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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host Ari Gronich. And remember to LIKE SUBSCRIBE rate review comments below, do all of those things so we can start conversations that matter and create a new tomorrow today. Today with me I have Calvin Corelli. Calvin is a sass founder series, serial entrepreneur and spiritual teacher, he founded a company called some clairo, which is an integrated software platform for coaches, authors, speakers, and other information marketers to run their entire business in one place. So that's pretty cool. But he calls that more Alas, instead of a SAS, which is love as a service versus software as a surface. So, you know, your your mission is amazing. And I'm gonna let you tell a little bit more about who you are, why you created this platform, but more than anything, what what it is that you think the world needs to do, and us, you know, in it can do to make the world a little bit better place. So we'll get started with with just kind of your, your quick bio, tell us a little bit about how you became who you are.

Calvin Correli 1:37  

Absolutely, yeah, thank you so much. I super appreciate you having me on here. Looking forward to the conversation with you today. I started simpler. So I was born and raised in Denmark and and, you know, was building always sort of arms when we're both my parents were entrepreneurs, I got into computers and programming super early when I was like five or six years old, and got off to a good start on my career, always working pretty much always working for myself, I had one job for a company in Boston, or just around the year 2000. But that was it. But then I really got into struggling as an entrepreneur really kind of struggling all around as a human being to be honest, I felt like I had failed as a as a father as a husband, as a son to my parents as an entrepreneur, on all levels. And so it really got me down this path of soul searching of discovering, questioning beliefs, learning to feel I was I grew up like I don't you can recognize this from yourself or clients, right? That like just not able to feel a thing. It was like I was living from my neck up. And all of his feeling stuff was like, a mystery. And it was just every once in a while would explode. So I went through that process of therapy and coaching and body therapy and working with a spiritual teacher. And that was what led to a moment where I was like, you know, finally asking myself the question, What am I here to do? What is it I really want to do versus just trying to be successful, just trying to make money just trying to make ends meet? Right. And that was what I sat down one day, and and in that process, sort of arrived the answer to me, I'm here to integrate spirituality and entrepreneurship. At the core, we're not spiritual on Sundays, or, you know, sort of, you know, on the side, it's, it's at the heart of what I do for a living what I do in business, my my company's here to be an integral part of my spiritual mission, if you will, my life purpose. And I was like, what I realized is that that's really how we can solve all of the challenges that we're facing as humanity is by it's not through government. It's not through, you know, nonprofits, because business business is at the core of like creation. And if business has done well, it can really solve all of the challenges that we're facing. And I mean, business is just a collection of people coming together to solve problems. That's kind of all it is, right. Yeah. So yeah. So.

Ari Gronich 4:25  

So then, you know, my contrarian point of view in life is, so if business is at the heart of the possibility of solving the world's problems, why do you think we've allowed companies, as conglomerations of people to do things that are the antithesis of solving the world's problems? More on the side of creating issues where there maybe previously weren't any issues? Right? Yeah.

Calvin Correli 4:59  

So I mean, Good question, right? Like, I think the short answer is because we're humans, right? Because I mean, it's not isolated to two companies, obviously governments do, you know, their fair share problems. I think anytime humans come together, we we create a mess because we are a mess, which is why for me the goal really is to raise the the conscious level I talked about physical, mental, emotional, spiritual maturity, those four, right? Physical, we got to be healthy body and mind are not separate, right? If your body is a mess, your mind is a mess. Mental learning to question your beliefs, just you know, realizing that you are not your thoughts, you are not your ideas about yourself, right? emotional maturity, learning to not suppress feelings, not vomit them out and identify with your feelings, but just feel them and let them flow through you. And spiritual in the sense of having a sense of a bigger purpose in life, some sort of meaning without it or lost, right. And they all tie together. And and so once that happens, and we grow up as people, I think I bet you would agree the most, quote unquote adults in the world right now are really kind of children emotionally, physically, mentally, spiritually, right? It just happened to be in a in a in an adult body. So there is really is like a big massive maturity that needs to happen in the world. If we want to solve these problems, and once that happens, solving the problems becomes fairly easy. And then business and government can become a vehicle for solving those challenges. But when it's done unconsciously, yeah, it's gonna have the opposite effect.

Ari Gronich 6:46  

Yeah, it's interesting. Some of the statistics that I've that I've heard, and and research is that people are approximately the age of their first major trauma. And

Calvin Correli 6:59  

don't make sense. Yeah,

Ari Gronich 7:00  

over that first major trauma happened, they kind of you kind of get locked in, yep, the maturity level of that age. And then anytime something triggers that the same feeling that happened with that trauma, you revert back to that age of a person and that reaction and those kinds of things. So it's kind of an interesting way of looking at it and perspective. And, you know, in my world, as a, as a therapist, and healer, and so on, the only way to solve that problem is to go after the issues that are in the tissues, so to speak. Or, you know, you have a some somatic trauma, which basically means a trauma to your physical self. And the only way to heal that trauma is to go directly to where that trauma occurred. And so an emotional trauma almost always happens in the body, as well. So when you look at like Chinese medicine, anger lives in liver wery, lives in the kidneys, the sweetness of life in your pancreas, the lungs are joy, you know, feeling joy, your stomach is contentment. And so these emotions, you can imagine anytime somebody says, right, you know, I'm feeling this this, you know, little queasiness in my gut? Well, that's an emotion that's creating a physical response. Right?

