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Daniel Bruce Levin 0:00  

There, we I did some work I branded a coaching company is one of the things that I did. And they had a beautiful assessment that they did with people. And they looked at the seven different ways that people show up in the world. And they flew up person is really determines how they show up in the world. And they can either show up as a victim as a confrontational person, as someone who rationalizes everything, as someone who who wants to please other people and will do everything they can for other people. They can show up in a win win situation where everybody wins. They can show up in a place where there is nobody to win with. There's only one, we're all together, we're all united, or they can show up in the place where none of this is real at all. It all just as an illusion.

Hi, I am here with Sunil Godse, His Intuition helped him grow 6 ventures in his earlier entrepreneurial career to close to $20 million. Intuitive branding and business savvy had him completely transform a number of smaller ventures, taking them from 6 to 7 figures within a short period of time.

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Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

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We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community.

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Sunil godse. He is an intuition ologists. And I am not going to tell you exactly what that is, I'm going to let him do it. But let's just say that by using his intuition, he has had the success of making over $20 million, taking companies from 500,000 to three and a half million, doing all kinds of things on establishing relationships. And he's helped over 50,000 people change the way that they make decisions by helping them sharpen their intuition. Now, I have my own motivations for wanting to talk to Sunil. But I'm gonna let him tell you a little bit about intuition ology.

Sunil Godse 1:01  

Fantastic, well, thanks for having me on, I'm really excited to, to educate your listeners a bit on on how to sharpen their intuition. And to give you a bit of a background as to kind of highlight I started, you know, down the road of figuring out, you know, why intuition was so important was I wrote a book called fail fast, succeed faster. And the whole premise behind the book was, if you if you had looked at the the failures of others, the hurdles that others had gone through in their businesses, or their ventures, then if you don't repeat them, then you should be you should be able to succeed. And so what I, when I wrote the book and started going on stages, one of the questions I used to get was, well, what's the one thing that entrepreneurs can do that can make them successful? So it's like this magic pill. And at that time, you know, when I used to get asked, I used to roll my eyes saying, well, there's a whole reason why I interviewed 300 people with 75 stories in the book. And so at that point, it was just like, the entrepreneurship is complicated it is. But the one thing that came down to being common, when I went back to listen to some of the video, the the taped interviews I had, was that 80 to 90% of them use some form of I ignored my intuition. I didn't trust my gut, I knew I shouldn't have this was the language around this thing called intuition. And it really got me to understand, Wow, that's really interesting that people are ignoring their intuition, and it's now leading them to failures. Why do they do and why did I ignore my intuition?

Ari Gronich 2:27  

What the difference between intuition and reading your environment is,

Sunil Godse 2:32  

so it's all part of the same thing. So let's and now you're touching upon the four types of intuition. So let's, let's dive into that. So the first, first of the four, and this is not in by no means in any particular order, because they all work the same time, the biggest one that people don't think about is that intuition does rely on your past learning experience. So when you're born, all these, this learning and experience gets put into the subconscious area of your brain that's relevant to you. And so if you look at the brain, like a sub like an iceberg, the 10% above water is your conscious, the 90% is below water, which is just subconscious. So that's the first thing. You're talking about the situation that you're in. So that's the second part. It's called situational intuition. It looks at the environment you're in and says, is everything safe? Is everything where it needs to be? There's something wrong, and if there's something wrong, you'll focus on it, right? And you'll focus on what's wrong. It's something out of place. Are you getting this feeling that there's danger coming?

Ari Gronich 3:31  

Yeah, it seems like, it's kind of like learning your lesson, right? So the harder it takes the louder you have to have somebody scream at you in order to learn your lesson. You know, the harder that, that intuition, or that lesson will knock on your door, so to speak. So absolutely. No, like, I'll give you an example. Just from my childhood. I was seven years old, my parents got into business with somebody and my brother and I both said, No, I was I was seven. You know, I'm not old enough to have a thought at this point. You know, because kids are meant to be seen and not heard. At least back in probably our day. Yeah, a little bit more. But so my brother and I actually said this person, you know, something is off. We didn't know what obviously we didn't even know how to explain it. But something was off. And two years later, the guy ended up literally shutting the doors to the building that my parents had their offices in stealing, I think a quarter million dollars worth of stuff. We had to sell the house. My dad builds I mean, we basically were left with nothing. Yeah. And so two years later, when we're left with nothing and I'm I started studying Buddhism I was nine I'm started studying Buddhism, Eastern shown in Buddhism that The nominal hoarding a kill style. And and I start learning about karma. And I start learning about intuition and things like that. And I go, Hey, my intuition has been shut down. You know, how do we, and I'm gonna just segue a little bit, but how do we stop ourselves, parents, etc, from shutting down the intuition of kids so that they don't turn that into a habit of shutting down their intuition as adults.

Sunil Godse 5:39  

So everything starts with you. And so you have to be the one to first of all, be in touch with your intuition and recognize that these these intuitive signals, recognize that some of us have gone down societal norms, and it didn't turn out, recognize that the people around us may not be the best that that are there. And so when there's a seven step process that I go through, that takes you from basically taking a problem and solving it using your intuition. And two of them are really kind of cleaning up the people around you, and cleaning up the environment you're in, I mean, those are two of the things. So you really have to take a hard look at who are those that around you that are, you know, giving you feedback, and it doesn't mean you have to take a hard, hard lesson and cut everybody out, there's gonna be levels of people that you want in the inner circle and the outer circle, just to keep it very simple.

Ari Gronich 6:28  

What's the difference? If hindsight is 2020? What is foresight?

Sunil Godse 6:34  

So you have to be careful with foresight. So people kind of get into manifestation and things like that. So that is something that can happen it now It all depends on how, how open you are to intuition and the power of it. And like some people want to really hang on the research. And the research is simply not there yet, if you're open to saying the intuition, and your brain is a lot more powerful than we think that we can measure. So there's been a lot of instances in the people I've interviewed where they've manifested something or they, they believe that something can happen. And they and that happens. And the process to do this is is like this, from my from my perspective, you can have a goal that you want, make sure that's good, that goal is realistic. And so like, you know, you don't want to hang your hat on it, I'm going to make a million dollars, because that's an extrinsic goal, what's the intrinsic goal, what what is really your purpose. And when you have your purpose, and you want to affect people at a certain level, the laggard indicator, so to speak, could be the million dollars. So that's okay. But it's really driven by purpose, which is a future goal. What intuition helps you do is it helps you take the steps in the present moment, based on your signals that are going to help you connect with the right people, open the right doors of opportunity, take the right decisions, or whatever situation that you're in, so that you meet your your purpose, which is really driven by a passion, it has to be your passion, it has to be internal. And when the purpose is to affect is, in my case, it's affect as many people as I want. In a nice case, it's it's help as many people with disabilities and illnesses as they can, in my other daughters case, Divya, it's, you know, simply having a happy life. Right. So there's different purposes that we all have. And so that passion has to match with purpose. And when you trust your intuition in the moment and take those steps, in the moment guided by your intuitive signals, you start reaching those goals.

Ari Gronich 8:33  

Let's take, let's say where we're we're working on people's, you know, level of intuition when it comes to things like politics, when it comes to things like what it is in the world that should be being done, and what's not being done. So like we have politicians that probably have a lot of intuition that they ignore, because of whatever interests, we have a lot of people who would be activists, this show is a lot about how to activate that vision for a better world. And a lot of people who are passionate about something, don't necessarily have the action that goes along with it, they might have the intuition to do that action, but the fear stops them. So let's just kind of get into that a little bit. I want to get really dirty with it. You know, like, let's get into the weeds a little bit more.

Sunil Godse 9:42  

Yep. So there's four intuitive hurdles that really squash your ability to listen to the to your intuitive signals, and they scramble it and you talked about one which is fear, and there's actually three branches of fear. There's the fear of failure. There's the fear of the unknown, and there's the fear of change. So what happens is you have this intuitive signal. And it's different from the fear of, you know, being eaten by a saber toothed tiger. Right. So if you got that, that's coming, that's one fear. But these are where the signals are very important in coming up. So if you fear taking that first step, if you already know what your basket of positive and negative signals are, by looking at the past, and you look at the good decisions you made, and you looked at the bad decisions you've made, and you've really broken them down, you've now got a really nice inventory of signals. And so if you fear taking that step, you sit in the moment you think about what is my intuition telling me, and, you know, obviously, you know, I mean, you can talk about it, or you can just sit and think about it, right? If that signal is positive, then you take that step, right, because and then the next step and the next step, and pretty soon you start breaking that that fear down, because you get that confidence. And if it's not the right one, and you go down the wrong path, then you haven't done a very good job of checking in your negative signals, because maybe there's a signal that you haven't brought up as a negative signal, or you're not paying too much attention to the negative signal, because it's really subtle. And it would, because it was subtle, you ignored it the first time. So this is where you really need to take the time to figure out what your signals are. So fear is one of them. The second intuitive hurdle is it's called ego. And there's two types of ego, the one egos narcissism where you're talking without any experience, and of course, your intuition saying your blessing. The other side of ego is following the herd. So societal norms is when we follow the mantra follow the herd, even though it goes against your values, even though that's not what you didn't want to do. Me going into engineering is not what I wanted to do, I want to be an entrepreneur. And so I followed the herd and I wasted three years of my life in engineering, and it could have been three years I could have spent chasing an entrepreneurial dream.

Unknown Speaker 11:51  

Awesome,

Ari Gronich 11:52  

thank you so much for for being here for, you know, exploring all of this madness, and an intuition. I mean, you know, I know that I tend to take people on, on awkward journeys through information nonlinearly and, and ask questions that I think most interviewers, you know, don't really ask as often. But I like to get down deep and dirty, you know, I really want what I want for this show for, for people in general is for them to be able to take these, these episodes, and act upon the things that are in them so that they can change the world. That's my purpose. And, and I'm, I'm blessed, you know, to be able to interview people like you that have unusual, you know, jobs, unusual ways of going about what you're doing, and have so much success that you can easily explain and, and entertain at the same time. And so, I think that people are really getting a lot out of this. My last question to you is really about the nature of people, and how the nature of people changes the ability to use their intuition. And what I mean by that is, people tend human beings tend to have faith based on fear. So if you ever listen to anybody who's who asks, If you believe it's, are you fearful of God, if you want to be successful, you have to be, you know, fearful of God, not in love with God, not, you know, like, enamored by the information in the word, right, but fearful of the consequences versus, you know, looking towards the benefits. So we have this, this dichotomy as people. And so the question becomes faith versus intuition, right. And the nature of people, how do we develop? And this is it's a, it's a hard question you may not have, but how do we develop the intuition that goes along with the compassion that goes along with the wish to do no harm, to have peace, to create a world for everybody that is successful and happy, you know, I get that we need the contrast right? But we've contrasted so far over to one side, that, you know, I want to I want to do everything I can to bring it back to that side of love and peace. You know, even if it's a pipe dream, so

Sunil Godse 15:15  

how do you Yeah, and the way I can answer this is just sort of, through my lens, so to speak. And so the way I because I get bombarded with a lot of these messages, and we can, we can just really extrapolate that to a lot of the messages that get that, but ultimately, what it what are you affected by, right. And so when I get these messages of fear, or fear based things, or people giving advice or circumstances that are happening, I'm in the driver's seat. So I control the ability to react to that in whatever way I want. And so it's like a shield like a, you know, I've got one of these shields, and you come in, and it just bounces off interesting, you've got my attention, or you might not have, but ultimately, the things that drive me are the ones that are going to really, again, it just I get that pull that I know this is the right thing. And I'll give you a very, very good example. Because it just happened a couple of weeks ago, I was watching this really great video from Prince EA. And really, it was really inspirational. And the messaging was really good. And I just happen to go through and it gets tons of comments. But what I noticed that that comments was, there was some of them saying, I need to talk to someone. And so my intuition drew me to say, Listen, you need to reach out to this guy. It was just one of, I don't know, 3000 comments that were there. But somehow I focused on that one. And I reached out and I said, Hey, listen, DM me, and here's my number, give me a call. Now, it could be a salesperson, or you know, you don't know. But there was a guy that was four months behind in his payments, child support payments, he tried every single job he can. And he was at wit's end. And he was about to really he led his life got he really was at that stage. And he was it was just the depths of despair. And so within half an hour, we had this talk about Okay, what are you passionate about? This is a 20 year 20 year veteran of welding, working gas stations, retail outlets. And it turns out very quickly, he has a passion for fishing. He somehow wants to dabble in digital marketing, and he wants to be something for his daughter. And he's got a phone and like, oh, bingo, well, there are some dots that connect. Okay, so he and he himself says, Now there's a lot of people doing fishing wrong. And I mean, the story is just right there. I mean, just connect the dots, you got digital media, you got fishing videos, you can do what people are doing wrong, you can make money by using affiliate on selling lures, or fishing tackle, and I'm not in the fishing space. So I'm just riffing based on what I think is there. And so you need to create content, that people are not only going to be interested in saying, you know, you can catch a bigger fish in this area. But you can catch a bigger fish in this area. And I tested these two lures, you need the orange one, and by the way, it's 1999. And then you become an affiliate member, right? Or you do a membership on you know, if you have that confidence, but it has to be believable. And I told him intuition is a two way street. If your blessing, you know, people may see it's, it's really good, or you're not giving enough information where you're actually selling something genuinely, and because you believe it, then you're gonna get people saying, Yeah, that's great tip. See you later, right. So within 30 minutes, we had mapped out a plan. And the excitement in this guy's voice was amazing. And I told him, I'm going to be checking up on you in about a month or two to make sure that you actually follow through on what we just discussed. Right? So here was something the story doesn't necessarily have to be that cathartic. The issue is something pulled me there. something out of that that moment of time that I gave gave gave me the focus there. I'm there's other videos that say, Yeah, well, that's a great message, I don't believe you, I'm gone. And it's it's that ability to really be in the moment, allow things through this filter into the filter, so to speak, that's actually going to help you move your life forward, that's actually going to take those steps that you know, need to be taken forward. And believing that the information you get the people you trust, the situations you put yourself in, move you that that way forward. And it happens in a split second. So that's why it's so important to know what those intuitive signals are that move you that way. Remember that for me it was that pulling whatever happened after that pulling was meant to happen, because I trust my intuition to do that. And thankfully, this affected this, this this man, but these are laggard indicators that we look at the money, the happiness, the changing of people, in your case, athletes, affecting people. Those are laggard indicators that happen when we use leading indicators, like actually just taking action and taking the steps. So we should never focus on the lagging indicators. We focus on taking the steps and every single step you take. Remember that guy who has cerebral palsy, you just don't know realize how far you've come until you look back later. But look back later. Right.

Ari Gronich 19:55  

Well, thank you so much. How can people get ahold of you?

Sunil Godse 20:00  

Intuition knowledge.com is there my email address is Sunil at sunil godse com. I'm an all the socials LinkedIn, Twitter Facebook Instagram I'm making a move on tik tok so trying that instance I'm not doing any crazy dances but I will be well I did with my daughters because they wanted me to do one but I gotta be careful but not gonna

Ari Gronich 20:18  

weapon and naini No, I

Sunil Godse 20:22  

think that would be where my shake that's where people go my followers will go down for sure.

Ari Gronich 20:29  

Oh come on. You can harlem shake it? Wait, I must be old that was that was many years ago the Harlem Shake. What's the newest one? flash mob No, we're not doing flash.

Sunil Godse 20:41  

I did try my my thing I breakdancing way back when so you know I had the cardboard and a helmet and I had a buddy of mine and

Ari Gronich 20:48  

you have the cardboard and helmet Did you have the parachute pants? I had the parachute pants

Sunil Godse 20:52  

you know I couldn't at that time couldn't afford it. But you know as much as you know I think we just want to in the basement first if we if we could do the worm we did and luckily I had my helmet because that worm got me into a wall and this mermaid turning into a butterfly soon that's for sure.

Ari Gronich 21:18  

Stop hammertime

Sunil Godse 21:22  

But yeah, so any of the socials email me DM me I'm happy to answer any questions and yeah, take the seven day challenge I mean it's free and and find out how intuition is solve your problem and now you've got a template for life so you have a go at her.

Ari Gronich 21:34  

Absolutely. Well thank you so much for for being here Sunil remember you can always find us at create a new tomorrow.com or achieve health usa.com remember to check out the book a new tomorrow.com. It's on Amazon as well as on the website. So you can take a look at that and like subscribe rate review, comment below. Let's have a discussion. Let's talk about this. Let's figure out stuff that will help us all move forward together. Thank you so much to Sunil. This has been another great episode with our Ari Gronich and Sunil godse. Let's experience creating a new tomorrow today and activating our vision for a better world. Have a great great rest of your day.

Hi, I am here with Sunil Godse, His Intuition helped him grow 6 ventures in his earlier entrepreneurial career to close to $20 million. Intuitive branding and business savvy had him completely transform a number of smaller ventures, taking them from 6 to 7 figures within a short period of time.

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Create a fundamental change in the global community from a strictly reactive system of medicine that focuses on symptom and emergency treatment to a proactive system based on whole-being health as well as illness and injury prevention. Personally teach and influence at least one million people.

We are a multifaceted Health and Wellness company that specializes in Corporate Wellness and Culture Consulting, Industry Speaking engagements and Continuing education for the industry.

We Help corporations by solving the most costly problems they have with Productivity and Health Care while creating a culture that thrives on accomplishment and community.

We help organizations think outside of the box and gain tools that allow them to be nimble and strong as tides and markets shift.

We Up level the skills and tools of other practitioners by providing them continuing education that actually leads to greater success and standing in the business community..

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari Gronich. And this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. And today I have with me Sunil godse. He is an intuition ologists. And I am not going to tell you exactly what that is, I'm going to let him do it. But let's just say that by using his intuition, he has had the success of making over $20 million, taking companies from 500,000 to three and a half million, doing all kinds of things on establishing relationships. And he's helped over 50,000 people change the way that they make decisions by helping them sharpen their intuition. Now I have my own motivations for wanting to talk to Neil but I'm gonna let him tell you a little bit about intuition ology.

Sunil Godse 1:09  

Fantastic, well, thanks for having me on, I'm really excited to, to educate your listeners a bit on on how to sharpen their intuition. And to give you a bit of a background as to kind of highlight I started, you know, down the road of figuring out, you know, why intuition was so important was I wrote a book called fail fast, succeed faster. And the whole premise behind the book was, if you if you had looked at the the failures of others, the hurdles that others had gone through in their businesses, or their ventures, then if you don't repeat them, that you should be, you should be able to succeed. And so what I, when I wrote the book and started going on stages, one of the questions I used to get was, well, what's the one thing that entrepreneurs can do that can make them successful? So it's like this magic pill. And at that time, you know, when I used to get asked, I used to roll my eyes saying, well, there's a whole reason why I interviewed 300 people was 75 stories in the book. And so at that point, it was just like, the entrepreneurship is complicated it is. But the one thing that came down to being common, when I went back to listen to some of the video, the the taped interviews I had, was that 80 to 90% of them use some form of I ignored my intuition. I didn't trust my gut, I knew I shouldn't have this was the language around this thing called intuition. And it really got me to understand, Wow, that's really interesting, that people are ignoring their intuition, and is now leading them to failures. Why do they do and why did I ignore my intuition? And so when I immediately thought about when I ignored my intuition, there were three things that came up right away. The first was a career that I got into I got into engineering being South Asian, it's it's either doctor, lawyer, engineer, or door number four is failure for anybody South Asian, especially, you know, firstborn son or a son. So I ended up going to door number three, and became the engineer and just absolutely hated it. And I spent three years there. And to, to in the second year of that three year stint, I ended up becoming an investor with a Mexican restaurant, a Mexican Mexican restaurant was a senior fries brought the chain up to Canada with the first time ever, and we bought the rights to the name and I became an investor and I was making five times more in dividends. And I was full time as a, as a civil engineer. And so in the third year, I just said, I'm leaving right now. Entrepreneurship is really, really speaking to me, from an intuitive perspective, I lost my relationship with my dad. But that was a sacrifice I needed. That's why I kind of fell into these societal norms, so to speak. And then that's that went into wholesale clothing, retail clothing, pop up events, entertainment company. And that's where the $20 million in ventures or as investor came in, before I started consulting other people. The second time was I remember, there was a management consulting contract, a big one in Silicon Valley. And it was a big, it was a big it name. And I'm thinking, wow, this is what an opportunity. But the contract terms kept changing. And my intuition at that time was saying, you better back off, like Something's fishy here. But the money was so good. And I was so emotionally invested in going that I spent every single penny going down there. And the company didn't pay me. And I came back with 25 cents in my bank account back to Canada. And and at that time, I was there was two years. I was about to be married. I'd met my wife three years earlier, and the money is just gone. And I have nothing. So perhaps the most devastating one was I had a friend of mine who was being stalked, and she needed some advice, and I was doing some coaching at the time. And so she said, Sunil Can we meet right away too. I need I need you to give me some advice on what's going on. And so I had nothing that afternoon. Yet my and my intuition saying like meet whether this is urgent, yet something like I just I just ignored that. That's something and I said, Well, let's meet a couple of days later. And the very next day, that same stalker walked up to her at a bus shelter. shot and killed her. And she ended up dying the very next day. So when I looked at those times when I ignored this something, I kept thinking like, why, like, why did they do that? And then I started thinking, you know what I mean, intuitions spoken to me, before I had this voice had this feeling I got all these different things happening. Why do we ignore intuition? And that got me really taking a deep dive into understanding what intuition is? Is there science behind it? And sure enough, there were MRIs. When I looked at the academic literature and showing what we're born with intuition. There was studies saying that infants, as young as two months old had intuitive capabilities. You had experiences, there were four types of intuition and that we have these things called into signals. And these signals are very unique to you and I. So we have four types of intuition. And we can dive into that if you want a little bit later. And they come in two splits.

Ari Gronich 5:52  

Yeah, I want to I want to interrupt you for a second, I want to know whether what the difference between intuition and reading your environment is.

