, like, do I like my life right now? Or do I like the direction in which I'm going? Or what would I actually what would I regret regret not having done if I died right now?

Ari Gronich 5:27  

Yeah, I think the audience can, could relate to that. I think that, that probably 99.99999% of all human beings have things that they absolutely know they should be doing, and yet can't get themselves to do any of them.

Claudia Garbutt 5:47  

Yeah, it's, it's so easy to fall back into old habits, especially when you're stressed and you don't pay close attention. So I knew that at that point in my life, I needed to leave a toxic work environment, I needed to leave a toxic relationship. And I wanted to do, I wanted to find something that fulfills me. So I just for myself, I knew that in order to beat the cancer, I had to define those goals, and I had to take action. And that's what I did. So as soon as I got out of the hospital, I started to slowly but surely break up that toxic relationship. So I left the toxic work environment. And then I applied for a scholarship at the end of the world, in New Zealand. So I went to the other side of the world, I left everything behind, and I basically started a new chapter in my life, but then it was still You can't leave yourself behind. And then when you get to that place, and you think you have done so much, you get stressed again, and you fall back into old habits,

Ari Gronich 6:57  

it's really hard to to distinguish who we are from what we do. You know, like, I noticed that when when anybody really introduces themselves when you say Who are you? I am a chiropractor, I am a you know, therapist, I am a construction worker, it's never I am this, I am me, who does this thing, right? It's always I am that. So, you know, maybe that's part of what makes it so difficult to shift is the identity that that you place within that, you know,

Claudia Garbutt 7:34  

absolutely, like shedding your old skin or like, something like that, it's and you don't know, you're vulnerable, you don't know what's coming next. It was it was really, it was quite terrifying, to be honest. And the conclusion I finally reached was that the best option for me would be to build my own online business, because it allowed me to work flexible hours, and I would be location independent. And because my husband is from New Zealand, and we still he still has all his family on that side of the planet. And we moved back to Germany, so we were never quite sure where we would end up. Just having this flexibility is huge.

Ari Gronich 8:19  

That's, that's awesome. So let me ask you a few questions. I'm gonna I'm going to take this in weird directions probably so and just just letting you know, that that we might go off on some interesting tangents, but biology of, say a virus, right? We've kind of gotten to the place where we we've accepted in science that viruses are not alive. They're not living things. So how does a virus attack an immune system? If it's not living? Because most things that attack us are the things that are living? And have you heard the theory that viruses are all exosomes that are just part of our body anyway. And so I'm just kind of, I just wanted to, like said it's off on a little bit of a tangent, but I just wanted to check to see what what your thought is on that.

Claudia Garbutt 9:32  

I never heard of that. And I've also never really thought about it. So good question. I think the way it works is because we all have like DNA is sort of so the genetic code works universally. So if they if the virus attacks itself, it inserts its its genetic material, and if it's active inside yourself Well, then it's translated into proteins. And that starts a whole cascade. So it doesn't really have to be a living organism. But if you think about your genetic code as a

Ari Gronich 10:10  

book, it basically inserts a chapter into this book, in such a mode of fear these days, because they don't understand because nobody is actually telling them the truth of what these things are. And so like, like, mindset, becomes this mindset of fear, this mindset of lack this mindset of isolation, rather than a mindset of I know what's happening, and I know the kind of the timeline that it's going to take for this to go. And, you know, there's not a lot of logic going on with, with people's experience of what's happening now, including, especially the news and media and all that stuff. And so I'm just kind of, like, how do we match because one to match the fear with reality, right? and lack of fear with reality. So this is just a way to, to bring that mindset into the molecular biology a little bit and what's going on right now. Because you've had to pivot quite a bit, I think, since this whole pandemic, right?

Claudia Garbutt 11:17  

Yeah, I've never worked with viruses. I've worked with bacteria, a lot of work with human cell lines and animal cell lines and that kind of stuff. I've worked on projects that were so it was basic research, or the last project I worked on was basic reach research into neurodegenerative diseases and figuring out what's going on in diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and that kind of stuff. So that was my area of research, or medical interactions between medic different medicines. So if you have an adverse drug reaction between different drugs, that kind of thing. So it was quite a shift.

Ari Gronich 12:07  

Absolutely. So you've moved into this world of, as we talked about earlier, homeschooling your kids, and doing this online thing. So give us kind of like, what's been your year like, in a nutshell, like, what's, what's this transition look like? And then what is the mindset that you had to have in order to do this whole mess without, like, pulling your hair out? Because you already had the chemo? So you know, you didn't want the hair out? So I just had it, how did you get through all of this with a mindset that, that you have, which is so positive, and I mean, you know, anybody who's talking to you or watching this right now can see in your eyes, the amount of joy that you exude in what you're doing? So,

Claudia Garbutt 13:02  

questions, I think when it all started last year, I was exactly at the point where I had just figured out exactly what I wanted to do and an offer, like, I had finally found what I wanted to do, and then the pandemic hit. Okay, is it wise to start all this right now at this point in time? And then I thought, Why? What do I have to lose? There's nothing I have to lose. So why don't go one go for it. And the last year has been really, really crazy, because we also started a huge side project. So a friend of ours, and so my husband and a friend of us. Together, we bought this huge three story house. It's an old house, and we've been remodeling to turn it into three flats. Well, anyway, it's a huge project, a huge renovation project. And it all happened at the same time. So we started homeschooling, we started this building project on the side, I started building my business. And then I also started building my podcast. So it was all happening in the same time. And had you asked me before, if it was possible, to do all that, while at the same time, still go for a run every day have some time to like alone time for my sanity, I would have said No way.

Ari Gronich 14:27  

Anything else that you'd like to share? We were going to wrap this up because I know you've got to go. But anything else that you'd like to quickly share anything that you're doing in the world that you'd like to share with people?

Claudia Garbutt 14:43  

Well, maybe the last thing I like to share today as if it scares you. It might be a good thing to try. I can't remember if who said that, but I've found that to be very, very true. If it scares you, it might be a good thing too. Try because it gets you outside of your current comfort zone. And when you get outside of your current comfort zone, great things happen. Because if you keep, keep being stuck and inside this stone and you keep doing what you've been doing all the time, you've, you will keep getting what you've always gotten. And that might not be what you want to get. So if you want to change that, try the things that scare you.

Ari Gronich 15:27  

Awesome, awesome. How can people get ahold of you? If they'd like to learn more?

Claudia Garbutt 15:33  

And they can find me all they can find my website, which is www.wiredforsuccess.solutions, or they can find me on Facebook, Instagram or LinkedIn.

Ari Gronich 15:45  

Awesome wired for success solutions.solutions. Yeah, not solutions. Okay, wired for success dot solutions. If anybody would like to learn more about Claudia, I highly suggest that you connect with her molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, how can it get any better than that? Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate all the value you've given to the audience today. So thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich and I look forward to seeing all of you create a new tomorrow today and activate your vision for a better world. Peace and love.

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We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

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I'm Ari, Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Claudia garbutt, all the way from Germany. She is a molecular biologist turned mindset coach for ambitious mission driven entrepreneurs who want to shatter invisible ceilings and create more inner peace, income and impact without sacrificing their health relationships or happiness. Welcome, Claudia, why don't you tell us a little bit more about you? And how, how you became a molecular biologist turned mindset coach, I mean, you know, this is this, this takes some explanation.

1:02  

says, Well, hello, and thank you so much for having me. And yeah, so this, this story is a little bit like like a criss cross. So I never thought I would be an entrepreneur, I was no one of those people who knew exactly that they wanted to become an entrepreneur. So I really surprised myself here. also kind of ironic, because the thing that I hated most growing up was public speaking, especially in English. And here we are. So how do we get there? Well, after I finished university, all I wanted to do was this happens nice, comfortable job that was fulfilling, but paid well. And that left me enough time to enjoy my life. But guess what, as it turns out, it wasn't that easy to find a job like that. And I studied biology because I was driven by my curiosity, I wanted to understand how life works on every level. And this is still one of my major driving forces for my curiosity, I guess. But I've shifted my focus slightly. So I've had a couple of key experiences that slowly but steadily shifted my direction and my focus. So the first one was definitely when I got diagnosed with leukemia at the age of 28. And this pretty much turned my whole life upside down from one day to the next. And I still very clearly remember my first reaction to that diagnosis, which is strange, as it may sound was a sense of relief. And that was weird, right? Because at that point, I mean, who gets the diagnosis of a potentially deadly illness and things, huh. So, at that point in my life, I was just suffering from a major burnout. And being sick finally gave me the break that I was looking for. And to understand that, you have to know that I grew up in a family where everyone was always busy and working very, very hard. And you didn't just take a break, you know, breaks were for the lazy for the elderly, or for the sick. And so I finally had the right excuse. If you want to take a break without feeling guilty about it, at least if you want to call it going through chemotherapy a break. And it sounds so weird when I say it out loud. But that's often the case when you talk about the things that hold us back from doing the sensible things, right. They make perfect sense in our heads. But when we actually talk about them, they sound ridiculous.

3:45  

You know, it's funny, because I would have from like age seven to 24, I would have died for a proper diagnosis, I would have, I would have been so happy that I got a proper diagnosis instead of you know, the years of not knowing what the symptoms were not knowing why they were not knowing how to fix them. So I totally understand, you know, the sigh of relief, when you actually know something is actually wrong with me. I'm not just making it up in my head. It's an actual thing. And now I can do something about that actual thing versus just, you know, throwing darts on a dartboard trying to figure it out. So I totally get that. But yeah, most probably not a lot of fun.

4:40  

No, it wasn't it wasn't fun at all. But it made me aware of the pattern and I was stuck in. And I think probably for the first time in my entire life. I just really had the time to think about things and I started to really question those beliefs that I grew up with. Like, was it really necessary to work? 24? Seven, or is struggled noble? Or do I really have to fulfill everyone else's expectations? And it's just when you have something like a near death experience, this changes a lot, right? Suddenly you start quest, stop asking the right questions, the ones that are really important, like, do I like my life right now? Or do I like the direction in which I'm going? Or what would I actually what would I regret regret not having done if I died right now. And then I realized that at that point in my life, my entire life was dominated by fear. And I was only making fear based decisions. I was trying to avoid everything. I chose to stay in the familiar suffering, I feel like because I was just too afraid to face any new uncertainty, I felt like I couldn't take anymore. And so I stayed stuck, right where it was, even though I wasn't happy with that. And that's when I decided that things really needed to change. And I was too young to die. And there were things in my life that I wanted to experience. And I, I wanted so many things. And today, I am proud to say that I've accomplished most of these things that I wanted to do. So I wanted to live abroad, I wanted to find a loving relationship, I wanted to have a job that fulfills me these kinds of things. But it's has been a real roller coaster getting there. Because realizing something and then actually changing. Those are two totally different things.

6:38  

Yeah, I think the audience can could relate to that. I think that that probably 99.99999% of all human beings have things that they absolutely know they should be doing. And yet can't get themselves to do any of them.

6:59  

Yeah, it's it's so easy to fall back into old habits, especially when you're stressed and you don't pay close attention. So I knew that at that point in my life, I needed to leave a toxic work environment, I needed to leave a toxic relationship. And I wanted to do, I wanted to find something that fulfills me. So I just for myself, I knew that in order to beat the cancer, I had to define those goals, and I had to take action. And that's what I did. So as soon as I got out of the hospital, I started to slowly but surely break up that toxic relationship. So I left the toxic work environment. And then I applied for a scholarship at the end of the world, in New Zealand. So I went to the other side of the world, I left everything behind, and I basically started a new chapter in my life, but then it was still You can't leave yourself behind. And then when you get to that place, and you think you have done so much, you get stressed again, and you fall back into old habits. And that's what that's basically what's happened. And I think the next really defining moment for me came when I became a mom and I had my own kids. Because up to that point, I was basically okay with working 24 seven in the lab, because I love biology. I'm very curious, I want to figure things down. That's, that's something that gives me joy. But I didn't want to have that kind of lifestyle for my family. I didn't want to be away all the time for my kids. And so I kind of needed to figure out what I could do instead. And I had no idea whatsoever what that could be because i the only thing I knew was being a biologist, and it was a huge part of my identity. I didn't know what else I could do. And I didn't even know what else I wanted to do. Because this was this was who I am or who I was, or you know what I mean?

9:07  

Yeah,

9:08  

it's really hard to to distinguish who we are from what we do. You know, like, I noticed that when when anybody really introduces themselves when you say Who are you? I am a chiropractor, I am a you know, therapist, I am a construction worker. It's never I am this, I am me, who does this thing, right? It's always I am that. So, you know, maybe that's part of what makes it so difficult to shift is the identity that that you place within that, you know,

9:45  

absolutely. I'd like shedding your old skin or like, something like that. It's and you don't know you're vulnerable. You don't know what's coming next. It was it was really it was quite terrifying to be Honest. And the conclusion I finally reached was that the best option for me would be to build my own online business, because it allowed me to work flexible hours, and I would be location independent. And because my husband is from New Zealand, and we still, he still has own family on that side of the planet, and we moved back to Germany, so we were never quite sure where we would end up. Just having this flexibility is huge. And then I've tried a couple of different things online. And to be honest, I didn't know what I was doing. And I was probably experiencing every single mindset blog that you can encounter. So from feeling like an imposter, to the fear of failure, the fear of success, the fear of judgment, perfectionism, and everything in between. But since I don't give up easily, I worked through all of them just one by one or as they came up. And I also saw that so many other entrepreneurs, they were struggling with the exact same issues that were coming up for me. And so I became a certified life coach. And I like different modalities to help others work through these mindset blocks, too. And finally, it all fell into place when I found a way to incorporate my biology background into the mix, and specialize in helping people or entrepreneurs, in particular, rewire their brain for more success in their life and business. That's when I felt that I had really found my true calling, because now I can help people work through these issues on the physiology level, as well as on a psychology level, leveraging the body mind connection. So essentially, I can now combine my background in science, with the psychology and self development to help my clients overcome the fear and the worry and the self doubt and the overwhelm, so that they can become those confident CEOs and conscious creators have their dream lives that they want to be.

12:10  

That's, that's awesome. So let me ask you a few questions. I'm gonna I'm gonna take this in weird directions probably so and just just letting you know, that that we might go off on some interesting tangents, but biology of, say a virus, right? We've kind of gotten to the place where we we've accepted in science that viruses are not alive. They're not living things. So how does a virus attack an immune system? If it's not living? Because most things that attack us are the things that are living? And have you heard the theory that viruses are all exosomes that are just part of our body anyway. And so I'm just kind of, I just wanted to, like said, it's off on a little bit of a tangent, but I just wanted to check to see what what your thought is on that.

13:23  

I've never heard of that. And I've also never really thought about it. So good question. I think the way it works is because we all have, like DNA, so so the genetic code works universally. So if they if the virus attacks the cell, it inserts its its genetic material. And if it's active inside yourself, well, then it's translated into proteins. And that starts a whole cascade. So it doesn't really have to be a living organism. But if you think about your genetic code as a book, it basically inserts a chapter into this book. And this is, this is what's happening. So I don't know if that answers your question.

14:11  

No, yeah, it's it's just interesting, because I think that people are in such a mode of fear these days, because they don't understand because nobody is actually telling them the truth of what these things are. And so like, like mindset becomes this mindset of fear this mindset of lack this mindset of isolation, rather than a mindset of I know what's happening and I know the kind of the timeline that it's going to take for this to go and you know, there's not a lot of logic going on with with people's experience of what's happening now. Including especially the news and media and all that stuff. And so, I'm just gonna, like how do we match because one a match the fear with reality, right? and lack of fear with reality. So this is just a way to, to bring that mindset into the molecular biology a little bit and what's going on right now. Because you've had to pivot quite a bit, I think, since this whole pandemic, right?

15:18  

Yeah, I've, I've never worked with viruses. I've worked with bacteria, a lot of work with human cell lines and animal cell lines and that kind of stuff. I've worked on projects that were so it was basic research. And the last project I worked on was basic reach research into neurodegenerative diseases, and figuring out what's going on in diseases like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's and that kind of stuff. So that was my area of research, or medical interactions between medic different medicines. So if you have an adverse drug reaction between different drugs, that kind of thing, so it was quite a shift. Mm hmm.

16:08  

Absolutely. So you've moved into this world of, as we talked about earlier, homeschooling your kids, and doing this online thing. So give us kind of like, what's been your year like, in a nutshell, like, what's, what's this transition look like? And then what is the mindset that you had to have in order to do this whole mess without, like, pulling your hair out? Because you already had the chemo? So you know, you didn't want the hair out? So I just had it? How did you get through all of this with a mindset that, that you have, which is so positive, and I mean, you know, anybody who's talking to you or watching this right now can see in your eyes, the amount of joy that you exude in what you're doing? So

17:02  

good questions, I think when it's, oh, started last year, I was exactly at the point where I had just figured out exactly what I wanted to do and an offer, like, I had finally found what I wanted to do, and then the pandemic hit. I was like, Okay, this isn't wise to start all this right now at this point in time. And then I thought, Why? What do I have to lose? There's nothing I have to lose. So why don't go one go for it. And the last year has been really, really crazy, because we also started a huge side project. So a friend of ours. And so my husband and a friend of us, together, we bought this huge three story house, it's an old house, and we've been remodeling to turn it into three flats. Well, anyway, it's a huge project, a huge renovation project. And it all happened at the same time. So we started homeschooling, we started this building project on the side, I started building my business. And then I also started building my podcast. So it was all happening in the same time. And had you asked me before, if it was possible, to do all that, while at the same time, still go for a run every day have some time to like alone time for my sanity, I would have said No way. But then I found a way to just incorporate all those things and set the boundaries. And it worked quite beautifully. So unlike in previous times, where I worked so hard that I finally reached that rock bottom burnout. This time it felt aligned, and it felt I felt full of joy. And I was it was an It was nice. I don't know how to say it other than that, but it was really a nice journey. I still had some days where I felt overwhelmed, of course. And then I had just had to take a few days off. But in general, I didn't feel overwhelmed anymore, I was able to make a plan to stick to that plan to work through the action steps and to just roll with the punches.

19:14  

So so what you said here is something that that I think people tend to miss, which is I made a plan first. And then I did not get overwhelmed because I had a plan and I was doing the plan. Right? How many people do you know that make up that don't make the plan. They just are doing their random things and are getting so overwhelmed because they have no plan. Yeah, a lot of people, but a lot of your clients, right?

19:54  

Yeah. A lot of people do it like that. But then that said even if you have a plan Often you only have like the first steps of your plan figured out because then it can just take in direction because it doesn't always go according to plan, right? So I think I wouldn't. So the big message I want to share here is, don't be discouraged, if you don't have it all figured out. And you don't have a plan that takes you from A to Zed in, you know, all the little action steps. Sometimes you just have to know the direction and get started and know the first steps and then you, you will figure it out along the way.

20:36  

Yeah, that's true. I, I tend to, I tend to like to do planning, from the end to the beginning. Yeah, you know, that that's kind of my, my style for it. And I, my clients, I tell all the time, you know, where do you want to be in 10 years? What's the life that you want to lead? what's the what's the day to day experience that you want to have? And then you just reverse engineer that, and create the business that wraps itself around the life you want, versus trying to wrap your life around the business that you have? Or the work or job that you have? Right? So what are some tips and tricks that you have for for getting into a pivot mindset where, you know, the next time let's say something happens that completely screws the entire universe up? You know, the people listening to this will be able will be like so far beyond? Because they've created a new tomorrow? And, and so what what suggestions would you have for them? And how to change their mindset to be ready for pivot for change for uncomfortability?

22:00  

I guess one of the most important questions you can ask yourself is just where's the opportunity in this? So what app whatever happens to you just keep asking yourself, where is the opportunity? Or what can I learn from this. And when you approach any kind of situations, from that kind of mindset, you will find the opportunities, and you will find a way to deal with the situation from a place of calm and relaxation, instead of getting completely overwhelmed and spinning into the worst case scenarios that just keep you like. Send your straight into survival mode. So it's, this is what I've found to be really helpful.

22:45  

That's awesome. So tell us a little bit more about what you're doing these days in order to to help the world and benefit your clients. I mean, you know, obviously, this show is all about creating a new tomorrow. So tips, tricks and specialties is kind of what we do at the end. But what is it that you're doing to create a new tomorrow for not just you but your family and and your community? I know that you said Germany is still pretty locked down, which is kind of odd in my head, because I've always known Germany to be so far advanced in the medical world innovation and discovery and research and so on. So what is what's going on with that?

23:34  

What's going on with Germany? Well, I think the people are getting tired of the lockdown. I think that's something that that increases the problem or makes it bigger at the moment because we've been in the lockdown for I think last three months, and four months last year. So people are starting really starting to feel the effect of the lockdown, especially all the small businesses that have to stay closed all the time. And for those sometimes they feel like they don't have an alternative they need to open the businesses or else their business dies. So I think at the moment, this, this probably prevents a lot of people to do the sensible thing and stay at home and follow the directions. And maybe that's why we still have all those high numbers at the moment. And then we also have two mutations. I mean, the mutations are more contagious than the original strain. So this is also assess abating the problem at the moment. But your your first question was what I do to help everyone Right,

24:46  

yeah. So

24:49  

what I'm trying to do is just to spread a message of hope and to tell people to just just Seek the control that they can find right now. Does that make sense. So to really feel into where in their lives right now they can feel in control. Because if you can feel control feel in control in one area of your life, it's easier to accept the uncertainty in other areas. Because if you feel uncertain and out of control in all the areas of your life, this is very hard, will be pretty miserable.