Unknown Speaker 8:43  

Yeah.

Ari Gronich 8:44  

Tell us how, how you've come along this, this journey of finding out that, you know, you were having some of these kinds of issues, and what did you do? Like, I mean, that the actual steps that you took to start the process of healing, and let's go with the beginning of that process, because, you know, I know a lot of people, it's the beginning that they struggle with the most. Yeah,

Calvin Correli 9:13  

so let me just on what you were saying with the issue in the tissue and the ages for so I was fortunate because I'm from Denmark, I discovered there's a there's a therapy form there called body SDS, which is body therapy. It's a system that's developed in Denmark by this incredible genius has passed now, but they're like third and fourth generation are now actively, you know, working on it, my friend, I've become friend with the founder of the education there. He's 5657 karate champion and has educated 600 therapists over there. So it's one of my projects is actually to bring that to the US because I have tried a ton of different things and this is just so powerful. I really getting to those calls. Core wounds in the body, because a lot of this stuff is you can't really get to it with words, because it's pre cognition. And so the body is such a powerful tool. So I'm so with you on that. And one a part of my journey has been to rediscover my relationship with my masculine side and with my father. And so that was a very deliberate process of, of reconnecting with sort of like an six, eight year old version of myself, and then figuring out how to reparent him up to being you know, a young, healthy adult. But that's more recent, that was like three years ago that that journey started for me. The the going back in time to answer your question was like, the beginning. I think, very early moment was in 2003, when, when a friend of mine I had I had called an advisory board meeting for my company. And I brought some some really smart friends of mine, people that I knew. And afterwards, one of them looked me in the eyes and you're like, dude, we've been here for three hours, and I still don't know what you want. And there's something in that question that just made me like, wow, like, you know, how those like questions that just open open a gap in your consciousness, your mind somewhere, you're like, wait, I didn't know that there was a, like any, like, a bit, there was a hole here. But now there is, it was like, I didn't know that you were allowed to watch anything in business. I thought it was all like, you know, oh, we just do business stuff. And, and then I was like, I didn't know what I wanted. I just wanted to be, quote unquote, successful. So that I would feel okay or worthy. I didn't have any clue what I wanted. And I think that was the moment that sort of sparked that realization that I don't know what I want. Because I can't feel a thing. I can't feel myself. And so one of the things I did was my mom had a friend, who was a therapist, really interesting guy, by the way. So he had started as a surgeon doing breast operations on women with breast cancer. And what he had noticed was that they all had the same psychological pattern. There was resentment towards men, and there's resentment towards their own femininity, and serious like, what is that and so he hates went back to school to study psychology, because he's like, hey, if I can solve this before I have to cut these ladies breasts off, that would kind of be a lot better. And so that was what he did. He he's passed now, but that was what he dedicated his life to since then. And so I, I kind of found his phone number and gave him a call. And I was like, Hey, I think I need some help here. I think I need to talk to a therapist, and I was terrified. I was terrified of admitting that I wouldn't, I didn't want my parents to know, I didn't want any of my friends to know, I had this idea that if you need to talk to a therapist, you're really broken. Right? That's kind of admitting defeat, like, at that point, you might as well go kill yourself. But then, like, I wasn't gonna do that. So this was as close as they got. But that was really my belief system was that there had to be something terribly wrong with you, if you needed that, like I learned. Everybody needs help, right? We're all kind of, you know, messed up with their from our, from our upbringing, and it's our job to go sort out that mess, right? reparent ourselves, because our parents probably didn't do a great job. But that was like, it was a big step for me. I'll tell you just admitting that I needed help. And yeah, that was, that was my first step. And then like, once I got going on that I was like, let's, you know, I hired a coach at one point that felt kind of safe to write like business coaching. Yeah, that's good. hired a coach and she was like, a couple sessions into it. She was like, you should you should take this coach education and learn to become a coach. I

was like, wait, me, like, I'm a tear. I'm not a people person. Everybody tells me I'm terrible with people, like what would I do doing that? But I did, and I loved it. And so, you know, and I remember thinking like, Alright, once I've taken this education, then I know everything there is to know about like psychology, like, you know, humans and how their brains work. Yeah, no.