Sunil Godse 6:04  

So it's all part of the same thing. So let's and now you're touching upon the four types of intuition. So let's, let's dive into that. So the first, first of the four, and this is not in by no means in any particular order, because they all work the same time, the biggest one that people don't think about is that intuition does rely on your past learning experience. So when you're born, all these, this learning and experience gets put into the subconscious area of your brain that's relevant to you. And so if you look at the brain, like a sub like an iceberg, the 10% above water is your conscious, the 90% is below water, which is your subconscious. So that's the first thing. You're talking about the situation that you're in. So that's the second part, it's called situational intuition. It looks at the environment you're in and says, is everything safe is everything where it needs to be, there's something wrong, and if there's something wrong, you're you'll focus on it, right? And you'll focus on what's wrong, it's something out of place, are you getting this feeling that there's danger coming? So people I've even had, you know, people who are, you know, blind, and they've got their service dog, and they're walking down this alley, they've gone and all of a sudden the service dog stops, there's something wrong that's going down that alley. And and so about other people just gone down this alley, and then again, it nighttime and they just sense there's something in their environment that's off. And they walk the other way. And sure enough, later on, they see a couple of individuals that come around the side that are a little bit suspicious, start following her. So that's that situational intuition. The third of the form is called relational intuition. And so this is where you're looking at the person or persons in that environment, can they be trusted? What's their body language looking like? Are they actions matching the word so what's the facial twitches is deceptive. You know, so and it's consistently watching. So that you're continually analyzing forever, like somebody can can rope you in and and you know, two days later or a week later, start doing things that are deceptive, right. So your intuition is always watching when it comes to relational intuition. And then the fourth one is creative intuition. That's the ultimate decision that you make. So all these four come together in a split second to tell you whether you're making the right decision or making the wrong decision. And this is where the intuitive signals are very, very important. Because when you make the right decision, you get an inventory of positive signals. And typically, for people that's like the doctor connecting, it feels right, there's a pull, these are common after interviewing over 1000 people, these are sort of three of the common ones that people think about. The common ones, the negative ones is sort of that gut feeling. In some cases, it's a voice where and voice could be positive or negative, depending on the tone of the voice or what you feel that voice is saying. And then there's a couple of really odd ones. Like there's one which is an orb, somebody sees an orb an omen. And in one case, we had there was an entrepreneur that you when I was interviewing him, he was just saying, Yeah, you know, I don't know about these signals, you know, but every time he talked about his failures, the ventures that he went into for the wrong reasons, he kept touching his left ear lobe. And pretty soon it clicked, like, Oh, my God, like there's a signal. And now he remembers every time he got into that venture, thinking about it, he be grabbing his left ear lobe. And that was his intuitive signal to say you're making the wrong decision. So when you have sort of, he understands, and this is how complex intuition is, which had to find out is because we don't understand what these four are, we ignore a number of signals. And even if we get that gut feeling, or we get that voice, how do you know that's the first signal? If that's signal number three, that just means that you made two bad decisions, so that those two bad decisions could be a stubbed toe, or those two bad decisions could lead you to bankruptcy.

Ari Gronich 9:50  

Yeah, it seems like it's kind of like learning your lesson, right? So the harder it takes, the louder you have to have somebody scream at you in order to learn Your lesson? You know, the harder that that intuition, or that lesson will knock on your door so to speak. So, absolutely no, like, I'll give you an example, just from my childhood. I was seven years old, my parents got into business with somebody and my brother and I both said, No, I was I was seven, you know, I'm not old enough to have a thought at this point, you know, because kids are meant to be seen and not heard. At least back in probably our day. Yeah, a little bit more. But so my brother and I actually said, this person, you know, something is off. We didn't know what obviously, we didn't even know how to explain it. But something was off. And two years later, the guy ended up literally shutting the doors to the building that my parents had their offices in stealing, I think, a quarter million dollars worth of stuff, we had to sell the house, my dad builds, I mean, we basically were left with nothing. Yeah. And so two years later, when we're left with nothing, and I'm I started studying Buddhism, I was nine, I'm started studying Buddhism, nature and shown in Buddhism, that's the nominal ordering a kill. style. And, and I start learning about karma. And I start learning about intuition and things like that. And I go, Hey, my intuition has been shut down. You know, how do we, and I'm gonna just segue a little bit, but how do we stop ourselves, parents, etc, from shutting down the intuition of kids so that they don't turn that into a habit of shutting down their intuition as adults.

Sunil Godse 11:58  

So everything starts with you. And so you have to be the one to first of all, be in touch with your intuition and recognize that these, these intuitive signals, recognize that some of us have gone down societal norms, and it didn't turn out, recognize that the people around us may not be the best, that that are there. And so when there's a seven step process that I go through, that takes you from basically taking a problem and solving it using your intuition. And two of them are really kind of cleaning up the people around you, and cleaning up the environment you're in, I mean, those are two of the things. So you really have to take a hard look at who are those that are around you that are, you know, giving you feedback, and it doesn't mean you have to take a hard, hard lesson and cut everybody out, there's gonna be levels of people that you want into inner circle and the outer circle, just to keep it very simple. The inner circle ones are the ones that are really going to be there for you through thick and thin through the ups and downs. And they're, they're genuinely there to move your life forward. They're not Yes, people, there are people that you know, you'll get an honest opinion from. So when you surround yourself with with those type of people and learn about these things about signals and create your environment that's positive, then you can do the same for everyone else. Because it doesn't make sense. And you're giving, you know, advice to someone, when you yourself are following societal norms. I mean, I have a friend like that, right? They know exactly about me and intuition, and how I have that with my two kids. And I talk about it all the time at home, and they roll their eyes. But you know, these other people recognize it. And they're really good friends of ours, and we talk about it how important it is, yet, they're advising their kids of a societal norm, you have to go into medicine, you have to do this. Right. And so that's the economy, right? So on the one hand, they're talking about it from a conceptual perspective. On the other hand, from a practical perspective, they're doing something completely different now, enter their kids who are in the environment, because we're talking about this. And yes, you know, some of the kids that come over, we talk about intuition or something like that, or decisions you have to make, and they get my aspect of you know, that it feels right chasing your dreams, what's your passion, that kind of language, then they go home, and they hear something totally, no, no, you're, I mean, what is that nonsense? You know, yet, we're talking about it. And so now you've left that that child confused. So you really have to really understand it for yourself. And it's tough. It's really tough, you're gonna get a lot of backlash. Right? And, and, you know, I entered discussions with some people. And yeah, I mean, I get backlash because of my opinions, but I really don't care. Right? Because my intuition my intuitive path is for me, and if you look at my two kids, and the impact that they've had, and you know, my wife kind of is sort of a traditionalist and all that stuff. And so we kind of go back and forth as well. But I'm pretty staunch like you know, you don't have to do things because other people expect you to do it. You don't have to follow societal norms. And if you really want to go into say medicine, or if you really want to go into to, you know, become an artist, if you really want to do dentistry, whatever it is, you make sure you want to do it because you love it. Your Passion about it. And I want to hear the language that is telling me that not just because you're saying it because x y Zed or somebody driving a new car, you know, and you're, you know, Justin recolor was talking about, I was just listening As for his podcast episode he was talking about, and this, this was the one you just released the full interview I was listening to, and he was talking about, we're so hung up on money and house cars, and extremities, external motivations, that we should be looking inside. And one of the things that I tell people is that the cost to you in making the wrong decision is actually double the cost. And here's why. The cost is if you make a bad decision, it's not only the time, effort, and in some cases, money lost on making that bad decision. But in that same instance, you can actually gain time gain money, gain effort by making the right decision. So it's actually two times the cost in terms of making a bad decision. So when it comes to kids, with my two girls, so my eight year old, in both cases, they've been able to move away from bullying incidents that they've seen the behavior they don't like. And I was actually really surprised that my oldest one was pretty like her line was drawn in the sand is she was saying, I don't like that behavior whatsoever. And I was telling her, Well, you should give that friend a second chance. You know, just because she was pretty hard. And that shocked me. Like, wow, and she's like this, I think she was eight at the time. And so you should, you know, just see, give her a second chance, because they were friends for a long time. And then sure enough, she's she's an acid, the choice is up to you. And she agreed at one point. And her friend ended up coming over and giving lollipops and a big poster of when they spent time together. And I said, Well, you know, I mean, she took the time to do that. So she clearly cares. And sure enough, that behavior came back. And so she said, I'm done. And I said, excellent. You got your you got your answer. So I should have had her trust her intuition. But my now she's 14, she's now running actually a nonprofit business by herself, where she, she actually paints and you can see her paintings behind. Those are her art. And so she sells those to raise money for distributes and illnesses. She's raised over 20 grand in about a year and a half. She has her own podcast series. She does all the backend stuff, she doesn't want my team to work on it. She wants to put the podcast together, she's getting the guests, she's sending the emails. And it's all intuitively based, like easy to see the passion in it. Right? You see the purpose, you see the engagement. And you can tell that this is really like she's loving that process. That's what we have to teach our kids. That's what we have to teach ourselves. And that's where that consistency comes. And when you're acting like that. And when your kids act like that, you attract people like that, because you naturally repel others or you keep them at a distance. Because you make that decision. They don't.

Ari Gronich 17:47  

So just because you mentioned Justin, Justin's daughter, Niva Lee recolor has the podcast superpower kids. Wow. And she teaches she she's a an author, best selling author, she's been on stage in for ink magazine, she's been rated as one of the most influential kids in America on entrepreneurship. You might want to have your daughter, check her show out and, and even possibly be on it. And I know that they enjoy that. And neiva and my seven year old are like brother and sister. I mean, they just they've known each other pretty much since he was a few months old. And when they met, they were like, just they couldn't stop having each other having enough of each other. So it was it was a beautiful thing. But yeah, naevus Niva is amazing. And yeah, and we sat down your daughter's doing that, that would be awesome. And yeah, I highly recommend that. That being said, What's the difference? If hindsight is 2020? What is foresight?

Sunil Godse 19:02  

So you have to be careful with foresight. So people kind of get into manifestation and things like that. So that is something that can happen it now It all depends on how, how open you are to intuition, and the power of it. And so like some people want to really hang on to research. And the research is simply not there yet, if you're open to saying the intuition, and your brain is a lot more powerful than we think that we can measure. So there's been a lot of instances in the people I've interviewed where they've manifested something or they, they believe that something can happen. And they and that happens. And the process to do this is is like this, from my from my perspective, you can have a goal that you want, make sure that's good, that goal is realistic. And so like you know, you don't want to hang your hat on it, I'm gonna make a million dollars, because that's an extrinsic goal. What's the intrinsic goal what what is really your purpose and when you have your purpose Number one effect people at a certain level, the laggard indicator, so to speak, could be the million dollars. So that's okay. But it's really driven by purpose, which is a future goal. What intuition helps you do is it helps you take the steps in the present moment, based on your signals that are going to help you connect with the right people, open the right doors of opportunity, take the right decisions in whatever situation that you're in. So that you meet your your purpose, which is really driven by a passion, it has to be your passion, it has to be internal. And when the purpose is to affect is, in my case, it's affect as many people as I want. In a nice case, it's it's help as many people with disabilities and illnesses as they can, in my other daughter's case, Divya, it's, you know, simply having a happy life. Right. So there's different purposes that we all have. And so that passion has to match with purpose. And when you trust your intuition in the moment and take those steps, in the moment guided by your intuitive signals, you start reaching those goals. And the best example I can give with this is, at least the one that I what I had was there was a there's a fellow that has cerebral palsy, and I went down to Toronto to invite him to interview him on leadership, because he's pretty high up in one of the banks. And what he was saying is he got a chance to go on the beach, of course, you know, he's always been in a wheelchair. And you know, he got down to the beach. And people lifted him up, because he wanted to put his feet in the water for this for the first time. And he got up and he fell flat on his face in the water. And he was embarrassed, he looked back. And he said, but like there's that intuitive moment that says I'm done. Versus No, I'm going to take the next steps. Because just because I make mistakes, I'm gonna learn from those mistakes. But it's the actions that matter. And they took one more step, one more step, and he kept going forward. And when he looked back, he couldn't believe how far he had come with this dream of just actually being in the water. And he was pointing his water was up to his chin. So he didn't look back. And so that's where the foresight came in. Right? Because he actually took that step. And he took the next step, and he took the next step. And he reached where he would need to reach. And that's we look back, people sit there dreaming of things like that, and actually making, you know, taking the time, they don't take the action, they don't take the steps, they don't trust their intuition to do that. And there's some statistics actually gathered from Gallup and Harvard, and you look at people actually raising their hand, saying, I want to make a change. There's a roomful of 25,000 people that are actually saying, Yes, I'm going to join that course, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that, I'm going to take this I'm gonna, I'm gonna change my life. In that room for the 25,000, the actual number of people that do it, statistically, is one. So that means 24,400 999. People say they're gonna do it, but they don't. So the question is, why aren't you that one?

Ari Gronich 22:57  

Right? So let me kind of take this in a interesting angle. But let's take let's say we're, we're, we're working on people's, you know, level of intuition when it comes to things like politics, when it comes to things like, what it is in the world, that should be being done, and what's not being done. So like, we have politicians that probably have a lot of intuition that they ignore, because of whatever interests, we have a lot of people who would be activists, this show is a lot about how to activate that vision for a better world. And a lot of people who are passionate about something, don't necessarily have the action that goes along with it, they might have the intuition to do that action, but the fear stops them. So let's just kind of get into that a little bit. I want to get really dirty with it. You know, like, let's get into the weeds a little bit more.

Sunil Godse 24:20  

Yep. So there's four intuitive hurdles, that really squash your ability to listen to the, to your intuitive signals, and they scramble it. And you talked about one which is fear. And there's actually three branches of fear. There's the fear of failure, there's the fear of the unknown, and there's the fear of change. And so what happens is, you have this intuitive signal, and it's different from the fear of, you know, being eaten by a saber toothed tiger. Right. So if you got that, that's coming, that's one fear. But these are where the signals are very important in coming up. So if you fear taking that first step, if you already know what your basket of positive and negative signals are by looking at the past, and you look at the good decisions you made, and you Look at the bad decisions you've made, and you've really broken them down, you've now got a really nice inventory of signals. And so if you fear taking that step you sit in the moment you think about what is my intuition telling me, and, you know, obviously, you know, I mean, you can talk about it, or you can just sit and think about it, right? If that signal is positive, then you take that step right before the end, and the next step and the next step. And pretty soon you start breaking that that fear down, because you get that confidence. And if it's not the right one, and you go down the wrong path, then you haven't done a very good job of checking in your negative signals, because maybe there's a signal that you haven't brought up as a negative signal, or you're not paying too much attention to the negative signal, because it's really subtle. And it would, because it was subtle. You ignored it the first time. So this is where you really need to take the time to figure out what your signals are. So fear is one of them. The second intuitive hurdle is it's called ego. And there's two types of ego, the one egos narcissism where you're talking without any experience, and of course, your intuition saying your blessing. The other side of ego is following the herd. So societal norms is when we follow the mantra follow the herd, even though it goes against your values, even though that's not what you didn't want to do. Me going into engineering is not what I wanted to do, I want to be an entrepreneur. And so I followed the herd and I wasted three years of my life in engineering, and it could have been three years I could have spent chasing an entrepreneurial dream. And so that's the second one. The third one which comes up a lot in relationships is being way too emotional. And when you're way too emotional, you upset the balance between rat being emotional and logic. And then you start talking yourself out of you know, leaving a relationship or getting away from this person, or, or things like that. And the fourth one is called being too rational, rational. And so this is where your logic dictates, you know, somebody is being logical to you. Yeah, that kind of makes sense, even though it's, it's pulling you away from what you're really meant to do. And so those are the four hurdles that come up. And what those hurdles do is they take, again, they take that positive, intuitive signal, and they squashes it, if you don't recognize when those hurdles are coming up. And so this is where you start getting to fear and you start getting into or we talked about extrinsic motivation, you know, are politicians wanting to, to be in the limelight or have a party or maybe they're doing it for the money, I really don't know what some of their motivations may be. But then they start being deceptive, right, they're still there. You know, we're want to be with corporations. These are just things I've seen in the media that come out, these aren't necessarily my beliefs, but but this is what happens when you get get into sort of these these practices where you're looking at extrinsic motivators is you're just wasting your time. Because you're, you're moving in a direction that's not really meant for you. And you don't have to be rich, you have it monetarily, you need to be rich inside, you know, I had Steve Sims was on my, my podcast interview. And we talked about extrinsic motivation. And, you know, this is a guy that was surrounded by Robert Redford and elton john, and all these people at this huge thing. And he got the watch and the suit and he, you know, got a Ferrari and all that stuff. And he was just saying, I just wasn't me. Right, who is this? This flake that took me over? And yes, he you know, he he's having you know, a hat. He's got his arms around all these actors are there they intuition is a two way street. So as much as his intuition saying something, the intuition of others is also looking to him. And they're probably saying this guy's a flake. So we're not going to do business with them. And they're not going to tell him that. And he started telling me when we talk about extrinsic motivation, he started telling me about a client of his, that was so rich, he had three jets, and he wanted to get the fourth jet, but he couldn't afford it. So he killed himself.

So now, that's an extreme example, of extrinsic motivation. But we can all take these mini extreme examples of things that we hang our hat on square footage house, how is going to look? What brand should I buy? You know, we do it for the wrong motivations. If there's a brand you liked, because it fits nice, it's an you just, you know, that, you know, internally, whether you're doing it for the right reasons, or for the wrong reasons, you know, right. And so a lot of people will default sometimes to looking good. Or, you know, and unfortunately, that's a dopamine hit. Right? It's the wrong one.

Ari Gronich 29:29  

So we have we have this, this whole society, I've been watching the social dilemma and Silicon Valley and some of these shows, and we've created an entire society that's based on external motivation and external reward versus internal motivation, internal reward. You see, you know, the, the proliferation of the selfie. Yeah, is a perfect example of of this. It's awesome. About how am I looking and filters? I mean, gosh, the filters, it's all about how am I looking to the outside world, even though inside, I'm getting ready to go kill myself or I'm depressed, or I'm whatever, but I'm going to put out this look to the world that says that I'm something I'm not. And, you know, you know, it's funny because my intuition, you know, tells me a lot, I tend to to pay attention more than I don't. Yeah, although, you know, there's definitely that that level of intuition that I could use a deeper recognition of. But, you know, I'll give you an example of, of intuition. I was in the hospital dead for 26 minutes before they brought me back, I'm 18 years old. And three days later, I wake up in the hospital bed, I sit up, and I turned and I looked at, I don't remember who it was, but either my brother, my mom or something. And I said, I think I need to be a healer. Wow. Now, if I had stopped there, my entire life would have completely shifted. And I probably like my family would have gone to a university would have, you know, my brother's a triple major, double minor in four years Master's in one. I mean, you know, my mom's a teacher, education was was important. Instead of going to a college, I went to a massage school, like, but I had to go from the idea in the hospital of, I think I need to be a healer, to I'm sending out letters, I'm doing an action based on my intuition. And then from there, the intuition led me to the next place, the end, you know, the intuition is like, you get into that flow state versus getting, like most people, which is pounding through walls, right, we're obstacle driven versus flow driven. And every time I've done anything against my own intuition, which is often I become, you know, this obstacle Buster versus somebody who's like laying down in the flow. So just kind of talk about that a little bit. Because, you know, I would not have been who I am, I probably would not have been able to work with the kind of athletes and professionals and, you know, people in my world that I've, I've been blessed to have an opportunity to have an effect on. Yeah. But that was all because of that intuition. And then that action that went next to it.

Sunil Godse 33:11  

Absolutely. And so even as you're describing it, like, I can even just imagine you sitting up and it's actually playing in my head, you turn in your head, and to me, it's turning to the right, so I'm seeing you do this. And I can just imagine the look on the faces of people who just like, what you want to be a healer. And that's when you start to coming to people that don't really understand why or don't want to take the time to figure out why or to support you in that way moving forward. So that's where people normally could get stuck in that scene, or in that situation. When you start trusting intuition being in that flow state. Now you're seeing doors of opportunity open up, and so they're small, but there's these three or four doors that come in, and you open them up. So for you going into massage, I can see a whole bunch of people looking at that story going, What is he doing? Right? And so so many people get succumb to these external pressures, and you know, the voices, where they don't really understand the context around who you are, because every story comes with some kind of a context. Right? You know, and so this is where you just have to, again, that state of flow, you know, where it's going and going at, it feels easy, right? And you just set it so you've There's your positive signal, that state of flow, what happens is if you meet a door, that's not the one that you want to get into, there's an uneasiness to it and your language is already tells me you're pounding through. So just by the nature of your language, you're telling me the nature of that signal already. Right? And so you can feel that signal, right? I can feel it, you can give me whatever words, but in me, I'm feeling that flow. In me I'm feeling that that nx or there's a pushing against me, and and that that's that initial thing that you have to look at and you don't worry about But everybody else, and don't recognize that things are gonna change, right? I mean, you've gone from, you know, almost dying to being a massage therapist, and now, you know, athletes and all these really wonderful people trusting you for advice for their performance. And now you're looking at some high, high level elite people coming to you. Right? Right. So look at the value of that based on the journey you took. So when we talk about looking back, and looking forward, as we talked about earlier, all you did was look forward and you kept going down the path. Now, when you look back, of course, these people are going to trust you, because you followed your intuition to do the right thing. And, you know, nobody, everybody makes mistakes. I still I you know, as much as I talk about intuition, yeah, you know, I get emotional with my family, I get emotional with friends. You know, I'll make some decisions, I'll test something out at even though I knew that I shouldn't have and I did that with a venture that I said, this is not going to work. But let's test it, because I heard some things from some friends that it's a great venture, it ended up being the wrong partner. And it just wasn't but and I sunk a tiny bit of money in to test by intuition. And sure enough, you know, I just my intuition, so, you know, even me talking about it, is are going to go through ups and downs, but there's a lot more ups and the downs, and I don't have to be popular, I'm not looking to change the world. You know, as a whole, I'm just looking to change one person at a time. And that's it. And to me, that's how I'm gonna live my life. Right? I'm not looking to get make it in Forbes, or, you know, men's journal, or whatever it is, if those opportunities come because people are interested to hear my story. That's the intuitive path. But I'm not looking there for egotistical reasons to say, look at who I am, right. And if you get back to social media, right, with these people that, you know, somebody posted this two days ago, where they spent money on an influencer that had 8 million followers, 8 million followers, the number of sales that this person had after spending, I don't know, $50,000 was something like 26. Right. And I've heard that consistent. Somebody had, you know, 10 million followers, they wants to sell shirts, six sales. And it's because when you have that social media, when you're looking at eye candy, yeah, okay, maybe some of us are gonna stop at that eye candy, go, Wow, that's great. But you don't have a deepening deep enough a relationship with someone that are going, that's deep enough to say, you're consistent in your messaging. Like, even if you stop one on something, you see the charlatans on social media, I'm gonna make a million dollar, you can make million dollars or $1,000, or whatever it get 20,000, or whatever it is, you get this messaging, it may pause you saying, Yeah, I want that. And then when you dig a bit deeper, you find that there's some inconsistency is in either what they're saying, or who their clients are, or the testimonials because I do this research. Or, you know, maybe something's not right, something's not lining up. And if you, if there's something that's inconsistent, now you've lost that deepening relationship, like you really have to be consistent in that relationship, to deepen to a two way trusted, intuitive relationship, that my intuition saying you can be trusted your intuition saying, I can be trusted, when that's two way, now I'm ready to spend my money on you, or spend my time with you, or spend my effort with you. Because I trust you, and that trust has to be consistent. If your values change over time, my intuition is going to pick up on that. So you can be in the perfect relationships to start business or personal. But don't forget, we're two different people. I may be more in tune with your intuition you may not be and if you start screwing up somewhere down the road, don't forget my intuition, my relational intuition and situational intuition is constantly watching, right. And so when there's a dichotomy, my negative signals are going to send warning sign science to say, listen, maybe we should back off. Yeah, so

Ari Gronich 38:51  

so the song as you're talking comes to my head. Yeah, I'm gonna sing it even though I can't do it. Justice. You're too jaded. Yes, Aerosmith. jaded. Yep. Right. So okay, we have intuition we get jaded we get once intuition still jaded. Twice. Yep. intuition. Still jaded. Three, two, all of a sudden, how do you trust your intuition anymore if you're constantly becoming jaded. So I'll give you an example. I think that I am jaded when it comes to pretty much any digital marketer at this point in time. I think that the digital marketing world for the most part has become this fraudulent thing that you know purports on. Basically procedures versus results, just like the medical system. You know, the incentive is, if I post three times a day, then you pay me this amount, but if I post five, which doesn't take me any more time to do then it's a totally different amount and I don't care what your results are because I can't guarantee him, because you know, so I'm fully jaded when it comes to that world at this point.