25:33  

So it could be a miserable existence, and overwhelming as well.

25:39  

Yeah, and you feel powerless and you feel powerless, you give up hope. And then you don't do the things that you know you should be doing. And this all leads into this downward spiral. So that's what we want to avoid.

25:54  

Okay, so you have goals, you want to help people with live happier, healthier and more fulfilling lives, right? So what is if you could sum up in a sentence or two? What you have found to be the answer for living a healthy, happy, healthy fulfilling life? What would be the answer? If you could sum it up in just one answer? Sure, why not? I figure we make it easy for you today,

26:31  

a question to the answer of the universe. And just one sentence, you know, what I think is really important. And what most people are most people I've talked to, don't really understand is how the body and the mind are connected. And that your thoughts influence your body, on a deep physiological level, all your experiences influence your body and also the other way around. So this is a two way street, the communication between the mind and the body is a two way street. Whatever you do to your body you do to your mind, and what you do to your mind, you do to your body. And this is something that you can harness to get into a positive upward spiral, where you live happy and healthy, and in alignment, or it can also trip you up, and you go down this downward spiral where you, you live in despair, and you you don't look after your body, and then it just goes into this downward spiral and you end up miserable. So this is something very important to understand.

27:35  

So understanding that is one thing, and doing something about it is completely different. Right? That's right. So so we kind of know that human beings get stuck in their comfort zone, even if their comfort zone is really uncomfortable. Meaning if you get stuck in a habit like smoking, and you get end up getting cancer, right, you don't quit smoking, because the habit the comfort, of having that drag is too much. Compared to the not having of it, right, the comfort that you know, the pain of what comfort, you know, versus the joy of what comfort you don't know. Is, is greater. I know what you mean? Yeah, greater than the value of, of a person's mind, right. So they'd rather eat the fast food, knowing that it's not going to be healthy for him knowing that it's not going to make them feel better, right. But it's fast. So it's comfortable. So they know that it's available immediately whenever they want it. So that's a comfort, right? But you may not know how to cook. But you may know that cooking your food from scratch is the best way to get healthy, right. So learning to cook would be outside of the comfort zone too far, for some people to shift their behavior. And that's just an interesting thing to me. Because I have a TED talk that I've been writing called the psychology of submission, why we act against our own self interest. And, and it's why we let the bullies win. And so you know, as a mindset, person, and so forth, combined with the biology because I happen to know about chemistry and my brain and how hormones and biology affects my mood, my actions, my decision making all that stuff. So how can we get people's mindset in alignment with their eating and behavior and lifestyle versus getting the mindset into Two quick fast food, you know, easy, whatever mode that we're in right now. How do we change that back?

30:10  

Good question. Again, one that can cure the world, right. So I think it comes back to something we talked earlier about to make a plan, and to follow that plan. And so we often, this is just a common human bias where we, where we, we focus on the short term benefit versus the long term consequences. And to shift that, we have to make a plan based on those long term consequences that we either want to achieve or to avoid. So when we start with that in mind, again, we can go back and define the steps that we should take. And then to start that you have a, we have to make really have to create really, really small steps, initial steps that get the habit going, we want to make those first initial steps as easy and as enjoyable as possible. So if you decide you want to do more exercise, and you start by running a marathon, you're not going to stick with that. But if you decide you need more exercise, and the first thing or the tiny initial step that you do, is you go for a 15 minute walk, then it's something that's easy to do, you might enjoy it, you can listen to the birds, you can enjoy the sunshine, you make it easy, you make it enjoyable, and you in you give it a time in the space. So you define it as for example, the first thing you do in the morning, so you create a routine around them. And that's how you can shift and you can build on those tiny action steps and build a habit around it.

31:54  

Right? So how do you create a routine, if you're if your current routine, like around morning, for instance, if your current routine is the alarm goes off, and the snooze button gets, gets hit,

32:08  

you put, you put it that way, take it out of the room, you have to engineer around the behavior that you know, you default to have, you know, you hit the snooze button, then put the alarm clock away where you can't reach it immediately where you have to get out of bed to region, or even into the next room if that's not enough, because then you force yourself to get up and turn it off. And once you got up, you don't go back to bed you stay up.

32:44  

Yeah, you know, for a long time I was I had this this routine where I would wake up and it didn't matter if I was ready to get up or not. If I woke up and opened my eyes, and I cheated a little bit, waking up and not opening my eyes. But I had I had this thing. So I if I was if I opened my eyes, then I would walk upstairs and I would get in my infrared sauna. And I would fall back asleep for another hour while I was in the sauna heating up, right. And then I'd wake up and go take a shower and then I'd be awake. So it was my way of being able to start that morning routine right and in a positive way. And when I was sleeping in the sauna I would have on the by neural beats and isochronic tones and solfeggio frequencies and you know, motivation and programming and Jim Rohn and stuff like that. So it would program my brain in my sleep, but in my half sleep. But you know anybody can create a routine that they actually like, right? So one of the things that I think people get turned off by is that all of the people who are telling them to make routines, especially morning routines, tell them how they do it. And you know, the person says, Well, I can't do it like you do it. Like if you were Mark Wahlberg with your morning routine waking up at three o'clock in the morning to exercise for two plus hours and you know, pump iron, that would that would hit like maybe 10% of the population. Right? The other 20% would go? No, oh, that's that's sleeping time. Right? So doing routines that are designed individually for you and your personality and your way of being is kind of the way that that I've always suggested I like don't do my routine. Right. Don't do anybody else's routine. Just do you. But make it make it the best version of you. Right? Absolutely.

34:55  

I completely agree. I think everyone is unique. We all have unique experiences we have our needs, we know we have our likes our dislikes. So if someone tells me they don't like to go running, I wouldn't suggest they integrated running into their daily routine, I would tell them to find something that brings them joy, and replaces running. So it doesn't have to be my way.

35:22  

Cool. So what kinds of things like, I know that that we had a limited conversation today, I can probably talk to you for another few hours. And I think we're gonna be doing a summit together. So you know, at some point, the audience, you know, just tune in, we're gonna do some cool stuff. So tips, tricks, and things, and then any last things that you really, really, really want the audience to get so that they can start creating their new tomorrow today. Something that

35:58  

I've personally found to be very, very helpful, and that I've resisted for years before I finally tried it was doing breathing techniques, I hated it. In the beginning, I had such a huge resistance around it. But when I finally started doing it, I had, it was a major breakthrough, because it finally allowed me to go deeper into my own physiology and fight all that overwhelm. So you go into the parasympathetic nervous nervous system, you can activate it, you can get out of that constant fight or flight. So if for anyone who's listening, and who hasn't tried it yet, give it a go, even though you don't feel like it, and give it a fair shot, which means don't do it just once or twice, and then decide it's not for you. Try it for a couple of weeks, at least, and see how you feel after them. Because for me, it really changed a lot. So that would definitely be my recommendation.

37:05  

Very nice. Very nice. Yeah, I am about to record I had a power breathing 15 minute exercise routine. And you're you're the only thing you're exercising is your breath. But I wrote it after finding out that 80% of all fat loss happens in your breath and your expiration, not in your pee, not your poop not in your sweat. 80% of all fat loss comes from breathing out fat. Kind of weird, huh? It's a long chain thing that turns into breath that when you breathe deep and heavy and hard, it's a better fat loss workout than building muscle that way. And lifting weights, it's kind of chronic crazy. So I've been writing this, I have this written, I'm going to video and create a video training with this 15 minute power breathing workout. Because breathing is so so important. And you know, for anybody who's listening on YouTube on pretty much anywhere, you could go and look up dragon breath or Kundalini breath or, you know, breathing techniques breathing for exercise. I remember even when I was a kid, there came out an infomercial when I was a kid, that was a breathing weight loss, you know, program. I find it fascinating. So awesome breath techniques, anything else?

38:39  

Ah, Shadow Work. If you don't know what it is Google ads. It's going to be your friend.

38:47  

Shadow Work. Yes. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I like to do mirror work. I think you and I talked about that before. But mirror work is, is basically bringing light to a shadow, you know, to your darkness to the person that you thought you were, but not the person that's in those eyeballs. So when you stare in the mirror at those eyeballs of yours, it's really difficult. I've had so many people they can't do it. Absolutely cannot look at themselves in the mirror in any kind of meaningful way. Meaning they can go walk in front of the mirror look at their makeup or hair or whatever. But looking in their eyeballs is been I found one of the most frightening things for people to do. To deeply look into yourself. And and so that to me is is one form of Shadow Work, right that you're describing is just looking in your own eyeballs and trying to find we're not even trying finding all of the places that you Love about yourself, however long it takes, and however many things and masks you have to get out of the way while you're doing it. Right. Sounds great. Yeah, I

40:12  

found that analyzing what triggers you sort of more like the dark side of the shadow what triggers you and others, that is something that I've found to be really interesting and really helpful, because those other things than are resonating with us on a deep emotional level. And that means we have some sort of attachment to them. And exploring that has been really interesting, also exploring what inspires me in other people to see it as the potential that's also hidden inside myself, for example. And that's maybe why I started a podcast, despite hating public speaking. But it's always been this kind of self discovery journey.

41:01  

Yeah, you know, one of the things that that I've always told people is, how many questions you have? How many? How many times do you question the things that are happening in the world? How many times do you question the things that are happening? up in here in your brain? You know, if you're passing a threat, a thought through your head, do you analyze it? Do you question it, you ask if that's true, you know, if somebody is having this negative self talk, which we all know happens quite a lot. Have you asked yourself if that's true? Have you just asked the question is this true about me, and really got real with yourself about it. Because that to me, is, is so so important with Shadow Work, and with the things that you're talking about. Anything else that you'd like to share, we're going to wrap this up, because I know you've got to go. But anything else that you'd like to quickly share anything that you're doing in the world that you'd like to share with people?

42:09  

Well, maybe the last thing I like to share today is, if it scares you, it might be a good thing to try. I can't remember who said that. But I've found that to be very, very true. If it scares you, it might be a good thing to try because it gets you outside of your current comfort zone. And when you get outside of your current comfort zone, great things happen. Because if you keeps keep being stuck, and inside, it's sown, and you keep doing what you've been doing all the time you you will keep getting what you've always gotten, and that might not be what you want to get. So if you want to change that, try the things that scare you.

42:53  

Awesome, awesome. How can people get ahold of you? If they'd like to learn more? And they can

43:00  

find me all or they can find my website, which is www.wiredforsuccess.solutions Or they can find me on Facebook, Instagram or LinkedIn.

43:11  

Awesome wired for success solutions.solutions. Yeah, that's solutions. Okay, wired for success.solutions. If anybody would like to learn more about Claudia, I highly suggest that you connect with her molecular biologist turn mindset coach. I mean, how can it get any better than that? Thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate all the value you've given to the audience today. So thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich, and I look forward to seeing all of you create a new tomorrow today and activate your vision for a better world. peace, and love. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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And I think probably for the first time in my entire life, I just really had the time to think about things. And I started to really question those beliefs that I grew up with. Like, was it really necessary to work 24 seven or is struggled noble? Or do I really have to fulfill everyone else's expectations? And it's just when you have something like a near death experience, this changes a lot, right? Suddenly you start quest, start asking the right questions, the ones that are really important, like do I like my life right now? Or do I like the direction in which I'm going or what would I actually what would I regret regret not having done if I died right now.

Esther Blum is an Integrative Dietitian and High Performance Coach. She has helped thousands of women permanently lose weight, eliminate the need for medication, lose stubborn belly fat, and reverse chronic illness. Esther teaches her clients how to get clear and decisive about what to eat while healing their relationship with food and their bodies.

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https://estherblum.com/

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Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I'm your host Ari Gronich and today with me is Esther blum. She is an integrative dietitian and a high performance coach and her her goal and she what she's done is helped 1000s of women permanently lose weight and eliminate the need for medication Lose Stubborn Belly Fat and reverse chronic illness. She teaches her clients to cultivate a warrior mindset when it comes to healing their relationship with food and unconditionally loving their bodies. Esther is the best selling author of cave women don't get fat. I like that title. Eat, drink and be gorgeous secrets of gorgeous and the eat, drink and be gorgeous project. She currently maintains a busy virtual practice where she provides 360 degrees of healing with physical, psychological, emotional and spiritual support. Esther has appeared on Dr. Oz the today show and Fox News Live. Welcome to the show. Esther, I really appreciate you coming on and taking out time. I know you have a very busy schedule. So thank you so much for being here. Thanks sorry for having me. So tell us a little bit about what got you started in the world of dietitian and then what kind of transitioned you from dietitian to integrative dietitian.

Esther Blum 1:34  

Um well I grew up in a medical family. My grandfather and father were both physicians. My grandfather was actually in ears, nose and throat doctor and an incredible surgeon. He was the tonsil, King of Brooklyn. And he trained my grandmother to be the anesthesiologist and the two of them took my tonsils out in their house in Brooklyn. My grandfather had an operating room, a treatment room, a consultation room and a 12 bed pediatric recovery room on the first floor of their house next to their kitchen and dining room. So you know, I grew up just thinking it was very normal for my grandfather to operate on me in his own home and my grandmother to put the ether mask over my face. So I was never even in the hospital really until childbirth. Um, so my father also was a gifted dermatologist who was a wonderful healer and I saw the two of them making house calls. You know, we would go up to my grandfather's farmhouse in Ridgefield, Connecticut on the weekends and the phone would ring and you know, they answering service with sad, like, speak to Dr. Blum. And we were like, Well, which one you know and so and they were just kind, compassionate people who did house calls and real country doctors. Even though my grandfather was in Brooklyn, and then my mother was a nurse. And we had lots of pharmacists in our families. So I grew up around medicine, it was comfortable around it was discussed at our dinner table for better or for worse. And I knew that I was interested in it. I always did well in school, but I didn't want to go to medical school. And my my grandfather said, What are you what are you thinking? I said, I think I want to be a dietitian, because it's all the pre med requirements. Basically, it's a little less physics, but it's all pre med. But none of the you know, residency. I mean, I had an internship, but it wasn't like this intense residency. And my grandfather said, What are you doing? That's like the biggest mistake, you're never going to be a success or make any money. And I was like, Oh, it's on it is so on right now. So I obviously have made money and been a success and said, proved him wrong. And he became my greatest champion. So why do you think what's what's what's your reasoning? Having been on both sides of, of the industry?

Ari Gronich 4:05  

Why do you think the language is so completely different between the two, and the studies, the research, the science, that everything that we look at? You know, I've I've been trained in functional medicine and have an immense amount of pain when it comes to seeing how much is missed in translation. And I'll give you a quick example. I had a family member who sent me all his labs, and his doctor was a traditional doctor basically said nothing was wrong with them. And I started going through on a functional lab level, and I kept looking at all these different numbers that were in the normal for the pathological numbers. But completely outside of functional. And as I looked through this, I was going, I basically figured out that this person was in liver failure. Like, with through the combination of things that were off, it was pretty clear picture. But the doctor said, Oh, you're perfectly fine. And so that's kind of the thing that bog bugs the crap out of me. So why do you think that it's so lost in translation between functional medicine and Western medicine?

Esther Blum 5:36  

Yeah, I don't have all the answers on where the gap lies. But I will say money is a big piece of it. You know, there's big Ag and Big Pharma. And, you know, for dieticians, the food guide pyramid is sponsored heavily by, you know, the dairy board, the grain board, not so much the meat board, right me gets all this horrible press, even though pastured meat is the most sustainable practice that we have in supporting agriculture and regenerative farming. So, yeah, I think there's a lot more money behind that, or there's money behind drug companies saying, you know, oh, you're not you're your mortality rate is much less when you take Lipitor every day or you take a stat and every day and your cholesterol needs to be lower and lower and lower and lower when cholesterol used to be 200 plus your age, we need cholesterol to support libido to make testosterone, estrogen, progesterone. Be fertile. You know, feel good brain

Ari Gronich 6:44  

function,

Esther Blum 6:46  

function, healthy hair, skin, nails, fight depression, ADHD, gut health, all those things. So yeah, I think it's money, even though it's silly, because there's play money to be made and supplements too. If people are smart, they jump on that bandwagon. But yeah, it's a it's a lot harder to say, you know, eat a serving of blueberries every day for brain health, right? versus like, well, you can just take this drug or you know, so it's, I think you're constantly battling many This is this country puts the health of the pocketbook or the wallet way ahead of the health of the people, profits over people's I'm trying to say,

Ari Gronich 7:25  

right, so I heard a saying recently, and it went something along the lines of you eat vegetables to detoxify, and then you eat to heal. Oh, I love that. Oh, that is brilliant. Yeah. What do you think of that?

Esther Blum 7:41  

I mean, that's brilliant. Yes, I mean, but me helps detoxify, too, if you don't have enough protein, it's really hard to get your liver to conjugate, you know, essential amino acids and heal and detox your body. So, but you know, it is interesting. I do have there is a caveat to this. And I do have some clients that when I increase their meat, they gain weight, and they're, they can't process all the fat. So some people I actually have to go on the plant based route for about four to six months sometimes to really clean up their liver and do a good detox that's more plant based and then go back to the Paleo it depends on someone's starting point, someone is super, super obese. And their cortisol is off the charts. You know, it's we we tried different approaches there at the high meat doesn't always work. It depends.

Ari Gronich 8:43  

Right?

Esther Blum 8:44  

Yes, for a healthy normal, you know, reasonable weight, someone's within their target range, then yeah, I believe that I think you do need a balance of meat and poultry and fish and vegetables to really see tax buy in and organ meats, and build muscle support bone density,

Ari Gronich 9:05  

right? You know, when I look at human beings and how we used to eat, then I look at animals and, you know, they talk about vegetables and how you can build muscle with with just eating vegetables and being a vegetarian, but I look at at animals that are on a plant based diet. And they're typically very large. And then I look at animals that are predator animals, and they're typically very small but muscular, and powerful. And, you know, so you have slow and large on a plant based diet. But yet, we get told all the time lately, especially about these plant based diets being the healthiest thing we could do and then now they're coming out with all these plant based meats that are I don't know what you think of them.

Esther Blum 10:06  

I'm like a chemical shitstorm I mean, I was talking about this with my son. You know, he's he's almost 14, I'm like, stay the hell away from that crap. He's like, Mom, I would never be vegan, I just wouldn't do it. You know, again, it goes back to money. Like it's um, you know, Bill Gates is taking over a lot of our farmland that is producing GMO based crops. That the beyond burgers and the pea proteins any time there is, you know, that type of plant based versus actual clinical research. It's, there's money behind it, people have money to gain from it.

Ari Gronich 10:47  

Gotcha. So, I had a dietician Tell me one time, as she was drinking a diet soda in my presence. He said, something along the lines of I like to eat my calories, not drink them. Uh huh. What do you think of that statement? And people who think that diet sodas are so much better, or diet foods in general are so much better than natural foods?

Esther Blum 11:15  

Yeah, well, that's I mean, your body your choice. So you want to put crap that, you know, interferes with proper neurotransmitter function in your brain, knock yourself out. But you know, and yes, you you don't want to get your calories from orange juice or, you know, necessarily sodas or anything like that. But sometimes drinking calories can actually be nutritious. If I can get someone to get a protein shake, where they're getting 50 grams of protein. Instead of eating to eggs where they're getting 14 grams of protein, I am going to say drink your drink your calories and put some fiber in there, put some tea and flaxseed and put a low glycemic fruit and some veggies if you want and drink it all at once. Don't like sip it over hours of the day where you're messing with your blood sugar, so much. So it's really time in place, I mean, hypocrisy of bounds and dive in dietetics professions.

Ari Gronich 12:15  

So let's talk a little bit about lentils and lectins and night shades and inflammatory foods. Yeah, and, you know, even like tomatoes, I had a, I had a client one time, paid me for a six month package. And after going through everything at the very beginning and doing all the testing and all that stuff. We were putting her on an elimination plan. And she was Italian. And she said, keep your money. I can't not eat tomatoes. And I said it's only three weeks, and she wouldn't she couldn't not eat the tomato. But, you know, let's talk a little bit about that kind of unpack this because everybody's getting their information from Dr. Google right now. And and I'm not sure Dr. Google has all of the correct information, you know, readily available in a way that search.

Esther Blum 13:19  

Yeah, well, when it comes to elimination diets, you know, it's it's tricky, right? Because if somebody has a lot of people who I cheat, for example, have h pylori, or like real active H. pylori, or with having symptoms, or they have parasites, or they have leaky gut or cebo. So under those circumstances, right, you're you with an inflamed gut wall, and you're adding gasoline to the fire when you put those inflammatory foods into your system, right? That foods that you're sensitive to. And often the foods that you're the most sensitive to are the ones that you're eating every day, already anyway. So you can do food allergy testing during those times, but it's going to show up, you know, you're going to show up with 2030, even 40 allergies. That's how you really know you have a leaky gut. By the way, the more allergies you have tells us a lot about your gut.