Ari Gronich 14:34  

It's a pretty deep topic. Yeah, absolutely. So you know, if you were to just take a look behind the scenes, so to speak behind the curtain at what it is that is at the root cause of kind of all of this. Let's say opposition to nature. Right, which is opposition to nature, meaning we don't do the things that we know to do to feel good. Like, connect with community and family on a regular basis. That's something we've studied, we know that the people who do that live the longest are the happiest, etc. We don't do that here. So why don't you kind of break apart or break down for us some of the things that you've found to be solutions for kind of the, the state we find ourselves in as far as emotionally drained, I mean, you obviously we see all of the current suicides and abuse and protests and dissatisfaction with the world as as it is. And then we'll get into kind of my perspective on it, is, we created this shit out of our imagination. And now we're complaining about it rather than fixing it. So if we can realize that we've made this whole thing up, maybe we can start the process of making it better. So what what is your take on from your education, the experiences that you've had, on what it is that we would need to do, to kind of come back to that natural way of being with each other and with ourselves? Yeah.

Calvin Correli 16:43  

I think at the root of it is us believing our thoughts. I like we believe that the thoughts that are in our heads are true, right? And that they have something valuable to tell us, which sometimes they do. But oftentimes, they don't, right. If you could imagine living in a state where there are no thoughts or that whatever thoughts are, they're just kind of passing by, and you're not, you know, attached to them like meditation, right? Once you do that, in that state, inside, you will find every single time is this sense of spaciousness, and joy. And you're just present in the present moment, right? There's never any dissatisfaction in that, never ever, right? It doesn't exist, right? The dissatisfaction only exists, because we're telling ourselves a story about something that should be the way it's not. And then we become unhappy, right? That's the only way that happens. And it happens reflexively. And will, like, we can still have feelings in that state in that thoughtless state, you will, but they pass through quickly, right? Like, they just like, you know, they're just waves and we ride the wave and then it's gone. And then it's out. Right? So it's, it's when we when we get stuck in our belief patterns, and then that we do that so habitually, that it really gets in and becomes part of our biochemistry, right. Like if it infects our liver. I remember you mentioned with the lamprey liver and the anger, right that I saw studies some years ago, where they gave multivitamins to prison inmates and violence in the prison dropped, because it actually helped their liver, and then they're less violent, right? It's like, these things are tied together. So I really think at the at the root of it is our believing in our thoughts. Like, Oh, I got it, I'm behind, I gotta rush I got like, all these things, right? And then we, then we just, like, stop being present with ourselves. And then with others. I mean, that's, that's the route.

Ari Gronich 18:58  

So you've had I'm sure a lot of clients, a lot of people pass through your your software, so you get to see a lot of data. What do you think is the number one thought that you've seen with your clients the number one thing that is recurring amongst the people that that you've talked to your clients, the data that you've seen, that number one thing that's stopping people from being happy, the number one thought that's keeping them out of, you know, being in life fully?

Calvin Correli 19:40  

Yeah, it's, I just need to get to here and then I will write I just need like, no more customers or I just need like this to change or my health or whatever it is. It's kind of like that, you know, like the, the horse or the donkey with a carrot on a stick out in front. Right. And that's how we live our lives, like, I just get to get this, like, finish with with school, then I gotta get this degree, then I gotta get this job, then I just gotta get this promotion, then I just gotta get like, whatever it is right? Like, you know, I'll just have to find a good partner and then, like, have kids then like when the kids are in school, when they're out of school, like when they leave, like, and then we wake up one day, and we're old and retired. And we're like, oh, yeah, like all the things that we were going to do. And now we don't have the health or the energy or, you know, the desire anymore. It's, it's so habitual for us to always be looking to the future.

Unknown Speaker 20:41  

Hmm.

Ari Gronich 20:42  

I'm so looking to the future. When I look to the future, because you know, and I'll take a saying, out of context and out of probably exact, exact repeating, so it's, it's me just paraphrasing, but a man's grasp, or reach should exceed his grasp, or else what's heaven for? Yeah, that's the saying. And yeah, dia is that you're reaching much, much, much further than you think you possibly can grasp? Because that's how you reach to heaven. Right. But that seems to be what you just said is something that is causing people a lot of anguish and emotional drainage and, and pain. Yeah. Yeah,

Calvin Correli 21:40  

that's challenges. There's a concept that I talked about, which is the satisfied drive. Right. So I love that like divine dissatisfaction, It's never good enough. We're always striving to do better, we're always going for more, I think that's a natural part of life, right? It trees constantly growing. But that doesn't mean that you have to be dissatisfied with where you're at. Right? It's that feeling that like, Okay, this, I'm unhappy right now, because I feel unworthy. That was my thing, right? I'm not worthy until I'm, I'm successful to some metric, whatever arbitrary metric that was, sometimes it would be like, I have to have a company with 50 employees. I think that's because my mom's software company, she grew it to about 50. Other times, it was like, I have to have Bill Gates level wealth before I turn 30. That was a little bit more challenging, and challenging. And it was gonna waver, right? In order to prove myself worthy of even existing, right, that's not a good place to be in. It's not right. So it's really the ability to love ourselves. And love life as it is love the present moment love reality, exactly as it is right now. And yet still be driven out of love, but not out of fear, not out of unworthiness, and needing to prove ourselves but but out of the love of creating stuff of expressing yourself and putting it out there. That's where we want to, that's where we want to create from. Right, right. And