Sunil Godse 40:07  

Yep. So I'll give you this is right up my alley, because this is something I've been looking at, you know, because that's part of the business model that I have, you know, there's a digital marketing element to it. So when I, and this has taken a number of years, because of the jadedness and the number of charlatans that are out there, and people that I trusted, that some of them have, you know, taken my money, because they were trusting at some point, but then you find out later that, you know, this is not so, so, so valuable, because I can get that free information anywhere else. Right. Some of the things that I've looked at is, uh, when they come up this I can do you know, Facebook, I'm a digital marketing expert. Okay, so what's their digital marketing footprint? So they're good in Facebook? What's your Instagram, say? What's their YouTube say? And I'll take a look at the numbers and some of the clients numbers, who they say and some cases when they have testimonials, I've actually looked at the people where the testing was coming from if I can, and some of them like, just Yeah, I don't see that success. I don't see this. And in one case, there was I had a podcast guest where he had some really excellent numbers on YouTube. And when the when the cameras are off, I asked him about his like, was she really someone who and why, right? If you spent money on someone for YouTube advice, why did you do that? And I'm looking and listening to what what he was saying, as his marketing speak, or does he really is really telling me the truth, because in the end, it's my money and my time. Another one I've seen again, what's what's up, I just had a really good example. Shoot, I wish I had anyways, it may come to me. But it's, again, it's the inconsistency in what they're saying versus what they're doing. Or it's one niche that they've really, really been been good at. It's not my niche, or they've been good in one area, they've had one hit with it, what's one homerun doesn't make them a great baseball player. And so I'm looking for those kind of consistencies, and in consistencies, because ultimately, you know, I want to put my my money where I want, where I'm going to get the best best bang for my buck. But that

Ari Gronich 42:14  

sounds a lot like assessing a situation and environment instead of assessing the into assessing the environment versus utilizing intuition. Right. So intuition, to me, is that inner voice, while what you're talking about is looking at the external evidence. And so that's where I'm where i i'd like to, so that what what I'm hearing you say is, you take the intuition, you match it with evidence before you make that decision, right? So so not sure if that's what you're saying, that's just what I'm hearing?

Sunil Godse 42:51  

Yeah, so so I'll always get the first instance of whether I trust this person or not. So the very, very first time I see an ad, or the very first time I see someone doing well, or I hear podcasts, interview somebody doing something, I'll try and get a sense of whether I believe that person or not, if I don't believe that person, right up start, then that person's lost me, I'm not even gonna dive in any more deeper. But for me to I need to believe that person. Remember, those are the four types of intuition. And so, so the first one is relational intuition, is going to be me trusting that person right away. And the second is situational is, if I find there, and I like a fancy beach and a car. Those kinds of things that are tried and true, are they using mantras that everybody said you should do that, like some people waving high to get your attention, and, you know, there's some real stupid things that are out there that are just that they're not deepening my relationship. So if they've got me enough that I see this person is genuine, and I'm gonna get a deep enough relationship with and I trust them? I'll take that. take the next step and say, Okay, let's see what experiential intuition has to do with this. Before I move on, and it that it takes it's very quick. it for me, it's, it's really, you know, if somebody comes up, I hear someone on the podcast, I will note their name down, I will quickly stop the podcast and I'll take a look. within one minute, I'll know whether I want to dive deeper into what this person is saying or not. Right? So 60 seconds, is what I give myself. And the research actually shows it takes seven seconds to trust someone. Seven seconds and other research was showing this is all the research that your intuition acts actually, at that time, seven to 10 seconds before you actually make a decision or take an action. neurology research that's coming up neuroscience research is coming up hasn't been published yet. That's as up to 23 seconds before you actually make a decision. So for me, I'm giving myself a bit of time to really confirm my intuitive, should I dive deeper or not? And it for me it's 60 seconds versus I think, rather than you know, A couple of days or four days, and if I if I don't get that within that 60 is gone. I don't care what that person is selling me later or if they get recommended by someone else, because that intuitive hit in my mind is really deep. And so that's why I really don't listen to a lot of them. I mean, there's so many pitches up there. Hmm.

Ari Gronich 45:20  

So I'm going to go into the animal kingdom for a second, because you mentioned the neurology. Yep. You know, we all know that a dog can kind of predict an earthquake a couple days in advance. Yeah. And we all know that we're animals, even though we try to pretend that we're not. Right. Yep. So is that a function of intuition? Or is that a function of sensory? If it's a function of sensory? How does somebody increase their sensory perception in order to increase their intuition? And if that is possible at all, and then I want to talk a little bit, I know that you and I talked in our pre interview about the the Native Americans. So I want to talk about the neurology and I want to I want to I want to get into the fMRI is what parts of the brain kind of light up when you're being intuitive? Is that a different part of the brain when the intuition is positive or negative? So let's get into kind of the weeds of that a little bit.

Sunil Godse 46:24  

Yeah, absolutely. So, so the when you're thinking about it, and I think that's a great example, with, with the dogs and all that, because animals are naturally a little bit more intuitive, they're a lot more, there's a heightened sensitivity to their environment. And so I think physiologically, they're much better than we are, or neurologically, they're much better than we are, they are better adept at sensing and triggering on that sensing, then we are, we seem to be more consumed with everything else around us, we've got a lot more things bombarding us that we seem to numb that initial sensing that the real intuitive signal saying something's wrong, and we have a tendency to keep moving, maybe it's curiosity, maybe we're just numb to the initial signals, whatever it is, we have this this innate ability to just keep moving on until we keep making bad decisions. And we seem to want to learn from failure a lot more. Whereas animals have that heightened sense, neurologically. And so they're able to be much more in tune with, with their intuition. And so we were talking on the pre interview as well, when I had this indigenous person join me on intuition, he was saying that what they used to do is look to the animals because the animals sense danger a couple of days before, they did, and at that time, you know, they didn't have cars and things like that they just had a couple of days warning that they had to pick up, you know, pack everything and move, because there was some kind of danger that was there. And they're not going to sit around saying what that sum is. They're just kind of move. And so it's very, very important for them to do that.

Ari Gronich 48:02  

Right. So we were talking on the pre interview about the Native Americans. Yeah. And how in Vietnam, during the war, may have even been Korea, I don't remember if if it was both, but they would have the Native Americans who joined the military, and were known for their tracking skills. But because it's the military, they would shave off their hair. Yeah. And when they would go into the jungle, they wouldn't be able to do the tracking, like they had been before. So as we're tracking the enemy, and we're trying to be the scouts, so to speak, not to put a defamatory, you know, title on anything, but Indian scouts would go out for the military and try to find the enemy and and so on. And they couldn't do it. But what they found when they studied that is that the only difference between them being able to track well and not track well was the length of their hair. And if they allowed them to grow back their hair, all of a sudden, they were able to track again. So the hair follicles attached to the nervous system we have these muscles called the erector pili which otherwise are known as goosebumps. And we have the sayings like the hair on the back of my head is standing up so we know that hair has a sensory perception on the environment. And what do we say if somebody is nervous? If somebody's nervous like my hair standing up, get the aren't your you know those goosebumps on your arm you get the chills right these are signals to into Are they not?

Sunil Godse 50:01  

Yes they are. And so when we got off the phone, I immediately went to my wife and I told her about that story because and my daughter's I just absolutely fascinating. But here's where where people may want to try and understand what intuition is like from a scientific perspective. We all know that everything is consists of energy. Yeah, right. And so we've got, you know, atoms and protons, neurons moving around. And they, they develop some kind of energy and Kerwin Ray explained intuition in back in 2007, using sort of energetic type of things. And we all know that even any material, there's, there's its mass and energy. And so when you have here that's a little longer, you've got a lot more energy around you, that affects you, that's able to pick up on things that are able to sense things. And so there's also another famous experiment that one of the neurologists did I forget his name now, but he had people who had their limbs cut off and use things of mirror neurons, the front to see them in a mirror, where they can actually now see the other limb, although it's not there, and feel, okay. So these things called mirror neurons are sending some kind of energy so that it's just giving, it's settling their systems down. And so another question I used to ask myself to some of my podcast guests, is, were you ever connected to someone where you knew something had gone wrong? And so when Nick Bradley was on saying, Yeah, he knew his dog got shot, and he was nowhere close, someone had his newest father had cancer, someone knew that they, you know, somebody fell in a pool, and they're halfway around the world. So if you look at equating this to some kind of an emotional connection, energetically between now the mirror neurons, that other person that's carried in some kind of memory in your brain, so that you're not physically there. But you're energetically connected at a very fast pace, irrespective of the distance. And so if you're, if you allow yourself to open your mind to that, then a lot of these things can be explained.

Ari Gronich 52:03  

So how can we energetically then connect to the collective unconscious and the collective consciousness? And I know, this is a thing like with twins, they always know what's going on with their other half. You know, those kinds of things. But we also know that some kid woke up one day and remembered that he was, you know, in the 1940s War, and he knew exactly who he fought in the war with. Yep. And they were still alive. And then he met them like this. I remember reading this story is Wow, really fascinating. This kid, you know, has basically past life is like many lives, many masters great book, by the way. You know, you have these this past life, he's actually telling the soldiers who are now in their 80s, and he's a young kid, about their experiences that he had with them during the war. Wow. And so that energetic connection we call it that this is their old life that they're energetically connected to one of my favorite movies is a movie called dead again, it's got Robin Williams Kenneth Branagh, and it's about people who die in in a previous life and find each other in the next in their next life, but they meet somebody else who was alive in their in both lives. So it's a theme, I guess, that I'm always interested in intrigued by. But that collective conscious collective unconscious, that energetic pull that we have. The question is, why can't we seem to get that intuition more developed? I guess, after these many 1000s of years, being that we're so connected by wires this these days, right, and wireless, and then where is it that in the neurons where's it in the brain in those connections that we light up? You know, with intuition, I mean, yeah,

Sunil Godse 54:25  

absolutely. So from a neurological perspective, the big thing is the amygdala, and and just above the amygdala on the on both sides of the brain. And I can always share with you a, an MRI that I have, if you want to use it for your purses, but where they mapped intuition, but the big one comes up into Mickey less when they neurons come up the amygdala is the first thing that's where you kind of feel it's the first fight or flight. Everything happens from there, and then it branches off from there. So that's one of the main new areas where intuition really lights up and a couple of things in that

Ari Gronich 54:56  

frontal that's really the reptilian side.

Sunil Godse 54:58  

Exactly, exactly. The reptilian That's, that's the first sort of point of contact, if you will. And you write with the, you know, with this where things are passed down. I actually did interview a Buddhist monk, and Bunty Serna. Bala had had believed that intuition gets passed down from generation to generation. Because it's energy. And I think the reason why we don't is you've kind of set it, we're in this wireless wired world, we've got societal norms, we're always trying to keep up with the Joneses. And we just haven't spent that time with ourselves. And a lot of intuitive moments have come from those just, you know, going to India, or being with themselves. And going to India is more symbolic of just really getting in touch with themselves. I mean, Steve Jobs did it. I interviewed this Johannes Linstead, he was a major jazz players won tons of awards, intuition just drives his music. And he's got millions of downloads, and you know, everything changed after he went to India, right. And this is Beatles to the Beatles, or Beatles. Absolutely. And, and so that India's is symbolic of you just spending that time with yourself. And if you look at even the research in epigenetics, where you're looking at things that are passed down from one generation to another, there's a very famous study where they took mice, and what it is when this, this mice came to this, this type of flower, at cherry blossom flower that has some kind of almond smell, it was very, very particular, they would shock the feet of these mice to the point where they didn't need to shock the feet anymore, that they just came up to that flower, and they just jolted. And it turns out, that the next generation, they didn't have to do anything every time that their the the the babies went to this same flower, they jolted right. So there's that line of epigenetic, same, okay, we have some things in our genes that we've been conditioned to, in this lifetime, that we're going to pass on to the next generation. We just don't know what that is, or what that map is. I'm sure everybody would love to do that. Because then we kind of act like robots say that I'm doing this for my son or daughter. But there's some evidence there that that you can correlate to say that yes, you know, intuition does get passed down. And but it, it all depends on how you're going to be affected. Like I can pass down my intuitive abilities to my kids. But it depends on what their influences are. They're in school eight hours a while now they're at home. They've got other friends, they've got other influences. How do they as an individual react to all those other influences, even though I've given them this gift of intuition, however minor or major, they've taken it. And it's really up to them as an individual as to how they manage that, how much they fail and figure out they got to come back to intuition. I mean, I'm lucky that I'm able to talk to this talk about this to my two daughters. But, I mean, how rare is that, right? I mean, nobody talked to me about intuition. And I had an intuitive hit at five years old. When I was five, my dad had video games that were too expensive. And this voice told me, that's not what you want to go up here. And you need to go door to door to raise money. And that's what I did. I took my little brother until I went door to door I raised 200 bucks. $100 went to my dad $100 went to charity, I couldn't sat down a sit down for about probably about 15 or 20 minutes after that, because my dad didn't believe in, in, you know, bothering people. But I so distinctly remember that voice, loud and clear. I remember what I'm looking at where I was, where my house was, it is so vivid, and five years old. Right? You had seven, right?

Ari Gronich 58:34  

Yeah, I look at that and I go What is the cost and this is directed towards the audience. And by the way, you know, all of these shows that we do are for you listening, so that you really can get these techniques and tips and tricks so that you can spend your life living the passionate life that you want activating your vision. So I just wanted to repeat that you know, for anybody to like subscribe rate review, but mostly to comment on on the shows so that we can actually have a dialogue and conversation about what we're talking about. So back to that so what it sounds like to me when you're saying that is that intuition beyond just the the training beyond the genetics, can be learned. What can be taught can be you know, focused on but what it is that I'm hearing is I'm hearing in my head, but I have to look at all my emails but I have to you know, check my social media and my Instagram but I have to watch the latest show of this but I have to have in mind you I don't have a TV so this is not in my right you know, realm but this is the The argument that I'm hearing from the masses, right? Yep, yep. And that's why I bring it up to the audience. But the argument I hear from the masses are but but but but I have to do doo doo doo, doo. Now I, I've been a sweat lodge goer and vision Questor and things like that. And so I've spent a lot of time with myself. I've been divorced. And I spent a lot of time with myself and Amir wailing and crying for hours and hours and hours, right, I've spent a lot of time on myself. And I still don't know who I am, you know, and who I want to be when I grow up, I know I want to have a cool impact on the world, I don't really care if I have the credit for it, I just want to see it done. Right. My goal is we need to get some shit done. And it's time for us to really move on that and create it today, you know, create our new tomorrow today, and activate our vision now for a better world. And so I've got that this passion about doing more, I don't care about the credit. I know, I remember, you know, earlier in the conversation, you were talking about that. But for the audience, you know, like spending time alone. So one of the things that my my shaman told me, during a sweat lodge one time is his, he said 18 seconds of pure meditation is equivalent to an entire week of work. Wow. And this was from a Zen monk that used to go to the sweat lodge. And he would say that he would get into a deeper state of meditation in the sweat lodge than he would just by trying to meditate, according to Hoyle, so to speak, just be you know, you're in a dark room, and you really don't have anything you can look at or see or focus on other than the those hot stones in the steam and the heat. But I'm 18 seconds of pure thought, equivalent to one full week of work. And I think that if people understood how important that hour of meditation and planning before and at the end of your day, you know, half hour before half hour at the end, whatever, whatever it is time wise, that little bit of time to meditate on what your day is going to be to ask the question my friend, Keith, he's a journalist, book, author, publisher. I mean, he's awesome. His latest book is about the angels and walking, it's called walking with angels. And one of the things that he's done, and this has been probably 1520 years that I've known him, he's done this all the time is he'll start off his day. And he'll just ask a question, what do I do next to move me forward? In the best way the fastest? What's my next step? And then he doesn't do anything. But wait, and listen.

And he's been a very successful publisher, who's, you know, published over 300 plus books, 400 books, he's, you know, friends with all the people that other people would want to be friends with. Right? Yep. But he doesn't care about that. It was what do I do today to move me forward? The best way that I can? And so I look at that and go, Okay, how do we get? And I know I I'm definitely a person who's, uh, should I should on people, and how do I get people to write? But how do we get people to realize how powerful taking that extra time from doing and into being and asking how important that is? And then the listening, so I just wanted to, I know

Sunil Godse 1:04:26  

I rambled for a little bit, I don't, no problem. So So I found that there's four groups of people that, that that fall into this, if we're looking at trusting intuition, there's going to be the very minor that get it they get the intuitive signals. More often they're they're making your decisions and intuition like Keith, and I was surprised even yourself, you're at a higher level of trusting intuition than others. So that's the that's the first group. The second group is one that show me proof that it happens and unless They have the proof that they will even move forward. And so once they have enough, sort of the whole reason for my second book gut was to Okay, here's a memorize, to show that it's just my opinion. But here's some memorize. And then here's some people I've interviewed, because this is what they've also experienced. And so that was the whole reason, a premise of gut is to prove to those people that the third group I find are those that you know, just they just don't understand intuition like they get the feelings, but they don't understand what it is. And a really good example is a friend of mine who is john Ross, child, Chairman and CEO of of Kara foods limited at the time I interviewed him, but four years now, four and a half years back, he was my first first interview, interviewee with intuition ology. He just said, Listen, you know, see, I don't, I don't understand what you're doing intuition. Fine. You know, I'll give you an hour. But we'll talk about intuition. Five minutes in there, maybe we'll have a laptop for the rest of the time, I'd catch up. And so he at that time, a lot of the research was sort of spiritual natured cosmic and and that's fine. If that's what you think intuition is? Absolutely. I'm not here to shove any definition down how you think intuition feels or where it comes from. That's not my goal. for him. He is an investment banker. And so data, Excel spreadsheets modeling, ruled his world, I mean, that paid him three to $4 million a year. So he's not going to think oh, I omens and all that. And he actually says in the video, you can hear so yeah, almonds, I really would like to shake the guy had guy's hand has that intuition. Yeah, doesn't really come into decisions. That's at the start of the interview. Now, I'm starting to slowly educate him that about the four types of intuition. And that it is based on data. And in some cases, you make decisions that you feel that go against the data. And he goes, Oh, I have an IQ. I have an example of that. So he's filling the blanks with all these stories of his, and he's almost self educating himself, on intuition. And, and so when he went against the data, he opened a franchise, which in a five and a half location where he would never touch it, unless it was a nine, that franchise location ended up being one of the best in their restaurant portfolio ever, in their 20 year history. And it's very, very last one hour in, and I said, Okay, whenever you made a really obtuse decision that people thought you were nuts, this is that creative intuition piece. And he says, oh, I've got a story for you. So this is a guy making three to $4 million a year private jets, high end restaurants, limousines, and he trades it all off, because his intuition says, here's a bankrupt of the restaurant, this is your purpose. And I'm sure his friends were, you know, on the speed dial with some psychiatrists saying, I have a client for you, you know, because people thought he was nuts. And he said, No, I quit. And I walked in to that restaurant. That tiny bankrupt little restaurant was Eastside, Mario's location number one. And that grew, he grew that over 20 years to a $2 billion franchise operation with the acquisition and all based on an intuitive decision. And the fourth group are unfortunately, those people that have to hit rock bottom, before they actually find out that intuition is actually speaking them signals. And I've heard this time and time and time again. And perhaps again, one of my earlier interviews was someone who don't know intuition. Not sure. I'm not I don't want to be on camera. And so I said, Okay, listen, let's get on camera. Don't worry, we'll film crew, we'll make it conversational. And the question then starts coming. I said, When? When did you? When did intuition impact your life? And she looked right at me and she goes, Well, the moment I trusted intuition was because I ignored it, which got me sexually assaulted.

That was the very first statement and the next 45 minutes, we all go down the different four types of intuition where what we're all we're all the signals, whereas the situational intuition, where it's relational intuition, and of course, we didn't say it in those formal terms, but all the evidence was there. And the time and time again, once the evidence was presented, I should have I shouldn't have kept coming. And she just kept walking and walking and walking, because she felt you need to be a good friend. Other people were saying she should be there, all these external things, and she wasn't listening to it. She was telling me I knew I knew I knew all these different details. She knew she should have moved away. And this is a bodybuilder, right? She was she was competing, yet this guy was still able to overpower and this alter. So you know, those are the four groups.

Ari Gronich 1:09:30  

Yeah, you know, I have unfortunately, and fortunately, because of my background have having been sexually assaulted. And, you know, from age three, into my teens, multiple people multiple ways multiple times. One of my focuses was working with PTSD and emotional release and trauma work and I've had the blessing of working with a lot of women. And a couple Men, not not very many men, but a lot of women on that issue, you know, and it's funny because this is a very controversial way of doing the work, I kind of combine Tantra and deep emotional release and breathwork with psychedelics, so mushroom or something of the sort, just to get the brain out of the way. But you know, the issues are in the tissues and somatic trauma needs somatic therapy. Right. But what I've found is that in every case, there was some kind of intuition that they looked back on, if they were old enough to have have a memory of that kind of thing. There was an intuition that they ignored. Like you were saying, Yeah, it was an intuition that was ignored. That said, This is not right. But somehow, they ignored that intuition. And the event happened. Almost every single person that I've worked on that way. So the question then becomes, and and I would, I could talk to you for another 10 hours. So I'm, you know, I'm just saying, but what are the ways that somebody can improve their intuition, follow their intuition. I know for me, and I'll just kind of go back to a quick story when I was in school, for being a therapist, and healer and all that. I used to have like a Twitch, it would go like this, my eye, the muscle under my eye would Twitch. Okay. And so I couldn't get the muscle to stop twitching. And it was annoying. So I thought about it, and I and all of a sudden, I said, Okay, somebody is trying to get my attention, something is trying to get my attention. It's a signal. And so I imagined that a fish hook was on my eye muscle basically twitching it going, hello, hello, I'm trying to get your attention, right. Or, I had tinnitus. And so my ear would start like this high pitched Bell tone. And all of a sudden, I thought, okay, maybe somebody is trying to tell me something, and I'll have to translate it later. But if I stop when I hear that noise in my ear, and I just close my eyes, and listen, I figure I'll translate it later. But I, and all of a sudden, it may be last a minute or half a minute or some and then it goes away, and it's gone. But I consider those things to be intuition or some outside force trying to get my attention and inform me of something that I need to stop. So that's one of my ways. Get let's let's get into some tips, tricks, you know, techniques that people can actually do in order to build their intuition today.