Ari Gronich 14:15  

Yeah, just unpacking I think, for people what, you know, they hear all these fad diets and fad things and not know how to navigate. Yeah, yes. And so they end up you know, you'll end up Okay, we're on the keto this week and intermittent fasting that week and paleo the other week, and we just keep switching because we're not getting the answer we want. And, and, you know, with with my patients, I always said well, in functional medicine, we test Yeah, so that we're not, you know, throwing darts at a dartboard. But, but people don't really understand what all of these things are. They just look I mean, I still don't know if anybody knows if milk is good for you or bad for you, you know what I mean? Like, you have both sides of the equation. So I wanted a little bit.

Esther Blum 15:12  

Yeah, well and so much of your your food can be it, there's so many factors, right? Okay, fine, you can find out where your genetics are, you know, you see people in certain Nordic cultures eating attended dairy and are very lean and healthy. But where the cows given hormones were the cows fed GMO grains. Are they exposed to a lot less pesticides and GMOs in our food that are creating the leaky gut? You know, I think if we had if we all had better gut integrity, we tolerate a lot more foods. To your point like is milk good or bad for you? To me, it's, it's what you're eating. It's what you're absorbing that is far more important to me than worrying about the semantics rain. In theory, you know, dairies got, it's got sugar, but it also has a lot of protein. I mean, cottage cheese, to me is a is a power food for a lot of people. So if my people tolerate it and say, Yeah, I tell her dairy fine, and they're not having gut issues and like, go for it. You know, it's it's a lot more fun and easier to work with someone who has that much flexibility in their diets for sure.

Ari Gronich 16:20  

Yeah, that's one of the interesting things, I find that when you eliminate something like I don't eat sugar things, and I don't drink juices and stuff like that. And every now and then, if I even go for a sip of orange juice, or apple juice or something like that, I need to dilute it by like, 10 to one. Oh, yeah, with water, I mean, like, literally this much juice to the rest of the glasses, water, because otherwise, it's just too sweet. And it's ridiculously too sweet. And so, you know, here's a figure, and I don't remember the exact figure, but I think it was somewhere around one gram of sugar, or one and a half grams of sugar in your bloodstream naturally is about the 90, you know, that the 75 to 95, or whatever blood sugar ratio. And so the amount of sugar that we're eating in our diet, I mean, if you could imagine a gram and a half is what your blood sugar should be? How many grams? Do you put into one cup of coffee? And then how many cups of coffee? And then how many, right? things that you're eating, that you wouldn't necessarily think have sugar in them have sugar added into them. And that that goes along with the genetically modified foods, because as you probably are aware, an apple 50 years ago, had about a 10th of the amount of sugar that an Apple has now. And you have to have about 10 apples to get the equivalent nutritive value as an apple 50, you know, in the 50s. So how does somebody, you know, navigate this entire world of what we've done, to our health into our environment and to the way in which we consume.

Esther Blum 18:30  

And now ignorance really was bliss in this in this a couple ways. Okay. One is try and look at the big picture, because at the end of the day, you know, um, there was a great study mercola published years ago about how like, even if you're eating non organic veggies, you're still getting benefits, okay, and the nutrient content is far less than what our grandparents had, our parents had even we had growing up. But if it runs, flies, swims or grows from the ground, it's still real food. And I see people healing their bodies eating in perfectly, not everything's organic. But if they're eating a lot of fruits and veggies and real food, compared to their starting point, they're going to heal much better.

Ari Gronich 19:19  

Thank you so much for being here. You know, every episode I like to to leave the audience with doable things so that they can create a new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So thank you so much for activating your vision. And not just that, but coming out into the public. You know, I like to say, silence is a bully's best friend. So let's get loud. And I appreciate everybody who comes on to the show getting loud and going up against the bullies like big agriculture, big pharmaceutical, big medicine and general And, and saying, Hey, here's here's the truth. We don't know about this science because it's been paid for and bought. But we do know that based on these 1000s of years, and what we can say is if you eat this amount of food, you're going to be healthier and if you get about this amount of walking in and this amount of movement, so I appreciate all of your wisdom. Thank you so much for coming on. I know you're busy. So thank you. And this has been another episode. So thank you so much for listening. And hopefully you have gotten an amazing amount of things that you can do right now, to create your new tomorrow today. We'll see you next time.

Esther Blum is an Integrative Dietitian and High Performance Coach. She has helped thousands of women permanently lose weight, eliminate the need for medication, lose stubborn belly fat, and reverse chronic illness. Esther teaches her clients how to get clear and decisive about what to eat while healing their relationship with food and their bodies.

CHECK THIS AMAZING WEBSITE BY ESTHER BLUM FOR MORE INFO.

https://estherblum.com/

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Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari Gronich and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I'm your host Ari Gronich and today with me is Esther blum. She is an integrative dietitian and a high performance coach and her goal and she what she's done is helped 1000s of women permanently lose weight and eliminate the need for medication Lose Stubborn Belly Fat and reverse chronic illness. She teaches her clients to cultivate a warrior mindset when it comes to healing their relationship with food and unconditionally loving their bodies. Esther is the best selling author of cave women don't get fat. I like that title. Eat, drink and be gorgeous secrets of gorgeous and the eat, drink and be gorgeous project. She currently maintains a busy virtual practice where she provides 360 degrees of healing with physical, psychological, emotional and spiritual support. Esther has appeared on Dr. Oz the today show and Fox News Live. Welcome to the show. Esther I really appreciate you coming on and taking out time. I know you have a very busy schedule. So thank you so much for being here.

Esther Blum 1:25  

Thanks sorry for having me.

Ari Gronich 1:28  

So tell us a little bit about what got you started in the world of dietitian and then what kind of transitioned you from dietitian to integrative dietitian.

Esther Blum 1:42  

Um well I grew up in a medical family. My grandfather and father were both physicians. My grandfather was actually an ears nose and throat doctor and an incredible surgeon. He was the tonsil, King of Brooklyn, and that he trained my grandmother to be the anesthesiologist and the two of them took my tonsils out in their house in Brooklyn. My grandfather had an operating room, a treatment room, a consultation room and 12 bed pediatric recovery room on the first floor of their house next to their kitchen and dining room. So you know, I grew up just thinking it was very normal for my grandfather to operate on me in his own home and my grandmother to put the ether mask over my face. Um, so I was never even in the hospital really until childbirth.

So my father also was a gifted dermatologist who was a wonderful healer and I saw the two of them making house calls. You know, we would go up to my grandfather's farm house in Ridgefield, Connecticut on the weekends and the phone would ring and you know, they answering service would said like, speak to Dr. Blum. And we were like, Well, which one you know and so and they were just kind, compassionate people who did house calls and real country doctors. Even though my grandfather was in Brooklyn, and then my mother was a nurse. And we had lots of pharmacists in our families. So I grew up around medicine, it was comfortable around it was discussed at our dinner table for better or for worse. And I knew that I was interested in it. I always did well in school, but I didn't want to go to medical school and my my grandfather said what are you what are you thinking? I said, I think I want to be a dietitian, because it's all the pre med requirements. Basically, it's a little less physics, but it's all pre med. But none of the, you know, residency. I mean, I had an internship but it wasn't like this intense residency. And my grandfather said, What are you doing? That's like the biggest mistake, you're never going to be a success or make any money. And I was like, Oh, it's on it is so on right now. So I obviously have made money and been a success and said, proved him wrong. And he became my greatest champion, you know, so it was all it was really great. So then I worked in hospitals for the first five years of my career and loved it loved clinical dietetics but there's only so much impact you're going to make on an 85 year old after they've had a heart attack and you have five to 10 minutes to give them diet instruction and absolutely no follow up or continuity or accountability for them at all. So um, I began to you know, I was building a private practice even while I was working at the hospital and I went to a cocktail party at my parents house and one of that one of her friends said what are your nutritionist like? What do you know about vitamins and minerals and I said truthfully, I'm embarrassed to say if two degrees of Clinical Nutrition and I know nothing about vitamins and minerals the the class we took in college or a grad school called vitamins and minerals, the professor basically said, Well, everything you need, you know, you can get from food, like, why am I here? What What is happening? So I said, I'd really love to learn more about supplements, I don't know about them. And she said, Oh, well, my, my strength coach is taking a functional medicine course you should talk to her. So I did. And my grandfather at the time had wanted to give me $2,000 to pay off some of my grad school loans. And the course, of course, was exactly $2,000. Because that's what the universe does, laughs and plays tricks on us. So I said, You know what, I'd really love to parlay this money into more education, he was like, go for it. So took that functional medicine course. And I've never looked back, I left the hospital within the year, and worked for a functional medicine doctor for a couple of years, and then was out of my own full time. So and it's a much better way to serve people. I mean, clinical dietetics is an amazing education. And it's an important one, but it's an incomplete one, and it doesn't address, you know, you learn and look at very specific research studies. But you're only seeing about half the picture, you don't look at supplements, and there are emerging programs on new functional nutrition. I don't want to disparage those at all. But a clinical dietetics track doesn't look at all the research studies on vitamins and minerals and nutrients and how you know, supplements can be an adjunct, it doesn't take into account like a keto diet or hardcore, autoimmune AIP diet or gluten free, you know, and I to this day, I get two different nutrition journals, right, I get journals from Clinical Nutrition side and journals from the functional nutrition side. And it is like, two completely different worlds. It's two completely different parties. And it's it's fascinating to me, what is not addressed, especially when, like, on my bookshelf behind me, I mean, one of my books, nutrition and integrative medicine, you know, it's an 800 page textbook, I read and studied and took an exam on this year, all on functional medicine. Like, how is that not made it into the dietetics curriculum yet? So it's, so what?

Ari Gronich 7:15  

So why do you think what's what's, what's your reasoning? Having been on both sides of the industry? Why do you think the language is so completely different between the two, and the studies, the research, the science, the everything that we look at, you know, I've, I've been trained in functional medicine and have an immense amount of pain when it comes to seeing how much is missed in translation. And I'll give you a quick example, I had a family member who sent me all his labs. And his doctor was a traditional doctor basically said nothing was wrong with him. And I started going through on a functional lab level. And I kept looking at all these different numbers that were in the normal for the pathological numbers, but completely outside of functional. And as I looked through this, I was going, I basically figured out that this person was in liver failure. Like, with, through the combination of things that were off, it was pretty clear picture. But the doctor said, Oh, you're perfectly fine. And so that's kind of the thing that bog bugs the crap out of me. So why do you think that it's so lost in translation between functional medicine and Western medicine?

Esther Blum 8:55  

Yeah, I don't have all the answers on where the gap lies. But I will say money is a big piece of it. You know, there's big Ag and Big Pharma. And, you know, for dieticians, the food guide pyramid is sponsored heavily by you know, at the dairy board, the grain board, not so much the meat board, right me gets all this horrible press, even though pastured meat is the most sustainable practice that we have in supporting agriculture and regenerative farming.

Unknown Speaker 9:31  

So,

Esther Blum 9:32  

yeah, I think there's a lot more money behind that or there's money behind drug companies saying, you know, oh, you're not you're your mortality rate is much less when you take Lipitor every day or you take a stat and every day and your cholesterol needs to be lower and lower and lower and lower when cholesterol used to be 200 plus your age. We need cholesterol to support libido to make testosterone, estrogen progesterone. be fertile. You know, feel good

Ari Gronich 10:03  

brain function,

Esther Blum 10:05  

function healthy hair, skin, nails fight depression, ADHD, gut health, all those things. So, yeah, I think it's money, even though it's silly because there's play money to be made and supplements too. If people are smart, they jump on that bandwagon. But yeah, it's a lot harder to say, you know, eat a serving of blueberries every day for brain health, right? versus like, well, you can just take this drug or you know, so it's, I think you're constantly battling many This is this country puts the health of the pocketbook or the wallet way ahead of the health of the people, profits over people's what I'm trying to say.

Ari Gronich 10:44  

Right. So I heard a saying recently, and it went something along the lines of you eat vegetables to detoxify, and then you need to heal.

Unknown Speaker 10:56  

Oh, I love that. Oh, that is brilliant.

Ari Gronich 10:59  

Yeah, what do you think of that?

Unknown Speaker 11:00  

I mean, that's brilliant.

Esther Blum 11:04  

Yes, I mean, but me helps detoxify, too, if you don't have enough protein, it's really hard to get your liver to conjugate, you know, essential amino acids and heal and detox your body. So, but you know, it is interesting, um, I do have, there is a caveat to this. And I do have some clients that when I increase their meat, they gain weight, and they can't process all the fat. So some people actually have to go on the plant based route for about four to six months sometimes to really clean up their liver and do a good detox that's more plant based, and then go back to the Paleo it depends on someone's starting point, if someone is super, super obese, and their cortisol is off the charts, you know, it's we we tried different approaches there at the high meet doesn't always work. It depends. Right? Yes, for a healthy normal, you know, reasonable weight, someone's within their target range, then yeah, I believe that I think you do need a balance of meat and poultry, and fish and vegetables to really detox the body and, and organ meats, and build muscle support bone density,

Ari Gronich 12:24  

right? You know, when I look at human beings and how we used to eat, then I look at animals and, you know, they talk about vegetables and how you can build muscle with with just eating vegetables and being a vegetarian, but I look at at animals that are on a plant based diet. And they're typically very large. And then I look at animals that are predator animals, and they're typically very small but muscular, and powerful. Yeah, and, you know, so you have slow and large on a plant based diet. But yet, we get told all the time lately, especially about these plant based diets being the healthiest thing we could do, and then now they're coming out with all these plant based meats that are I don't know what you think of them. I'm like a

Esther Blum 13:28  

chemical shitstorm I mean, I was talking about this with my son, you know, he's he's almost 14, I'm like, stay the hell away from that crap. He's like, Mom, I would never be vegan, I just wouldn't do it. You know, again, it goes back to money. Like it's, um, you know, Bill Gates is taking over a lot of our farmland that is producing GMO based crops that the beyond burgers and the pea proteins, any time there is, you know, that type of plant based versus actual clinical research. It's, there's money behind it, people have money to gain from it. And there's a tremendous amount of clinical research on the importance of protein for longevity for bone density, you know, muscle, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, she's my doctor and my, my sister, my friend, but she always talks about how, you know, muscle is the organ of longevity and, and there's so much clinical research on, you know, how we actually need to increase the guidelines for the RDI for protein that it's under what it should be and Case in point, you know, if if I do the math and give a healthy individual point, what is it I think it's like, point 6.8 grams per kilogram of protein. They're getting what my renal failure patients used to get in the hospital for the amount of protein They're recommended, what you really should do for those of you who are new to all this is a gram per pound of body weight, or your ideal body weight, if you're overweight, then you would use your ideal or adjusted body way, if you're 250 pounds and you want to weigh 150, you know, you start at your protein, at least 150. And go up 170, there was a great study recently done on navy seals, who were given very low calorie diets under harsh conditions of high physical demand. And 100 grams of protein a day. And that was the baseline minimum that they could get away with eating and still maintain their muscle mass. So you know, I have a lot of clients who actually really struggle to get their protein intake up. And I'm like, just make your baseline threshold 100 grams per day, if you can get to, they usually can't get up to like 150. But I'm like, if you can get to 120. You know, it's still can change your body composition, but I don't want just adequate and that's what the RDI is, it is like, adequate to not waste away. I really want people to have optimal.

Ari Gronich 16:11  

Gotcha. So I had a dietician Tell me one time as she was drinking a diet soda in my presence. He said something along the lines of I like to eat my calories, not drink them.

Unknown Speaker 16:26  

Uh huh.

Ari Gronich 16:28  

What do you think of that statement? And people who think that diet sodas are so much better, or diet foods in general are so much better than natural foods?

Esther Blum 16:39  

Yeah, well, that's I mean, your body your choice. So you want to put crap that, you know, interferes with proper neurotransmitter function in your brain, knock yourself out. But you know, and yes, you you don't want to get your calories from orange juice or, you know, necessarily sodas or anything like that. But sometimes drinking calories can actually be nutritious. If I can get someone to get a protein shake, where they're getting 50 grams of protein. Instead of eating two eggs where they're getting 14 grams of protein, I am going to say drink your drink your calories and put some fiber in there, put some flaxseed and put a low glycemic fruit and some veggies if you want and drink it all at once. Don't like sip it over hours of the day where you're messing with your blood sugar so much. So it's really time in place. I mean, hypocrisy abounds, and diet and Dietetics professions. I remember going to so many nutrition conferences, and there were so many obese dietitians. And then I would go to the functional medicine conferences and where you know, the wacky, wacky people and like everyone was pretty fit. Tell me, I don't know. And you go to the strength coach conferences when Charles poliquin was alive. I've did many of his conferences and talking guys, six to 12% body fat so and they were eating By the way, one to 1.5 to two grams of protein per pound of body weight. So and they were like the leanest humans on the planet.

Ari Gronich 18:22  

So let's talk a little bit about lentils and lectins and night shades and inflammatory foods. Yeah, and, you know, even like tomatoes, I had a, I had a client one time, paid me for a six month package. And after going through everything at the very beginning and doing all the testing and all that stuff. We were putting her on an elimination plan. And she was Italian. And she said, keep your money. I can't not eat tomatoes. And I said it's only three weeks, and she wouldn't she couldn't not eat the tomato. But, you know, let's talk a little bit about that kind of unpack this because everybody's getting their information from Dr. Google right now. And and I'm not sure Dr. Google has all of the correct information, you know, readily available in a way that search.

Esther Blum 19:25  

Yeah, well, when it comes to elimination diets, you know, it's it's tricky, right? Because if somebody has a lot of people who cheat for example, have h pylori or like real active h pylori, or were they having symptoms, or they have parasites or they have leaky gut or cebo. So under those circumstances, right, you're you with an inflamed gut wall and you're adding gasoline to the fire when you put those inflammatory foods into your system. Right. Foods that you're sensitive to. And often the foods that you're the most sensitive to are the ones that you're eating every day already anyway. So you can do food allergy testing during those times, but it's going to show up, you know, you're going to show up with 2030, even 40 allergies, that's how you really know you have a leaky gut. By the way, the more allergies you have tells us a lot about your gut. But that being said, um, you know, some people, so I like to do elimination diets by trial, you know, there's no one set thing and yes, if someone's more autoimmune, and I have an autoimmune protocol, then yeah, I take them off nightshades and lectins. But at the same time, I have plenty of people I treat, who have absolutely no problem eating those foods at all. And so I really only try and take away what has to be taken away and what people can stick to because, you know, I just don't find people are going to adhere to things long term. They really if they're too, too, too restrictive. The people who do I, the ones who get really sick from eating those foods and have immediate reactions, like severe, I have a client sasmar and she's like, been eating my inflammatory foods. I couldn't even get out my minivan. Like, I couldn't put weight on my right foot. I was like, well, then don't eat that stuff. But other people, you know, can eat it and or they take the lectins way and don't really notice much difference. So I kind of it's a combination of testing, right? I certainly do gi gotten stool testing, but I will also just say How are you feeling as your energy, your craving, your bloating, your stool habits? You know, how's your thyroid function? What are your blood works looking like? So? I don't know if that's the exact answer you're looking for it. The food allergy piece is really tricky.

Ari Gronich 21:50  

Yeah, just unpacking I think, for people. What, you know, they hear all these fad diets and fad things and not know how to navigate. Yeah, yes. And so they end up you know, you'll end up Okay, we're on the keto this week and intermittent fasting that week and paleo the other week, and we just keep switching because we're not getting the answer we want. And, and, you know, with with my patients always said, well, in functional medicine, we test Yeah, so that we're not, you know, throwing darts at a dartboard. But, but people don't really understand what all of these things are. They just look I mean, I still don't know if anybody knows if milk is good for you or bad for you. You know what I mean? Like, you have both sides of the equation. So I wanted to

Esther Blum 22:47  

Yeah, well, and so much of your your food can be it. There's so many factors, right? Okay, fine, you can find out what your genetics are, you know, you see people in certain Nordic cultures eating attended dairy and are very lean and healthy. But were the cows given hormones were the cows fed GMO grains? Are they exposed to a lot less pesticides and GMOs in our food that are creating the leaky gut? You know, I think if we had if we all have better gut integrity, we tolerate a lot more foods to your point, like is milk good or bad for you? To me? It's it's what you're eating. It's what you're absorbing. That is far more important to me than worrying about the semantics, right? In theory, you know, dairies got it's got sugar, but it also has a lot of protein. I mean, cottage cheese, to me is a is a power food for a lot of people. So if my people tolerate it and say, Yeah, I tell her dairy fine, and they're not having gut issues and like, go for it. You know, it's it's a lot more fun and easier to work with someone who has that much flexibility in their diets for sure. But yeah, once you start introducing external toxins, or parasites or stress or trauma, and that changes the integrity of the gut wall, and the microbiome, then yeah, then all of a sudden, you've got to start saying, Alright, let me just pull some things out my diet, let me simplify it. Let me stick to real food, we manage my stress, let me pull up gut healing nutrients in there and see if I can kind of return to you know, I can tell you personally for me, I mean, you know, my 20s up through my 20s I ate like gluten and dairy. And, you know, once I cut it out, I was like, it's really hard for me to go back. My gut doesn't want it at all, at all.