Ari Gronich 23:15  

so the question becomes, you know, we were in this interesting world, at the moment, where there is the perception of a massive amount of problem, meaning, we're being locked down or being shut down, we're being censored, all these kinds of things, right. And so, the complaining is, at this level of unimaginable, worldwide, whining, you know, so to speak. The people that I've talked to, that I that I like to talk to, are the people who are creating solutions, who are pivoting who are moving towards something else. And that gives them a sense of value. And what you're talking about with this unworthiness, I think that this is a bigger issue, then. Then we talk about for sure. How many people and this is going out to the audience right now? How many of you have felt unworthy in your life? Not just unworthy? Until but unworthy, even though, even though I've already been a success, even though I've already made a massive impact, even though so if you're a leader in the world right now, and you're still feeling that, I'm unworthy thing, so how do you unpack that? worthy thing for your clients because i don't think that most people understand how to unpack that that's such an ingrained human mindset place to be

Unknown Speaker 25:15  

yeah

Calvin Correli 25:18  

i think i agree and i think and relate it to is the sense of guilt right guilt for for for a hat maybe having achieved and you don't again quite feel worthy of it and then that leads to sense of guilt or you know sense of privilege or whatnot yeah to me it's it's one of the things that tends to work for me is to just say alright so what

Unknown Speaker 25:45  

so what

Calvin Correli 25:46  

maybe i am unworthy that can i can i just accept that can i live with that like what is it really it's it's it's a belief right that starts a feeling and then that feeling we like label as something unwanted like oh i don't want this like a bad feeling right we don't even really feel it but we just don't want it there's a saying that i love which is every any struggle is a struggle to avoid feeling a certain feeling and so we just go out of our ways to avoid touching that thing that makes us feel unworthy instead of going the other way and just being like alright let me just feel it and then let me one of the things i love to do is instead of like going into sort of the label of the feeling of unworthiness just what is the sensation is it like a slight vibration in my chest is it like tingling since it is like what is the physical sensation forget the label forget the thoughts just focus on your body and when you go to that really unworthy place like what is what is it the body sensation and then just breathe into that and allow it to expand and expand and just like roll with it enjoy it and what you realize oh it's actually kind of fun it's a little ticklish is little you know it's you realize it's not dangerous at all it's not scary at all and then it stops having this this power over you and maybe it's okay like instead of being like oh no i want to prove that i am worthy like go away stupid unworthiness feeling right just allow yourself to maybe maybe i am unworthy unworthy for what what does it even mean right and then starts to kind of break down

Ari Gronich 27:33  

right bucky fuller who's an inspiration for the show he was kind of the inspiration for my book and you tomorrow i don't know if you know who buckminster fuller was but do one of his quotes and i'm gonna bastardize this you know pretty good but it's we have to get over the auspicious notion that people need to work in order to be a value there is currently and this was back in the 60s he says there's currently approximately 10,000 people on the planet that have the technology and creativity to create enough technology that nobody else on the planet will even need to work let alone have that be the their value system so you know going with this thought since i completely paraphrased the actual quote but going with the thought that we don't need to work to be of value that completely goes against the nature of this country at least of the united states and a lot of countries as well as that we need to work in order to be a value and yet we end up working 40 to 80 hours of you know a week of of the of our life and doing that for 40 plus years and never really living so how do we how do we break that auspicious notion that in order for people to be of value and deserve food and health and life right that they need to be actively working at a thing that may or may not even be the thing that they're you know passionate about good at or wanting to do

Unknown Speaker 29:37  

yeah so here

Calvin Correli 29:38  

here's my thoughts on that i think there's an inherent need for humans to feel of value to be of service to other humans right to do something that other people appreciate and and the way that we show that tend to show that appreciation is with money right that that we exchange values ideas money i think I think that's deep in us, like that need to contribute in some way to to be part of this exchange. I think I do think it's, I think any form of feeling unworthy, or guilty or wrong is unhelpful. I think, you know, self love is superior, I think a lot of the things that people associate with, you know, people being too full of themselves, and that kind of stuff is really, you know, just lack of self love, really. So I'm a huge, I'm a huge fan of self love. So, and there is this tendency, right, like, whenever we get new technologies that allows us to work more efficient, so we'll have more free time. Yeah, right. Right. That never ever happens. Because it just, you know, then it just ups the competition game. And the reality is, we live in it in a competitive world, right? That's just by nature. That's how it works. Right? Like, just in the animal world, it's still a competitive world. So yeah, so I'm not really sure. One thing I'm not personally a fan of the government stepping in. And, and sort of, like, you know, taking over and paying people like, for me, it's like the, the more that we can just do amongst people, amongst ourselves, the better it is so. So I don't, I'm just yeah,