Sunil Godse 1:13:21  

Absolutely. Okay. So this is a perfect segue into so the seven day challenge, and you can always take that it's free up my website. So in the seven day challenge, this is what happens. And so you have the website, yep. It's intuition ology, calm, you'll see if you get the free ebook, it'll drive you to the seven day challenge, just because what the whole point is, it's great that you have the E book that talks about intuition, I want you to actually get you to solve a problem, even before anything else happens with you and me like and that's the template you take for any decision. If you get the E book, take the seven day challenge. And you just use that templates. It's a downloadable PDF. You're done. And then you're you've got that process. And I actually have two case studies of people who go through every single day with the decisions that they've done. JOHN Harris goes through it and he was actually selling his house. He took the seven days to look at, okay, I'm going to sell my house. I'm studying the seven day challenge and he went from a minus $20,000. He was actually going to say yes to a loss of $20,000. By the seventh day, he said yes to a $50,000 over asking. So you actually made a $70,000 decision in those seven days. The other person is actually Michelle. She was actually victim to a homicide. She walked into her boyfriend's apartment he had killed someone locked the doors behind him.

Put a knife to her back said your next. Her intuition told her to remain calm. She was assaulted. She was choked. She was asked to clean up the blood. She saw the body in the bathtub. horrific stuff happened to her. Her intuition kept her alive. She got the moment to run out and go down 18 flights of stairs and call 911 she was dealing with A lot of PTSD, depression and anxiety. So she started the seven day challenge to say, Okay, how do I start reducing this? It's not good curate this, let me reduce it using intuition. So basically, the steps are here, you start with an issue or problem that you have, and you identify it. And what you do is you look back on what didn't work. And when you look at what on those, those decisions that you went back to look at that didn't work. It's what did you feel in that moment? Now you're what you're doing is you're getting those inventory of negative signals? Because you didn't it didn't work, right. And so you want to keep thinking about that as much as you can. If you get a, let's say, a voice. Was there a signal before that? Was there a decision that you made before that that led you to that decision, and you want to keep going as back as you can, for as long as you need to? To do that. The next thing you do is you put yourself into what I call an intuitive medium. So a sweat lodge is good. Meditation is good. I often think in the shower or just before going to bed, what what is the activity you're doing? Or the environment, you can put yourself in, that you can sit and think clearly about what solution is to the decision. And when you have that, then what you're going to do is now you're going to be open to your positive intuitive signals and the negative ones, and start thinking about what are the some of the things that you need to do to move forward. And so now you start developing your positive signals, because you're not hampered by the negative ones. And there could be some negative ones that come up in their environment as well. So you need to add that to their inventory. Right. Next, you want to take a look at your environment. We talked about this earlier, what do you need to change in your environment? Do you need to move? Do you need to move away from technology? Do you have to do less TV? What is it about your environment? And you? I mean, this is something that you need to understand for that problem? What do you need to change, that's going to help you solve that problem. The next step is the people around you for that problem. So of the people in your circle, how many are going to help you for that problem directly that you can intuitively trust is going to support you through that problem and give you the right information that you trust. Now, it doesn't necessarily have to be your best friend, if that best friend who you trust anyways, is not related to that problem. It's just the group of people that you can put yourself in that you really trust. And I go through four different groups in that seven day challenge of where you can put people in, then you plan Okay, what are the next steps? So now that I've got positive negative signals? What are my positive signals that are telling me, okay, do I take that if I take the step, what are my signals, it's a positive signal, I'm going to write that step down. And I'm going to keep doing that until I get enough steps that I can. And then the last is take action. And that's when you actually take Okay, of those seven or 10 steps, which are the easiest to do. Because it's the first one easiest, not in terms of effort, easy in that this is the first one I know is the first one I need to do. Because there's a there's a sort of a chain that that high priority, the priority, right. And then in that seven day challenge, what I do is at the start day one, you actually measure your intuition based on, there's a strength that you get based on some questions. So it's an intuitive quiz, you take the seven, you take the intuitive quiz again, and 100% of the time of the people have gone through that there's over 50,000 people now who've gone through and more than that, who've gone through this, this, this challenge of this, this way of dealing with their problems 100% of the time, just in seven days, their intuition has strengthened and it's because you're you're actually giving time, for a few minutes a day to solve that problem. you're you're you're you're not focused on social media, you're not focused, because I've got I've got a worksheet that you're working on, you're in the moment of focusing on that problem where you should be. And the more you are, the stronger your intuition gets. And then you just use that template for every other problem. In whatever situation you are in life, right? If it's personal professional, that same same procedure works every single time. And it's very simple. These are your signals, these are your environments, these are your the people around you, this is fully customizable to your problem. It has nothing to do with me or some proprietary processes, some academic paper, this is your this is what works. And it's very simple. And so that's that's what I would suggest people do.

Ari Gronich 1:19:26  

Awesome. Thank you so much for for being here for you know, exploring all of this madness and, and intuition. I mean, you know, I know that I tend to take people on on awkward journeys through information nonlinearly and and ask questions that I think most interviewers you know, don't really ask as often but I like to get down deep and dirty. You know, like, I really want, what I want for this show for, for people in general is for them to be able to take these, these episodes and act upon the things that are in them so that they can change the world. That's my purpose. And, and I'm, I'm blessed, you know, to be able to interview people like you that have unusual, you know, jobs, unusual ways of going about what you're doing, and have so much success that you can easily explain and entertain at the same time. And so, I think that people are really getting a lot out of this. My last question to you is really about the nature of people, and how the nature of people changes the ability to use their intuition. And what I mean by that is, people tend human beings tend to have faith based on fear. So if you ever listen to anybody who's who asks, If you believe it's, are you fearful of God, if you want to be successful, you have to be, you know, fearful of God, not in love with God, not, you know, like, enamored by the information in the word, right, but fearful of the consequences. Versus, you know, looking towards the benefits. So we have this, this dichotomy is people. And so the question becomes faith versus intuition, right. And the nature of people, how do we develop? And this is, it's a, it's a hard question you may not have, but how do we develop the intuition that goes along with the compassion that goes along with the wish to do no harm, to have peace, to create a world for everybody that is successful and happy? You know, I get that we need the contrast. Right. But we've contracted so far over to one side, that, you know, I want to I want to do everything I can to bring it back to that side of love and peace, you know, even if it's a pipe dream. So

Sunil Godse 1:22:50  

how do you Yeah, and the way I can answer this is just sort of, through my lens, so to speak. And so the way I because I get bombarded with a lot of these messages. And we can, we can just really extrapolate that to a lot of the messages that you get out, but ultimately, what it what are you affected by, right. And so when I get these messages of fear, or fear based things, or people giving advice or circumstances that are happening, I'm in the driver's seat. So I control the ability to react to that in whatever way I want. And so it's like a shield like a, you know, I've got one of these shields, and you come in, and it just bounces off interesting. You've got my attention, or you might not have, but ultimately, the things that drive me are the ones that are going to really, again, it just I get that pull that I know this is the right thing. And I'll give you a very, very good example. Because it just happened a couple of weeks ago, I was watching this really great video from Prince EA. And really, it was really inspirational. And the messaging was really good. And I just happen to go through and he gets tons of comments. But what I noticed that that comments was, there was some of them saying, I need to talk to someone. And so my intuition drew me to say, Listen, you need to reach out to this guy. It was just one of, I don't know, 3000 comments that were there. But somehow I focused on that one. And I reached out and I said, Hey, listen, DM me, and here's my number. Give me a call. Now, it could be a salesperson, or you know, you don't know. But there was a guy that was four months behind in his payments, child support payments, he tried every single job he can, and he was at wit's end. And he was about to really he led his life go, he really was at that stage. And he was it was just the depths of despair. And so within half an hour, we had this talk about Okay, what are you passionate about? This is a 2020 year veteran of welding, work at gas stations, retail outlets, and it turns out very quickly that he has a passion for fishing. He somehow wants to dabble in digital marketing, and he wants to be something for his daughter. And he's got a phone and like, oh, bingo. Well, there are some dots that connect. Okay, so he and he himself says now there's a lot of people doing fishing wrong and I mean, the story is just right. They're, I mean, just connect the dots, you got digital media, you got fishing videos, you can do what people are doing wrong, you can make money by using affiliate on selling lures or fishing tackle, and I'm not in the fishing space. So I'm just riffing based on what I think is there. And so you need to create content that people are not only going to be interested in saying, you know, you can catch a bigger fish in this area, but you can catch a bigger fish in this area, and I tested these two lures, you need the orange one, and by the way, it's 1999. And then you become an affiliate member, right? Or you do a membership on you know, if you have that confidence, but it has to be believable. And I told them intuition is a two way street. If your blessing, you know, people may see it's, it's really good, or you're not giving enough information where you're actually selling something genuinely. And because you believe it, then you're going to get people saying, Yeah, that's great tip. See later, right. So within 30 minutes, we had mapped out a plan. And the excitement in this guy's voice was amazing. And I told him, I'm going to be checking up on you in about a month or two to make sure that you actually follow through on what we just discussed. Right? So here was something the story doesn't necessarily have to be that cathartic. The issue is something pulled me there. Something that that moment of time that I gave gave gave me the focus there, I'm there's other videos that say Yeah, well, that's a great message, I don't believe you, I'm gone. And it's it's that ability to really be in the moment, allow things through this filter into the filter, so to speak, that's actually going to help you move your life forward, that's actually going to take those steps that you know, need to be taken forward. And believing that the information you get the people you trust, the situations you put yourself in, move you that that way forward. And it happens in a split second. So that's why it's so important to know what those intuitive signals are that move you that way. Remember that for me it was that pulling whatever happened after that pulling was meant to happen, because I trust my intuition to do that. And thankfully, this affected this, this this man, but these are laggard indicators that we look at the money, the happiness, the changing of people, in your case athletes, affecting people. Those are laggard indicators that happen when we use leading indicators, like actually just taking action taking the steps. So we should never focus on the laggard indicators. We focus on taking the steps and every single step you take. Remember that guy who has cerebral palsy, you just don't know realize how far you've come until you look back later. But look back later. Right.

Ari Gronich 1:27:30  

Well, thank you so much. How can people get ahold of you?

Sunil Godse 1:27:34  

Is intuitionist.com is there my email address is Sunil at sunil godse.com I'm on all the socials LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, I'm making a move on tik tok. So trying that instance I'm not doing any crazy dances but I will be well I did with my daughters because they wanted me to do one. But I gotta be careful. Not gonna

Ari Gronich 1:27:53  

weapon and naini

Sunil Godse 1:27:55  

No, I think that would be where my shake. That's where people go. My followers will go down for sure.

Ari Gronich 1:28:03  

Oh, come on. You can harlem shake it? Wait, I must be old that was that was many years ago. The harlem shake. What's the newest one? flash mob? No, we're not doing flash.

Sunil Godse 1:28:15  

I did try my my thing at breakdancing way back when so you know I had the cardboard and a helmet and I had a buddy of mine and

Ari Gronich 1:28:22  

you have the cardboard and helmet Did you have the parachute pants? I had the parachute pants.

Sunil Godse 1:28:27  

You know I couldn't at that time couldn't afford it. But you know as much as you know, I think we just want to in the basement first if we if we could do the worm. We did and luckily I had my helmet because that worm got me into a wall and this worm a turning into a butterfly soon that's for sure.

Ari Gronich 1:28:53  

Stop hammertime

Sunil Godse 1:28:56  

But yeah, so I need the socials email me DM me. I'm happy to answer any questions and yeah, take the seven day challenge. I mean, it's free and and find out how intuition can solve your problem. And now you got a template for life. So you know have a go at her.

Ari Gronich 1:29:08  

Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for for being here. sunil. Remember, you can always find us add create a new tomorrow calm or achieve health usa.com. Remember to check out the book a new tomorrow.com it's on Amazon as well as on the website. So you can take a look at that. And like subscribe rate review, comment below. Let's have a discussion. Let's talk about this. Let's figure out stuff that will help us all move forward together. Thank you so much to sunil. This has been another great episode with Ari Gronich and Sunil Godse. Let's experience creating a new tomorrow today and activating our vision for a better world. Have a good day. great rest of your day. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I Repeat all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world, go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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So you have to be the one to first of all, be in touch with your intuition and recognize that these these intuitive signals, recognize that some of us have gone down societal norms, and it didn't turn out, recognize that the people around us may not be the best that that are there. And so when there's a seven step process that I go through, that takes you from basically taking a problem and solving it using your intuition. And two of them are really kind of cleaning up the people around you, and cleaning up the environment you're in. I mean, those are two of the things so you really have to take a hard look at who are those that around you that are you know, giving you feedback, and it doesn't mean you have to take a hard, hard lesson and cut everybody out. There's gonna be levels of people that you want in the inner circle and the outer circle just to keep it very simple.

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich. Remember to Like, Subscribe rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that matter and help you create a new tomorrow today. I've got with me today, Richard Flint. He is a 30 plus year veteran of the lecturing circuits. He is the author of over 19 books, and has great ability to adapt, adjust, align, and these changing times he just opened up a learning center this last week. So Richard, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to be who you are? And why, why are these people listening to you?

Richard Flint 0:56  

All right. We live in we live in interesting times right now, where people are being challenged at a level that they've never been challenged to before. And if you had asked me 30 plus years ago, what I would be doing with my life today, I probably have told you that I would be teaching at some University. And with my education, I did my undergraduate work in English and speech, I have a master's in ethics. And then I have PhDs in philosophy and psychology. When I finished graduate school, I went and taught at Ohio University for a couple of years and then moved to Wayne State University in Detroit, and left there and went to the stamper First Baptist Church in West Palm Beach, Florida, very large church, where I ran the counseling division for them. Church had some internal struggles, I left there and ran a private Counseling Center in the palm beaches for several years. And already while I was doing that, I wrote some magazine articles, I got some international attention. And I started getting groups of women that would ask me, would you come share your philosophies with this because I'm known for my philosophies. And I did that on a limited basis for a year and a half. And then I woke up one morning and realized this was a once in a lifetime opportunity. And that was 32 years ago. And for the past 32 years, I have traveled this globe. sharing my philosophies, my thoughts, my ideas, my processes, with people, if I've been given one gift in life, is the ability to take what looks confusing to you, and show you the simple process to get to the other side of it.

Ari Gronich 2:45  

Yeah, you know, I have these conversations a lot with my with my seven year old, it's kind of interesting about choices and about what we choose to do, and the results that come from it. You know, you mentioned we're in changing and interesting times, I think that pretty much every time period is interesting times to the people who live in them. I've always said that Mad Men are, you know, your geniuses are mad men to the societies they live in. It takes generations before they get recognized as the geniuses that they are. And, and so it's interesting, I don't feel like we live in, in changing an interesting times. I feel like it's an extension of what we've already created. And, and, you know, my philosophy, as you say is that we made this shit up and we can do better. Everything we see is a figment of our imagination, we created it in our mind. And what I'm hearing you say is that we can easily readily use that imagination and use our mind to shift our perspectives and adapt and change and adjust to the world that we see in front of us.

Richard Flint 4:11  

Well, you and I every day the choices that we make, are based on which which direction we choose to live, we the live from our emotions up our mind down. And if I live from my emotions up, then I I sort of limit my ability to think because from my emotions up, I'm going to react because from my emotions up, the foundation of my life is is about me doubting, worrying and feeling uncertain. And when I have those three as the foundation of my living process, then I'm going to react to everything that happens.

Ari Gronich 4:51  

So let's let's like unpack this a little bit because I think a lot of people would say that Living in your mind is basically living in a figment of your imagination of what's not reality. And your emotions are what tell you, you know what the truth is. So whether you're passionate about something or whether you're angry about something, it tells you kind of the path of your resistance versus your mind, which may logically have all the numbers in place. But there's something not right. And if you don't listen to that, other than you can get lost. So let's unpack this so that people know what we're kind of talking about what you're talking about, so that there's more clarity to that and how to implement that into somebody's life.

Richard Flint 5:53  

My mind is a sketchpad. And my mind, everything that I am created with my life began as a thought that I began to process and I have sketched it out. I'm a collector of hand carved wooden ducks. And several years ago, I was in Big Bear California doing a program. And the lady who had brought me in to speak to her company says, I'm going to take you over and show you something. So she took me over to a carving studio of a gentleman that that's what he did, he carved hand carved wooden ducks. So we were talking, he said, I want to show you something. So he took me into his studio, and on the table was a block of wood. He said, What are you looking at, and I said, I'm looking at a block of wood. He says, I'm looking at a duck. I said, I'll buy it. Because if we lose our imagination, then we lose our ability to see forward. But if I'm strong mentally, I can work through the emotions.

Ari Gronich 7:00  

That's interesting. And I like what you're saying, because obviously, this show is called create a new tomorrow. And in order to do that, you have to leave yesterday behind, I do have a firm belief that you have to learn from yesterday in order to properly leave it behind. However, you know, that's kind of the idea. So let's, let's break apart. Today is not yesterday, this sentence that that you placed in here, today is not yesterday, and we must be willing to do what needs to be done to prepare. So let's break apart that sentence into actionable things that somebody can actually do rather than just the concept. Okay?

Richard Flint 7:47  

First thing is my definition of yesterday, yesterday is a reference library, not a room to live. Can you and I airy, we've both known people who have chosen to live in yesterday, because of their their fear and the from, from the day I was born to the day I die, I'm going to battle six fears. And one of these six is going to be my number one fear. And if I don't control my fear, then I become a hostage to yesterday, there is no fear in today until I bring it out of yesterday. You know, you've got the fear of the unknown, which is rampid. Today. I mean, the people I'm talking to, they just they're they're challenged because they're used to having this routine of their life. And they're used to being able to control their life, but all of a sudden, that's sort of been removed from them. So if I take that away, then they're looking at an unknown. And there's fear in that. There's the fear of abandonment, that I'll be left. There's the fear of rejection, that people aren't gonna like me, the fear of failure, which is huge. The fear of loss, which is all about price tag you're willing to pay. And then there's the fear of success, which to me is the number one fear with young people today,

Ari Gronich 9:08  

when you're talking about leaving yesterday behind, but using it as a reference library. How many people you know, and I know that we'll get an emotional trigger from a story, right? So they'll read a book fiction, we'll call it a fictional book. They'll read a fictional book. It'll evoke their emotions, they'll feel angry, they'll feel sad, they'll feel loved, they'll feel feel all kinds of feelings, right, from listening to that story. So the question becomes how do you turn a reference library into something other than a place to go have a pity party?

Richard Flint 9:51  

Well, it a lot of that depends on what I'm looking for. You know, I, I read a book The other day, and it was it was an emotional book. And I found myself on emotion with emotions. And when I finished the book, The question I asked myself is, what triggered these emotions? And what triggered the emotions and there was the story that reminded me of my childhood, which opened up a world of feelings. And the way that I was handled that is I've already worked through those emotions. Most people, except yesterday, they don't challenge yesterday. And if you never challenge yesterday, then it's difficult to learn from yesterday.

Ari Gronich 10:44  

That was really fascinating. And and I appreciate that. We're talking about working from mental down mind down, that doesn't necessarily, you know, mean, that you're not utilizing your emotions. Correct. Right. And so if you're not necessarily utilizing them as a hindrance, you're using them as a tool, how do you begin using the emotions that typically would be to tear down to build up? So things like anger and frustration and rage and all those things? How do you use those to your benefit versus your destruction?

Richard Flint 11:38  

Oh, you got to know where those emotions are coming from. Most of the emotions that the emotions that you were experienced in the day are coming from some experience from your yesterday that you've never dealt with. I believe that anything you don't complete in life has continuation. And when I was in the world of doing counseling, you know, people would come to me and they would be, they would be angry. And but they didn't understand where their anger was coming from. So what we did, we would have to find the beginning point of that anger, they never dealt with it. And if you don't deal with negative emotions, all you do is increase their power in your life. And once we can find and locate where that anger is coming from, then we can work there

Ari Gronich 12:32  

is are your programs going to be evergreen? Are you turning them into evergreen programs? And the reason I asked that is, I don't know exactly when your episode is going to air. And so I just want to make sure that the information is either going to be retroactively you know, available for them if if it's evergreen or not. I just want to make sure that they have the option of finding that so are you going to turn that into an available recording?

Richard Flint 13:04  

Yes, we record everything we do will be there. Okay. Awesome.

Ari Gronich 13:10  

That way in case you know, this is after January. We we don't losing anybody, you know. We don't want to lose anybody in translation. So

Richard Flint 13:24  

if they've got a Richard Flint, calm, everything they need to know about me is right there.

Ari Gronich 13:29  

Awesome. Very nice. Thank you so much for being here. Richard. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich, and we will create a new tomorrow today every day and activate our vision for a better world. Please do remember to LIKE subscribe, rate, review comment so that we can start conversations that matter and help you to create your new tomorrow today.

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari, Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host Ari Gronich. Remember to like subscribe rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that matter and help you create a new tomorrow today. I've got with me today, Richard Flint. He is a 30 plus year veteran of the lecturing circuits. He is the author of over 19 books, and has great ability to adapt, adjust, align, and these changing times he just opened up a learning center this last week. So Richard, why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself how you got to be who you are? And why. Why are these people listening to you?