Ari Gronich 24:38  

Yeah, that's one of the interesting things. I find that when you eliminate something like I don't eat sugar things and I don't drink juices and stuff like that. And every now and then if I even go for a sip of orange juice or apple juice or something like that, I need to dilute it by like 10 to one. Oh, yeah, with water, I mean, like literally this much juice to the rest of the glasses, water, because otherwise, it's just too sweet. And it's ridiculously too sweet. And so, you know, here's a figure, and I don't remember the exact figure, but I think it was somewhere around one gram of sugar, or one and a half grams of sugar in your bloodstream naturally is about the 90, you know, that the 75 to 95, or whatever blood sugar ratio. And so the amount of sugar that we're eating in our diet, I mean, if you could imagine, a gram and a half is what your blood sugar should be, how many grams? Do you put into one cup of coffee? And then how many cups of coffee? And then how many, right? things that you're eating, that you wouldn't necessarily think have sugar in them have sugar added into them. And that that goes along with the genetically modified foods, because as you probably are aware, an apple 50 years ago, had about a 10th of the amount of sugar that an Apple has now. And you have to have about 10 apples to get the equivalent nutritive value as an apple, you know, in the 50s. So how does somebody, you know, navigate this entire world of what we've done, to our health into our environment and to the way in which we consume?

Esther Blum 26:48  

I know ignorance really was bliss in this in this a couple ways. Okay. One is try and look at the big picture, because at the end of the day, you know, there was a great study mercola published years ago about how like, even if you're eating non organic veggies, you're still getting benefits, okay, and the nutrient content is far less than what our grandparents had, our parents had even we had growing up, but if it runs, flies, swims or grows from the ground, it's still real food, and I see people healing their bodies eating in perfectly, not everything's organic, but if they're eating a lot of fruits and veggies and real food, compared to their starting point, they're gonna heal much better. Okay, that's number one. Number two, a really cool thing to do to see how food affects you is to wear a continuous glucose monitor for two weeks. That is a great way to really understand, right? How is that juice affecting me, um, I did it recently, a month or two ago, I wore one just because I was you know, my clients wear them. I'm like, go get one look like, especially for my diabet clients, but my non diabetic clients, like, you really want to figure this out and you're and you're trying to lean out and what you're doing isn't working. Let's throw in a glucose monitor. And my postprandial range was like 110. I started out in like the low 90s and got to like 110. And that's like me eating protein, some carbs, veggies, right. But I had an afternoon and I was like, Alright, well, that's so unexciting. If anything, my sugar was too low at night. So I started one afternoon I had to clementines on an empty stomach, my sugar shot up to 150. And I was like, I'm metabolically healthy. My BMI is good. So what hope is there for people eating like donuts? It's so does and all those things. But people can't argue with the numbers, right? Like your Italian clients that I can't give up tomatoes, like people rationalize and bargain and play games, right? Like, well, I just want my daughter chocolate every day. And I believe me, I do that too. I still want a little chocolate every day or the option to have it right. Because it's such a tiny amount, right? So that's how I justify it and that really didn't affect my blood sugar but the two oranges on an empty stomach sure as hell did. So you really have to you can argue with the numbers right? And now I'm like, Well, if I have fruit I always have it with I mean, I did this before to typically have it with a protein and or a fat app. It was some nuts have some turkey or you know peanut butter, whatever. So I think those two things I was focusing on the big picture because you can get really afraid of food and and paralyzed like well, doesn't matter. Anyway, I'm going to hell for eating, you know, not non organic strawberries. So I may as well have the bag of Lay's potato chips, sour cream, and you still say I'm still doing good, I'm still gonna get results. Great. That's a B if you want to tighten things up, like slap on a glucose monitor for two weeks and see see what your numbers are, then you'll kind of know, Oh, dang, I have to really tighten things up.

Ari Gronich 30:12  

So I'm gonna go a little bit different location with the rest of the conversation. Because there are people like Gaya like me who have underlying conditions. So in my case, brain tumor that is a pituitary tumor, it's hormone secreting, and it messes every working functioning hormone in my body. So, so with food, I have to be so extremely careful to not have estrogen making foods and things that will cause my body to swell and bloat and go into hormone, you know, hormonal conditions more. So, eating for hormonal health is something that I know you teach. And I wanted to get into that a little bit because there are so many people right now suffering from hormonal and autoimmune disorders because of what they're eating, and they don't even and nobody, you know, nobody's telling them what it is that's going on. all they're doing is giving them pills. So,

Esther Blum 31:24  

right. And are you aromatizing your testosterone to estrogen?

Ari Gronich 31:29  

Yep. My estrogen. So when I when I was a kid, I had I started getting hot flashes and migraines when I was seven. I had had to be injected into puberty when I was 12. And I had breast reduction surgery when I was 14. Because I was my estrogen was I think it was triple at the time a man a man's, you know, numbers and so yeah, so the the testosterone was like, even with injections and, and bio identical it's never gone above like 300 or 350 which is way too low. But I also produce no human growth hormone and my cortisol levels and C reactive proteins are out of whack.

Unknown Speaker 32:17  

So

Ari Gronich 32:18  

But again, it's not about me I'm just using as an example Yeah, sure. Sure. No hormonal health is is very important in my world And so yeah,

Unknown Speaker 32:29  

yeah.

Esther Blum 32:31  

So so is your question how to how to balance or if your man how to clear out excess

Ari Gronich 32:36  

estrogens or man or woman how to clear out excess estrogens because women are suffering from the same kind of things. I mean, puberty at I think I heard the earliest one now is four years old for a girl was going through that physical and five. It's not that it is because they're being estrogen ated with all of all of the plastics and sois and stuff.

Unknown Speaker 33:03  

Yeah. Okay,

Ari Gronich 33:04  

so people are suffering from these hormonal options.

Esther Blum 33:08  

Well on fertility issues too, for sure. Okay, so let's talk about lifestyle management first, right, which is your home cleaning up your home because like you mentioned it like a lot of chemicals are mimicking the effect of estrogen and really disrupting our own biochemistry so simple things okay, like having a metal reusable water balls just better for the earth or drinking out of glass glasses not not plastic. Um, years ago I went to like homegoods and Walmart and you know, Amazon and I cleaned out all my plastic Tupperware 's and switch them out with glass top wires and glass top wires are great because they go from the freezer to the refrigerator to the oven to the dishwasher. Assuming you have a dishwasher, so those are great because plastics can leach into the food. So it's better to put things in glass which are inner chemically or metal containers as well. Um, and you know, like kids have like plastic lunchboxes, but you can get metal containers or like metal bento boxes style for kids. Okay, and then like your shampoos, your lotions, your makeup, shaving cream, you know, you deodorants you can get natural forms of those and they can be a little more expensive but it's to me it's so worth it. It's a cheap hospital bill. So do what you can afford and you know, I buy my husband and send their skincare products and stuff. You know Whole Foods has a really good line. or excuse me really good amounts. Now in terms of diet. You want to make sure that you are eating a lot of fiber flax seeds in particular are grab flax seeds are great for men and binding estrogen and pulling them out. pooping is a form of estrogen detox. So you want to make sure that you're pooping everyday if you're constipated. Yeah, eat, eat a lot of veggies, but also drink a lot of water. And you can take some magnesium, that will, you know, as a simple over the counter product called natural calm can give it to kids, it's powder, stir it and water, drink it down. So pooping every day is really important. flax seeds, broccoli, and cruciferous vegetables are also really important for helping support detox pathways in the liver, for getting the estrogen out. Now, in terms of whether or not like, I use a lot of supplements, also in creams, topical creams to help bind estrogen. But in order to do this, I test people with the Dutch test. This is a dried urine test for comprehensive hormones, because one person might need to get dim, which is standard methane, it's not support to estrogen detox, and another person might need, you know, topical test annex or calcium D glue. Great. So I really have to understand how much estrogen you're making, how it detoxifies, and moves through your body and if it's going down the right pathway. And if it's not, then you know, we have to it's complicated, right? You have to support your methylation patterns and all that but certainly, you know, again, getting a diet if you want to simplify this and say, oh, that already feels overwhelming, scary and weird. And you're not sure about testing a you would work with a good practitioner if you think you're estrogen dominant, but be you know, packaging your food in glass. Or if you get meats that are wrapped in plastic, when you come home, wash them, rinse them and dry them with paper towels before you start immediately cooking with them. Get plenty of green vegetables, do not do soy, soy suppresses thyroid function and can suppress testosterone production, even though it's temporary. Once you stop eating, it goes to normal. But those effects can be cumulative and can make girls developed breasts and pubic hair even at a very young age. So you want to be super careful with soy and the volume and amounts of soy milk or you know soy cheese or any of that. But other than that real foods, sweet potatoes you can do lots and lots of veggies, protein, chicken, poultry, fish, none of those are estrogenic and all this can help you support good liver function.

Ari Gronich 37:59  

So the only question I have is that non estrogenic for the meats, is that true if they are pastured you know, grain fed hormone and antibiotic given meats because or, you know, even farmed salmons, and things like that, that I mean, all of those from all the research I've looked at, tend to cause hormone disruption and neurological disruption. So,

Esther Blum 38:32  

you know, it's so crazy to me, I have seen studies that say there's really no difference between pastured and conventionally raised meats on that. So I'm, there's a good book called sacred cow. It's written by Rob Wolf and Diana Rodgers. And even they say like, nutritionally, there's not necessarily a difference, it's just better for the planet. So I can't make a claim one way or the other I simple sides of the research, I don't know, okay,

Ari Gronich 39:03  

because all the research that I do, the fat is completely different omega is, you know, so one is a very inflammatory, creating fat, and the other is not so though, if a cow say is raised and is grass fed, and free range, kind of fat is very much more omega three versus omega six. And, therefore, that inflammatory response causes of hormonal response. That's at least the studies that I've that I've seen, so I just kind of want I want to get people yes, it's better to have something than nothing at all. Yeah, but at the same time, it's better to spend a little bit more, eat a little bit less like you didn't eat massive amounts of meat, three meals a day, growing up, you know, in the case Right, it was as it was, once in a while when we got, you know, the when we hunted, that we got him. So I would just say, eat less, but eat better quality of it, and you'll find that you're actually more satisfied anyway. And so, cracked,

Unknown Speaker 40:20  

cracked.

Ari Gronich 40:21  

If you're scared about money, you find that if you're not eating in the middle of the store, like all the processed foods, food goes a lot further a lot, you know, more economical, even when you're eating healthier organic foods.

Esther Blum 40:40  

Yes, correct. Correct. And you know, when you find foods in season two, they're a lot less expensive, too. So the price does go down. But to your point, yes. I mean, I wrote a Paleo Diet book for women called cave, women don't get

Unknown Speaker 40:53  

fat. And

Esther Blum 40:56  

I have all those studies in there published and I write all about the grass fed meat. So I was surprised when more recent research came out and said, it's actually not that different. So I was like, What? How is this possible? Okay, it blew my mind.

Ari Gronich 41:09  

Yeah, I wonder. Yeah, I wonder how much of this

Unknown Speaker 41:13  

is cooking it?

Esther Blum 41:14  

I mean, grass fed me is much more difficult for me to cook because it is it's so lean, and it's tougher. And, you know, it's hard to find the same cuts of meat that I get from a conventional butcher. So it is a little trickier. But yeah, we kind of do a hybrid, we do both, depending on where because the grass fed butcher is nowhere near us to hike to get to. So we can do a mix of both. I'll be perfectly transparent. Say I'm not perfect with my eating either. But I look at the big picture. I'm like, Okay,

Unknown Speaker 41:48  

yeah, you know, me the enemy of done.

Ari Gronich 41:52  

None of us are perfect with our eating. You know, sourdough bread is still one of my, my, my curses along with with sushi, is it's one of the things that I love, and I don't care about the mercury, because I'll eat it once. And I'll, you know, enjoy every little bit of it. And then I just won't eat it for a while.

Unknown Speaker 42:15  

Yeah. Yeah.

Esther Blum 42:19  

balance, you have to live, you know, and I cringe at that word, because to me, it's like on par with moderation, which every dietitian is like, taught moderation till the cows come home. But, but there is balance and you know, pleasure is a nutrient to, and,

Unknown Speaker 42:36  

you know, I still

Esther Blum 42:37  

have a cocktail every now and then I still have, you know, things I enjoy. And don't don't stress about too much, because I'll raise your cortisol more than anything else.

Ari Gronich 42:48  

And it's true. Yet the stress that we put on ourselves with eating disorders, and trying to fit into an image that we think somebody should, you know, has of what we think they should have of us. You know, it's like, most of the time, people aren't noticing anywhere near the same things that you think that they're noticing about you.

Esther Blum 43:16  

I always say, you know, nobody's noticing the size of your thighs, they're too busy worrying about the size of their own thighs. So

Ari Gronich 43:24  

absolutely. So tell us just, you know, to kind of close up what are a few of the things that people can do immediately to shift and change their own health in a way that that's powerful, but simple and easy.

Esther Blum 43:43  

Yeah, so I'm picking up investing in a couple of sets of dumbbells is really important right now.

Unknown Speaker 43:50  

Um,

Esther Blum 43:52  

you think I would say food would be the first thing out of my mouth. But you know, this pandemic has taken its toll obesity is a whole nother level of a pandemic right now and people may not be going to gyms for a while longer origins may not be open I God willing they are but you know, don't sit and wait for the perfect conditions to arise to invest in a little bit of home workout equipment. So you have you could start with your own bodyweight, a furniture sliders, that is a couple bucks and can make lunges and squats really dynamic and challenging.

Unknown Speaker 44:32  

But you

Esther Blum 44:33  

want to make sure that you are doing some kind of strength training because you don't want to lose, you know, be so sedentary this year that everything's going to pot you want to make sure you're maintaining you know, so a kettlebell set of weights, trs, make sure that you're investing in some kind of strength equipment and you can get free videos on YouTube for strength workouts, even using your own bodyweight to start Okay, so Don't build excuses for why you're not going to the gym right now find ways to make it work for you at home. And you don't need a lot of space. You don't need a lot of equipment, but you need some you need some resistance training, it's really important. So number two is sleep. Sleep reigns Queen when it comes to being your metabolic mistress or metabolic master. So sleep is really, really important. If you're not sleeping, it's really hard to heal your body and fix your adrenals and fix your cortisol and stay insulin sensitive. So make sure that your sleep hygiene is good. It's one of the hardest things I think sleep habits are harder for my clients to change than giving up booze or coffee. And my clients who are going to bed past 1231 132 are struggling with their weight loss, they're struggling to see results far more than people who front load their sleep and get to bed closer to 10. That's when you're producing the most those are the golden hours tend to when you're producing the most growth hormone, repairing your blood glucose mechanisms in your receptors. So make sure you're getting sleep. And three, of course, I'm going to say protein ra because we need more protein as we age, not less. So make sure you're getting you know 3040 grams a meal, this will sustain your blood sugar for up to six hours, it will promote mental cognitive health, it will boost neurotransmitter function, it will prevent the 3pm crash, it will prevent cravings and make you a nicer person. And if you are listening to this and you're a menstruating female, the second half of your cycle, you're even more insulin resistant and less insulin sensitive. So make sure you double up your protein that second half and it will offset your cravings, your bloat your weight gain all those things.

Ari Gronich 47:02  

And I'll just add to add iron iron to that mix cuz you don't want to ever get to a place of anemia.

Unknown Speaker 47:10  

That's correct. That's correct.

Ari Gronich 47:14  

So awesome. So how can people get ahold of you?

Esther Blum 47:17  

So you can go to my website, Esther blum.com and for the first seven callers, I or people who respond to this by me going old school here, you can get a free 30 minute consultation with me. This is a laser focused coaching call for people who are serious about moving the needle with their health. So you go to Esther blum.com forward slash call that cll. And you can get in my appointment book and you and I will talk and you will leave with three strategic customized tools to help you move the needle, whether it's you want weight loss, you want to sleep better, you want to balance your hormones,

Unknown Speaker 48:01  

we will

Esther Blum 48:02  

have you leave with a written instruction list of

Unknown Speaker 48:05  

what you need.

Ari Gronich 48:07  

Nice. Thank you so much for being here. You know, every episode I like to to leave the audience with doable things so that they can create a new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So thank you so much for activating your vision. And not just that, but coming out into the public. You know, I like to say silence is a bully's best friend. So let's get loud. And I appreciate everybody who comes onto the show getting loud. And going up against the bullies like big agriculture, big pharmaceutical, big medicine, and general and, and saying, Hey, here's, here's the truth. We don't know about this science, because it's been paid for and bought. But we do know that based on these 1000s of years, and what we can say is if you eat this amount of food, you're going to be healthier, and if you get about this amount of walking in and this amount of movement, so I appreciate all of your wisdom. Thank you so much for coming on. I know you're busy. So thank you. And this has been another episode. So thank you so much for listening. And hopefully you have gotten an amazing amount of things that you can do right now to create your new tomorrow today. We'll see you next time. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap And joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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Esther Blum 0:00  

There's a tremendous amount of clinical research on the importance of protein for longevity for bone density, you know, muscle, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, she's my doctor and my my sister, my friend, but she always talks about how you know, muscle is the organ of longevity and, and there's so much clinical research on, you know, how we actually need to increase the guidelines for the RDI for protein that it's under what it should be and Case in point, you know, if if I do the math and give a healthy individual point, what is it I think it's like point six or point eight grams per kilogram of protein. They're getting what my renal failure patients used to get in the hospital.

Hi, I am here with Daniel bruce Levin. He ​walked away from a huge opportunity (to work his way up from pushing a broom to running a billion dollar business), to hitchhike around the world to find happiness and inner peace. His life has been dedicated to finding the peace and contentment that comes from truly knowing yourself. His mission has become holding the space for others to find that peace too.

Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am Ari Gronich your host and I have with me, Daniel Bruce Levin, this is a man I'm gonna let him tell you about himself. But he basically turned away walked away from a billion running a billion dollar company. And in exchange for that, decided to hitchhike around the world, find inner peace and happiness. Live is a monk in a monastery, I mean, this guy or being a rabbi, you know, he's got the beard. So, you know, he's got that that Rabbi ask, you know, frame around him, if you if I was able to show you on my wall here I've got I've got a great Rabbi got the same beard, you know? So anyway, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and how, how you became this sought after person who could choose to walk away from running a billion dollar opportunity.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:16  

I've lived a really interesting life. I think a little different than most people, although everybody's life is different. So I don't mean to make mine better or worse. It isn't a compare. It isn't a comparison. It's just I've lived a different life. And I think the most compelling thing that brought me my why was losing my parents two years apart on the same day. My dad died when I was 13. And he was my hero. I looked up to him, and I couldn't understand why my hero would be taken from me for no apparent reason. My mum died two years later on exactly the same day at exactly the same time. And so I was a naive little kid very protected in a very protected neighborhood in Philadelphia. I remember when john F. Kennedy was running for president, he came down one of the side streets that we did by the house where we lived in a parade, you know, sort of just she's just getting votes, I guess. And the big talk was that he was the first Catholic ever running for president. And I remember walking back to my mom and saying, Mom, I can't believe it. So all the presidents have been Jewish there. Since they've Adam. That's how sheltered and protected I was. And she said, No, Danny, that's not there hasn't ever been a Jewish president. But I was a naive kid in a sheltered environment. And my parents just loved and adored me in a way that I've never, I always wanted to be loved and adored. And when they were gone, I wondered, why would that taken? Not only why, where did they go? But why was that taken from me? Where was I ever going to find that love again. And it was only in writing the book that's over my left shoulder. For anybody who's watching this one video that I realized what happened is, when my parents passed away, I asked the adults who were the wisest people that I knew where my parents go. And they told me, they went to a place called heaven. So as a kid, I set out on a search for heaven.

Ari Gronich 3:23  

We talked about this in our pre interview. And, you know, my first response is, I wish that could have happened to me, right?

Unknown Speaker 3:32  

Yes,

Ari Gronich 3:33  

I wish that somebody back then at that level, would have said to me, I see something in you. And I want to take you under my wing, and I want to mentor you into becoming the best and the greatest that you can be. Yeah, however, you had a different outcome. So we'll just get into that. But I just wanted to interject my my own thought of No, but, you know, that was like, Holy moly. What, what? What would have stopped me from doing that?

Daniel Bruce Levin 4:13  

Yes. And you are like, probably 99.9% of the people in the world, which my uncle pointed out to me when I said to him, I would like you watch me for a month and a half. And you're, you're brilliant man. Look what you've created. You've created this international conglomerate of business that in your household name. I'm just a kid. I can't make a decision like that. Right now. I would like to watch you for one year to see if what you're offering me is what I want. Of course, it sounds beautiful. From a financial point of view, who doesn't want to be a bit or doesn't want to run a billion dollar corporation and have more money then God. But I want to see if if what it brings with it is something that I can live with.

Ari Gronich 5:08  

Right, but and so, so So before you go on. So how did you get to that place? At? How old were you at the time? 17 1515 Okay, so you're a 15 year old kid that's been sheltered. just lost his mom and dad. And yet you're telling your uncle who's a billionaire. You know, I want to watch you and see if who you are is who I want to be. Yeah, I mean, that takes some Kahunas as well as, amid some stupidity. A level will stupid. Yeah, but a level of maturity. Yes. Same time. That is crazy. So how did you, you know, like backstep? yourself? Yep. Analyze who you are before this. Right. Yeah. How did you become a person? What was the what were the things that made that be something that you would say?