Ari Gronich 31:19  

I'm gonna, I'm gonna kind of put my two cents in here, right at that at this place. The government is people. And I'm, I'm saying that in a way, I want to really drive this home to the audience, the government is people, we made it, we created it, we built the systems around it, we turned it into this massively, you know, massive machinery of of life, but we created it. And I and I'm really, I get really tired of people saying things like the government shouldn't as if it's something separate from We the People, right? Because we the people, are the people that make up the corporations, we make up the government, we make up the rules, we make up the systems and we make up the entire way in which we live by. And I find that people use the government as a really great scapegoat so that they don't have to take any responsibility in what's going on by saying, well, the government shouldn't or the government should, or the government this as if it's something separate from us. And so what I would say to what you just said, is to the audience, if you don't like how big the government is, how slow the government is, how inefficient the government is, how whatever it is that you have an opinion about the government, for you are the person responsible for making that government different. So if we got 50 million people who are really dissatisfied with the government that's made up of, like, 500 600 people, then shouldn't those 50 million people stop the machinery of the government and shift it or do something to change it or, you know, run for office, so you could be a part of the solution versus a part of the problem and the whining? So it's just my controversial side that says, I get it, that people think that these governments are such evil entities, and the people who run them are such agenda driven people. But the fact of the matter is, it's you.

Unknown Speaker 34:00  

Yeah, well, yeah.

Calvin Correli 34:02  

I agree. Like, we we we like for some for some version of we, like people created the government, right. And people run run the government. Yes. Absolutely. And, yeah, and there's there. I think my point is just there's, you know, there's several organizational vehicles with which to achieve certain ends, right. Government is one business is another just neighbor to neighbor or communities or, or, you know, our other vehicles, NGOs or vehicles, nonprofits. So there's different organizational structures that can achieve different things, and some are better suited for certain things than others.

Ari Gronich 34:46  

Right. Really, I and then I can totally agree with and like I said, the only the only caveat I would say is, I don't find anything different about a bureaucrat at a company versus a bureaucrat. government versus a bureaucrat in your home

Calvin Correli 35:04  

right yeah yeah the difference is like the monopoly situation that the government inherently has right whereas if it's a company and then you might presumably have choice assuming that they're not a monopoly but yeah it's it's fascinating how i keep seeing these numbers just anecdotally of like how many people distrust the government and yet keep giving power to the government right it's like wait what's the disconnect here right

Ari Gronich 35:29  

exactly that's cognitive dissonance about who needs to do right so two people i think that we've created a society where you got to work 40 to 80 hours a week just to survive and even that may or may not be a good survival right and in normal jobs and and so people have stopped doing civic kind of work in many cases and and paying attention to the issues of the day and therefore the issues of the day have snowballed and by snowballing now it's like this massive thing versus what could have been something small that just could have been melted away now you've got this massive solid ball of you know rolling ice right right for the town so to speak and and so yeah we you know getting back to a place where people can remember their civic duties in some cases their community duties and and you know i get it politics are all about national international now but getting into your local community government where the initial fraud is happening where the

Unknown Speaker 36:57  

show right

Ari Gronich 36:58  

you know where that's going to be what really affects you the audience the most so anyway that's yeah

Calvin Correli 37:06  

and that's a good point because i was just talking to someone who's who's working with the i forget it was an honestly if it was like new york city or new york state government whatever whatever like the board or like whatever the i don't even know what it's called but like the kind of like congress for the city of the state level and they're just having tremendous trouble just getting people who are willing to run right people who are willing to you know occupy those seats like which is fascinating because like it's work that that you know needs to be done but there's very few people who are willing to do and i totally understand why they're not real i mean i wouldn't do that right like it's i could you know create a much better life and make more money doing doing what i'm doing why would i why would i do that so it is it is kind of fascinating um

i had another thought which was i forget what that was but anyway yes

Ari Gronich 38:04  

yeah i would rather be a consultant to the government than in the government but that's yeah that's just because i like to be artistic sure you know i like to to not have a position i like to not artificially labeled myself as any one thing and i think that when you're a politician we've gotten to a place where you have to label yourself something right so those labels to me as well are part of what helps create this divide