Richard Flint 1:04  

Alright, we live in we live in interesting times right now, where people are being challenged at a level that they've never been challenged before. And if you had asked me 30 plus years ago, what I would be doing with my life today, I'd probably have told you that I would be teaching at some University. And with my education, I did my undergraduate work in English and speech, I have a master's in ethics. And then I have PhDs in philosophy and psychology. When I finished graduate school, I went and taught at Ohio University for a couple of years and then moved to Wayne State University in Detroit, and left there and went to the staffer First Baptist Church in West Palm Beach, Florida, very large church, where I ran the counseling division for them. Church had some internal struggles, I left there and ran a private Counseling Center in the palm beaches for several years. And I read while I was doing that, I wrote some magazine articles, I got some international attention. And I started getting groups of women that would ask me, would you come share your philosophies with this, because I'm known for my philosophies. And I did that on a limited basis for a year and a half. And then I woke up one morning and realized this was a once in a lifetime opportunity. And that was 32 years ago. And for the past 32 years, I have traveled this globe. sharing my philosophies, my thoughts, my ideas, my processes, with people, if I've been given one gift in life, is the ability to take what looks confusing to you, and show you the simple process to get to the other side of it. People do not have to struggle, they struggle by choice. And if you live a life of struggle, then that's all you think your life's going to be. But if you want to move beyond that and get out of the circle of sameness, you can also do that. You know, life is all about choices. It's about the choices we make, because every choice creates a direction.

Ari Gronich 3:18  

Yeah, you know, I have these conversations a lot with my with my seven year old, it's kind of interesting about choices and about what we choose to do, and the results that come from it. You know, you mentioned we're in changing and interesting times, I think that pretty much every time period is interesting times to the people who live in them. I've always said that Mad Men are, you know, your geniuses are mad men to the societies they live in. It takes generations before they get recognized as the geniuses that they are. And, and so it's interesting. I don't feel like we live in in changing an interesting times. I feel like it's an extension of what we've already created. And, and, you know, my philosophy, as you say is that we made this shit up and we can do better. Everything we see is a figment of our imagination, we created it in our mind. And what I'm hearing you say is that we can easily readily use that imagination and use our mind to shift our perspectives and adapt and change and adjust to the world that we see in front of us.

Richard Flint 4:43  

Well, you and I every day the choices that we make, are based on which which direction we choose to live. We the live from our emotions up, our mind down and if I live from my emotions up then I I sort of limit my ability to think. Because if my emotions up, I'm going to react. Because from my emotions up, the foundation of my life is, is about me doubting, worrying and feeling uncertain. And when I have those three, as the foundation of my living process, then I'm going to react to everything that happens. If I'm living from my mind down, then what do I do, I have a foundation of belief in myself, trust in myself, and the competence, the faith, that I can continue to move my life forward. throughout life, many people move in between those two foundations. And this is why some days, their life is great. And other days, their life is just a mess.

Ari Gronich 5:51  

So let's let's like unpack this a little bit. Because I think a lot of people would say that living in your mind is basically living in a figment of your imagination of what's not reality. And your emotions are what tell you, you know, what the truth is. So whether you're passionate about something, or whether you're angry about something, it tells you kind of the path of your resistance versus your mind, which may logically have all the numbers in place, but there's something not right. And if you don't listen to that other, then you can get lost. So let's unpack this so that people know what we're kind of talking about what you're talking about, so that there's more clarity to that and how to implement that into somebody's life.

Richard Flint 6:53  

My mind is a sketchpad. And my mind, everything that I am created with my life, began as a thought that I began to process and I have sketched it out. I'm a collector of hand carved wooden ducks. And several years ago, I was in Big Bear California doing a program. And the lady who had brought me in to speak to her company says, I'm going to take you over and show you something. So she took me over to a carving studio of a gentleman that that's what he did, he carved hand carved wooden ducks. So we were talking, he said, I want to show you something. So he took me into his studio, and on the table was a block of wood. He said, What are you looking at, I said, I'm looking at a block of wood. He says, I'm looking at a duck. I said, I'll buy it. Because if we lose our imagination, then we lose our ability to see forward. Now, granted, every day of our life is going to involve emotions. But if my mind is strong, in my belief, my trust and my faith in myself, then I can see beyond the fog that I'm living in. So then what happens with my mind strong, it then allows me to have the emotions that will support what it is I'm working on. But if I'm living from my emotions up, then my mind will give me an idea. But if my emotions are the strongest, then what I'm going to do, I'm going to become negative, and what's negative, I doubt what's negative, I spent too much time worrying about I live in a world where everything is uncertain. So I can't see beyond the fog that I'm living in. And, you know, I've worked with hundreds of people and have worked with them, and as a mentor in their life. And the thing that I find in people is that because of something that happens in their life, they lose that belief, that trust and that faith in their self. And when they do that, then they slip into a world of being afraid to let go if yesterday to step out of yesterday. But with my my belief, my trust and my faith in myself, I can step forward, because I know that I can because I'm committed to getting something done. And that's where my creativity comes from. It's my mind as a sketchpad, believing in myself and my emotions, giving me those positive emotions, that that strengthened me now, sure, I'm going to go through negative times. But if I'm strong mentally, I can work through the emotions.

Ari Gronich 9:49  

That's interesting. And I like what you're saying because obviously the show is called create a new tomorrow. And in order to do that, you have to leave Yesterday behind, I do have a firm belief that you have to learn from yesterday in order to properly leave it behind. However, you know, that's kind of the idea. So let's, let's break apart. Today is not yesterday, this sentence that that you placed in here, today is not yesterday, and we must be willing to do what needs to be done to prepare. So let's break apart that sentence into actionable things that somebody can actually do rather than just the concept.

Richard Flint 10:35  

Okay? First thing is my definition of yesterday, yesterday is a reference library, not a room to live. And you and I, airy, we've both known people who have chosen to live in yesterday, because of their their fear and the from, from the day I was born to the day I die, I'm going to battle six fears. And one of these six is going to be my number one fear. And if I don't control my fear, then I become a hostage to yesterday, there is no fear in today until I bring it out of yesterday. You know, you've got the fear of the unknown, which is rampid. Today. I mean, the people I'm talking to, they just they're they're challenged, because they're used to having this routine of their life. And they're used to being able to control their life, but all of a sudden, that's sort of been removed from them. So if I take that away, then they're looking at an unknown. And there's fear in that. There's the fear of abandonment, that I'll be left, there's the fear of rejection, that people aren't gonna like me, the fear of failure, which is huge. The fear of loss, which is all about price tag you're willing to pay. And then there's the fear of success, which to me is the number one fear with young people today. And the only thing I have is today. And my definition of today is dependent on what I've taken from yesterday, if I see it as that reference library, and I can open those file cabinets of yesterday, and I can find the lessons that I believe in and bring them forward, then I'm laying the foundation for a today where I can succeed. And if I succeed today, and I have that process, then I'm actually preparing for tomorrow. But if I'm living in yesterday, all I have is where I've been. And without that, I don't have a real definition of where I can go except backwards. Stand still.

Unknown Speaker 12:45  

So

Ari Gronich 12:47  

when you're talking about leaving yesterday behind, but using it as a reference library, how many people you know, and I know that we'll get an emotional trigger from a story, right? And so they'll read a book fiction, call it a fictional book, they'll read a fictional book, it'll evoke their emotions, they'll feel angry, they'll feel sad, they'll feel loved, they'll feel feel all kinds of feelings, right, from listening to that story. So the question becomes how do you turn a reference library into something other than a place to go have a pity party?

Richard Flint 13:30  

Well, it a lot of that depends on what I'm looking for. You know, I, I read a book The other day, and it was it was an emotional book. And I found myself on emotion with emotions. And when I finished the book, The question I asked myself is, what triggered these emotions? And what triggered the emotions and there was the story that reminded me of my childhood, which opened up a world of feelings. And the way that I was handled that is I've already worked through those emotions. Most people except yesterday, they don't challenge yesterday. And if you never challenge yesterday, then it's difficult to learn from yesterday. me when I was when I was 16 years old, my parents gave me a suitcase. adoptive parents gave me a suitcase and Tommy have been nice. No and me. And I have physically been on my own since I was 16. Only thing I ever know about my natural mother is that she was a prostitute in New Orleans. And she didn't want me so I was given away the home that I was adopted into. I never heard my dad talk. My dad and my mother ruled our house. And from the age of six to the age of 16. My mother used to make one of three states Listen to me consistently, you're stupid. You'll never amount to anything. And I'm sorry we ever adopted you. And, you know, children, the what they learned in life is what they get from their parents. And I spent years trying to prove to my mother, she was wrong. And when I was a sophomore in college, I went home to confront my mom and dad, when my mom saw me, she walked out the back door of the house, got in her car and drove off. never said a word to me. But that was one of the greatest freedom points I've ever had in my life, because it showed me nothing I could ever do, would earn her love. So right there, and then I stopped trying to prove to her and so much, so much of the downfall with people is that they spend too much time trying to prove their self to other people. And most of what we're trying to prove comes from our yesterday. That's why yesterday is important, as a reference library, to learn to understand the experience, to extract the lesson to bring the lesson in to today. And I tell people every day, I want three things for you, I want you to be better than what you are, I want you to be smarter than you think you are. And I want you to be strong enough to handle what life throws at you. And if you have got at your foundation, life will come at you. But then we put the word in place that is the control word of life pace. When I am living from my emotions up, my pace is out of control. When I'm living from my mind down, I'm in control of the pace of my life, which means I'm in control of my life.

Unknown Speaker 16:51  

Huh?

Unknown Speaker 16:54  

Well,

Unknown Speaker 16:57  

that was a

Ari Gronich 17:00  

really fascinating, and and I appreciate that. We're talking about working from mental down mind down, that doesn't necessarily, you know, mean, that you're not utilizing your emotions? Correct. Right. And so if you're not necessarily utilizing them as a hindrance, you're using them as a tool, how do you begin using the emotions that typically would be to tear down to build up? So things like anger and frustration and rage and all those things? How do you use those to your benefit versus your destruction?

Richard Flint 17:51  

Oh, you got to know where those emotions are coming from. Most of the emotions that the emotions that you were experienced in a day are coming from some experience from your yesterday that you've never dealt with. I believe that anything you don't complete in life has continuation. And when I was in the world of doing counseling, you know, people would come to me and they would be they would be angry. And but they didn't understand where their anger was coming from. So what we did, we would have to find the beginning point of that anger, they never dealt with it. And if you don't deal with negative emotions, all you do is increase their power in your life. And once we can find and locate where that anger is coming from, then we can work there. I've had couples in my office where one would be angry at the other. But Eric, it had nothing to do with their partner. It was the behavior or the actions of their partner reminded them of someone else. And they just brought that forward. And is is long is that there and not addressed. You have no way to get beyond the anger that you're feeling. That makes sense to you.

Ari Gronich 19:18  

Yeah, absolutely. So I come from the world of emotional release work. You know, I've done a lot of work with vets and PTSD with abuse victims, especially women who have suffered sexual abuse, mostly because of my experience with with that as well. And I've I've always found that I can talk somebody to death, about their stuff and and it doesn't necessarily help sometimes actually causes it to get worse and in some cases, just re escalate. The acuteness of the old trauma, versus doing somatic body work and breath work while doing the, the talk therapy and so on 10s, at least in my experience, to get the issues out of the tissues, because we have muscle cell memory, and every time we have an emotional trauma, it lands somewhere in our body and has a memory there. So the question that I have is, is, and I asked these in specific ways, because I want I want to get really clear, because we're not talking about reliving the experience or the story in order to get pity or sympathy, right? We're not looking for it in ourselves, or in anybody that we might be telling the story to. We're looking for empathy, and forgiveness and those kinds of things. Is that correct? At least in your in your perspective, because if we don't do those kinds of things, then we have that possibility of turning on the acuteness of an old trauma?

Richard Flint 21:18  

Well, one of the things that I know is that there are people out there who are looking for pity. And they keep retelling their story, because that's how they get pity from other people. And the challenge is, sometimes we feel sorry for these people. So what we do is we support that behavior. If there's one philosophy that I've written, that I'm known worldwide for, is just the rewards, behavior never lies, that the essence of truth is not what you say is what you do. I also believe that all behavior has an agenda. And that, you know, someone says, I didn't mean to do that, that's a lie. If you didn't mean to do it, you wouldn't have done it. But there's a purpose that goes with behavior. And you know, you're right. There are some people that they're not looking for.

They're not looking for pity. What they're looking for is just a set of ears. You ever gone looking for a set of ears? Not easy to find was a mouth?

Ari Gronich 22:39  

Yeah, it's, it's unfortunate when you look for a sounding board. And all you get is a speaker?

Richard Flint 22:47  

Yeah. People tell me all the time that I am a master at asking questions. And when I work with people, you know, people asked me, you know, what, what would you do? And I'll tell him, I'm not you. But let's talk about it to this question. And as long as I can depend on you, then I'm a hostage. But if you can help me, to making me Focus on me, and do with the truth of my own life, then you can turn me into a pioneer who has an unlimited future. My challenge with a lot of people who do, quote, counseling, is that they work to tie people to them, not free people from them. And I don't want anybody to be dependent on me. That's not my that's not my role. That's not my life. My life is to help you free yourself. So that you can discover the more there is for your life.

Ari Gronich 23:55  

You know, that's that's a interesting because one of my my current raves or rants, rants and raves, is, is in the system of medicine. And the incentives which is basically the incentive is to keep treating versus curing, and, and more procedures gets you more money versus better results. So that's kind of the way that I've seen medicine. That's the way I've seen marketing. That's the way I've seen companies in general going in, in many ways is it's no longer about quality, it's about quantity. It's no longer about what you're providing your customer and the benefit that they're getting. It's just a matter of giving them enough to get them to come back again and again and again. And, and as a functional medicine guy and doing sports therapy, we our entire goal is results that get them to a place where either They don't need us, or they're ready to go to that next level, and they need us for the next level. So, but it's no nowhere near keeping them static in their life. But it definitely seems like that tends to be a pattern in the counseling industry.

Richard Flint 25:20  

Well, and it goes much deeper than that it is, it's really our country today to me is driven by power and control. Okay, I have the power. So I'm going to control your life, I look at a lot of these decisions that are being made because of the virus. And it's not about the virus, it's about somebody wanting to play God. And somebody wanting to take control of your life and tell you how you can live. And, you know, personal with me, and your audience may not agree with this, but that's okay. I think the intent of a lot of people in power today is to break the human spirit. And I'm watching I'm Eric, I'm watching people that have been strong suffering with depression today. I'm watching people who have been really driven, but because of the unknown because of the uncontrollable, I'm watching their their spirit be drained out of them. And I personally believe that there's two types of depression, there's clinical depression, which medications is needed, we need to get the body back in sync. But I think the biggest form of depression is personal depression, is personal depression is when you take away my ability to be me to be in control of my life, and to make decisions. And it seems like today that there is an agenda behind the agenda, work, it's about, we're going to break the spirit of people. And if you break the spirit of people, what do you have? You have a herd of sheep?

Ari Gronich 27:16  

Yeah, so you know, we can go through through this kind of a conversation, because I love these conversations. But

my

my thing is, I don't like the conspiracy side of the conspiracy stories and theories. And and the part of that that is hard for me is is assigning an intention from a group or several groups or whatever, right. And so I don't tend to cite an agenda or an intention of people more like, here's the facts. And so yeah, we can talk about the facts. The facts are that, you know, we know, numbers aren't being told in a truthful way, we don't know whether they're high or low. We know that the media is propagating a level of fear in order to create consensus, which is to create people who are agreeing to the restrictions that that they're given. We don't know the intention. We can assume an intention, we don't know an intention, right? We don't know if this was designed. Or if this is a natural occurrence, right? If this is a designed occurrence, or a natural occurrence. That being said, in general, you can look at a fact like, in the 1940s, we started putting fluoride in the water. Prior to us putting fluoride in the water fluoride was being tested by, you know, the Nazi Germany, on their soldiers in order to create soldiers that are less likely to or more likely to obey orders and less likely to revolt against orders that they would deem inappropriate. So since the 1940s, we've been putting it in our water. And we know it's a neurotoxin that helps to control people's minds. So we can't put an intention on that string of facts. We can only say here's a string of facts, and you can figure it out for yourself what an intention might be. But so let's talk about this. You brought it up. So what do you think that people need to do in order to stop being sheep as you call them?

Richard Flint 29:58  

Well, first of all, let me ask you Do you believe? Do you believe that all behavior has an agenda?

Ari Gronich 30:06  

I believe that all behavior has an agenda. And I do not believe that, that anybody really knows the agenda that their behavior is providing. In most cases, they're probably recognizing or conscious of about 5%

Richard Flint 30:25  

or less. So I do something I know is wrong. Am I conscious that I'm doing it?

Ari Gronich 30:35  

Sometimes, who knows? There's a lot of people like kleptomaniacs that don't know that they're doing it when they're doing it. They only know afterwards. It's kind of like a blank slate. So.

Richard Flint 30:49  

But let's, let's take the let's take the average person who lives every day making choices. And I know this choice is wrong for me. And this is what I need to do. But I choose this, I choose the behavior. Because in some way, it's more satisfying to me than doing the right thing. But I know I know what my agenda is. I'm just a very firm believer that on the broader scope, you are exactly in your life where you want to be. And I watched every I've watched that, and people. And people tell me, I don't want to be here. Well, let's look at some of the choices you've made. Because every choice creates a path. That path is guided by behaviors. And that takes me in a direction. And what I find is that most people don't really understand the power of the choices that they make. And the connection to the behaviors that they live.

Ari Gronich 32:10  

I agree that that most people don't have any kind of associative value with what it is that they did, and the consequences that it brought, and the consequence to the consequences, the consequences to the consequence, I talk about butterfly effect a lot in my book. So I agree that people do not realize the things that they that they're doing. So my my I guess what I what I said to you was I don't believe that all behavior is conscious behavior, an automatic behavior, while it may have an agenda may not be known to the person what the agenda is. The other thing I'm going to say to that is that you're saying everybody knows what to do. But we have been systematically given this menu of choices, all of which happened to be 100%. Correct. And you can just ask Dr. Google about it. And you'll find that there are 50 ways to skin a cat, right. And all of them are 100% the only way. And so what people are experiencing, and in my opinion, is a lot of misinformation, that then they have no idea what's true, and what to choose and why to choose it.

Richard Flint 33:46  

up, and I agree that, you know, with any with any Crossroads that you and I stand that no matter what it's about their choices. Now, one of the things that, again, I've seen in working with people is that this sounds strange. Most people don't think they think they think but most people don't think and the reason they don't is they approach the decision with their emotions running, not slowing down and saying, Okay, I've got six options here. Which option best fits what I want to achieve. And the people who slow down are the people who take that deep breath in life. They look at the options. They know what they want, because they understand their purpose in life, which is a very, very few people.

Ari Gronich 34:50  

Yeah, that That to me is is probably more the issue I think that I've seen because people live their life. And they don't plan their life to live, they live their life on a plan, right? So you go to work, you go home, you go to work, you go home, you go to work, you go home, you do that five days a week, the next day you're doing errands. And the next day, maybe you go to church and restaurant a little better, you know, temple or whatever. And, and, and do something to relax. And then the next day, you're added again, and we believe somehow, in our minds, that this is the only thing that creates a person of value. And so when we have issues like this whole thing going on, we start getting depression, because people don't feel like they're providing value, because they're not doing this rat race. And on your point, I used to run a workshop is a three day workshop called Living big on purpose. And it was how to live a big life. Now I was at the time, 340 pounds. So there was a lot of double entendres and double meanings, their big life and doing it on purpose and all those things. But the point is, is that people don't know their purpose, because they've never been encouraged, or taught in any of our education, or, you know, general public way of teaching. We don't teach how to dream, we teach how to listen, and how to obey. We don't teach how to dream, and how to imagine and how to create the life that I want, versus a life that I'm being pre prescribed is the life I should have. Right? And so we never plan. And if you don't plan, you know, it's the same thing as setting a destination course without a rudder. You know, you're gonna arrive somewhere. But would you rather arrive at a well planned destination or an unplanned destination? And that's a good question. And that's something that we can talk about is how does how do people start creating that plan so that they know where they're going. So they have a trajectory so that their behavior matches the end goal? Because they actually have an end goal? And that was a lot of rant? So I'll let you I'll let you take it from here.

Richard Flint 37:21  

No, but what you're talking about is is absolutely correct. And I think in order to find that purpose, because you and I know purpose changes throughout our life. I mean, you haven't always sat there in that chair, talking into a microphone, correct? No. And before you got here, there was another purpose to your life. But as as purpose develops, opportunities appear. Now, sometimes that opportunity is a curse is a possibility, not an opportunity. But you know, I never thought I never thought that I would ever teach, I was going to be a lawyer, and decided, that's not what I want to be. I never thought that I would spend my life 30 years of my life, traveling the world speaking, not was not on my agenda. But as I strengthened my belief, my trust my faith in myself, and I opened myself to looking to the horizon. Rather than standing in where I am, then all of a sudden, I began to see other places that I could go with my talents and with my abilities. And so, you know, here I am. But let me let me share this with you, because you asked. I think in order to find the purpose in your life, there are four questions that you have to ask. And words to me are critically important. Question number one, what do I really want for my life? Not What do I want? It's the word really, that makes it an in depth question. What do I really want from my life? And if you can't answer that, you can't go to the next one. And question number two is, why do I really want this for my life? Question number three, what price Am I willing to pay to achieve this? And that's where a lot of people break down. Because for everything you and I want to do, there's a price tag in life. And then Question number four, what behaviors will I have to improve to allow me to get there? And I use those four questions every year in my life, to define my purpose. Like for 2021 what do I really want to achieve in 2021? Why am I willing to pay the price? Because I think the more you want to do with your life, the more confusion you have to work through Because confusion can be a real positive. If you've looked at it for what it is, it's a test of commitment. And then I have to be honest with myself, What is it about me that I'm going? Where am I going to have to improve? Not change? I never asked anybody to change? Where do I need to improve in my behavior? To remove the restrictions and limitations, that behavior can place on me? You're muted.

Ari Gronich 40:39  

Sorry, there was background noise. I had I have kids moving around in my background, so I have to mute every now and then. So we were talking about purpose, I was basically saying, those are great questions that you ask, I would, I would ask some more questions. Because I don't believe that it's necessarily all about just me. And that's my own personal beliefs. So I asked questions like, what is the legacy that you want to leave? What is the world that you want to see? Or, you know, your kids and grandkids and so on? Have I get into I guess, a little bit more in depth so that it becomes alive and real for for people? So I just suggest, yes, ask yourself those questions, but have it become really alive for you, and utilize your imagination in a way that's, you know, imagery sounds, even if you're watching videos, you know, things like that. I mean, this is a great thing at the beginning of a new year to do, it's not about resolutions, because I've never seen a resolution have somebody resolved to do the resolution ever in my life. I only see the beginnings. But when you have a well designed plan, you could actually create, you know, a roadmap to get to where you're going versus resolving to, I'm going to go to the gym this year, right? So anyway, that's a really good way of starting out your new year is find find that purpose. And you might want to ask yourself 100 years, what do you want to see the world like 50 years? What do you want to see the world? Like?