Daniel Bruce Levin 6:15  

Yeah, beautiful question. Remember, what I discovered through the Mosaic, and what I discovered, after only five or six years ago, five years ago, writing the Mosaic, I didn't know the answers to that question then. But in looking back, in retrospect, I realized that I was looking for that place called heaven. And for a lot of people that have been would have been having a billion dollar company here, because having money is what people think will buy them happiness. But what I ended up seeing was the happiness that I was looking for wasn't a result of that money. There were people that had that money that were happy, there were people that had that money that were miserable. And one of the things that kept me from doing it, because I said, I'd like a year to see how who you are. A year to the day, he took me out to lunch again. And in the end, he said, I'd like an answer to my question. And I said, you have to be in the permanent, you know, punk that I was. I said, you got to ask a question before I can give you an answer. He said, Oh, so you forgot what you promised me a year ago? I said, No, I didn't forget. I just forgot that today was one year. And I'll never forget that again. I see how exactly you're

Ari Gronich 7:33  

What year is this?

Daniel Bruce Levin 7:34  

This was I was born in 55. So it was 1971. Okay, so you're 1970? Actually,

Ari Gronich 7:43  

you're 16. This is the beginning of the 70s. We've got the hippie movement. Right. And crossing over to the disco world, right. This is what's happening in the world. We've got gas shortages, we've got Nixon we've got right, this is what's happening in the world. And you're telling your billionaire Uncle, I am looking to be happy within myself. Yeah, again, I'm just I'm repeating this because I think it's important that people realize the mindset that comes along with whatever success you're you're partaking in, and how important it is to feel honoring within yourself. And, you know, I like you watch a lot of the people who appear to be in power. And because I've had the opportunity to be hands on, so to speak with them. I know whether they're happy or not I know whether they're fulfilled or not. And I know, kind of the the pieces of where they're fulfilled and where they're not. But I'm also an adult, at this point who's had a lot of years of experience, right? So you're 16 you're in the 70s. It's the beginning of this movement of turning over for the Age of Aquarius, right? So everybody's preparing. And you're telling your uncle that you'd rather be happy than be a billionaire?

Daniel Bruce Levin 9:27  

Yeah. Well, it wasn't that I'd rather be happy than be a billionaire. But I wanted the ability to be myself. And I honestly when I look at the world around me today, one of the things that I see is that there are a lot of people that have a lot of money. But there are not a lot of people that know themselves very well. It doesn't mean that people that have money don't know themselves or people that are poor don't know themselves. I don't find anybody. I don't find many people in any of Those stratas fears that actually know who they are and feel comfortable in their own self. And when you find somebody like that, that person can be Richard before, can be ugly, can be fat can be can be old can be young. But when that person walks into a room with a with the presence of knowing themselves, and feeling that presence, people are drawn to it like bees to honey. And, and that was what I was looking for I was looking for that unconditional love that my parents gave me, I wanted to be that I wanted to feel that and as, as much as that business would have given me so much joy, so much ability to have to have things that nobody in this world could have. I didn't see the possibility for me at that point for it to give me the ability to have what I wanted.

Ari Gronich 10:54  

So I just I keep going back to that you're 18 years old, your age at the time and the level of maturity. But also, where did you learn the value of questions? Because obviously, obviously, you had them at an earlier age, and I would imagine that you had them before your parents passed. But where did you learn that value of curiosity, the value of of questioning and being curious?

Daniel Bruce Levin 11:35  

Well, I mean, even when john kennedy went down the street, outside our, by the border, our neighborhood, I said, Does that mean all the other presidents were Jewish? You know, I mean, a questions like I was always I tested it in, in preschool in preschool and elementary school, with an IQ of a genius. And I never really said much about it or cared much about it. But I think the genius mind is a mind that's inquisitive. I think, you know, part of the curse of having a genius mind, is it's so easy to think that I know something that I don't know. And, and somewhere along the line, I realize the curse of the genius mind is the arrogance that comes with it, of knowing things that other people don't know. And I realized that I can ask questions to find out what people do know, rather than assume that I know what they they know. Oftentimes, what they told me was exactly what I thought. But sometimes it wasn't. And I I always, even to this day, about 1015 years ago, a company by the name of Vistage, they train CEOs, they hire people to train CEOs, how to better their business. And they recruited me at one point in time to see if I could be one of their people. And I ended up not going with them. But they have a slogan and a saying that goes along with their company that I wish to God I had come up with, but I didn't. So I give credit to them for it because it's exactly what I do. They said when people come to us, they think that we're going to answer their questions. But in truth, what we do is we question their answers. I thought that was brilliant. And it's really the practice that I do. I question. All through my life, I've been a disrupter. Even as a kid, I questioned the answers that people gave me because I didn't see the same way they saw. I always saw things differently. And in seeing things differently, what they thought was just cut and dry, easy answer. When I questioned them, I realized they didn't really know the answers to the questions of their answers. They just said their answers because they were the answers.

Ari Gronich 13:55  

Yeah, you know, it's funny. On that note, I'm gonna you know, and the call but my men's weekend with Justin Sterling. He used to say, it's not what we're saying. That means anything during this weekend, this was at the beginning his opening monologue. It's how we are when we're together. Yeah, that makes all the difference in the world. And I've always remembered that as a good place to start. Yeah, you know, it's not so much the words. It's not so much the ideas, the concepts, the thoughts. Those are all subjective. It's how we are when we're together and how we make each other feel. And so you have an livened. I've enjoyed your presence here. accompany your words of wisdom, and all the ticks, you know, tips, tricks, techniques and things that will help my audience, create a new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So, thank you so much, Danny. I really appreciate you. And we're going to end this call. But remember to like, subscribe, comment, review, do all those things that allow us to communicate with you so that we can have conversations that matter. And I look forward to engaging in in conversations about this conversation. So thank you so much, and we'll see you next time.

Unknown Speaker 15:48  

Thanks for having me.

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We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari Gronich. And this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am Ari Gronich your host, and I have with me Daniel Bruce Levin, this is a man I'm gonna let him tell you about himself. But he basically turned away walked away from a billion running a billion dollar company. And in exchange for that, decided to hitchhike around the world, find inner peace and happiness. Live is a monk in a monastery, I mean, this guy or being a rabbi, you know, he's got the beard. So, you know, he's got that that Rabbi ask, you know, frame around him, if you if I was able to show you on my wall here I've got I've got a great Rabbi got the same beard, you know? So anyway, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and how, how you became this sought after person who could choose to walk away from running a billion dollar opportunity.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:26  

I've lived a really interesting life. I think a little different than most people, although everybody's life is different. So I don't mean to make mine better or worse. It isn't a compare. It isn't a comparison. It's just I've lived a different life. And I think the most compelling thing that brought me my why was losing my parents two years apart on the same day. My dad died when I was 13. And he was my hero. I looked up to him, and I couldn't understand why my hero would be taken from me for no apparent reason. My mom died two years later on exactly the same day at exactly the same time. And so I was a naive little kid very protected in a very protected neighborhood in Philadelphia. I remember when john F. Kennedy was running for president, he came down one of the side streets that we did by the house where we lived in a parade, you know, sort of just she's just getting votes, I guess. And the big talk was that he was the first Catholic ever running for president. And I remember walking back to my mom and saying, Mom, I can't believe it. So all the presidents have been Jewish there, since they've had them. That's how sheltered and protected I was. And she said, No, Danny, that's not there hasn't ever been a Jewish president. But I was a naive kid in a sheltered environment. And my parents just loved and adored me in a way that I've never, I always wanted to be loved and adored. And when they were going to wondered, why was that taken? Not only why, where did they go, but why was that taken from me? Where was I ever going to find that love again. And it was only in writing the book that's over my left shoulder. For anybody who's watching this one video that I realized what happened is, when my parents passed away, I asked the adults who were the wisest people that I knew Where'd my parents go.

And they told me, they went to a place called heaven. So as a kid, I set out on a search for heaven.

I didn't know where it was, I didn't know if it was if it was a story that I could go to on the main square in the main square. You know, I didn't know what it was. So I just set out in search of that place. And I was given all these opportunities when my parents passed away. My uncle was a household name around the world. And in those days, this was 50 some years ago. In those days, men didn't give their businesses to their daughters, even though their daughters were smarter, and probably way more capable than AI. They just didn't give them to them to them. And when he saw me come into the family, he didn't have any sons. He said to me, I'm going to watch you for a little while. And if I see something in you that I think I'm going to see, I'm going to change your life with an offer I'm going to make to you. And about a month and a half later, he said to me, he took me out to lunch. And he said, Danny, today's a day your life is going to change. And I said really what's going to happen? He said, I've been watching you and you have a peculiar trait about you that will either make you incredibly successful or make you a complete failure. I hope that I can mentor you towards success. What I'd like to do is start you tomorrow, pushing a broom in my office. And I want you to rise to the level that you can naturally rise to and I will be mentoring you in the hallway along the way so you will not fall And when you get to the place where you no longer have the skill and ability to get farther, I will mentor you pass that fifth place, because I believe I see in you somebody that can in 15 years time take over my business. That was a multi billion dollar business

Ari Gronich 5:15  

yet, you know, we talked about this in our pre interview. And, you know, my first response is, I wish that could have happened to me, right?

Unknown Speaker 5:26  

Yes,

Ari Gronich 5:27  

I wish that somebody back then at that level, would have said to me, I see something in you. And I want to take you under my wing, and I want to mentor you into becoming the best and the greatest that you can be. Yeah, however, you had a different outcome. So we'll just get into that. But I just wanted to interject my, my own thought of No, but, you know, that was like, Holy moly. What, what? What would have stopped me from doing that?

Daniel Bruce Levin 6:06  

Yes. I, you are, like probably 99.9% of the people in the world, which my uncle pointed out to me when I said to him, I would like you watch me for a month and a half. And you're, you're brilliant, man. Look what you've created, you've created this international conglomerate of business that in your household name. I'm just a kid. I can't make a decision like that. Right now. I would like to watch you for one year to see if what you're offering me is what I want. Of course, it sounds beautiful. From a financial point of view, who doesn't want to be a bit or doesn't want to run a billion dollar corporation and have more money than God? But I want to see if if what it brings with it is something that I can live with.

Ari Gronich 7:02  

Right. But and so Okay, so So before you go on. So how did you get to that place? At? How old were you at the time? 17, 15 ,15. Okay, so you're a 15 year old kid that's been sheltered, just lost his mom and dad. And yet, you're telling your uncle who's a billionaire. You know, I want to watch you and see if who you are is who I want to be. Yeah, I mean, that takes some Kahunas as well as, amid some stupidity. A level will stupid. Yeah, but a level of maturity. Yes. Same time. That is crazy. So how did you, you know, like backstep yourself? Yep. Analyze who you are before this? Right. Yeah. How did you become a person? What was the what were the things that made that be something that you would say?

Daniel Bruce Levin 8:09  

Yeah, beautiful question. Remember, what I discovered through the Mosaic, and what I discovered, after only five or six years ago, five years ago, writing the Mosaic, I didn't know the answers to that question then. But in looking back, in retrospect, I realized that I was looking for that place called heaven. And for a lot of people that have been would have been having a billion dollar company here, because having money is what people think will buy them happiness. But what I ended up seeing was the happiness that I was looking for wasn't a result of that money. There were people that had that money that were happy. There were people that had that money that were miserable. And one of the things that kept me from doing it, because I said, I'd like a year to see how who you are. A year to the day, he took me out to lunch again. And in and he said, I'd like an answer to my question. And I said, you have to be in the permanent, you know, punk that I was. I said, you got to ask a question before I can give you an answer. He said, Oh, so you forgot what you promised me a year ago? I said, No, I didn't forget. I just forgot that today was one year. And I'll never forget that again. I see how exactly you're. So I he said, Do you have an answer? I said, Yes. It's going to come in the form of three questions. And he said, okay, that doesn't sound good. You know that 99.9% of the people would have said, would have said when I first asked them, where's the broom? Let me start today. Not not wait till tomorrow. And now it's a year later and you have three questions for me. This doesn't bode well. Tell me what your three questions are. And remember, I said you you can either this quality that you have can either make you a huge success or a huge failure. And I have to say I'm in intrigued by the fact that you just don't run like everybody else would to that answer, because there's something in you that intrigues me. I don't know, I've never met somebody like you that's not influenced by the, by the power of what that money can give you. So I said, Okay, I have three questions for you. And when I asked him the three questions, it was clear to everybody,

both of us for sure. that that wasn't meant for me to do. And he said, You know, I'm going to have to excommunicate you as a result of that.

And I said, I said, I didn't realize you were going to have to, but I assumed you could. Because that's what people do, when like, you've given me your heart and soul, you've poured out on the table, everything that is important to you, you've offered to me, and you feel like I'm walking away from it. With with, with no respect. But that isn't what's happening. Like, it's in respect of, it's, it's an out of respect for you that I can't do that. Because that can never be the another version of you. And there's no room for me to be me in the company that you created. And so, I would rather be an unhappy version of myself than an unattainable unhappy version of you. Because I think I'll find happiness and being made whether I have money or not, that will make me happy. But I want to, I need to find myself, I need to find that Evan that I'm looking for, which is that place of unconditional love. And it starts with me, honoring and respecting and unconditionally loving myself. Alright, to the point that I know what's right, again, please 16

Ari Gronich 11:47  

What year is this?

Daniel Bruce Levin 11:49  

This was I was born in 55. So it was 1971.

Unknown Speaker 11:53  

Okay,

Ari Gronich 11:54  

so you're citing 70?

Unknown Speaker 11:56  

Actually, you're 16.

Ari Gronich 12:00  

This is the beginning of the 70s. We've got the hippie movement, right was in and crossing over to the disco world, right? This is what's happening in the world. We've got gas shortages, we've got Nixon we've got right, this is what's happening in the world. And you're telling your billionaire Uncle, I am looking to be happy within myself. Yeah, again, I'm just I'm repeating this because I think it's important that people realize the mindset that comes along with whatever success you're you're partaking in, and how important it is to feel honoring within yourself. And, you know, I like you watch a lot of the people who appear to be in power. And because I've had the opportunity to be hands on, so to speak with them. I know whether they're happy or not, I know whether they're fulfilled or not. And I know, kind of the the pieces of where they're fulfilled and where they're not. But I'm also an adult, at this point who's had a lot of years of experience, right? So you're 16 you're in the 70s it's the beginning of this movement of turning over for the Age of Aquarius, right? So everybody's preparing. And you're telling your uncle that you'd rather be happy than be a billionaire?

Daniel Bruce Levin 13:42  

Yeah, well, it wasn't that I'd rather be happy than be a billionaire. But I wanted the ability to be myself. And I honestly when I look at the world around me today, one of the things that I see is that there are a lot of people that have a lot of money. But there are not a lot of people that know themselves very well. It doesn't mean that people that have money don't know themselves or people that are poor don't know themselves. I don't find anybody I don't find many people in any of those stratosphere is that actually know who they are and feel comfortable in their own self. And when you find somebody like that, that person can be Richard before can be ugly, can be sad, can be can be old can be young. But when that person walks into a room with a prayer with the presence of knowing themselves, and feeling that presence, people are drawn to it like bees to honey. And, and that was what I was looking for. I was looking for that unconditional love that my parents gave me. I wanted to be that I wanted to feel that and as as much as that business would have given me so much joy, so much ability to have to have things that nobody in this world could have

I didn't see the possibility for me at that point for it to give me the ability to have what I wanted.

In retrospect, now, what I've learned about the heaven that I was looking for, is that heaven is a change of perspective, that heaviness, the ability to sweat to look at what we've always seen one way, and see it entirely different to be curious about how other people see it. And now in looking back, what I realized, I could have easily gone into my own boss company. I could have easily changed my perspective, and been and found my happiness, right, in that I could, I could have found that in, in starting organizational psychology when my hair was down to my waist. And I said to my professor, what in the world do you see in me that looks like an organizational guy? What are you crazy, but I was so arrogant and so sure of myself, that now when I look back, some 40 years later, I'm working with organizations and i'm doing i'm doing organizational psychology with them now. And in the work that I do, sometimes, I could have been that in the rabbinical school. What we do doesn't determine our happiness, who we are determines our happiness. But I didn't see that then. I was just a kid and I didn't.

Ari Gronich 16:25  

Is it who we are? How we are?

Daniel Bruce Levin 16:29  

Yes, it's, it's, it's, it's probably all of that. But when I say who we are. There, we I did some work, I branded a coaching company is one of the things that I did. And they had a beautiful assessment that they did with people. And they look at the seven different ways that people show up in the world. And who a person is really determines how they show up in the world. And they can either show up as a victim, as a confrontational person, as someone who rationalizes everything, as someone who wants to please other people and will do everything they can for other people, they can show up in a win win situation where everybody wins, they can show up in a place where there is nobody to win with, there's only one, we're all together, we're all united. Or they can show up in the place where none of this is real at all it all just as an illusion. And depending on where you where we show up, where I show up in any situation, determines the outcome of how that situation looks to me. And it was really beautiful.

Ari Gronich 17:46  

So So then I go back to the previous part of your story. What are the three questions that you asked your uncle?

Daniel Bruce Levin 17:54  

I thought I could slip by that. But I see your sharp you won't let me go on. So I remembered who he was he had a they had a beautiful big house and in the Midwest. And for his birthday, one year while I was there that about 400 people showed up for his birthday party.

Unknown Speaker 18:14  

And I went up

Daniel Bruce Levin 18:15  

to him and I said at one point in the midst of the party, I said, Boy, you must feel so happy. You must feel so proud of who you are as a human being that you would have 400 people come here and celebrate your birthday with you. I mean, how does it feel to be that loved and admired? And he said, Danny, let me let me tell you something. You have you have rose colored glasses. And that's the way you look at the world. These people aren't here because they love and admire me. These people are here because I have a lot of money.

And they want something from me. So I said Do you remember when you said that to me?

And he said, Yes, I do. I said why would you want to give me that gift? Why would you want to give me that the lack of faith in myself. I wasn't a lovable I wasn't I wasn't the friends that I had didn't want to be friends with me. They only wanted what I had. And maybe I and then he said, Okay, I see. I see where you're going. This isn't looking so well. What's your second question?

Unknown Speaker 19:27  

And I said,

Daniel Bruce Levin 19:28  

I said, Let's imagine for a minute that I could get past that hurdle. But I doubt I could I mean you're brilliant. You're, you're you're wise intuitive men. So if you can't get by it What chance do I have getting by but let's imagine for the moment that I could. I remember sitting around the dining room table with the family one one night having dinner. And the girls were just starting to get boys at boys were just starting to get interested in them and they were talking about The boys that they liked and the boys liked them. I said, Do you remember your response? Do you remember what you said? He said, Yes, I do. But what do you think I said them. I said, here's my recollection, tell me if I'm right or not. You said to them girls, as attractive as you are as smart as you are as as, as kind and funny as you are. These guys don't give a damn about who you are, they give a damn about what your last name is. And just be careful that the only reason they love you is because of your last night name. Because you single handedly can change the projection, the trajectory of their life just in a relationship. So just be careful that they're not using you for your for your last name.

As it's to say, I could get past the first hurdle. Why would you want to give that gift to my children?

And he said, Okay, this doesn't look so great. What's your third question? I said, I love that you want to start me at the bottom pushing a broom. And I love that you don't want to just hand me over something that I'm not that I haven't I haven't earned. But as I come up from pushing a broom and talking and being involved with every level of every person in the construction company, I imagine I'm going to see certain things that you don't see anymore, because you're not that you don't have that involvement with them. If I see things or hear things from those people that I think could really change the company and help the company to have a culture that's even better than the culture that's there now. Would you allow me the space to make those changes? I said, Do you remember what you said to me? He said, like it was yesterday, tell me what you think I said to you. I said, I think you said to me, if it ain't broken, we fix it, Danny. And he said, That's spot on, I would say the same thing to you again.

So I said, if I could get over the first hurdle, if I could get over the second hurdle. I still have a third hurdle, and that there's no place for me really in your company.

Because I wouldn't be permitted to make the things that were when MIT would put my earmark on it. And he said, What do you really think?

I mean, have you started any billion dollar companies? I said, Of course not. So I said, I think we have our decision, don't you?

And he said, unfortunately, so remember I said to you, your intelligence would either make you successful? Or would or would make your proper I think it's going to make you a pauper right now, this is a stupid decision. I said I understand. And you're probably right. But I would rather make a stupid decision on the chance of being happy being made, then make a wise decision with with the possibility of ever being new, and being unhappy the rest of my life doing that.

Ari Gronich 23:10  

All right.

Unknown Speaker 23:12  

Wow.