Unknown Speaker 38:36  

right here

Calvin Correli 38:37  

there's an interesting there's a town over in the uk called froome if r o m e where there's a party called independence from so the city council has 17 seats and this guy decided to start a party where there's no party discipline so each member of the party is into an individual they get to vote however they want they're just a party for technical reasons first time they ran they got 10 seats out of 17 next time they got all 17 and so they have this process where when they argue they have facilitators sometimes and they'll they'll have this process where they need to argue the opposite viewpoint of what they like they have to switch sides and argue each other's case etc and they bring in people so it's more of a problem solving thing then then traditional politics and presumably works really really well so i'm fascinated with things like that right like there are things that we can do to solve this if people care enough i remember what i was thinking before which is what you're talking about was the people having to work you know you know a lot of hours they don't have the time etc i'm also fascinated with how it seems like i grew up into i live in new york city now but i grew up in denmark and i think that has been attended advantageous in many ways he had you know great school and my parents were very good at you know they taught me to program and all these things but there's seems to Be a complete lack of teaching people fundamental life skills in this country, right? Which is why we end up on that treadmill because you don't need to live on that treadmill. If you invest there communities that are that are consistently investing in their education. I think like Chinese Americans tend to be really good at that Asians maybe in general, right, some Jewish Jewish culture around like, get educated, you know, get good grades, you know, put in hard work. stay ahead of the game. I remember also just, they just released the hillbilly elegy on Netflix. I haven't seen it yet. But I read the book, have you heard of it? No. So as a guy named JD Vance, and you you grew up in, I think, in the Appalachian sort of redneck country, and when his parents, you know, grew up, you could make a decent middle way, you know, middle class, income, by far dad working some factory job, they can have their house and kids and you pay for the thing and like, upward mobility and things were working. And now these communities are destroyed, everybody's on drugs and opioids, and there are no jobs, the factories have closed. And it's, it's, it's, you know, crap show. And schools are terrible to what changed it for him. So he got out and got a good job. And most of his friends didn't. One of the things that changed for him was he got into the military, to the military, he got into the Marines. And in the Marines, they taught him how to eat, how to exercise, and how to how to manage money. So he's about to go out and buy a car, and then his surgeon was like, what kind of car Are you getting? And he was like, Oh, this car, and he's like, you can't afford that, like, get this one's much more, much more practical and economical. Then he was gonna get like, you know, some kind of loans, like, how are you gonna finance it? Oh, just whatever, you know, finance from the dealers? Like, no, don't do that shop around, get a good get, you know, good interest, get a good deal on the on the mortgage. And so these fundamental life skills that he'd never learned from, from his parents from his upbringing from his school, you know, learned it in the military. And it fascinates me that, like the military is also government, right? So there are parts of the government that actually is able to teach people some of the skills that they actually need to survive and function in society. And then there are others that do the exact opposite.

Ari Gronich 42:28  

Well, since you didn't grow up here, you probably didn't realize that while you were growing up here, and I was growing up, or while you were growing up there, and I was growing up here, they actually did have things like homak, in bowls and elementary schools in, you know, in high schools, and so on. We had classes and cooking, sewing, checkbook balancing things like that. They have since taken those things out of schools, and exchange for a football program, basically. Because the football program makes the money. But they've taken fundamentally out any kind of life skills and trades skills. So when I was going to school, we had auto shop, we had photography, we had, you know, obviously yearbook and journalism, we had debate clubs, we had Youth in Government programs, we had wood shop, metal shop, I mean, we had all kinds of trades that we could learn in high school. And those things stopped right around the late 60s, early 70s. Or, and then they started, you know, or they didn't stop, but they started to slow down. You know, thereafter. And as they started to slow down, we saw this big push for people to be into college, go into college, going to college, go into college. And as people would go into college, and then obviously graduate with huge amounts of debt and not really wanting or passionate about or able to be in the job of the thing that they studied in college, we started to realize that when they took the trade schools out of high school, they they took an entire population and turn them into people that could only get jobs at assembly, you know, as assembly men and manufacturing plants and so on and so forth, because they no longer had the skills to do trades, that they might have been interested that might have paid them more kind of interesting way of dealing with a society. And the excuse in the politics of that those educational plans is we don't have enough money to educate our kids. We need, you know, teachers are asking too much, we can't pay them enough, these kinds of things. And so we've really, literally sold our kids, you know, future to the highest bidder, so to speak, and, and shifted the way that they can even think about what trades and what things they might be actually interested in doing to make that impact, and we kind of are directing them. If you don't do this, you won't get ahead, which means that you have to do this. And if all of your friends are doing this, this is the other part of that problem, which helps with the emotional blocking is that they have to take drugs in order to get the grades to match the other kids in order to get into the position so that they can be in the college. And then the college. I mean, I got college level aged kids, step kids and the drug use that is in those schools is unbelievable. And it's all straight, non recreational, not all of it, but obviously, you know, it's non recreational, it's all study. It's all getting better in school. But they're not learning anything about how to live in the real world, as you were saying,

Calvin Correli 46:29  

Yeah, it's I mean, that what's going on with colleges seems to be to be nuts, right? I just the whole the college student loans that are that he can't bankrupt out of, and that is subsidized by the government. Like it's, you know, that seems to be some, some high level corruption going on there. Right? You're like, I mean, I have I have kids, my kids are 1315. They're in Denmark, with their mom, we divorced a decade ago. But if they were here, I mean, like, I would never pay for college for them, I would never encourage them to go to college. I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't do in Denmark, universities is, you know, paid for through taxes, I wouldn't encourage them to go to university either, right? I got a computer science degree. I learned way more in my first year after I quit, I got a bachelor's degree, I was on my way to a Master's, I quit that and took a job. Instead, I learned so much more the first job out of college than I learned five years in, in university. So

Ari Gronich 47:32  

yeah, do you think that, that there's a reason why college and university is getting that reputation of being as unnecessary, when you know, in my parents generation, and obviously, for me, it was like, if you didn't go to college, and I didn't go to college, I went to a trade school. But my brother, you know, was, if you're not going to college, you're not ever, ever going to be a success in life. That's the programming. And now that programming is, is getting shifted to where, you know, a lot of people are starting to say, college isn't, isn't where it's at.