Richard Flint 42:39  

Can I take this a little deeper? Oh, yeah, please do. Okay. And you said something that is just, it's gospel. And that is, you and I, anything that we do with our life is going to affect the people around us. And so I can't, I can't just look at life just to me, you know, what do I really want? Okay, how's that going to affect? I believe that you and I live in a four room house, we have a business room, a family room, a social room and a Personal Room. And what I find with people is their life gets messed up because their lives are out of sync. I think there has to be an order to your life in order for you to have growth, to have clarity, and to have simplicity of living. And the order is this, the most important room in my life is my personal room. That's where I go to be by myself. And that alone with me is where my dreams are born. Because if I put too many people in that room, I'm overwhelmed with opinions. So what do I really want. And then the second most important room in your life is your family room. Because if you don't have the support of family, dreams will be destroyed. And so if I know what I really want, then I need to sit down with Karen and I need to talk to her about you know, this is the this is the ministry This is the crusade that I want to have in 2021. Because if she's not with me, she's against me. And you know this, you have kids, family can be very emotional. And if there's not, if there's not that common connection, it makes it real challenge. And then your third room is your business room, which is your number one room of mental stress.

Unknown Speaker 44:39  

And then

Richard Flint 44:40  

your social room is your play room. And that's another thing area that we're seeing today people aren't playing as playing the you know, this social distancing. This disconnect is really dangerous for everybody, young people, for children for adults. We are so creatures, we need that interaction. And this is good through the internet, but it doesn't give you the energy of standing in the presence of somebody.

Ari Gronich 45:11  

Yeah, you know, for sure I'm definitely missing my, my, you know, events, the people I had, I think for international speaking offers two weeks before COVID. And before the lockdown, and they all went away, right? immediately. And so yeah, I miss, I miss a little bit being on the road, I miss getting getting to look in the eyeballs of the people I'm talking to instead of, like, right now I'm looking my own eyeballs, it's very strange, I want to look down at your eyeballs. And you know, we, you know, we're, we have this very intimate connection with our lens. But it's not the right lens, it's the camera lens, it's not the lens behind our eyes, it's the camera lens, and we're having this very intimate relationship with this thing that I'm looking at right now may look like I'm looking at you. But I'm not looking at a camera, and lens. And because this interesting dynamic. You know, we have a lot of people flossing, that's, that's the new term for it. It's flossing. And they're flossing because they are in pain. And they don't want to show the pain. So they are flossing the selfies with lots of filters.

Unknown Speaker 46:50  

Thinking

Ari Gronich 46:51  

anyway, so I just wanted to say that this way of being I feel like this about that's how I feel about this way of being that that we're currently doing

Richard Flint 47:07  

it see if you agree with this, because you've been on platform, you've had that live audience out there in front of you. And that live audience gives you energy, and you can feed off of that energy, and it just makes you want to give energy back to them. I'm doing a tremendous amount of virtual seminars right now, conventions. And the interesting thing is, I can sit here with you. But there's not that in, you know, in reality, there's not that energy coming back. So I got to create the energy for both me and for you. Without that my body is given it back. And I tell you what, it's a whole different world of presentation.

Ari Gronich 47:49  

Yeah, you know, it's, it's really hard, especially for those of us who are trained to, to train and we, you know, get people in groups and doing active things out of their chairs with each other, it's hard when you know, the with each other is not in a place where you could actually touch or look in their eyes, hold their hands, especially if you're doing an emotional release kind of a thing. You know, it's like, you need that touch in order for the real release from the body to happen. Otherwise, it's kind of like, yeah, you can get to the emotion of it a little bit, but you won't get to the release of it.

Richard Flint 48:40  

And I agree with you. And this is one of the things that this lack of socialization is doing today. And probably the group This is hurting the most are the kids. Because at a young age, you need that socialization, you need to be in there, among them. And, you know, when they don't have that I've talked to several parents like me, whose kids are very social animals. And, you know, they're social butterflies, but it's the social butterfly that keeps them active and keeps them busy and keeps driving them. And now that they're the virtual school, they don't have that, that desire is diminishing.

Ari Gronich 49:29  

Yeah, you know, it's funny because we had to, we pulled our son out of school completely and are homeschooling him. And he's a very social person. He's actually learning a lot more right now and he likes not being in a classroom. Because I think, you know, otherwise he's the class clown. He's gonna be looking for the attention now mind you, he's in first grade. So but you know, he's he Somebody who is very social, and he's not getting to be as social as I'd like him to be, but I find that we can, you know, take over other ways, like putting in martial arts or different sports, when we're allowed to do that people. You know, those are ways that we can socialize him more, and actually think that they might be better, but I, I never had a good experience. And in public school, I mean, I was way too smart for the teachers, and he's 10 times smarter than than I am. And so, you know, I think, the last straw for us, he was doing that virtual school. And, and he, you know, the teacher asked how the kids were doing? And he said, Well, I'm frustrated. And the teacher said, What, why are you? Why are you frustrated? What's going on? He said, I have five businesses, and you're not teaching me how to work with any of them.

Unknown Speaker 51:03  

So

Ari Gronich 51:05  

at that point, you know, it was it was that we give them a different experience for a little while. But yeah, I mean, you know, depression is up, suicide is up, abuse of all kinds, domestic abuse is up. So then, what what's the solution? You know, because, obviously, this system is saying that we need to socially distance so we need to cover our faces. And we need to do these things in order to protect our community and have civic responsibility and civic duty. And anybody, you know, who disagrees with any of that decree, is a eugenics, you know, lover who's trying to kill off the world? So these are the polarities of our experience right now. So how do we, how do we solve this disparity?

Richard Flint 52:10  

I'm going to answer your question, because I'm going to give you what I think we have to do. But I want to preface it by saying this, I wish that they would be honest with us about the numbers. I don't trust the numbers are given us. I have several doctor friends. And they will, they will tell you, anyone who comes into the hospital who has a fever is classified this coping, because the hospitals get paid money for that. And that goes back to the point you made earlier in the show. And that I think so much of what's being done today is the ultimate agenda is greed, the mechanism to use this fear. So, what I tell people today, that there are basically six things you need to do. And again, these are these are mind. And a lot of people would not agree with it. And I tell them, it's okay, you can be wrong. But these are what these are what I I work with people on, first of all, stay spiritually strong. That and I wish someone area I wish someone would explain to me why faith is not an essential part of life. We're closing the churches down we're opening up the Walmart's the targets. Walmart's what profits up 549% Why isn't been an essential part of life. But you got to stay spiritually strong, your your belief, your trust in your faith, that we will get through this. And that I can I can get through this has got to be strong. Second thing is you got to pace yourself. One of the hardest things I do with the students that I have my my mentoring students, is it basis basically takes me two or three months to get them to understand the power of pace. That the faster you move to bigger mesh you got to make. And you either manage your life or your life manages you. So let's let's slow down so that we can and you said it in another way a while ago. And I thought that's exactly right. You need to slow down where you can listen to life. Because life talks to us. And I need to be at a pace where I'm listening to the life around me. And right now what I need to listen for is I need to listen for how to be smart in the midst of what we're going through. The third thing that I said I suggest to people, you need to invest in yourself. You need to take that time right now to really get to know yourself.

Unknown Speaker 54:59  

Who are you

Richard Flint 55:01  

What do you learn about yourself? And I've had this conversation with couples, who are you as a couple, you're spending more time around each other, you deal with more things you've ever dealt with?

Unknown Speaker 55:11  

What do you learn me.

Richard Flint 55:14  

Because what I find breaks couples apart, married or unmarried couples, is that when two people come together, what brings them together is a special something that they see in each other, and they connect it that special something. And what tears them apart is they lose that special something. So we need to invest in ourselves and getting to know us more, and get back to who we are not the person that we've been told to be resilient. The next one is resilience is a must. resilience to me, is the second most beautiful word in language next to love. But you've got to be more resilient than anything you've ever been. And to me, resilience is you can not be down, but I'm going to get up stronger, I'm going to be better.

And then the last to the next one is involve the right people in your life.

Stop listening to the negative people, my gosh, every I don't know about you. But I listened to the news for about 30 minutes in the morning. And then I don't listen to any more news. The news today has become very negative, it's become very controlling, it's become manipulative. And the agenda of the news, it I think, is to keep people in fear. And to keep them from really thinking and asking the right questions. And then the last thing I suggest that people get involved in training, find some way to put yourself in a learning experience. And that's why I opened my learning center. So that I could I can invite people to come into this learning center, we have classes at three different levels. And we got depending on where you are in your life, which level you go into. But challenge yourself, you need to challenge yourself today. And to challenge too, because I really do, I want people to be better, I want them to be smarter, I want it to be stronger in life. Because when you have those three, those three, then feed your desire, your determination and your discipline to achieve. Nice,

Unknown Speaker 57:34  

I like

Ari Gronich 57:35  

that very succinct. I want to I want to, you know, like, take another hour and break each one of those things apart into little itty bitty pieces. But we don't have another hour. So I guess I can't do that. But I really, really want to I want to break them all into little itty bitty, bite sized chunky pieces that people can consume easily and readily. But I think that this is a great place to to end the call for now. I mean, obviously I could spend another five hours having a conversation with you about all of these wonderful things. And here's what I want to just end with because you asked a question about how to not have faith and be alive, so to speak. I don't think that people don't have faith. And I don't think that faith is as direly wanting as some people think, I believe that faith has moved from the faith in a religion, to faith and other things. So faith is less than less, in my opinion, based on religious teachings and more based on inner knowings. And so I don't think that it's, it's absent, I think that it's transformed a little bit from what people know of. And so why would Why would a church be closed? And a Walmart not? Why would you know, and I'm going to leave you guys with these thoughts. I'm not going to answer any of them for you. But if you like you can always comment on the this conversation and we can start that conversation deeper. So why is it that people do an ask this question, do and make choices that go in exact opposite of their own self interest? That's the question I'm going to leave you with. Because I think that that goes to the heart of all the things, Richard, that you've been saying is that people make choices that go against the goals, versus towards the goals, they go against what it is that you want, versus going towards what you want. So why is it that we as a society, have decided to let the bullies rule? And we've decided to lay down for the bullies? And how does that help you create a new tomorrow today?

So that's what I'm going to leave you with? Because normally, I leave you with all these great tips and tricks. I think that Richard really provided that for for you with with his six. And, and so Richard, why don't you let people know how they can get ahold of you if they'd like to book you for a speaking engagement or, or any other form of, of work that you do if somebody wants to get ahold of you and learn more?

Richard Flint 1:01:19  

How do they do that? Well, my website is real simple with Richard Flint.com. My staff did that. So I would never forget it. But Richard Clint calm. And my email is also very simple. Richard at Richard Flint.com. And Eric, we have two things coming up in January, that I'm really excited about. I'm doing two virtual seminars in January, to help people with mindset for 2021. On the 16th of January, we're going to do a virtual 70 minutes virtual seminar on turning your gold into gold. I think one of the most frustrating thing that happens out there is we teach a very negative process to goal setting. And I think it creates most people's frustrations. So I'm going to take 70 minutes, and I'm going to show you a process that allows your goals not to be words on a paper, but the reality that your mind can construct and build off of. And then on the 30th of January, we're doing another virtual seminar and titled, how to have the greatest year of your life, and how to strengthen yourself internally. So the external can't control you. And if people would like to have information on this, if they'll go to Richard flint.com, backslash live, all of the information is there. Richard flint.com, backslash live. It's there. I think you and I think you and I share a common a common purpose. And that purpose is to help people find the fulfillment of life. That's what I get from you. And I really, I really liked that. And I respect you for that.

Ari Gronich 1:03:07  

I appreciate that. Is are your programs going to be evergreen? Are you turning them into evergreen programs? And the reason I asked that is, I don't know exactly when your episode is going to air. And so I just want to make sure that the information is either going to be retroactively, you know, available for them if if it's evergreen or not. I just want to make sure that they have the option of finding that so are you going to turn that into an available recording?

Richard Flint 1:03:41  

Yes, we record everything we do will be there. Okay. Awesome.

Ari Gronich 1:03:47  

That way, in case you know, this is after January. We we don't want losing anybody, you know. We don't want to lose anybody in translation. So

Richard Flint 1:04:02  

if they'll go to Richard Flint, calm everything they need to know about me is right there. Awesome. Very nice.

Ari Gronich 1:04:08  

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Richard Flint 0:13  

And, you know, children, that what they learn in life is what they get from their parents. And I spent years trying to prove to my mother she was wrong. And when I was a sophomore in college, I went home to confront my mom and dad. When my mom saw me, she walked out the back door of the house, got in her car and drove off. Never said word to me. But that was one of the greatest freedom points I've ever had in my life. Because it showed me nothing I could ever do. would earn her love.

Hi, I am here with Eric Dagati. HE is the Founder and Director of ONE Human Performance. Eric has spent the past 20 years in the fitness industry as a coach, trainer and instructor, pioneering his unique approach to client assessment, performance enhancement and injury prevention. Eric studied Exercise Physiology at William Paterson University and, in addition, has had the good fortune over the years of learning directly from some of the greatest minds in the industry, including Gray Cook, Charles Poliquin, Mike Clark and Paul Chek.

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich. And I have with me Eric Dagati. And Eric is a performance trainer. He's physical athletic performance, injury prevention, management and rehab, systematic approach to health and wellness. He's spent the last 20 years in the industry training and pioneering his unique approach to assessment, performance enhancement, injury prevention, etc. Each year, he travels the world teaching and speaking trainers, coaches, therapists, as well as training clients that include Olympic gold medalists, Gatorade, and energy players of the year all Americans, national champions, World Series champions and Pro Bowl athletes. It's quite a resume you have very, very astute kind of resume, why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself how you got to this place where you are the man behind the men and women

Eric Dagati 1:17  

got it? Oh, thank you for having me here. So, like you said a little over 20 years ago got involved in in helping people get better on the initially just on the physical side. And then I realized that there was a lot more to it than that. And that's kind of what started my journey of kind of finding a system that works to getting people to be their best. And along that way, I've gotten to do some pretty cool things, like you mentioned. And, and with that, to this day, still accumulating more and more information that can kind of make that system work a little bit better. And, and having this growth mindset of saying okay, well, if there's something that can allow one of my clients, one of my teams to be able to be better tomorrow from this, or even if it's a better way of delivering that information. That's kind of what I've been gaining over the over the last 20 plus years of doing that. And that's kind of what gets me to where I am now.

Ari Gronich 2:17  

Awesome. So what do you think, is the biggest deficiencies that you've seen in, you know, the training, the teaching the educational side? That that's kind of given you an opportunity to have a career because you're filling a gap. Right? So what's that gap that you're filling? And why do you think that the industry hasn't kind of, let's say, made it with the times, come up with, you know, the present moment? Why do you think it's taken them so long?

Eric Dagati 2:54  

I think a lot of the dogmatic way in which we're taught on whether it's on the, the clinical side of rehab, or whether it's on the training side of performance is it's a lot of this for that mentality, right? So if it's someone on the rehab side that okay, well, if, if they can't perform this movement, this is tight, and this is weak. On the performance side, well, if they can't do this, well, then you got to do these exercises. And I wish it was that simple. And early on, it was a lot of that it was it was fine, a problem prescribed, you know, something specific for it. And that works to a certain extent, but unless you really get a full grasp on the whole picture, you end up missing out on a lot of things.

Ari Gronich 3:40  

Again, I get that, you know, here's a question that I have. And it's something that I see in the industry quite a bit. And that is a failure to diagnose meaning the assessment system that were trained in, originally and what is used mostly, are things like visual assessments, very brief, conversational moments, especially if you're a trainer, you're literally you know, do a 1015 minute conversation and then try to sell a package right, instead of doing a deep diagnostic and so, the question becomes, as you just started, you know, saying you had to explore things further. So, what are the assessments that you have chosen to do the way that you choose to do diagnostics so that you can get a better starting place?

Eric Dagati 4:46  

Okay, so the, the, the initial starting place is that is just that conversation and the art of that conversation and you can and how do you do that right and and if your motive is selling a training package then you're already off base. But but the asking some Kiko, I've asked like the same six key questions for 20 years, but where it's taken the journey for each individual that's come in the door has been completely unique. And the first question is something as simple as like, why are you here? What is your primary goal? Instead of me trying to sell you on what I do? Why are you even here? And and figure out, Okay, and then keep asking why, like a two year old is okay, well, I'm here because I want to I want to be faster, faster for what? Who's chasing you? Right? And so okay, well, faster, because I'm a football player. Okay, well, what position do you play in? Okay, well, what do you think's holding you back from that speeding, keep asking those questions? And then And then from there, we can start to open up some doors of conversation to say, Okay, well, now I got to look at to see, are those really the reasons?

Ari Gronich 5:51  

Awesome, you know, I have things like client contracts and obligations that they have to meet when I'm working with them. So sounds to me, like, you're definitely doing the things to get people on board with their own healing. I guess my my questions are a little more systematic versus, you know, your particular system, like the systems that we experience on a day to day basis. Now, why? Why do you have a job as a specialist training, the people who are really the day to day people that are working with these elite athletes? And I asked this actually have a couple of my Olympic clients, when I interviewed them as well on on the podcast, like, why did you need me? Why was why was I, somebody you couldn't get in all of the, with all the people that are there specifically for you?

Eric Dagati 7:02  

I think a lot of that comes back to it. First, it was about them. Right? I had two pro baseball players in this morning. And they said they went to another facility last year for training. And they, they were told that this was going to be a completely individualized program. And it was all based exactly on what they needed. And then they realized about a week or two, when that they were doing the same program as every other high school kid in the place. And that every time that we're doing something, they can make a connection to something that they've that either we discovered in the assessment or that they've even told me, and that it's making that connection. So there's that realization that this is not training to get good at training, this is training to get good. And this is good specifically for what you need.

Ari Gronich 7:49  

That's awesome. You know, I believe that program design and development is probably the number one biggest thing that helps a trainer and athlete a patient anatomy of any kind, and that it is probably the least done in the industry, the least thing done, it will help it would help the most. And it's the least thing done. Like I can remember, just in my own personal experiences going after car accidents, or after injuries to therapists, chiropractors, pts, etc. And no one spoke to each other. No one had conversations about care, nobody actually created a plan of care. It was it's always just been Oh, come in, we'll see what we can do today. And then come in tomorrow, we'll Oh, well, you know, we'll we'll just do what we can. And it's never been a here's where we're going. This is the plan. This is why and now we're off on this adventure together of fulfilling the plan, right?

Eric Dagati 9:11  

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I used to have a criteria when I, I own my own multi disciplinary facility for 12 years. And then I got kind of too busy with consulting and doing that kind of stuff. So I moved on, but when I did, I had a staff of eight trainers. And so to make sure that we kept the brand true and that the level of care up. You know, one of the things that we say is that you are not here to show exercises, I said you can get that for free at YouTube. No one needs to pay for that.

Ari Gronich 9:42  

Yeah, you know, not only to them, but to yourself. You're you're doing an injustice to yourself, because if you're settling for less than what you're capable of, then you're basically allowing yourself to have stunted growth?

Eric Dagati 10:01  

Yeah, well, and then not only that, you're not really distinguishing yourself. And like, like you said about, you know, why does that certain client look me and seek me out, they drive past a lot of gyms and trainers to get to me that are a lot easier, you know, made cheaper and more, you know, more local to where they are, but they're not going to get that. And so unless you're willing to distinguish yourself, and that also means you're putting yourself out there a little bit. And that's the same thing goes with the assessment is to say, if I'm going to tell you, we're doing this to improve this, and it doesn't, well, that's me putting it out there. That's where I want to have the confidence that I can get you there. And if I also don't have the ego to say, well, we tried this and it didn't work. That's not the path. Let's quickly scrap that. And let's go to something else. And that's okay.

Ari Gronich 10:48  

So we've kind of gone through some of how an audience member might choose differently when they're choosing their therapists or trainers or people. What's the number one thing that you might say to a trainer, therapist person, if they're operating under the standards of care. And they are afraid of moving away from that in order to actually get results because of being investigated or having licenses looked at? I know a lot of chiropractors have moved under that functional medicine by taking away their DC and and joining organizations like the pastoral Medical Association, for instance, in order to basically shift their liabilities. But what would you say to somebody who is looking at the system and going, this is not working. And I really like to see it change, because I do like activists.

Eric Dagati 12:03  

So I think the more you can prove that you can get to the same point faster, it's going to leave you time to do those types of things that you want. And not so much to your point in the scope of practice. But But let's say if you get really good at at at your assessment piece, and the ability to kind of ascertain what someone needs, you can sharpshooter much more what it is that you want to do in terms of treatment. So, you know, it goes back to you know, Abraham Lincoln said, if he gave me, you know, five hours to cut down the tree, I'm going to spend the first four and a half sharpening the blade. And so if you can really dial in your assessment, while the the therapist of the table next to me or the trainer on the floor next to me is spending three weeks trying to figure out how to address this issue, I get it done in three days. Because I took more time off, I invested the time up front, and I was able to shark shoot as opposed to taking the shotgun approach to everything. Now what that does is the other 27 days are that I have that you don't have that you were kind of fumbling in doing trial and error. It gives me the freedom to do a lot more things.

Ari Gronich 13:16  

Anyway, I really appreciate you coming on helping helping to expose some of this stuff. You know, why don't you tell us a little bit about how people could get ahold of you if they'd like to. And any tips or tricks I know you've started you know, stated a number of them but any tips or tricks for helping create a new tomorrow today?

Eric Dagati 13:37  

Yeah. Well, in terms of finding, finding me can just the easiest place to just go to my website, which is Eric Dagati.com And then you have all my social media and so forth that you can find on there. And feel free to reach out with any questions directly through that. And then in terms of any tips is I go back to those what I call the three big things of move, fuel and reset, and don't lose sight of those. And if you if you're not where you want to be there's there's something missing in one of those three buckets, if not all of them. And we can get away with having something missing in some of those buckets if we're strong enough in the other two to make up for. But you can't drain all three of those. And so looking at making sure do I move well, and if I do move well, do I move enough? If or do I not move well, but I move too much. Right? Any one of those combat combinations is not good. And then the second is is fuel What am I putting into my body whether it's a whether it's what I eat, what I drink or what i what i think and listen to an experience and expose myself to because that all leaves an imprint just like every cell in your body is made out of amino acids from the proteins and and glycogen from from these sugars and fatty acids and cholesterol from your fats, all your cells are a byproduct of what's your fuel is. And the same thing goes for what's going on, on a larger scale with your spirit, and that's fuel that you put in into your head. And then the last piece is you're giving yourself a chance to reset. And then with that reset, that reset doesn't always have to be an external thing. It's meaning that a reset doesn't mean that I go to a cryo tank every day or I got a couple $100 massage gun or both things not that that's necessarily a bad thing. But if you're constantly relying on those, you're probably you know, off somewhere else. That Am I sleeping, right? And am I getting the right reset? Am I breathing right? Even those those simple things, if you can check those boxes, then a lot of the other stuff falls into place. So establishing the right habits and those three categories i think is the biggest thing to get started and then you want to get down into the weeds, we can certainly do that, but not until you've checked those three boxes first. Awesome.