Ari Gronich 23:13  

So I just I keep going back to your 18 years old, your age at the time and the level of maturity. But also, where did you learn the value of questions? Because obviously, obviously, you had them at an earlier age. And I would imagine that you had them before your parents passed. But where did you learn that value of curiosity, the value of of questioning and being curious? Well,

Daniel Bruce Levin 23:55  

I mean, even when john kennedy went down the street, outside our, by the border, our neighborhood, I said, Does that mean all the other presidents were Jewish? You know, I mean, a questions like I was always I tested it in, in preschool in preschool and elementary school, with an IQ of a genius. And I never really said much about it or cared much about it. But I think the genius mind is a mind that's inquisitive. I think, you know, part of the curse of having a genius mind, is it's so easy to think that I know something that I don't know. And, and somewhere along the line, I realize the curse of the genius mind is the arrogance that comes with it, of knowing things that other people don't know. And I realized that I can ask questions to find out what people do know, rather than assume that I know what they did. They know oftentimes what they told me was exactly what I thought, but sometimes it wasn't. And I always, even to this day, have About 10 or 15 years ago, a company by the name of Vistage. They train CEOs. They hire people to train CEOs, how to better their business. And they recruited me at one point in time to see if I could be one of their people. And I ended up not going with them. But they have Cogan and the saying that goes along with their company that I wish to God I had come up with, but I didn't. So I give credit to them for it because it's exactly what I do. They said, when people come to us, they think that we're going to answer their questions. But in truth, what we do is we question their answers. I thought that was brilliant. And it's really the practice that I do. I question. All through my life, I've been a disrupter. Even as a kid, I questioned the answers that people gave me because I didn't see the same way they saw. I always saw things differently. And in seeing things differently, what they thought was just cut and dry, easy answer. When I questioned them, I realized they didn't really know the answers to the questions of their answers. They just said their answers because they were the answers.

Ari Gronich 26:15  

So how often do you say the phrase? Yeah, I know.

Daniel Bruce Levin 26:22  

Rarely,

Ari Gronich 26:24  

I asked that because I remember being a kid. And you know, I was unlike most I was five years old, when I first started having conversations about philosophy and religion and politics. And I never understood kids my age, necessarily. I was definitely an introvert who likes to read and like to study and research and I read non fiction biographies of people in history. That was like my thing. I loved learning about people, and why they made the decisions that they made. And I was curious, but I also had that I know that because I would study so much that I felt like I knew. And then about 2000, the year 2000. I did the sterling men's weekend. So I was 24 years old and and doing this thing called the sterling men's weekend, which came out of asked and is a powerful experience. And one of my buddies that I met through that organization, his name is Bill Chapelle. And Bill Chapelle was one of Werner Earhart's coaches back before asked. Yeah, he also was one of the first five rebirth authors with Leonard or on the planet. I mean, this is a guy whose ability at psychology and knowing the brain and knowing motivation and all that is unparalleled. And he became a very good friend of mine. But he used to say to me, for me, to think that I know anything about anything, including what I'm saying right now, is the height of arrogance. Yeah. Because for all I know, I could be the ball in somebody's pinball game, being flipped around all over the place and have no control because 99.999% of what reality is, is unperceivable to the human condition. Yeah.

Daniel Bruce Levin 28:55  

When I say very rarely, I say, I mean, I meant that now. But growing up as an African kid, I've probably said it a lot.

Ari Gronich 29:03  

Oh, good. I just wanted to make sure that, yeah,

Daniel Bruce Levin 29:06  

I would I because what my gift was so to speak, was I was great at breaking down walls and starting things up. And I also had the gift and still do, of knowing how things and so when I knew how things were going to end, and when I started things up, and I knew how things were going to end. I had very little patience for the time in the middle. Because I wondered, well, it's obvious This is what's going to happen. Why do we have to waste all this time getting there? What I realized in my older age, is that tendency has made me miss out on most of the beautiful things and most of the pains and most of the things that give life all of its texture and all of its color. Because I didn't take time to sit there and smell the roses so to speak. I didn't take time to experience some of the experiences because I was as hell bent on getting to the end and starting up something new. And I didn't even feel like that was something that I was missing out on. Until I realized there's some things in my life now that I want to look back on. I haven't dealt with I haven't resolved, I haven't given the time sales. And all those things are important for us to determine who we are and what we feel, not to just glaze over them and run past them. But just I'm not, I'm not suggesting that we build houses in them, and stay stuck in them. But I am suggesting that we take a walk through them and walk into them and walk out of them. And when we can do that we we leave them in because they've even been our best, rather than in a room that we've locked them in with padlocks and scared to death that they'll come out one day at a second.

Ari Gronich 30:54  

So I'm going to ask you a, I think it's probably a tough question that you'll find easily. But it's a tough question for many people, logic and emotion. And the question becomes, I can so I'll just take me for an example. I can experience an experience, logically know that that was an experience that had all kinds of intricacies and nuance to it. But the emotional triggers may still create reaction in the future versus response, right. So I'm reacting to what was when, even though I logically have I have this logical mind that says, Okay, this is just silly. So how do we how do you get? How do people is there any tools or techniques that get people from the logic where you can understand something to the emotion where you actually will do the thing that may emotionally be outside of your history and pattern?

Daniel Bruce Levin 32:16  

Yeah, when I find out, I'll let you know. But, you know, they, there's that common saying that the hardest, longest hardest journey we ever take is about an 18 inch journey from our head to our heart. That when you speak of what you speak of I can I, you are a mirror of me saying the same thing to myself. I know, I know things. And I feel things. And for me, the greatest moments of conflict are when core values of what I know and what I feel, are in different places and are in opposition to each other. Those are the places where I have the most difficulty getting through. Because either way I lose and I win. And it's hard to lose, it's hard to give up something that you that you really want. Because there's something else that you really want. It's not that. And so in both cases, you've come out scarred, I came out scarred. But that doesn't like the only thing that I can tell you now that I'm experiencing in this moment, is what I know means nothing. Unless it's unless it's in alignment with what I feel. And what I feel when when head and heart Come in alignment. Then I operate in a flow, I don't operate in an opposition. Part of the reason the the mosaic is so valuable to me. It's the book that I wrote that that speaks to a different story. It says it's a simple, beautiful story in the words that it tells. But the story is told also in the spaces between the words. And in the spaces between the words, the story is that everything is connected, nothing is as it seems. And so if nothing is as it seems, it doesn't matter what I think it is. It doesn't matter. All the stories that I've told myself over hundreds and hundreds of times that I now believe are facts, when they're just simple stories. They're not facts, they're stories. But I've told him to myself so many times that I believe they're real, but they're just stories. And it's in the dismantling of those stories. That worlds crumble from I mean, for me, at least I'm talking about my world. Because on those stories on those facts, stories that I believe were facts, I built houses and communities and villages and towns and cities and states and countries. And when I unraveled those big I realize any truth. And it's just a story that I've told myself over and over and over again. Everything crumbled, the village, just towns, the cities, this countries. And it's a scary place to be. But it's also an incredibly exciting place to be, because all of a sudden, everything is seen differently.

Ari Gronich 35:23  

So I'm going to,

I'm going to use a saying that I use a lot on here. It's one of my favorite quotes that I created. Because it's so simple, but the quote is, we made this shit up, we can do better. So here's an, you know, then the tagline for that is, so let's create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world. Right? So because we want to walk,

Unknown Speaker 35:57  

I couldn't have led you in that path any better. But, exactly.

Ari Gronich 36:01  

So here's the question. We made this shit up, we can do better. However, people become married to their construct, so much so that the even concept or idea that it's a construct that we made up, falls short on the perception of the person who constructed it. And so we're married to this thing that we've created that we can all see is, at best sub optimal, not performance based. But the attachment to that construct is so great. That having people realize that, like, you can create a totally different form of government and not have it be socialist democratic, or Republican, Republican communists or it could be like, the the, the the leaven society, you know, like, I mean, it could be any possibility of thing that we can create next, right? Yeah. But people are so married to the, to the idea that this label means this because we created it that way. Yeah. And so it can't ever mean anything else. False fall short. So anyway, that's, that's, that's my, my question to you is, how do we get the construct to have less value than the end result? And the journey be such a great experience in the journey of creating new constructs, that people won't be so uncomfortable with the d raveling? of the old one?

Daniel Bruce Levin 37:53  

It's a great question. And it really is your it's, it's at a further question on logic and emotion, right? Because we understand something in one way we feel something another way. What we feel prevents us from seeing what we're able to see, when when one of the underlying currents of the mosaic is that nothing is it seems. A very, very simple concept, but a scary as hell concept. When you sit with the idea, or the possibility, let's give it a possibility, let's not make it a fact. Sit with the possibility of nothingness as it seems. The way it happened for me in the book, and this is through the words of the story is that mo is a is a young boy who loses his parents two years apart on the same day. It's a fable is version of my life. And when he asked the adults where his parents are, they tell him they're in a place called heaven. So he sets out that day on search in a place called heaven. But the people he meets along the way are not the rabbis and the priests and the Swamis and the gurus. And the shamans and the aborigines elders and the medicine women. They're common ordinary people. They're the trash man and the road worker, the homeless guy in the blind woman, this juice man in the street artist, the gardener and the waitress. And he wonders why in the hell am I meeting these people? They don't seem like the people that would be able to show me. But he hears a voice inside of himself that says you're here with them, have the decency to just sit with them and let them tell you their story? And are you in 100% of the cases, when he takes the time to just sit with them and listen to their story? When he realizes that the person that he had originally saw isn't at all the person that they are now. There's so much deeper, so much more, so much for so much greater than then who he thought they were and Even the things that they do are examples of if we would use what the just use the things that they do as as parables to help us live a better life. For instance, can I tell you one story that's in there?

Ari Gronich 40:14  

Absolutely. Yeah, please do.

Daniel Bruce Levin 40:18  

So along his journey, he's walking down a city street. And the street is absolutely pristine clean. He has nothing in his pockets, no backpack on his back. He's just walking empty with nothing, nothing to encumber him. And to his amazement, a truck pulls up beside and stops. It's a trash truck. And the trash man looks and says, Don't you have any garbage that you want me to take from you? And Moe looks down around them. He looks on the streets, he looks on himself. And he says, he's about to say to the man, what are you crazy? I mean, the street is clean. I have nothing on me. Like, why would you be first of all? When did the trash structure stop and ask a person if they have any trash that they want someone to take? And don't you see there's nothing here? And he's just about the land of the guy and say, What are you crazy when he catches the glimmer in the trash man's eyes. And he realizes the trash man isn't asking them about physical trash. He's asking him if he has anything emotional, or spiritual, or mental or thought processes that are keeping him from having what he needs. And he starts to break down and cry. And he said, Oh my god, I was about to yell at you and tell you, you're crazy. But I have so much trash. I don't think I can get it out on my own. And the trash man looks at him and says, that's why I stopped the truck. I'll help you. Let me come down and bring my cat. And he brings his trash can down. And he puts it by the side of the road. And he says mo but everything that her pains you everything that ails you everything that's keeping you isolated, everything that's keeping you from having what you want, just put it into this trashcan. And the more that you put in, what I want you to just realize is I want you to be free of it for just one minute. I'm not going to put it in the truck and take it away until you tell me to. And if you don't want me to take it away, we can keep it in the can. But I want to, I want you to experience One moment, what it feels like to be rid of all that stuff. To just not have that blocking you anymore. You can put it just all of it right here in the trash can is when you think you're done. Go back in and get find more. I have tons of trash cans that we can fill up. You won't he won't overfill my cans, don't worry. But everything there and I'll help you with anything that you don't need help with. I'll help you to get it out. Because I want you to know that one moment where you see yourself the unlimited power of yourself when you actually see who you're all my life. I wanted to be a trash man, I would sit out when I was four years old and watch the trash man come and collect the garbage. And one day after about watching them for six months, the trash man looked at me and said you want to come for a ride with us around the block. And I was like ecstatic. It was like I you know, a God himself had come to me. And I started to get on the truck and my mom was watching through the kitchen window. She said, Daddy, where you're going? What are you doing? Where are you taking my son? And they said, Ma'am, I'm sorry, we're not going to do anything to him. We've just watched him. He's been here every Friday, for the last six months. We just asked him if we just want to take them around the block and let him have the thrill of pushing the button that grinds the trash up. Because kids like to do that. And she said if he's not back in 10 minutes, I'm going to call the police. They said met them Don't worry, we have we mean no harm. We want to give him a present. And I came back and I said Mom, I want to be a trash man. I love that. And she said to me, Danny, you have a genius IQ. You can't be a trash man. 60 years later, my mom's probably turning over in her grave. Because what I realized is I'm a trash man. That's what I do for people. And if my son wanted to become a trash man, and wanted to become that trash man, I would spend every dollar I had helping them to do that. Because that's what this world needs. It needs people that will help us to see ourselves as we really are. Now that's a trash man. Most people walk by the trash man and don't think he has any value at all. That those aren't even the stories that he tells that's just in the work that he does. But when we're able to see the beauty of everybody's station in this world, not as a below or above, not as higher or less, not by them The money they make or the or the house that they live in, or the religion they practice. But when we see them for who they actually are and what they actually do.

We have there, the world is showing us so much. And we have so much opportunity to learn from them, and be with them and understand them and practice the practices. They practice. And they weren't great religious leaders, they're not spiritual giants. They're common ordinary people. Nothing is as it seems.

Ari Gronich 45:36  

It's a It's a beautiful story. Yeah, it's a beautiful story. I'm gonna ask you in a little bit more of what mosaic means and, and what the book really details. But before then I want to get to some of your personal Mosaic, which is your life. So you went to seminary for five years. You left one day before becoming a rabbi. So you didn't actually complete this five year process. And then you went and lived as a monk for 10 years. somewhere else? So tell me the transition that happened that like, what, what were the mechanisms of thinking that that occurred? You know, and and I'm gonna say this, it's about pivot. Because any business has to pivot, we've had this whole Corona thing we've had to pivot we had, you know, pivoting is in transitioning from one thing to another. It's kind of a theme I think, I've gotten started with you today is this whole idea of transitioning and transmutation? But, you know, tell me, how did you go from Rabbi to monk?

Unknown Speaker 46:58  

So,

Daniel Bruce Levin 47:00  

again, the the moment that changed my life was the death of my mom and my dad, my dad and my mom. I was so close to my dad. He was my hero. My mom, I love my mom was like an Ozzie and Harriet mom. Most people won't know what that is. But she was the wolf. She was the mom that came home and had milk and cookies on the table for us when we came home from school, and sat and made sure we did our homework and where we grew up in a lower middle class family, what we lacked in money we wish we had abundantly in love for each other. And so that was the environment that I grew up in. I lost your question. Tell me what your question is again.

Ari Gronich 47:43  

transmutation. transmutation. Okay. So

Daniel Bruce Levin 47:45  

pivots. So again, what what I was looking for in every situation was that having that place where I could feel that unconditional love again. And so I went, I went in search for that it wasn't in my uncle's business. It wasn't in school selling, learning psychology. It wasn't hitchhiking around the world. It wasn't in the seminary, when I realized that I would, if I were to go through the process of being ordained, I would never represent the rebby in the way that he wanted to be represented, because I came there and route to India. And what he said to me was, Why were you born Jewish? Were you born Jewish to become a Hindu? And I said, I can't answer that question. He said, so then sit with me and have the courage to be here with me until you come up with an answer to that question. I said, I think that's a beautiful challenge. I would love to do that. And what he said was really a beautiful thing, because I was having all sorts of problems with Judaism. This was Orthodox Judaism. Right? Right ultra Orthodox Judaism. And, and I said, I just can't relate to a lot of these things. And he said, Danny, problems exist on the same level. They're always at the same level. What happens is we we grow and shrink in our own life. When we shrink, the problems look insurmountable. When we're not strong in ourselves, when we can see where we are, when we don't know what's going on. The problems seem like they're, they're mountains that we can never get over. But when we grow in ourselves, those same things that appeared like mountains moments ago now it seemed like molehills, and we walk over them with one simple step. Just put things on the shelf, Danny, anything you're having problems with. Now, it's because you're weak in what we're doing. You don't understand it. As you stay here and understand it more. Just keep looking at your shelf. Because you right now you're looking up at this mountain. Soon you'll be looking at it as a as a molehill. The day before I was to be ordained how Went to the rugby and I said rugby, my shelf just gave them everything that was on it is all over the floor, it's a mess in that in my room. I can't do this anymore. And I can't in good faith, be ordained in your name and not follow the integrity of the teaching that you've given me. Because I wouldn't do I wouldn't use it the way you would use it, I would use it as a title to get me further along in my way. But I would use it to embrace all religions, not just Judaism, and out of honor and dignity to you and love for you. I can't do that in your name. So I think the only place for me to go is to walk away.

Ari Gronich 50:40  

So okay, so so I'm just going to repeat 16 year old billionaire asks you to run a billion dollar company? No. Because I would be going against me.

Daniel Bruce Levin 50:55  

I be out of integrity with myself

Ari Gronich 50:57  

right out of integrity with myself. Next rabbi. I mean, out of

Daniel Bruce Levin 51:02  

the box. Next was my psychology professor in school. Right? Okay. He wanted me to be his mentor in organizational psychology. And he, he wanted me to be his mentee, I'm sorry, not as mentor. He wanted to mentor me. And he wanted to be able to, for us to develop organizational psychology together. And I looked at him and I said, What are you crazy, that is huge. That just isn't me. Third step was Rabbi saying, I want you I want you to create schools that I've created and change the way people think about Judaism. But it wasn't me. Okay, and so, so many people,

Ari Gronich 51:42  

I just want to get get to this, you're a very contrary person. So what where I, where I'm going with this is people are so afraid to let somebody else down, that they will absolutely 100% let their entire life down. Personally, in order to please, other people.

Daniel Bruce Levin 52:14  

Yeah. And I was, I was scared to let people down to though, I just didn't want to let my uncle down by not being able to do what he wanted me to do. I was scared to let my professor down by not being able to do what he wanted me to do. I was scared to let the rabbi down by not letting him do what, but without letting me do what he wanted me to do. So I had the same neuroses of everybody else. I just had the integrity of my own belief system to say that, who being true to myself was as important as being true to somebody else. Because I realized somewhere early on,

that life was short, because my parents were taken from me. And if I didn't have the guts to practice and try and learn

who I was, and what I was doing here on this planet, that I would never live a life of fulfillment. I might be rich, but I wouldn't be fulfilled. I might be, I might have fame, but I wouldn't be fulfilled. I wanted fulfillment. Because right now, I can honestly say to you, I could live under a bridge or I can live in imagine it wouldn't matter to me, because I know who I am. And I feel content to be who I am in the space that I'm at. Because my teacher was an Indian was an Indian girl by the name of paramahansa Yogananda and Parma Honza Yogananda used to say, people think that hell in heaven are these places above and below us. The truth of the matter is portable paradise with Wherever we go, or our portable hell with us wherever we go

Ari Gronich 53:50  

there within us, not without us.

Daniel Bruce Levin 53:52  

Yeah. And so what I somehow had the had the blessing to to feel without even knowing that I was feeling it was there was a portable paradise in me that couldn't be couldn't be altered by how much money I had or what religion I practice or who was proud of me for doing what they wanted me to do. That it was more important for me to stay true to that portable paradise. And even if I made mistakes, which I've made tons of that I was trying to stay true to the integrity of valve holding that portable paradise as mine and sharing that paradise with as many people as I could.

Ari Gronich 54:29  

Alright, so I'm going to go to the side that looks at it from a little bit of a different angle.

So

the world is a little crazy,

Daniel Bruce Levin 54:43  

right? Yep. And maybe a whole lot crazy, by the way,

Ari Gronich 54:50  

just a little. You know, the thing is, I was watching an interview with Jordan Peterson and, and he's an interesting you know, Canadian cat. very controversial in many ways, but he was talking about this a little bit as well. And the he's a psychologist, right. He's a clinical psychologist, not organizational, but clinical. And he's talking about motivations. And he's talking about about all these things. But now I've lost my thought a little bit. Where was I?

Daniel Bruce Levin 55:30  

You were saying he was controversial? And he was.

Ari Gronich 55:35  

Okay, so so the construct, I go back to the construct, and the idea that, that we are designed. So what he was saying is that human beings that it's, he says, it's a bloody miracle, that we're all in this room together. And nobody is killing anybody. And we're peaceful, and we're able to be human and peaceful. At the same time. He said, that's a bloody miracle. That that is not how we're designed, right? We're designed as humans to be controversial and self serving and so on, in many ways. And, you know, some of that I agree with some of it, I don't. But the point is, is that within the constructs, right, we have people who work for companies, for instance, for 40 years, and are miserable, the entirety of the time that they're doing it make their families miserable, make their lives and their kids miserable. But they do it because they have a sense of responsibility. So that the question becomes the pivot, versus the responsibility. My parents used to say, I want you to be a happy, healthy, productive member of society. And if you can't be happy, and you can't be healthy, at least be productive. Right? So I was raised to always be doing less being, even though I would study ways of being. So it's kind of interesting. That's kind of how I got my I'm a Gemini too. So I have multiple personality disorder. And I'm a Jewish Gemini, which means that if you have, you know, 10 Jews in a room, you have 100 opinions. So yeah, that to a Gemini, you got 1000 opinions in one head, and a committee for the committee for the committee. So I am no

Unknown Speaker 57:33  

joke, because you feel one of the things or the other. Right,

Ari Gronich 57:35  

exactly. And it goes both ways. It's like, okay, but I want this, but I want this, but I want this, but I want this, I want, I want the world a better place. And I want it to be a certain way that I want it to be right. So you are here. And you're you're going through all of these experiences monk training for 10 years living as a monk, five years for rabbi, organizational psychology, that's another at least six years in school, right? You're going through all these trainings, and you're going and you're going in them long enough to have invested a massive amount of life in them. Yeah. And then saying, yeah, that didn't work for me. I, you know, I could see, I don't

Daniel Bruce Levin 58:20  

think I ever said it didn't work for me. Well, I

Ari Gronich 58:22  

mean, it doesn't leave. It worked for me, as a lifelong profession.