Calvin Correli 48:13  

I mean, the internet, right? Like, there is there's anything that you could possibly want to learn, you can find online, most of it for free, right? You know, there's libraries to obviously still right, but books, online courses you can study from, from the from the universities, you want to buy, like single courses and things like that, you can do that. For me, it's about learning, you have to be passionate about where you're learning, you have to want to learn it because you want to because you care, right? Because you're interested in it. That's the only way we're ever going to get really good at something and, you know, presumably you're learning it to use it. And so if you're not really that interested in it and excited about it, like why would you? Why would you bother, right? So and if you're excited, the you learn, you learn by doing more than by studying, right? You can read it and studied, but then you have to do it and do it and do it and do it over and over again. So putting it into something where you're, whether it's you're starting something for yourself, or you're working for someone else, put it into the fat C drive results. And that's how you really learn stuff, right? So yeah, there's never been more resources for anyone to learn, which also proves that if you're not improving your skills, if you're not improving your your, your your, your your body and your mind and your life in a in every way that you care about. It's on you, right? There's no excuses at this point, right? Like it's available to anybody with a smartphone. There's so much stuff available for free to anyone who has a smartphone. There's just zero excuse. So if you're not progressing, it's because you don't want to it's just because you don't care enough.

Ari Gronich 50:01  

Interesting. So let's talk about the menu. So the menu, they found as if it's more than two pages, it causes people to go into choice overwhelm.

Calvin Correli 50:19  

If we talk about like food menus at a restaurant, what kind of

Ari Gronich 50:23  

restaurant, they found the science, this study, the research has found that if there's more than two pages on a restaurant menu, then people go into choice, overwhelm. And they are less satisfied with their choice than if they have a one page or a two page menu, and only have certain things that they can get. They choose what they want. And they're happy with their choice, because the limit, so you talks about going onto Google, Google is to me a couple billion page menu. And, you know, you got Dr. Google you got, you know, that a lot of people are using for their, their, their medical questions. But the idea behind this is that, do we have too many choices, and not enough truth, to where people can't make a decision, they get overwhelmed with information, and all of a sudden, they can't make a choice, they can't make a decision, they can't make an action because of this overwhelm. And, and now they're not satisfied because of too much choice.

Calvin Correli 51:36  

Oh, yes. And I mean, that's not going to go away, right? That's never gonna change. So we That's just a fact that we have to adapt. Like, the the being unhappy with your choice is just back to what we were talking about a while ago with, like, you know, believing your thoughts, right? So. So just ignore that voice. It's one of the things that we're not, it seems we're not teaching people is like fundamental thinking skills. But I'm not even gonna say critical thinking skills, just any kind of thinking, honestly, is in short supply. Right? So so just learning to be like, Okay, what is the problem? What is the outcome that I want? Even? I mean, honestly, even that is one of the things that fascinates me about politics, is we're constantly debating this intervention or policy versus that. And nobody's saying, Well, hey, why don't we start them at stuff for a second? What does success look like? Right? What do we actually want to achieve here? And like, Can we get agreement on that first? And then Alright, what parameters? Are there for a solution for an for a strategy? What like, what values do we have? Can we get agreement on that? And then we can start brainstorm solutions, right? But if you haven't figured out what you want, first, then nothing else. Makes sense, right? And then everything else just becomes a waste of time. And we people don't get these basic things about how to solve problems. I see it too in business, so many people who are focused on tasks, what are the things I need to do? And I'm like, well, but like, it's not working. We're like, this is what this is the goal. This is the outcome, like, what else can we try? Right? Because that didn't work. And so there's some fundamental thinking skills that people are missing. So

Ari Gronich 53:18  

yeah, this is one of the biggest issues that I have system wide in almost every system that we've created in the last 20 plus years. Maybe 30, maybe 40 depends on the system is we're all about procedures versus results. So we do digital marketing right now because that's my biggest challenge. I'm not a digital marketer, put a body in front of me, I could turn it into Olympic champion, not a problem. Easy peasy. Put a computer in front of me and tell me to digitally market with web hooks and funnels and triggers and minutiae. And I go back. And so as I go to hire people, my biggest frustration is they're trying to charge me for tasks like well, if I put 15 posts on your Instagram, that's going to be this amount of money. If I post, if I if I add Instagram and Twitter, that's that amount of money even though it's the same post and I created it, I just took twice, but I'm going to charge more and then if I do this, it's that amount of money. Like Okay, so what are the results that are going to come? Well, I can't guarantee results. And I go, Okay, and then I look at medicine and I see the same thing. It's we need to do an MRI or an MRI for for a knee injury, right? So you tear meniscus or muscle ligament you need to do an MRI. But if you go to a doctor, first thing that you got to do is an X ray. Why? Because you got to do an X ray before you do an MRI, why X ray is not going to show me what an MRI is going to show me. So why do I need to do the X ray first? It's another procedure. It's another task. It's another thing that makes absolutely no difference in outcome. Zero, zilch, nada