Ari Gronich 16:05  

Thank you so much, Eric, for coming on for providing the audience with your education, your wisdom and and I look forward to seeing what you create in in our industry and the movement that develops because you're teaching this kind of system and this kind of care to our industry. So thank you very much for that.

Unknown Speaker 16:31  

I appreciate the opportunity.

Ari Gronich 16:33  

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich. And I have with me Eric Dagati. And Eric is a performance trainer. He's physical athletic performance, injury prevention, management and rehab, systematic approach to health and wellness. He's spent the last 20 years in the industry training, and pioneering his unique approach to assessment, performance enhancement, injury prevention, etc. Each year, he travels the world teaching and speaking trainers, coaches, therapists, as well as training clients that include Olympic gold medalists, Gatorade, and energy players of the year all Americans, national champions, World Series champions and Pro Bowl athletes. It's quite a resume you have very, very astute kind of resume, why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself how you got to this place where you are the man behind the men and women

Eric Dagati 1:25  

got it? Oh, thank you for having me here. So like you said a little over 20 years ago got involved in in helping people get better on the initially just on the physical side, and then realizing there's a lot more to it than that. And that's kind of what started my journey of kind of finding a system that works to getting people to be their best. And along that way, I've gotten to do some pretty cool things like you mentioned. And, and with that, to this day, still accumulating more and more information that can kind of make that system work a little bit better. And, and having this growth mindset of saying okay, well, if there's something that can allow one of my clients, one of my teams to be able to be better tomorrow from this, or even if it's a better way of delivering that information. That's kind of what I've been gaining over the over the last 20 plus years of doing that. And that's kind of what gets me to where I am now.

Ari Gronich 2:26  

Awesome. So what do you think, is the biggest deficiencies that you've seen in, you know, the training, the teaching the educational side? That that's kind of given you an opportunity to have a career because you're filling a gap. Right? So what's that gap that you're filling? And why do you think that the industry hasn't kind of, let's say, made it with the times, come up with, you know, the present moment? Why do you think it's taken them so long?

Eric Dagati 3:03  

I think a lot of the dogmatic way in which we're taught on whether it's on the, the clinical side of rehab, or whether it's on the training side of performance is it's a lot of this for that mentality, right? So if it's someone on the rehab side that okay, well, if, if they can't perform this movement, this is tight, and this is weak. On the performance side, well, if they can't do this, well, then you got to do these exercises. And I wish it was that simple. And early on, it was a lot of that it was it was fine, a problem prescribe, you know, something specific for it. And that works to a certain extent. But unless you really get a full grasp on the whole picture, you end up missing out on a lot of things. And so you can get down into some deep rabbit holes, whether it's, I'm getting wrapped up in, you know, when I initially started, I had these hour and a half evaluations, and I chase everything that I found that was off. And if you didn't have exactly how many degrees of external rotation in your shoulder, I was going to fix that. And then I realized that you know what, that didn't matter if this person couldn't even touch your toes, right? If there was bigger things that I needed to do in terms of a checklist in terms of checking boxes to make sure, where do I even start and I was missing, I was missing big stuff to chase after little stuff. And we can get down that road. Because Listen, I you know, I've gotten to work with some of the best in the world. And none of them are perfect. But we sometimes let perfect get in the way of good. And so being able to know how to have that checklist and have that systematic way to look at say, Okay, I got to start here first before I worry about that. And then I may never need to worry about that. And so I think getting away from that disk for that and having looking at the individual in front of you, and going through a checklist of some big things first, and say Can they do these things and then I'll worry about if those little things That I that are deep in the textbooks have to even be worried about right now.

Ari Gronich 5:06  

Again, I get that, you know, here's a question that I have. And it's something that I see in the industry quite a bit. And that is a failure to diagnose meaning the assessment system that were trained in, originally, and what is used mostly, are things like visual assessments, very brief, conversational moments, especially if you're a trainer, you're literally, you know, do a 1015 minute conversation and then try to sell a package, right? Instead of doing a deep diagnostic. And so, the question becomes, as you just started, you know, saying, you had to explore things further. So what are the assessments that you have chosen to do the way that you choose to do diagnostics so that you can get a better starting place?

Eric Dagati 6:12  

Okay, so the, the initial starting place is that is just that conversation and the art of that conversation. And you can and how do you do that? Right? And, and if your motive is selling a training package, then you're already off base. But but the asking some Kiko, I've asked like the same six key questions for 20 years, but where it's taken, the journey for each individual that's come in the door has been completely unique. And the first question is something as simple as like, why are you here? What is your primary goal? Instead of me trying to sell you on what I do? Why are you even here? and figure out okay, and then keep asking why, like a three year old is okay, well, I'm here because I want to I want to be faster, faster for what? Who's chasing you? Right? And so okay, well, faster, because I'm a football player. Okay, well, what position do you play in? Okay, well, what do you think's holding you back from that speed? And keep asking those questions? And then And then from there, we can start to open up some doors or conversation to say, Okay, well, now I got to look at to see are those really the reasons? Meaning that first I'm going to look at is how do you move on a fundamental level with something as basic as a functional movement screen to say, Do you at least cover your basis as a human being as a, as someone that needs to be able to do some basic things in terms of move from your hips move from your upper body, to be able to step to be able to lunge to be able to squat? And and if you can cover those fundamentals? Okay, well, that box is checked, I don't need to get your perfect, but that's probably not your issue. And do you have at least you know, movement competency? And then from there, then we can start looking at some, some other factors, whether it's performance factors, and looking at your your power and your motor control and your ability to have lasticity and impact control and work capacity, or is it a body composition issue, right. And if you want to get faster, well, that doesn't move all that fast up. If we can get you leaner, you might get faster, and you never end up doing a single speed drill. And then we like to look at and open up the doors at a conversation to the the next question that I asked to say, Okay, well, we train do we build up or break down and I literally had a high school quarterback. And last night, for the first time asked this question nine times out of 10, they say, Well, I build up and I said, try again, the whole reason this works is you challenge yourself, your body goes, Oh my gosh, I don't know what I just did. But you're going to have to get better for it. Now, it's my job to figure out what those things are and how much of that we give to you. But that's the magic is not happening here. We're just kind of planting seeds. It's the other 23 hours a day that that magic happens. And that comes down to recovery. And so I could give you the greatest program in the world. But if you're up all night playing fortnight or eating Twizzlers, and drinking Red Bull, we pretty much wasted our time. So we have to make sure that we support that with the right recovery. And then getting them to understand that this is this is on them. And the analogy that I use, okay, we're going to, I'm going to show you, I'm going to give you the right seats and tell you where to plant them. But you're the farmer from here on it, it's on you to plant those to harvest those seeds. I can't go home and do your exercises for you. I can't tell you when to go to bed or I'm not going to, you know be in your kitchen serving your meals and getting the onus on the individual. And making them part of that journey, I think is an empowering thing I want to do early on. And so when they can see that and then having the assessment to tie into it is to say okay, well, you couldn't touch your toes when you came in. We just did these three drills with you and now you can, okay, so we know these work. So if you do those every day, imagine how much better you're going to move. Alright, so you're going to do those every day till the next time I see you and then when you come in as long as you touch your toes. Now we've checked that box and now we're gonna move on to the next thing. So that'd be assessment. Men, as well as the conversation all lead to this empowerment of getting them to take personal responsibility for their own performance and well being.

Ari Gronich 10:11  

Awesome, you know, I have things like client contracts and obligations that they have to meet when I'm working with them. So sounds to me like, you're definitely doing things to get people on board with their own healing. I guess my my questions are a little more systematic versus, you know, your particular system, like the systems that we experience on a day to day basis. Now, why? Why do you have a job as a specialist training, the people who are really the day to day people that are working with these elite athletes? And I asked this actually have a couple of my Olympic clients, when I interviewed them as well on on the podcast, like, why did you need me? Why was why was I, somebody you couldn't get in all of the, with all the people that are there specifically for you.

Eric Dagati 11:23  

I think a lot of that comes back to a first it was about them. Right? I had two pro baseball players in this morning. And they said they went to another facility last year for training. And they say they were told that this was going to be a completely individualized program. And it was all based exactly on what they needed. And then they realized about a week or two, when that they were doing the same program as every other high school kid in the place. And that every time that we're doing something, they can make a connection to something that they've that either we discovered in the assessment or that they've even told me, and that it's making that connection. So there's that realization that this is not training to get good at training, this is training to get good. And this is good specifically for what you need. And that's really where they're getting that that attention that some people may not have, if you don't have that skill set, then they're just going to go in and get another, you know, rote training program. And that I have, I've kind of challenged myself to say, I want to, I want to make sure that there's never going to be an individual that I ever see that I can't make better in some way, shape, or form. And so because of that, I always want to be able to give you something that you didn't have yesterday. And so when athletes see that they can say okay, I can see where this is going, I can see that this is a journey, this isn't a workout, this is a journey. And they can see that this leads to this leads to this. And it's based on this, and this is going to be our checks and balances. And that's where they're they're, they're getting something that they're not getting elsewhere, because it's not about a workout.

Ari Gronich 13:00  

That's awesome. You know, I believe that program design and development is probably the number one biggest thing that helps a trainer and athlete, a patient and any of any kind, and that it is probably the least done in the industry, the least thing done, it will help it would help the most. And it's the least thing done. Like I can remember, just in my own personal experiences going after car accidents, or after injuries to therapists, chiropractors, pts, etc. And no one spoke to each other. No one had conversations about care, nobody actually created a plan of care. It was it's always just been a come in, we'll see what we can do today. And then come in tomorrow we'll Oh, well, you know, we'll we'll just do what we can. And it's never been a here's where we're going. This is the plan. This is why and now we're off on this adventure together of fulfilling the plan, right?

Eric Dagati 14:22  

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I used to have a criteria when I, I own my own multi disciplinary facility for 12 years. And then I got kind of too busy with consulting and doing that kind of stuff. So I moved on, but when I did, I had a staff of eight trainers. And so to make sure that we kept the brand true and that the level of care up. You know, one of the things I always say is that you are not here to show exercises. I said you can get that for free at YouTube. No one needs to pay for that. And that if at any point, your client should ask you why are we doing this and you can't give them a Clear, cogent solid reason that ties specifically do their goal, then they should be able to walk out the door and get their money back. And so you have to really know in your heart that everything you're doing has purpose. And you can stand on the table and defend that purpose. Now, what I did five years ago, this goes probably for all of us. And this is what I did five years ago, certainly not what I would do today, what I did probably five months ago, wouldn't be what I would do today. But what I'm going to give you today is the best of my, of my knowledge for where you're at, and where you want to get to. And I can stand behind that wholeheartedly. And so if you don't have that, and you're just showing exercises, and you're kind of throwing that this for that against the wall, it's really doing an injustice to your clients and patients.

Ari Gronich 15:44  

Yeah, you know, not only to them, but to yourself, you're you're doing an injustice to yourself, because if you're settling for less than what you're capable of, then you're basically allowing yourself to have stunted growth.

Eric Dagati 16:04  

Yeah, well, and then not only that, you're not really distinguishing yourself. And like, like you said about, you know, why does that certain client look, you know, seek me out, they drive past a lot of gyms and trainers to get to me that are a lot easier, you know, made cheaper and more, you know, more local to where they are, but they're not going to get that. And so unless you're willing to distinguish yourself. And that also means you're putting yourself out there a little bit. And that's the same thing goes with the assessment is to say, if I'm going to tell you, we're doing this to improve this, and it doesn't, well, that's me putting it out there, that's where I want to have the confidence that I can get you there. And if I also don't have the ego to say, well, we tried this and it didn't work. That's not the path, let's quickly scrap that and let's go to something else. And that's okay. Right. And sometimes in our industry, we have too much of an ego to say that I did something that didn't work, I'm I'm okay with that. And that we learn from making mistakes, and we just have to make sure we don't stay on that mistake for too long.

Ari Gronich 17:06  

Yeah, you know, the way that we distinguish ourselves from being a commodity that is traded based on, you know, the cheapest cost, we want to be known as the results, the people who get those results, the people in the community who actually care about the people that are paying us and coming to see us. And in our industry, we've gotten to this place, it seems where it's kind of like an assembly line, you know, you have a time limit on the amount of time that you get to train with somebody, and even if you're not done, being fixed or bettered or whatever, it's okay, we're time's up, we're done for now. And so you have to come back and have to come back more, you know, it's like this assembly line has really affected our bottom line as far as results. So what do you think the future entails for, you know, for our industry, having, you know, in one that created such abysmal results, you know, in the in the recent past?

Eric Dagati 18:29  

So, I think, I think the more that you can show the art of what you do, as opposed to just the assembly line, as you said, is that, you know, I have a personal speaking with yesterday, he was interested in training, and they said, Well, you know, how many months and how many sessions I said, Well, here's how it works, is that I don't know what I'm gonna do with you, I have no idea. You can tell me what your goal is, but I don't know what it is that you need. And then the only way to figure that out is through the assessment. So the only thing you're committed to is the assessment. And then I'm going to teach you your program. And then from there, it's up to you how much you need me to execute that program. I know that program will get you to where you need to go. But how much you need me that's that's really up to you. I don't know that. So some people see me five days a week, some people see me once a month. I'm not here to do it, where you're here, I'm here for only what you need before. And in the end. Now I use tons of analogies. And I say if your goal would be like of what you want to accomplish would be like building a dream house, you're coming to me as the architect to say this is all the things I want in that dream house. I'm gonna put together the plan. But I don't have to hang every I don't have to I don't have the ego that I have to hang every wall up or run every wire or every pipe that if you have someone that can do that, or you can do it on your own even better. But I'm going to be here and if you need me to teach you the first time around, I can do that. And then from there, eventually I want to build that independence to where I'm here. Just here. For that, I'm telling you where to plant the seeds in which sees us, you have to learn to be that farmer and you have to learn to kind of grow with that. And so that that right there is a is a thing that that a lot of trainers and therapists are afraid of, because they said, Well, how do you get repeat business? Because you're good, and people talk about it and they come back, if you're locked into the only way I'll get them to come back is I kind of block them in for 1030 sessions, then that's, that's a very short sighted way of looking at things.

Ari Gronich 20:30  

Yeah. I'll just tell a quick little story, I had a client who had come to me after three years of going to a local chiropractor, who was, you know, in the area considered to be the the top notch chiropractor. And after three years of going to him, getting no benefit for massive sciatica pain. And in three sessions, I had him back to no pain. So we took three years, condensed it into three sessions. And then I started asking him questions, because as you said, questions are King. And the question was, okay, now that you're not in pain anymore, what would you like to accomplish? And this question that I asked kinda in my world has always taking care of the fear that you just stated, which is the fear of Where are you going to get new clients from or how they're going to come back to you? Well, I basically asked him the question, what what do you want to accomplish next? What's your what's the thing that if you could do this would make your life amazing, and he had been an extreme athlete when he was younger. And so, you know, he didn't want to do you know, jumps off a second storey balconies and things like that on his rollerblades, but he wanted to train for American Ninja Warrior. So okay, great. We created the plan, we started, the program dropped 50 pounds off his body in like no time. And all of a sudden, everybody was saying to him, Wow, you look different. Where did what happened with you? And then he would say, well, I've been working with this guy. Right? So that's how you get new business is being good at what you do, not just bringing in new leads. So one of the things I've actually said to marketing companies that that are promoting, we get you leads we get you leads is that do? Do the people you're getting leads? Do they deserve them? Are they going to give the people that are coming to them the benefit and the results that they want? Because otherwise, you should probably have me work with them first, so I can make sure they get top notch results. Now we can have add you to that list as well. Right.

Eric Dagati 23:14  

So they I think part of the problem is that the expectations of the person that walks in a PT clinic or walks into a gym are so low, that that I think a lot of the industry is has dropped down to that level as opposed to risen above it. And so when people walk into a gym, and I'll say, you know, one of the questions, I'll ask you those questions up front, and I'll say, How do you know you get a good workout? And the two answers I'll get 99% of the time is I sweat a lot, it was really hard. And so if that's your only criteria, anybody could do that, you know, can I tell you what come to my house this afternoon, you can shovel my driveway, you'll sweat a lot, it'll be really hard. So that's where the criteria is. And then the same price on the flip side on the on the clinical side, is that people, you know, go in and when they don't feel better. It's like, Oh, it's probably something I did. Or it's probably, you know, I have, you know, one of these labels that was slapped on him, I have a herniated disc, or I have whatever. And then you do a little education saying, Well, you know, like, 95% of the people have a disc herniation why is it that you her? And then why is that other people are getting better? And you're not? And they don't think to ask that question. The bar has been set so low and, you know, always, you know, set it say to my clients, when they're like, wow, that feels a lot better. I was like, well, that's what it's supposed to do. You know, and I joke I said, don't get don't get surprised when it works. I said be upset when it doesn't. I said we need to set the bar a little bit higher as far as what your expectation is, you came in to me to get better. And we need to agree on what that means. And then every time you walk in, you should get better. And so if we're not doing that, then we need to change The plan, but the the bar has been set so low and a lot of the industry sees that and they say, Well, I can crank out more sessions or more more patient visits or, or more classes because they don't expect much I can bring them in, put a whitener your workout up on the whiteboard, beat the crap out of them, send them on their way and let the next group come in. And, you know, and that's going to end up leading to a lot of volume initially, but there's nothing really special that you're not that you're giving that anybody else isn't giving. But you've you've raised your quality level down to what the expectations are, as opposed the other way around.

Ari Gronich 25:34  

Yeah, you know, I could go on about our educational system in general that has done that with our kids. And, you know, like, just industry after industry after industry that I see, that seems to have lowered the bar and the expectations and then lower the bar, and then expectations and then lower the bar and then expectations to the point where we really don't care so much about the results. Because I think that there's a sense that of hopelessness, that it's never going to get better and that this is just the way it is. And that goes along with people experiencing cancer, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, etc. And just assuming that this is the way it's always got to be. And we do nothing about fixing the systems that get us there.

Eric Dagati 26:39  

And that's really your that's the paradigm in which in which you see if there is a professional and you know, there's an old fable two salesmen that go out and they go out in the middle of a tribal area, and they, they're selling shoes, and they call back to the office. And the first guy says, This is terrible. These tribes, they don't wear any shoes, we're not gonna make any money here. And the second salesman calls back says, this is a goldmine, no one has shoes, we're gonna make a killing here, right? So if you can be that, that that trainer, that therapist, that coach that can distinguish yourself, there is so much out there, alright to be had. Because what you have is you have a, you have this perfect storm of people who are more and more sedentary however more and more lifestyle diseases they have, but they have more and more disposable income. And there are more discerning client than the guys I was walking into a gym with the first time I walked into a gym, you know, 3540 years ago, is that you have clients who are who are sharp enough that are business people that are that are savvy people and experienced people that know the difference that if you can show them that difference, that they will be loyal to you forever. And if you can be the person that can have the gym where people doesn't, people don't get hurt, right? Where you can be that, that that clinician that, hey, not only did they get me out of pain, but he actually got me back on my skis, he actually got me back to, to where I can play with my grandkids again, and actually made it about me and got me to another place beyond just the lowest common denominator, there is so much out there for you that you should never have to even worry about a lead generation.

Ari Gronich 28:31  

That that is that is true. I agree. There's plenty to be had. If, if you know how to get the job done and get that word out about it. I believe that the industry needs a little bit of a revolution. And one of my feelings is that there's a set of of modalities in the industry that need to combine. And if I'm going to be honest about it, I think that chiropractors physical therapists, massage therapists, deos and athletic trainers and personal trainers need to actually be taught all the same stuff and combined into one cohesive industry or modality or profession. Because the body is not separated into joints, muscles, nerves, bones, it's all one unit and we treat the body currently with the separation. So you have a chiropractor who will adjust you and then you know you go and you sit in your car and you twist and 10 minutes later you're out of place. So you go to the massage therapist who starts working on the muscles right By then your bones are already back out of place, then you got to go to the PT to do the joint work. And then you got to find the personal trainer. So you could actually train to get stronger. And I just it's, it seems to me kind of asinine that you'd have to do all of this separate work, go to four or five different offices, fill out four or five different kinds of forms, take four or five different tests with doctors and practitioners who are not talking to each other, right? And then assume that you're going to get the results that you want to get, and that we're going to give the results that they that people deserve. So what do you think of that theory of mine?

Eric Dagati 30:45  

So 18 years ago, is when I opened up my facility, and my vision was that under the same roof, we would have chiropractors, physical therapists, nutrition, yoga. And we did we had, as well as personal trainers, strength and conditioning coaches. And that was my vision. And when I started it, it was, you know, unheard of like, nobody was really thinking of that in the early 2000s. And then what's happened is, you've seen now where you have these multidisciplinary centers, but like you said, it is more of a farmers market of Okay, there's the butcher there, there's the fish market here, there's the vegetables here, but nobody is telling me, Hey, here's how you make the meal. Here's what you need from this, here's we need from that and not not having that communication. That was something I was very big on. And that's why I think there definitely needs to be a lot more cross communication, a lot more cross cross breeding of the education between there. And the the, the fear that that I think a lot of people have initially is to say, Oh, well, that's going to, that's going to infringe on my turf, or it's going to think it's going to make trainers think and this happened when I was taking all PT when I was taking PT courses, and I'm learning surely Sargon and Vladimir yonder, and I'm learning this stuff. And people are saying, well, you're a trainer while you're doing that, and you want to be a physical therapist, I said, No, I want to know what I need. Or I don't want to know when it when it gets to the edge of my, my scope? And then what then what do i do and who do I call. And so that's why I want to know enough to know when I need someone for this and that it's out of my scope. So if anything, it keeps me inside my guard rails more than anything else. So having that mutual respect to say, Look, I've gotten to the point where I have a stuck SI joint, I can't move that thing. That's not for me to do. So if you could do that, I can do some stuff. Once it's moving, that that'll kind of keep it from going back there. And we can meet back in the middle and talk shop on that. So I am I am of wholehearted belief that we definitely need to drop down those those boundaries a whole lot more. And we can get a lot more done. And if the initial fear again is, Hey, I'm going to lose business from this. But yeah, I've never worked with a another referral source if I'm referring to a PT Cairo, whoever it may be, that when we've had conversations, and we've done this type of no look pass through each other. That wasn't I didn't get more referrals from that then then the other way around.