Unknown Speaker 58:27  

Yeah, but I never

Daniel Bruce Levin 58:28  

I don't think I ever looked at things as a lifelong profession. Because, again, the beauty of losing my mom and dad if there was a beauty to it, because I didn't have anyone that I had to please. I didn't have my parents saying, Our getting this, you know, that I could, I was free. My aunt and uncle tried to be my parent parents, but I would I was arrogant kid. And I said, You're not my parents. I don't have to do what you say. You know, because I just thought I knew better. And, and that that was my shortcoming. But I didn't have to live up to anybody else's standard of who I had to be. I will end and I was forced to be independent. I wasn't my choice. But in my independence, I realized hold it. There's freedom here. Like I don't have to decide at 15 what my life's occupation is going to be I just have to decide what makes me feel good and happy and fulfilled right in this moment. And so when I went to school and studied psychology, I, I was in college and 16 years old, when I went to college at 16 years old, and I took two years to study psychology, and I sat with my my professor, I loved the the practice of that. But when he said organizational psychology, I looked at him and I said, What are you crazy and and what I realized is psychology didn't answer my questions of why my parents were taken from. And so I left my uncles and aunts. To the questions of why my parents were taken from me put it put a whole nother world over that. But I could have lived in that other world without answering the primary question that I had to ask myself, of Why does a kid 15 years old lose the people love sincerely, and that love him dearly? And why does he lose unconditional love in a moment not know why. And so, when I, when I went into The Revenant, I had the same quote, I had the same thing that happened. You know, what? At a certain point, it didn't, it wasn't the life that wasn't going to answer my questions. When I went into the monastery, it didn't change. It didn't answer my questions, and everything, put a nice new facade over the life that I was going to live. That would have made me very, very happy. Because there were beautiful facades, but they didn't answer the question. It wasn't until five years ago, when I finished writing the mosaic. Or I started writing Mosaic, that what I realized was that might happen was that perceptual shift. And had I been able to see what I was looking at differently. You know, there's that picture of the old hag and the young socialite, you know what I'm talking about that, that black and white. And when you look at it, you see one or the other, you can't see both of them at the same time. And I remember seeing the old hag when someone showed it to me first. And my friend said to me, what do you see the beautiful young socialite I said, Come on. I don't I don't mean to be politically. But this is an old woman here. She is not a beautiful socialite. And they said, No, you're not seeing it. Clearly. If you see it differently, you'll see it. I said, You're crazy. There's, this picture is an old tag. And they said, just look at it and look at it. And what I realized is, suddenly, I saw the young socialite, a beautiful young socialite. And as soon as I saw the socialite, I could no longer see the old tag. So what I realized is what we see in the world that we live in, literally blocks us from seeing everything else that's in that same frame. We can't see what's there. And so we have to slide ourselves out of the way to see what's there, when we're not when, when when we are not there. The world that I see is not the world that is it's the world that I see. And so in all these places, these are, the reason why people think I'm crazy, is because every one of those situations for them would have been their Heaven, who would want to walk away from a billion dollar business, that's Heaven, for a kid 15 years old, to be handed the opportunity to have a billion dollar company, and the run that we have the lifestyle that goes with it. That's what most people dream of, and feel like, they'll be happy in that life. It wasn't my heaven. And so what I grew through learning in that, is that what seems like heaven to one person is not having to another, and to really be able to listen to other people and hear what is your having? What is that place that makes everything in you completely aligned?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:12  

Where you feel you

Unknown Speaker 1:03:14  

where you are you

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:03:15  

where you're not somebody else's dream of what you should be your your own dream of what you think you could have been, if someone else would have done something for you.

Unknown Speaker 1:03:24  

Who are you?

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:03:27  

And what I found, can I tell you another little story, I'm a storyteller, but I don't want to talk my way through it.

Ari Gronich 1:03:33  

Absolutely. The only The only caveat to to this particular story is we're going next to a Hay House. And and so I just wanted to give you that heads up that we were going to the next transition or one of the next transitions thereafter. So

Unknown Speaker 1:03:49  

okay, let

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:03:51  

me just tell you a short story. Because when I left my aunt and uncle's place, the two years that I was there with them, I became really close, my best friend was, was the son of another billionaire. And we had talked about what we would be able to do together in the world together through our friendship, and through the way we saw the world because we thought we saw the world in similar eyes. And when I left, he got so upset with me. And he said, You are just in absolute idiot. How can you do this to me? We had this we had planned out what we were going to do with our life with you being you being where you were and me being where I was and coming together to do these things together. And now all of that is from is gone. said none of it's gone. We can still do all of it. I just won't be in that same position. He said not you're making a stupid decision. I don't want anything to do with you. And he just defended me at this at that same moment.

Ari Gronich 1:04:48  

Did he hit a button?

Unknown Speaker 1:04:50  

Even while most almost it's like, you know, canceled culture, right? It's like It's like if it was Facebook, it would have been a lot easier

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:04:59  

and it hurt me You've heard me to know and but I said, you have to do what you have to do. About 30 years later, I was staying in New York at the Mandarin Oriental, and I was friends with the people that that are in charge of the Mandarin Oriental around the spa. And they would give me a friends and family rate there. And the friends and family rate was cheaper than some of the dive hotels in New York. And so I was I had the I had the opportunity every time I was in New York to stay at this beautiful luxury hotel, at a frat, you know, a fraction of a fraction of its costs. And the Mandarin Oriental is unique in that the lobby is on the 34th floor. And the lobby overlooks Central Park. So you have to take an elevator up from the ground level to the 34th floor, to then get on another elevator to go to your room. Well, one night, I was coming home at about 1030 at night. I took the elevator from the lobby from the ground floor to the lobby. And as I was coming out of the elevator, I saw my best friend from from, from when I was 15. walking in with three girls around him into the elevator. And I looked at him I said, Neil, and he turned in so fuku said my name. I said I did. He said How the hell do you know my name? And I said, Really? You don't even remember me? He said, I have no idea who you are. Who are you? I said I'm Danny, I was your best friend when you were 15 years old. He said, Oh my god, Danny, I didn't even recognize you. I said obviously. He said come to the club with us. Where are you going to come we're going out to the club, we're going to have a great time we're going to drink and we're going to smoke dope, and we're going to dance and we're going to do stuff and I have these three girls with me. You know, and we'll get more and we'll just have fun together. I said, Not me, but it's okay. How about if we have breakfast together tomorrow? He said, No, no, I'm not going to pass up on this opportunity. So gross. If you want to go to the club, go to the club, you have my card, you can you can use all my you can use my money to buy yourself whatever you need. I'm going to spend time with I'm going to spend time with my friend here. He said, Do you drink scotch and smoke cigars? I said I normally don't. But I will with you tonight. He said I've got a great bottle of scotch up in my room, I'm going to bring it down. I've got two great cigars that sit in the lobby and just spent time together, catching up on 30 years. We sat from 1030 at night to 430 in the morning. And as we were getting ready to go call the night, so to speak. He looked at me and he said you know I hated you. I've been so mad at you for all these years. I didn't understand why you would do something so stupid as to go find yourself like what the hell is go finding yourself. We had a chance to change the world together. And when you didn't take that with me, I lost all my hope and being able to do it because I needed you to do it with me. But I look at you now. And as stupid as you were. I see you have the one thing that I want that I can't have. I have more money than God. I have. But my I have no I've been divorced three times. I'm cheating on my wife now with the three girls you saw me in the elevator with. And that's only in New York, I have three more and every other city like my kids, don't talk to me. I'm an alcoholic. I'm addicted to drugs. And I look at you and I see you have this peace and this contentment that I would give anything for this moment in my life. And I said Neil, that's easy. Like, let's just say you're my Premier, my friend, no matter what you did to me, you still I remember you as my best friend when I was 15 years old. It's not gonna cost you anything we'll just as friends are, let's just hang out together and do stuff together. And, and I'll help you to find that because it's not so hard to find. It's much harder to do what you've done and to find Europeans and to find yourself yourself. You are yourself. You can't not you can't not know yourself.

He said as soon as I get home, I'm going to call you. That was 15 years ago, I never heard from him or heard from him since he I

Ari Gronich 1:09:25  

knew that was coming.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:09:28  

Yeah. And so I believe that people inside themselves really want to know themselves. But I believe they're scared to death to leave all the things that they think they have, because they don't think they can have. But knowing yourself doesn't mean you have to lose anything. Now what I say is it's just a change of perspective. You know,

Ari Gronich 1:09:52  

I'm a I'm a big fan of mirror work. I talk about it a lot on on the show. I'm just in, in my life in general, you know, I tell people I wouldn't recommend or wish my life on anyone, not that my life was so bad for for others, because I believe that we all are given what we can handle, and we're not given what other people can handle. So I may not have been able to handle having a silver spoon in my, you know, hand as much as I would have loved in theory to be born with that silver spoon. So, or, you know, in Trump's case, a gold, you know, gold plated spoon. But the thing is that, for me, mirror work is all about unraveling the mask. unraveling the things that we put on top of ourselves, I get to look in the mirror and uncover that. Right. So I find myself not by creating some new version of me or, or, or shifting or changing or, you know those things, and this is my philosophy. But by uncovering the real me and taking away the mask of trauma, the mask of experience the masks that I put on, right.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:11:36  

So your man or the first person? Go ahead, I'm sorry,

Ari Gronich 1:11:39  

I'll let you complete I was just gonna ask you what masks Have you taken off and put on. I have masks all

Unknown Speaker 1:11:51  

male.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:11:56  

It's almost easier to ask what masks have remained. And what masks have I take don't take an odd foot. But in my if I can, in the Mosaic, one of the characters is a mirror maker. And if I can tell you a story of how Moe meets the mirror maker, I would love that.

Ari Gronich 1:12:15  

Absolutely.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:12:16  

So as you know Moe's on this journey to find heaven. And sometimes it takes him into the midst of the cities and beam interacts with the people that are there. And other times he just wants to be in the quiet. And he goes into the farmlands and he goes into the into the countryside. And he had been in the countryside now for weeks or months and hadn't seen another human being because he just was in isolation and by himself walking through these places where nobody walked. And suddenly, one one day his day was becoming evening, he saw the lights of a village on the top of the hill close by him. And he realized if I run quickly, I can make it to that village before they shut the doors. And I'm really lonely. And I really would like to see somebody. And so he runs to the village. But by the time he gets there, most of the village is shut down. There's only one store that remains open. And the door is wide open as if it was expecting him. But he doesn't know that it's expected him. And so he stands by the door because nobody's there. And he wonders if he can go in or not without being invited in any things to call out to the to the shop owner and say Is anybody here but he thinks I don't want to disturb anybody. Because I'm not going to buy one of these big mirrors. I'm walking on one hour journey walking, I have nothing on me very little on me. So he just decides well the door was open, I can walk in and walk in. And he walks in and he sees it's a mirror store. He sees these beautiful mirrors in these beautiful frames, big mirrors, flirt floor, almost floor to ceiling mirrors, not quite but you know, big mirrors. And he looks around and he doesn't know if what he's seen is what he's seen or if it's a reflection of a reflection of a reflection. And so in order to get more of a vision, he walks in, he walks close up to the mirrors and he and he thinks he's the most beautiful mirrors I've ever seen. But there's one mirror that completely captures him. The mirror is not made of glass, it's made of bronze. And the bronze is polished so so well that he sees his reflection in the mirror maker must have known that this was a special mirror because there was a light shining right on it that made him see himself even more clearly in the mirror. And he stops and he's transfixed by this mirror. And suddenly you here's the voice of the mirror maker behind them. And she says, what does the mirror see in you? And what most says to her is what he sees in the mirror he says, I see a man that's older now I started out as employed. I've been on this journey for a long time. I see how it's how it what it's given me and I see what it's doing. come from me. And I see all the pains that I've gone through. And I see all the all the all the wrinkles in my face now that I didn't have as a boy. And she said, that's beautiful Mo, but I didn't ask you that question. I didn't ask you what did you see in the mirror? I asked you what is the mirror see in you? The mirror doesn't know any of your stories, it doesn't know any of your hesitations. It doesn't know any of your doubts when the Miran looks at you, free of your stories. What does it say? He says, gosh, I

Unknown Speaker 1:15:30  

don't know.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:15:32  

I don't think I know who I am without my stories. And she said stick with it now. And just be with it for a little while and see if we can find out.

Well, I'm not sure to this day, I know who I am without my stories. Because the more stories I unravel, the more mess I take cloth, the more seemed to be there because it's mask upon mask upon bats upon mass, because I've been so scared of actually being seen and seeing myself that I've just taken off a mask and how how great I am to take that mask, only to reveal another mess than sitting there on my face. And so when I say to you, it's almost easier just to say to you what mess still remain, it's because I have no idea if the mask I've taken off is really unveiled myself or not. Or if it's just a reflection of a reflection of a reflection of a reflection. But still the process goes on of just asking myself, what would the mirror see and me. And so the stories that I'm telling you on this on this conversation with you are not just random stories. They're stories that I want your listeners to know. Because now these these characters have become archetypes in my life. The trash man is someone that can call in any moment when I feel like I need to let record some things. The mirror maker is someone that's right there for me that when instead of me looking into the mirror, like the way you do your mirror, work is so beautiful. Most people look in the mirror and just say I love you to basis and then that they don't love. But with the way you do the Mirror Mirror work is like the mirror maker would do it. And I would like to invite them people that are listening to do the mirror work that you do. And the mirror work of the mirror maker that's that would ask yourself, what does the mirror see when it looks at you? It doesn't know your stories. It doesn't know your rationalizations. It doesn't know your excuses. It doesn't know all the money you made or all the power that you have, or all the prestige that you think you've got. It just sees you. Who are you.

Ari Gronich 1:17:37  

And there's no judgment in a mirror. A mirror is a reflect it's just the reflection. It's not a judge. It's there's no judgment. And that's one of the things that I've found interesting is working around the judgments in the eyeballs that are in the mirror. Versus, versus the mirror is showing me. Yeah, you know, so it's, it's odd, it's an odd thing to take away. yourself out of the situation. It's like being a fly on the wall in your own head. Yeah, right, because you got to take yourself out of the situation, just like in any science, they say that the scientists are part of the experiment, no matter how much or how little they're involved. Yeah, the fact that they're involved means that they are influencing that experiment. And the same thing. For me, I try to influence as little as possible, the reflection, and then just allow myself to feel whatever, you know, that reflection is showing

Unknown Speaker 1:18:52  

me. I love that.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:18:54  

When I finished the Mosaic, one of the things that told me is I had to get out on the road and do what Moe did. I had to go to every city, every town, every country, and I had to sit with the people that nobody sits with and talk to the people that nobody listens to. And just listen to them. And I could do that on street corners or in cafes, or in boardrooms or angels, or in hospitals or in prisons. And I had set up a trip. And 14 days before I came and said not on my watch, buddy, you're going to stay home for a little while. But the idea was to go around the world and be that near for people that says to them, what would you see if you could see yourself and really see yourself? What would you like to say what is the things you haven't been able to say? If you were just loved and accepted and listened to and heard and acknowledged and validated for being yourself? And you felt free? And you didn't have to defend yourself and you didn't have to have any of your stories? What is it you would like the world to know I have story a funny story, but I'm just gonna shut up and hold the next story till next time.

Ari Gronich 1:20:08  

Yeah, no. Let's go to Hay House.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:20:12  

Okay, you got to turn right on the freeway and comes out.

Ari Gronich 1:20:17  

Yes. Well as north towards Malibu and West.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:20:22  

Now it's in San Diego. County of San Diego. Yeah.

Ari Gronich 1:20:26  

When she passed away, I used to love hanging out with her and her at her house in Malibu, Louise Hay, by the way for the audience. And Hay House is the probably the most I think, successful self publishing company in history. They'll help

Unknown Speaker 1:20:44  

there they're probably the premier self help publishing company in the world.

Ari Gronich 1:20:48  

Right. And, and part of that is due to some, some guy I've met recently, he's got a big beard. And he, he he looks like a rabbi, but he never got again.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:21:02  

Santa Claus is that you're talking about? Santa Claus? Yes. So when I came to Hay House, they were doing they were basically publishing the ways. It was, it was a boutique publishing house, Louise had written a book called you can heal your life. An amazing book for anybody who hasn't read, get that book. And it talks about the fact that she was diagnosed with cancer, late stage cancer. And she was told she had a few months left to live maybe a couple months, I can't remember exactly how long. And the doctor has said, there's nothing we can do for you. So just go home and live, live a good life, live a happy life, do things that make you happy. And come back, if you're still around, come back in six weeks, I want to see you again, had given her a two month diagnosis, knowing that she would be gone before that. So when she showed back up six weeks later, he was shocked. And what he was even more shocked countenance and what and the happiness center step in the end the freedom that she moved, because he expected her to stop and dine. He said, let's do an MRI, he put her on, he did a CAT scan and did a CAT scan. And he said there must be something wrong. And we've got to do another cat scan. And when she came out of the CAT scan, he said, I don't know how to tell you this, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you don't have cancer. And she and her, you know, sort of confrontational, beautiful manner, would say why in the hell would you be sorry to tell me I don't have cancer. That's the best news you could ever tell me. He said what I must have made your life terrible for the last six weeks. Because I told you, you were going to die within two months a year. When I look at these CAT scans. There's not a there's not a cell of cancer in your body. And she said, Does it look like you put me through hell for the last six weeks. I'm the happiest I've ever been. And he said, I don't know what you're doing. But just keep doing it. And she said, Well, I want you now to get the CAT scan from six weeks ago where you diagnose me to live only two months. And I want you to put it up against the CAT scan of what you see today. And I want you to tell me now what did I have? And he said, I'm going to humor you by doing it for you. But I'll tell you what I saw you had you you weren't going to you were not going to make I gave you two months out of kindness to you because I didn't want to tell you that you had days left and live your cancer was so extended all throughout your body. What did you do? And the story of what she did was written in a book called you can heal your life. That book sold millions and millions of copies. They put her on the New York Times list and that was a

Ari Gronich 1:23:53  

real life and and just as a as a thing. This is you know, there's a small version of this book that anybody can get. But practitioners like like me, we've been using this with our clients and patients. I have been for 20 years 20 plus years. Because it's so basically easy and effective. that anybody can do it at anytime and it's really cool. Because nowadays you could just look up Louise Hay on on that Dr. Google thing. You can look up Louise Hay affirmations or or a symptom or a thing and it'll come up with with all of what she came up with in that book. It's pretty awesome. But that is Hay House. Yeah, so

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:24:45  

that was the Hay House that I walked into. And I walked into it with the thought of i saw i i was friends with the man who ran it. I saw that they were doing conferences with what they were doing. Louise was Speaking and she was drawn in about 1000 people. I was part of a spiritual community up in Northern California.

Unknown Speaker 1:25:07  

And in any man,

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:25:09  

it was called the Nanda Ananda. He was a disciple. It was a direct disciple of Yogananda, but he was thrown out of SRF. And he would speak and he would have 250 or 300 people would come there. So I went down there, and I said, How do we get from 250 to 1000? Because you guys have done it. And so I'd like to learn from you. And even more, what I'd really like to do is I'd like to join forces together. And why don't we create conferences, where we will bring together four or five or six people, and Korean on the wall, bring his 250, Louise will bring her 1000 somebody else will bring their 500 someone else bring the 1000. And we'll and we'll have workshops that will take around the country. And they said, Well, we don't have time to do that. I said, I'm not asking you, if you have the time to do it. I'll do it all for you. And we'll share the profits. And so they said, Okay, well, that seems senseless for you to do that. But if you want to do it, we're more than happy to do that with you. And so I thought, Okay, I need to find people that will that will be good people for that. So we had Louise and we had Grenada. So I said, I want a few more people. So I, I approached to a guy by the name of a guy that their publishing house couldn't even pronounce his name. They call them orange wire. But it was Wayne Dyer. And I said, we're doing this thing and I know you love to speak, why don't you send this in the five of them, and we'll pay you good money to do. And I approached a woman who was at the top of her game, but was coming down and was on the decline. Her name was Shakti gwaine. She had done creative visualizations. And I was looking for one guy, that to be a part of it. And I went to Bantam Books, and I said, Who Can you recommend them? And they said, you, you will not have heard of them, but I promise you, you will not be upset. He's up and coming, and he will be a big star. And I said, Okay, who is it? They said, his name is Deepak Chopra. And I said, Okay, let's do it. I'll trust you. So we had the five of them doing a workshop for one day. And people would pay people paid $35. To come in here, all five of them speak for the whole day. The room that the auditorium hold, held, I think it holds first one we did, it was in San Francisco at the circle, full circle theatre, and the stage turn so that people could be integrated and close. And we sold out of that in about 20 minutes. And so when we got there to set up, we had seen people were sleeping around the building, because it was first come first serve. So I said this is ridiculous. And it's also hazard we're going to get we won't be able to do it like this, why don't we put up premier seating, where we save seats, and we'll get four or 500 seats next time in premier seating? Why don't we charge $150 for those and see if anybody takes them? We can always open them up if nobody does. Those sold out in eight minutes. And so we started to go around the country taking these five people. And people were just amazed. You know, the I emceed it, you know, and I was the one that would introduce them and bring them together. And so we did that for a little while, and I and finally read and I sat together and said, what you've done, it's been so successful. Will you ever think about coming here and working for us? And I said, I can't come to you. But I can work with you. I said, my wife right now is dying of cancer, so I can't leave her I have to take care of. But I can work from home and do everything that I can do from your office, I don't need to be in your office. And he said deal. And I said what do you want me to do? He said, I've watched you over the course of the years you've had, you've had at least eight ideas. And I know there could have been multimillion dollar ideas. But you were never allowed to do them in the organizations you were with. I'm giving you free rein to whatever you want to do. And we'll support you. Because we know that they'll pop and they'll be good ideas. And so one of the big ideas that I had was to if we were a self help publishing company, what I thought is we needed to have all the self help publish all self help authors published with us. And so I said to read, I'm going to go after all the self help publishers. I mean, I'm not all the all the self help authors. And I'm going to try and get them to publish something with us. He said, Danny, it will never happen. You're I know you're you're wide eyed and bushy tailed, but it'll never happen. We're a small publishing house. And they're getting million dollar advances and we'll never give that up for And I said Nevers a long time, we don't know that it'll never happen.

Never is a long time what you said, you'll give me free rein. Let me just run trains with us. And he said, I think you're setting yourself for a big failure. I said, I love that challenge. And so I realized that publishing deals with the publishing houses they were with, and they couldn't get away from those publishing deals. So I decided I was going to before I, I created something in the, in the, at a Nanda, when I was running the publishing house there with my, with one of my friends, and we call them de cards. And we took just these, we created 50 cards and put them in a in a package. That was that was a stand that would stand up on its own, and you can close them and, and we call them Day cards, and the and it was distributed. Wonder books came and saw stuff that we were doing and said we wanted to, we want to buy you but we couldn't they couldn't buy us because we were religious community. So they said well distributed you and they help to distribute it, but it never really took off. So I said to read one of the things that I think could really take off if they didn't, we didn't do them the way I wanted to do them, I would like to do them better. And so they were called debit cards, but we don't have to call them their cards, we call them card decks. And what to do is I remember when people used to want to read a book, but didn't have time to read it. They bought the Cliff's notes version of that book, they bought the best thoughts in a condensed version. And they can they can say they read the book, because everything that was important in the book was in those short pages, and said, I want to make a new Cliff Notes that's called that's called a card deck. So I want to take top 50 thoughts of people that are that are world renowned, that have New York Times bestselling books, I want to create a package that is that is beautiful. I want to have tremendous artwork on and I want to put them in a box that will become a giftable. And let's make them he said I don't know what you're really talking about. So I wrote the first deck, I called them Zen cards. And the first deck was n cards. I bought a BMW M three with the royalties that I got from those SIM cards. And we went to Wayne Dyer. And we said, we know you can't publish with us. But why don't you do interpeace cards, and your publisher will never do card decks. And we went to the guy who wrote Four Agreements, let's do your four agreement cards. And we went to movie and said, Why don't you do power thought cards. And so the first four decks we came out with was power thought cards and four Four Agreements, cards, interface cards and SIM cards. And from for a guy like me, nobody knew. But the topic Zen was so so popular. It just sold we had it had it had I not done that we wouldn't want to like somebody like Phil Jackson, Phil Jackson, and you know, if the coach of the coach of the bulls and the and the Lakers, and we would said your Zen guy, why don't you write these. But fortunately, I got in under the wire there. And those cartoons became successful that some of those decks were outselling The New York Times books 10 to one. And the authors finally came up to me and they said, Danny, we didn't do anything, you created these floors. And these are outselling our New York Times bestselling books 10 times the one. Why would we publish our books with you? And I said, Well, there's a very good reason you're getting a million dollar advance and you have a commitment to your publisher. But if you want to, we can raise your royalty, we can give you more money, you're selling your book. They're not doing anything for you. They're getting your books in bookstores, we can do everything they're doing and more books. And if you want to join in partnership with us, and just give us something that they won't take. We'll do it for you. And we sat with Sylvia Browne. She was a world renowned psychic in those days.

Ari Gronich 1:34:03  

Yes. We remember her from Montel. Most of the Montel Williams shows.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:10  

Yeah, yeah.

Ari Gronich 1:34:11  

He had a regular appearance.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:34:13  

Yeah. And that regular appearance got more regular when we started working with because what happened was she had a book that was completely out of print that nobody would touch. Nobody wanted it. And we said this is just flat out stupid. You're on mantella once a month. Why don't we just take ads out on that show around your book that will publish called Adventures of a psychic? And why don't we publish a book that nobody wants and see what we can do with it? Long story spoiler. It was on the New York Times bestsellers list for 52 weeks. And she started she said well, what you guys did for me is unbelievable. You You brought something that nobody wanted and it's like alchemy.

Ari Gronich 1:34:59  

You think she could Seeing that common

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:35:01  

you thought you were a thought. But she was never good at doing ad predictions for herself. She was better at predictions for other people. And so once that happened, she became like our biggest fan. And so she would talk to other people, or she would ask her if someone could call her and say something, and to take a chance with us, and it's still a little while. But the card decks then developed into into people taking a chance with us and publishing books. And what we did for them was far more than anybody else would do for him. So even if they didn't quite sell as many books, which they probably did anyway. But even if they didn't, the experience they had with us was way better way more way. They felt like part of a family, they felt like part of a culture that we had created, that I had helped to create, from from that team with with other people. And when I look back on it, none of the people that were doing what we were doing, were extraordinary people, myself included, we were very ordinary and very limited in what they do. But one of the things mosaic has taught me is that it's the ordinary people in the world that change the world. Yes. And when extra ordinaries come together extra things. Absolutely. It's not, it's not these people that think they have to have their superpowers and run around in capes and masks, we have enough people nest and cakes that aren't doing that much for the world. What we need to do, we never intended to do it on our own, we're intended to do it together. And Hay House was just another beautiful example of seeing something that no one else saw the card decks of working together theme and as a family made something that was beautiful, and all of us supporting each other and making something very happen.

Ari Gronich 1:36:49  

So I'm going to, uh, I've been, I want to talk to you about mosaic a little bit, but I just keep getting more places to go, you know, more, more, more places to dig deeper. But, you know, the world is very different than it was when Hay House started, there's a lot of a lot more noise than there was back then there's a lot more players, there's a lot more noise, there's a lot more con artists, there's a lot more people who are repeating the same thing that has been repeated 100 times. Right. So people aren't really,

I guess,

taking on some of the stuff that we used to take on in the 90s that was new, then, you know, 80s 90s 50s it was new, then it's not new now. And people really want the new. So my question is, how does one do that navigate that world now. Versus I think it was a little probably easier back then. Even though it looks like it should be easier. Now with all of the the availability of tools, you know, the Yellow Pages and the billboard are still the things that work back then. Word of mouth was amazing. Nowadays, nobody believes anybody's words of mouth. You know, it's so very odd, kind of kind of a place and world that we're in. So I wanted you to kind of address that along with, okay, we've gone through losing mom and dad 16 turning down billionaire company to, you know, maybe 20 doin, turning down the organizational psychology to, to the rabbi to the to the monk to the to the businessman, that's very successful. So, to me, this is what the mosaic is kind of so I want you to go into how you recognized the mosaic in your life and, and talk a little bit about that. But first, I want you to just kind of how does one navigate this crazy craziness of a world we're in?

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:39:25  

So I love when two questions are really the same question just and so I'm going to treat them as if they're the same question. without us even knowing. What I did then was what I've done all my life, but I didn't realize they did it all my life. saw things differently than other people saw them. And most of my life that isolated me and made them and made me feel like I was alone and separate. But I wasn't alone and separate. It's just people didn't see what I saw. And for a while I got arrogant and thought, Oh, look at me, I'm some great sage, you can see what other people don't see. But what I failed to see is something I didn't see either. And it was when I could see what I saw. And they see what they saw came together and used our vision to see something new. That together, both of us now could see together by seeing what the other saw that real success happened. That's what's missing in the world that we live in now. We have grown into this beautiful community of like mindedness. And I love like mine, I used to love them a lot more than I do now. Because I remember when I first found my like minded community, I thought I'd died and my dad and I couldn't believe that there were crazy mofos out me out there like me that believed what I believed. And I loved that I didn't have to defend every belief that I had, because these people felt the same way I felt. But as it says, in ecclesiastics, everything there is a time and a time for every season under a time to be born to die. I believe that time for like minded communities is over. Because what's happening now is our sweep built silos of like minded all across the land. And we've gotten stronger and bigger and are like this. But the gaps between our community and other communities have gotten wider and deeper. And right now they're causing separation and conflict. And they're causing us to think we're writing somebody else's wrong. And they're causing us to yell at the top at the top level of our voices to say we want we need to be heard. But they're not listening to anybody else either. So they're asking for what they're not giving. It's time for the silos, the Melton to come down. It's time for us to mix in fields with like, unlike minded people, to listen to the opinions. How beautiful is it when when we're able to look at the same exact thing as being totally different? How curious would that make that makes me that I can sit with somebody and say, Well, how is it possible? Like, I want to know what you see not because I want to tell you what I see is better. But I want to know what you see, because we're looking at the same thing. And I don't see what you see. I want to see that beautiful young socialite, because all I see is the old hag, show me out to see that. Because then I have a broader perspective. Every I believe in a world where everything is possible. And the only reason something is impossible to me is because I don't see a way to make it possible. And the longer I sit with people who see the world the same exact way. Chances are never see a new way of seeing it. But as soon as I mixed with diversity, as soon as I mixed with people who see the world differently than me, who knows they might be giving me the idea, the vision, the thing to see that would get would be that missing piece that would make what I thought was impossible possible. And that's an exciting, beautiful world to live in. So what we have to do is, instead of seeing our differences, now, we have to realize we're made like a mosaic. We're many different colors, many different shapes, many different sizes, but our strength comes in holding each other in holding together with each other. Because the artistry we create together is much greater than the artistry we create alone. We grew up,

Ari Gronich 1:43:42  

I just want to interrupt for a second. I want to add, and it's something that you talked about when we talked before is it's also shattered. Because those pieces that are put together in a mosaic come from shattering something.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:44:01  

Yeah. Yeah. And some of them don't, some of them are whole and vast, but some of them are shattered and broken. And and it's our brokenness, it's our shattered pneus it's those places that we're we're most ashamed of that when we just air the laundry and come together and say, Will you hold me You don't need to teach me You don't need to help me You don't need to change me. Will you just hold me and bring me into the into this beautiful artistry? That's called the mosaic and just let's be here for each other and have each other's back and take care for each other. Having to change or change or fix that we're the most the we're most vibrant in we're most beautiful, those mosaics are so much more beautiful than any one of the pieces on its own. And we all knew that we all grew up with this idea that united we stand divided we fall. We live in a world where it's divided now. Having from there to here. So I believe the way to get around it is really, like Bucky fuller said, we can't change the world with the thinking of the world that we currently have. We have to create a new modality, we have to create a new way of doing of thinking that will changes the whole way we do things. And the new way of thinking is most beautifully illustrated. Can I tell one more story? Absolutely. It's most beautifully illustrated by a homeless man I met in San Diego. I was walking down the streets of San Diego. And somehow I felt compelled to walk over to this man who was sitting where the sidewalk meets the building. He was leaning up against the building, sitting with his legs out on the sidewalk. And as I came walking up to him, he said, No, no, this is my spot, you can sit here, this is the only thing I have in the world. Don't come here, please just leave me alone. Don't die. Unless you want to give me money. Don't come here to go away, please go away. I'm not interested in talking to you. I don't want any I don't want anything from just go away. This is my spot. And I said, I'm sorry, that's not going to be it's not gonna happen. There's something about you, I want to know who you are. I just want to be able to sit with you and get to know you a little bit. And he said, I can't do it. I need to make money. And if you're here, I won't make money. I said how much would you make and a half an hour. He said I make $5 every half an hour, $10 an hour. And I said for 16 hours, I make $160 a day. And I need that money to take care of other homeless people who don't do not who aren't as good at what they do as I am. I took out my wallet and looked inside I saw a $50 bill.

And I said here I want to give this to do I have a half an hour that I can spend with you.

He said you're crazy man. And you can sit with me. I don't know what's going on. But you know, I only asked for $5 you gave me 50. So come and sit down what's so important that you want to know. And it took me a little while to crack his defenses. But as I sat with him, suddenly I saw him melting. He saw that I wasn't judging him and saw that I didn't want to hurt me saw that. And I said, I said Cory, if you had your chance, you sit here and watch millions of people, maybe 1000s of people walk by you every day. If you could stop them for a minute and put them in an auditorium. What would you say to them? What would you ask of them? And without missing a beat? He said, Danny, that's very easy. I would ask them to take 10 minutes out of the course of their life and go up to someone they don't know. And just ask them how they're doing and just listen to them. I said, Cory, that's beautiful. But why would why that of all the things you can ask for? Why would you ask that is? Well, you've told me lots of stories in the time we've sat together and let me tell you, but this story is real. It's my story. I hate being a homeless person. I'm so embarrassed and ashamed of what's happened to me in my life. I can't believe that I have to sit here on this. This quarter is Michael. And I dread it every day coming out sitting here. But what makes it even worse, is the people that combined me they don't treat me like a person. They treat me like a thing they would treat an animal better than they treat me. And so one day I was sitting here thinking like, here comes some boys and I just wanted to be happy and I said Hi boys How you doing? And they came up to me in a gang of boys and they kicked me in Punch Man. I didn't know if I was gonna live I laid on the on the ground on the ground bleeding and in pain all through my body. And while I was on the ground, people spit at me and yelled that means and and cursed at me and yelled obscenities to me. And I was I just thought okay, I don't I can't do anything. I can barely move. Now I'm since pain. And I just closed my eyes and fell asleep for a moment. And I was woken up by a man urinating on me. And I thought Enough is enough. Like I hate my life. And I'm not doing anything of value to people. People may look at the scorn in which they treat me. I want to go around. Danny, you don't know this. But the street right and back of this is a dark street. Nobody walks that street because everybody wants to street. Nobody ever goes on that street. And I decided that night when it became dark. I was going to go to that corner. I was going to take my life. Two minutes after I had that thought a man came up to me in a three piece suit. And he put his hand on my shoulder. He said how you doing brother? out of that a good time, sir. This is the wrong time to ask me I'm not doing well. Please just continue on your way. You can't do anything for me. I don't want anything from you. Just continue on your way. I don't want you to be here. I don't want anything on that. I don't want to talk to anybody. And he said there's no chance that's going to happen. He just said to me and he sat down next to me. And maybe it was the fact that he had a three piece suit on Maybe it was the fact that I thought he was important. But he said to me, tell me what's going on. I put my head on his shoulder and I just started to cry. Big crocodile tears poured down my face. And he said, It's okay, just cry. And he said, When you're ready, just tell me what you want to say. Danny and only took 10 minutes, or 10 minutes of sitting with him, I realized after that, I couldn't kill myself that night. An important man and a three piece suit had taken 10 minutes out of the course of his lifetime, to sit with me, a homeless man, a man that nobody thought was anybody. And he cared enough about me to just ask me how I was. He didn't try and fix me he didn't try and feed me and and try and change me and and try and give me a job. He didn't try to take me to a shelter. He didn't try and do anything. For me. All he did was Listen to me. I prayed that he would come back again, another day. Because I wanted him to know that at that, that's simple. 10 minutes, saved my life that day. But I've never seen him again. But I wish I could tell him he saved my life. Well, they have something called the butterfly effect. It's a butterfly flaps his wing in one clip part of the world. And there's just there's winds blowing another part of the world. That story touched me so deeply. That I vowed to myself that on every time and every podcast that I was on every show, and every talk that I would have given in every boardroom that I would go into, I would present people in that room the opportunity to do Korea's challenge. I would say to them, Take 10 minutes out of the course of your lifetime. And just listen, you would be

by now millions of people have heard quarries quarries offer. I wish I could tell Corey, that that's what's happened. But I've wanted that street corner many times he's not there anymore. I don't even know if he's still alive. But it doesn't almost doesn't matter. Because he's alive through that story. And so I want to ask the people listening here. Listen, do you have 10 minutes out of the course of your life, to just go up to another human being you don't know. And just sit with them and care enough about them to ask them how they are not as a salutation where they say find good, great, and you just carry on with your day. But where you actually care enough about them to say, I want to go behind that? Do you have the courage to sit with them and just listen to their response. You don't need to fix them, you don't need to help them, you don't need to change them, you don't need to make them something other than you just need to listen to him. To me, that's the new modality of the world that we're gonna live in a world where people care enough about each other to just hold the space for each other, to have the opportunity to share with these work with who they are, what they feel, what they think, how they how they how they think without being attacked, for it without being put down for it without being vandalized for what they believe. Because it's in the sharing of our belief systems, that we create the most beautiful mosaic that can ever be created. It's called the United States of America. It's called the United world. It's called the United Nations of this world. It's called the United galaxy. We were never meant to be alone. We were meant to be together. The understory the story that's in the spaces between the mosaic the book that I wrote, is that story. You mean the grout? Yes. Maybe the grout maybe the spaces?

Ari Gronich 1:53:48  

Yeah. You know, one of my talents, and I talked about it in the book is butterfly effect. I also talked about the talents of seeing between the gaps. And you've you've mentioned that quite a bit today. At that was one of your your talents, seeing and reading and hearing the things that are not being said. And, you know,

today,

there's been a lot said, and I so appreciate having you on the show. I could talk to you for 10 hours, so I'm probably not going to hold you out that long. But how can people get a hold of you if they'd like to learn more work with you of any kind?

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:54:35  

Thank you for your kind for kindly asking that. So my website is Daniel Bruce Levin.com, and I'm sure it'll be in the show notes. But just the spelling is like my name you see on down here, but it's Daniel Bruce Levin. And I really encourage people If you feel unheard, if you feel judged, if you feel like you don't have a person that you can go to that you can share who you are, if you don't even know who you are yourself. One of the beautiful things that happens when when we talk together, and when we do work together is what you end up feeling. You feel alive and invincible. When I got married to my wife, when I met my wife, she was 21 years younger than I, I was I lost my I lost money, all the money that I had in a business deal that went south. I had I had heart palpitations, and I wasn't healthy. And she was this beautiful woman and I was this old, sick, poor man. No. And I looked at her and she said, and she just said to me, I love you so much. And I said, I know why do you love me? And she said, I've never had anybody asked me why I love them before. I love you, because I love you. I love you for no reason. And for every reason. When she said that, to me, I felt invincible. It was the most beautiful thing. It was the love of my mom and dad that I've been looking for all my life that I now found in my partner. And I want to give that gift to other people. You know, in this world, we it's so easy for us to hate for no reason. I want to share with you the other side of that coin. it's even easier to love for no reason. What would happen if we love for no reason? What would happen if we cared for each other for no reason at all, there doesn't need to be a reason to love another person. We just love you because we love you. And when we come together as a mosaic, what I watch when I work with people, is they become happier they become they take more risks, they take more chances, their defenses come down. And sometimes they see themselves for the first time ever, because who they are coming from emerges. Because they're so used to seeing themselves with their silo painted around them. When that silo comes down, they can't believe how beautiful they are. They can't believe how much possibility exists when they just know who they are, and walk in that presence. It isn't the words we say it all the time that we've been talking, it's not the words that we say. It's in the presence that we carry into the words that we say.

Ari Gronich 1:57:50  

Yeah, you know, it's funny. On that note, I'm gonna you know, and the call but

my

men's weekend with Justin Sterling. He used to say, it's not what we're saying. That means anything during this weekend, this was at the beginning his opening monologue. It's how we are when we're together. Yeah, that makes all the difference in the world. And I've always remembered that as

Unknown Speaker 1:58:29  

a good

Ari Gronich 1:58:31  

place to start. Yeah, you know, it's not so much the words, it's not so much the ideas, the concepts, the thoughts. Those are all subjective. It's how we are when we're together and how we make each other feel.

Unknown Speaker 1:58:46  

And

Ari Gronich 1:58:48  

so you have an livened. I've enjoyed your presence, your company, your words of wisdom, and all the ticks, you know, tips, tricks, techniques, and things that will help my audience, create a new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world. So thank you so much, Danny, I really appreciate you. And we're gonna end this call. But remember to like, subscribe, comment, review, do all those things that allow us to communicate with you so that we can have conversations that matter. And I look forward to engaging in in conversations about this conversation. So thank you so much, and we'll see you next time.

Daniel Bruce Levin 1:59:43  

Thanks for having me.

Ari Gronich 1:59:45  

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