Ari Gronich 33:25  

Yeah, you know, I was known as, I guess the chiropractor's chiropractor in LA, I had, I think somewhere close to 5060 chiropractors, that all would come to me. And I'm not a chiropractor. And that was really fascinating. And then the next part that was fascinating is maybe two or three of them ever sent me clientele. They all wanted me to work on them, but send me clientele, ah, because of this fear. And I just I think frankly, the fear is silly because you can have 10 chiropractors on the same street in LA and you're still not going to even come close to matching, you know, population density here, or you know what you need to I there's just I don't have any clients available. There's none available. Now. There's plenty of them available, whether it's the main streets of LA or the main streets of you know, Salem, Oregon, doesn't really matter, middle of nowhere, everywhere. There's plenty of clients for people you know, to get. But do you deserve them? Are you going to be good enough? And I guess the place where integrated clinics to me are necessary, but have fallen short is in their communication. Because you could go to an interdisciplinary clinic that nobody talks to each other. So the chiropractor says, Go see my massage therapist. Okay? But what is that massage therapist going to do to specifically help the chiropractor with what he needs to do or she needs to do in order to affect the results of that patient and the injury that they may have? That's the question. And so, but nobody's talking to each other. And so you go into these places, and you go to the the therapist, the chiropractor, the PT, but nobody's having, there's no cohesive plan of action that they're doing. And I think that that is because people don't speak the same language. One speaks the nerve language, one speaks the muscle language, one speaks to joint language. And if we were to bring our professions together more, then we might get better outcomes from them. And that doesn't mean like you said, that you have to be the jack of all trades, it means you need to know enough about the body that you're affecting, to know if what you're affecting, is going to negatively affect something else.

Unknown Speaker 36:25  

Right.

Eric Dagati 36:26  

So to steal from Kelly Starrett, he calls, he calls it being a savage generalist of what he sees really being the, the the leader of the future in our field and being able to, to not just be a mile deep, but also be a mile wide. And you know, David Epstein's book range, he talks about this and you can have, you know, if you have that multidisciplinary center where nobody's communicating, it's like, five, six people digging these parallel tunnels, but they never poke their head up to see where the the person next so they can, if they just were to join forces, they wouldn't have to, they can get a lot more done in less time. So having that ability to, to know a little bit outside of where you're at. And not this is where I was talking about where we can get so deep down a rabbit hole of talking about and I deal a lot with, with baseball athletes, and we get into the, into the minutiae, sometimes about pitchers exact degrees of hip rotation, when they when we're missing a bigger picture that this Okay, this person is, this guy's, you know, 25% body fat and, and has breathing issues and doesn't sleep and has other issues that are much bigger problems. That's not to say that, that hip rotation is not important. It's just not our primary thing right now. And so if I can get a more global approach first, sometimes a lot of those local things clean up. And that's what we kind of started as people when we do like some movement, work with them. And and we'll say, Okay, I could find 20 things wrong with you on an evaluation. But we can maybe do one toe touch drill, one breathing drill, and five of those things clear up without even directly working on that any of those things. And that's what kind of gets people to see if there's a global system that kind of overrides all of this. And like you said, it, we're not just a bunch of wires and parts, it would make our lives a lot easier, quite frankly, if you could. But this is a human dynamic that we're dealing with. It's that there's a that there's a, you know, there's a structural side, too, but there's also a physiological chemical side to and there's a mental spiritual side to that. And all those things interact. And you can't necessarily undo some of those things with structural approaches. So we have to kind of appreciate that. There's the big picture, the holistic view of it.

Ari Gronich 38:57  

Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate that. And so here's my, my question. This is, this is a game we're gonna play for the next few minutes. Okay. It's the game of solving the world problem. Amen. So, we have this problem where obesity, disease, inflammation, health has gone out of control. This is, this is a scenario that I'm going to call a false scenario, even though it's true. Okay, so we have this scenario. And all of the people have been brainwashed to think that the thing that's going to solve their issue is the thing that is going to hurt them and the thing that's going to hurt them is the thing that's going to solve their issue. For example, sugar versus fat, right? That bad sugar good. This is what people have been told for, you know, lots of years. So we're gonna just kind of name that. So somebody comes into you into see you that has this array of issues. Okay? In five minutes, let's solve their this person's issue. So I'm going to pretend like I'm him, and I want you to pretend like you're you. And you're gonna start as I

Unknown Speaker 40:37  

do every day,

Ari Gronich 40:39  

right? You're gonna start this process because I want I want people to kind of get an idea of what they're missing when they go to people who aren't qualified.

Unknown Speaker 40:50  

Okay, let's have some fun. Right?

Unknown Speaker 40:53  

So

Ari Gronich 41:01  

I just knocked. Okay, I came, I came in your office. So you're starting with me?

Eric Dagati 41:10  

Okay, so the first question I asked every single time is what brings you here? Why are you here?

Ari Gronich 41:17  

Yeah, you know, I just, I've got so many things happening. I'm so stressed. And I just want to function at my peak so I can feel good.

Eric Dagati 41:30  

Okay, so explain what your peak is. Because a lot of people, you're going to come in today, tomorrow and yesterday with different ideas what that peak is, what does that look like for you?

Ari Gronich 41:41  

Yeah, you know, I don't know, I've never really been at a peak. So I'm looking forward to experiencing what a peak might look like.

Eric Dagati 41:49  

Okay. So So that being said, So why aren't you there now? Like, what what's the biggest thing hold you back?

Ari Gronich 41:56  

Well, you know, I've got this massive inflammation. I've been told I'm insulin resistance. I eat what I feel is pretty, pretty healthy and pretty good. But, you know, I don't know cuz I'm just eating what I get. But um, you know, I'm just feeling kind of foggy. Mostly.

Eric Dagati 42:20  

Okay. Tell me tell me Have you? You haven't really felt that peak? Have you? Have you felt anywhere closer? Anything that you felt like you're on the on the right path at any point? Like, have you done anything? That's work?

Ari Gronich 42:33  

No, I just always kind of have felt this low level of energy.

Eric Dagati 42:37  

Okay, and then have you have you done a bunch of things that haven't worked? Meaning like, if you're burying the person kind of bounces diet to diet or workout to work out? Like, tell me a little bit about the history with that?

Ari Gronich 42:48  

Oh, yeah. So you know, weightwatchers when I was 14, you know, I, let's see, I did the subway diet for a little bit. Tried to Atkins. I did the Paleo for a little bit. I did some intermittent fasting. I know this is not in the right order. But you know, it's just things that I tried. Definitely, definitely. I tried to be a vegan for a little while vegetarian for a while. Didn't didn't really help.

Eric Dagati 43:20  

Okay. Any reason why you think any of those failed, was it you think it was like a time thing? Was it discipline? Was it? What was about those things that you think didn't work?

Ari Gronich 43:30  

I really don't know. Okay, that's why I tried them. And when they didn't work, I stopped trying them.

Eric Dagati 43:38  

Got it. Alright, so and then tell me about your your history with exercise. What have you done? Anything that's worked and work things you like things you didn't like?

Ari Gronich 43:46  

Yeah. So I've been an athlete my whole life, but I can't really do much anymore because the injuries what kind of injuries? Yeah, shoulder injuries, back injuries, neck injuries, knee injuries, ankle injury?

Eric Dagati 43:58  

Do I still bother you now? Oh, yeah. And what kind of stuff makes what would make that worse?

Ari Gronich 44:07  

It really just depends on the minute and the motion in that minute. Or the second, you know, really, it's like the second so I could walk and be walking and be perfectly fine. And then all of a sudden I'm step and my back goes out or you know, I could be playing tennis and be perfectly fine. And then all of a sudden, I can't move.

Eric Dagati 44:32  

Got it. So it's it's kind of life with the fingers crossed. Sounds like pretty much Yeah, kinda want to go out and do you want to go out and exercise and do the stuff but not sure if today is going to be the day that your body will allow you to do it. Yeah, right.

Ari Gronich 44:45  

Exactly.

Unknown Speaker 44:46  

Okay, so that being said, as the first thing I want to be able to figure out is is not to tell you what to do. I want to be able to tell you what not to do. All right. And and the the first words you've ever heard of the Hippocratic Oath are do no harm. All right, and So, unfortunately, where we got into the place with with exercise is that we're getting people hurt in the gym, right? And so I want to make sure the first thing I'm able to do is get you to move without hurting, and how am I going to know how to do that, I got to figure out which movements work and which ones don't, everything you do in the life comes down to a subset of about six to eight basic movements, I want to be able to look at those movements objectively. So we put you through a quick movement screen. And then from there, I can tell which movements Do we need to either do one of three things do we need to avoid them altogether, and maybe even get them checked out, maybe this is something I can't handle, maybe it's something that we need a chiropractor or physical therapist for, or to maybe there's something that's not optimal, but I think we can make them better in terms of doing some exercises that might clean up some of those movement flaws that you may have. But at the same time, I want to see which ones are most importantly, which ones you don't have an issue with, because those are the ones we're going to train. Alright, and those are the ones we're going to actually exercise so you can come back more resilient and stronger the next time, so but I need to know what not to do in the first place. Because if you get the you know, we could have a great workout today. But if you're hurting tomorrow, you're not coming back. So that's the first thing we're gonna do. And then the second thing is we're going to look at your nutrition, the same way we look at that your movement is to say, I don't know which ones are good or bad from you, I want to look at what is what I want to look at your habits of how you're reading now. So what I'm going to do is write down everything he drank for the next three days. And then you're going to give that to me, and we'll just kind of sit down. And we're not going to fix everything and it doesn't mean you're going to eat, you know, steamed broccoli for the rest of your life, it means we're going to look at this and say, Okay, well, where's your weakest link, it may be when you eat, it may be what you eat, it may be how you combine the foods that you eat. But most of it, what we found is about habits. And so the last piece of this is that we were not going to look at this in terms of workouts, we're not going to look at this in terms of diets, right? We didn't have a lot of these things that you're talking about 1000 years ago, right, we didn't have a lot of the low back pain, we didn't have a lot of the the weight issues that we have now. But we also didn't have workouts either, right. And so we just had good habits, and whether it was movement habits, or whether it was or feeding habits, or whether it was what I call reset habits, right because there's kind of three buckets that we have to look at here. We need you to move and move well. Alright, and then once you can move well, then you can move off and which means you can go play tennis, you can go play golf everywhere, then we need to look at your fuel, right, and that's fuel that you're going to talk about that you know obviously what you're putting in your body, what you drink, what you eat the fuel, which put in your head, you know if and that's that's kind of the the mental side of things. And we're gonna affect that by the books, you read the TV, we watch the people we hang around with the things you tell yourself, you know, those are the things that are going to talk about the fuel that's going in. So we're going to look at that. And then the last piece is the reset, is that I can only push you as far as you can recover, because we already discussed before that that building doesn't happen here. The we challenge you here, you the building happens the other 23 hours I set you out on the day. So we need to make sure you get the right reset in there. And whether that's breathing, whether that's sleeping correctly, all those things are things we need to consider as well. But we're to look at, that's gonna sound overwhelming. Initially, I need to kind of get a picture of where you're at from a movement standpoint, where you're at from a fuel standpoint, and you know, the questionnaire or what have you fill out, it's gonna tell me a little about your reset standpoint. And then we're gonna see where the biggest issue is, and the big issue, then we start from there. And then we're gonna say, here's your habit for this week that you got to work on. From a movement standpoint, here's your habit, from a fuel standpoint, here's your habit from a reset standpoint. And then once you can check that box and you've you've kind of passed that lesson, then I'm going to give you another one, and I got plenty of you're never gonna run out of lessons. So we're gonna take this as far as you're willing to go. But you can't get to lesson two and two, you've passed lesson one, and that's going to be our process.

Ari Gronich 49:07  

Awesome. So the only thing I think that I would like to add to that, and I you know, I did this so that the audience can hear what they're missing from the people that they're going to because this is the way to do a proper assessment is take the the time and this is obviously condensed greatly, but take the time to ask these questions to provide this kind of a proper plan and explanation of the plan. But the one thing that I would add is, I always ask the questions about the person's family and the person's history emotionally with food mentally, and with with, you know, what is stopping them. I'll ask them about their family if and their friends are Their family and friends, like into barbecues every week. Are they you know, going out and drinking all the time? are they telling you? And are they, you know, basically pushing you to do and participate with them in behaviors that may not be good for you specifically. So I'll get into all of that as well. But But yeah, this is this is very good. Thank you for, for doing that and playing that game with me.

Eric Dagati 50:31  

Absolutely. And then and then letting them know, along that so if we look at that triad of health of chemical, mental, structural, there's things we can control. And there's things we can't structurally I'd love to be taller, it's not happening, right? But there's things we can control. And what we want to look at is what are the factors you can control? And then from there, how willing are you to establish what I call non negotiable habits to say, okay, you he that part of what my days that you're going to do this breathing exercise for 10 minutes every single day, and no, no matter it's snow, hail, sleet, rain, sun, whatever, you're going to get that 10 minutes, and then that just becomes part of what you do. And that's so different than, you know, nobody goes around complaining all day saying, brushing my teeth is killing me morning night, brushing my teeth, it just became part of an accepted non negotiable habit that you don't think of not brushing your teeth, it's just part of what you do. And then we're gonna establish habits like that for you, I don't know what the non negotiables are going to be for you. But you're going to have to decide on those and you can't let outside influences steer you off that course.

Ari Gronich 51:35  

Right? Well, for me non negotiable. You know, I only brush my teeth once every two months.

Eric Dagati 51:45  

And if that works, it's hard for me to argue with you. Yeah.

Ari Gronich 51:51  

So we've kind of gone through some of how an audience member might choose differently when they're choosing their therapists or trainers or people. What's the number one thing that you might say to a trainer, therapist person, if they're operating under the standards of care. And they are afraid of moving away from that in order to actually get results because of being investigated or having licenses looked at? I know a lot of chiropractors have moved under that functional medicine by taking away their DC and and joining organizations like the pastoral Medical Association, for instance, in order to basically shift their liabilities. But what would you say to somebody who is looking at the system and going, this is not working. And I'd really like to see it change, because I do like activists.

Unknown Speaker 53:06  

So

Eric Dagati 53:07  

I think the more you can prove that you can get to this same point faster, it's going to leave you time to do those types of things that you want. And not so much to your point in the scope of practice. But But let's say if you get really good at at your assessment piece, and the ability to kind of ascertain what someone needs, you can sharp shoot much more what it is that you want to do in terms of treatment. So, you know, it goes back to you know, Abraham Lincoln said, if he gave me, you know, five hours to cut down the tree, I'm gonna spend the first four and a half sharpening the blade. And so if you can really dial in your assessment, while the the therapist at the table next to me or the trainer on the floor next to me is spending three weeks trying to figure out how to address this issue, I get it done in in three days. Because I took more time off, I invested the time up front, and I was able to sharp shoot as opposed to taking the shotgun approach to everything. Now what that does is the other 27 days or that I have that you don't have that you were kind of fumbling in doing trial and error. It gives me the freedom to do a lot more things. Okay, and it gives me a freedom to do a lot more things in that. Were the biggest constraint for a lot of people is especially therapists is time will say, Well, now Yeah, I just opened up some more time for you here. Just you got to make the deal to you know, if it's the head of the clinic to say I tell you what if I can get this done and get them to where I need to, in less time, just don't shove more clients in I make more patients in my schedule more clients on my schedule. Let me use that time to do more things with them. And that's going to allow me to get them back on the skis. Get them to be able to do the things that they ultimately came here for not just to be void of their their knee pain. And the same thing goes on on the training side to say, I want to be able to say I can do a whole lot more for you than you even expected. But to do that, I have to make sure I'm really dialed in and efficient with my time. And that's meaning, I need to know how to sharp shoot this thing, and not just take the shotgun approach of this for that, and I'm gonna try out 90 different exercises today, where if I can really dial it down to the one or two that you need, that gives me the rest of the time to really to, to grow and do more different things.

Ari Gronich 55:32  

Yeah, test test, test, test, test, test, test, test. And then fire.

Unknown Speaker 55:41  

Yes. So yeah, measure to

Ari Gronich 55:43  

measure twice, cut once, right? In our profession, it can be really devastating, to not measure first, and just fire. Right? I mean, we can cause a lot of damage. And that's, that's kind of the the last thing like, we tend to cause a lot of damage these days where, you know, you you mentioned this a little bit earlier, but we tend to cause injuries quite a bit because of our lack of ability to individualize treatments. And you know, that that's a big problem in that we're having, I mean, I know, CrossFit is getting a lot of slack for being the number one most sued system in history for injuries, but that's just one of them. I mean, we do it a lot. So how do we how do you think that we can, as an industry avoid, causing more damage than then we're solving

Eric Dagati 56:50  

the challenges, the damage that we're causing isn't always immediate, right? If every time you did an exercise that was inappropriate for you, you immediately need to go to the hospital, there'd be a running ambulance in front of every gym in America. But it's, it's it's not that it's, it's what happens is, is you do it, and it leaves a little bit of, you know, Chip, and then the next time it's a little bit of a chip, it's kind of like, you know, the Andy defraying, breaking out of the prison and Shawshank Redemption, it just puts a little bit takes a little bit away. And then what happens, that person goes to shovel snow, and they hurt their back and they say, Oh, I hurt my back shoveling snow, no, you hurt your back the last 20 years with your bad posture, bad habits and whatever it was. And that was the proverbial straw that broke it. And so there isn't this one to one aspect of always immediately seeing the result of our poor choices professionally, on our clients and patients. And so because of that, we assume sometimes we're doing better than we really are. And on the end user, they don't automatically make the assumption and our connection, that this is because I'm doing the wrong things in the gym, or I'm getting the wrong type of treatment. And so that's what's that's what makes it challenging is that it's not an absolute one to one immediacy of what you're seeing the results of what we're doing. And so that's where you may not even see the result of you know, it taking it to a philosophical level, that patient that you failed. Now, that is that case scenario we said before, that wants to play tennis that wants to be active. And now all of a sudden, because they failed, they take that burden on themselves, and now they become more sedentary. And that just compiles more and more different risk factors on top of that, and that, you know, I talked about that what we call a fork in the road where we get to see a lot of people. And if you can get someone like yourself from steers them on the right path, how life changing that can be. But if they go and I felt a little better, but it's not good. I just have this pinched nerve. And this is just me, this is my label, this is what I got. And then I'm just gonna let that happen to me. And then I'm going to gain 10 pounds, and that turns into 15. And then I have blood pressure medication and cholesterol medication. Allison, I'm this huge health risk. That's a hugely different different pathway that they went on. And all it needed was the right steering to get on that right road. And so that's what we're not seeing. We're not seeing that once one immediate. So you want to be able to see the client that you failed 10 years down the road, what effect of that half

Ari Gronich 59:32  

that's a that's profound. So I hope that for those trainers and people that are out there listening that are in the profession, I think, I hope that what he just said what Eric just said, really went through to your soul because you don't know what you can't see. And so I mean, I've gotten a lot of clients Coming in, who've been injured by trainers and therapists and people like that, and they'll never tell, they'll never tell the therapist or the trainer that they got hurt on their watch, they just won't show up again. And so all the trainer therapist knows as well, that person didn't show up, I need more leads, right. But they didn't show up because you hurt them. You know. And so sometimes it's like you said, over a long haul, 20 years of creating imbalanced movement and compensation patterns and things like that, and it could be an immediate, you know, I picked up that weight wrong, and, and twisted my back, you know, I mean, I've seen people herniated discs from sneezing and twisting at the same time. So, you know, I just, I want the profession I want the people in the profession, as is, obviously my desire, my selfishness, to really get an idea of the fact that they can either be a purveyor of hope, or they could be a purveyor of hopelessness and fear, you can either create a result that creates a, you know, optimism and high performance, or you can create a result that leads people to sedentary movement, and afraid to go work out. And that's a choice that we all have to make. Eric, you've been a tremendous guest. And I really appreciate you know, this information, I know, it's, I take things into places that are sometimes a little darker than then, you know, we would like because I'm definitely all about, let's expose, to the dark, you know, expose the darkness to the light, so to speak, let's let's take these hidden things that are in our professions and expose them for the world to see. So maybe we get some change in some difference. But anyway, I really appreciate you coming on helping helping to expose some of this stuff. You know, why don't you tell us a little bit about how people could get ahold of you if they'd like to. And any tips or tricks I know you've started, you know, stated a number of them, but any tips or tricks for helping create a new tomorrow today?

Eric Dagati 1:02:33  

Yeah. Well, in terms of finding, finding me could just the easiest place to just go to my website, which is Eric dagati.com. And then you have all my social media and so forth that you can find on there. And feel free to reach out with any questions directly through that. And then in terms of any tips is I go back to those, what I call the three big things of a move, fuel and reset, and don't lose sight of those. And if you're not where you want to be, there's there's something missing in one of those three buckets, if not all of them. And we can get away with having something missing in some of those buckets, if we're strong enough, and the other two to make up for. But you can't drain all three of those. And so looking at making sure do I move well, and if I do move, well, do I move enough? If or do I not move well, but I move too much, right? Any one of those combat combinations is not good. And then the second is fuel, what am I putting into my body, whether it's a, whether it's what I eat, what I drink, or what i what i think and listen to and experience and expose myself to because that all leaves an imprint, just like every cell in your body is made out of, of amino acids from the proteins and, and, and glycogen from from those sugars and fatty acids, a cholesterol from your fats, all your cells are a byproduct of what's your fuel is And the same thing goes for what's going on. On a larger scale. It's your spirit and that's fuel that you put in into your head. And then the last piece is you're giving yourself a chance to reset. And then with that reset that reset doesn't always have to be an external thing. It's meaning that reset doesn't mean that I go to a cryo tank every day or I got a couple $100 massage gun or both things not that that's necessarily a bad thing. But if you're constantly relying on those, you're probably you know, off somewhere else. That Am I sleeping right? And am I getting the right reset? Am I breathing right even those those simple things, if you can check those boxes, then a lot of the other stuff falls into place. So establishing the right habits and those three categories i think is the biggest thing to get started and then you want to get down into the weeds. We can certainly do that but not until you've checked those three boxes.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:01  

Awesome, thank

Ari Gronich 1:05:01  

you so much, Eric for coming on for providing the audience with your education, your wisdom, and, and I look forward to seeing what you create in in our industry and the movement that develops because you're teaching this kind of system and this kind of care to our industry. So thank you very much for that.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:27  

I appreciate the opportunity.

Ari Gronich 1:05:28  

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The initial starting place is that is just that conversation and the art of that conversation and you can and how do you do that? Right and if your motive is selling a training package, then you're already off base. But the asking some Kiko, I've asked like the same six key questions for 20 years, but where it's taken the journey for each individual that's come in the door has been completely unique. And the first question is something as simple as like, why are you here? What is your primary goal? Instead of me trying to sell you on what I do?