Calvin Correli 55:19  

for you. But for them, it makes pocket book, right make

Ari Gronich 55:24  

pocket book. But what that does is it creates a scenario in which we create incentivized fraud. Totally, right. we incentivize fraud by doing those kinds of things. We do it in companies, we do it in business, we do it and all kinds of the aspects of our life these days, because we're doing task as you said, versus results. And so let's talk about that a little bit because I just had my now my nice little rant but what do you think the cost is of task versus result oriented thinking? Oh, boy,

Calvin Correli 56:02  

I mean, it's it's massive, right? It's everywhere. And it's it's the it's the lack of transparency in in choosing right because if you could choose between doctors that did it one way versus the other, like duh, right? But there's no transparency there oftentimes there's there's like de facto monopolies so and then it's the population just being aware of it and and, and choosing based on that we have this tendency to just give her authority away to whomever I think it was. Warner Earhart, founder of s back in the day, he had the saying that people walk around with their umbilical cord in hand just looking for someone to plug it in, somewhere somewhere to plug it into, which I think is a great way to say it. I think it's really true, like people are constantly looking to outsource their authority to someone right or something. So yeah. But it's, it's, it's everywhere. It's like one of my pet peeves is the the whole cookie thing like EU and GDPR. All these privacy laws and like, these specialties, like cookie banners that pop up everywhere, it's like they're designed for people who visit like one or two websites per week, or maybe per day, right? But when you visit like 50 to 100 websites in a day, you end up like clicking that damn thing over and over again. And we condition people just click the Yeah, whatever, go away, right? Like we, we don't read them, we can't. And so that's another like, someone is making a law. That's like making us more private See, secure or whatever, on paper, but in practice, it does nothing. It does the exact opposite, at great cost to every company business needs to implement this every user of the internet that needs to click these stupid ass things, right? It's it's just, there's no accountability. We're not holding other people, businesses, politicians, bureaucrats accountable for actual results. And there's that yeah, it's like a lack of culture of thinking that way. The cost is immense. I honestly think like, I heard a talk by Milton Friedman, a while back where he was talking about how when he was in high school, the government, all of us government, all levels, federal, state, local, all fees and taxes, everything included was about 10% of the entire GDP. I don't know what the number is now, but I'm sure it's a lot higher. But I don't really think though, we're getting that much value for money. And that's just that, that that sort of government level, right? That that this is, but this is everywhere, that we're just wasting so many resources. I wouldn't be surprised if the number is 90% wasted resources based on this inability to think clearly.

Ari Gronich 58:56  

What do you think the the about? I've heard this name touted. But the wholly owned subsidiary. You know, Corporation, United States of America or United States of America is a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate America. Right.

Calvin Correli 59:16  

Yeah. So I think that's pretty sure yeah,

Ari Gronich 59:18  

has become this corporate shill so to speak. And to me the answer, you know, they're they're pretty obvious answers of how this can be renegotiated. Right, getting out lobbyists changing the the elections from ones that have to be funded to, you know, just government we own the airwaves, so to speak, because we're the FCC so why don't we just take back the air. One of the things that I loved about ross perot way back in the day Now, here's what we got to do, we got to get rid of their staff to business right here, where he would go on air, buying his own airtime, we don't even need to buy your own airtime anymore, you get paid in sponsorship to go on YouTube. But what I would love to see politicians do is in 30 minutes segments with now, it's PowerPoints instead of charts, but I want to see them explain their policies in detail, and what they're going to do, and then compare them to the other person's policy and what it's going to do, and do it in a way that's factual. I would love to see that right. So that we can make decisions about policies and bills. Part of the wholly owned subsidiary is that every single bill is filled with pork, right, and what they call what they call pork or whatever, I don't know the exact term, but the it's filled with this bill is for this thing. And yet it's got 50 things in it that have been negotiated for other, you know, special interest in and so on. It would be nice if we did this bill is for this thing, nothing else is allowed to be in that bill. Right. There are things that I believe we could do easily to shift it. But what I want to get out for you is the mentality that we need, the emotional intelligence and maturity that we talked about at the beginning that we need in order to not be reactive, but be proactive in what we're doing. And the way we're doing it so that we can actually accomplish this stuff versus just talking about it in sound bites.

Calvin Correli 1:01:59  

As a me, it's it's

Ari Gronich 1:02:02  

what I said that was a long intro. I apologize for Drew. But I want to be really clear for you.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:11  

Yeah.

Calvin Correli 1:02:12  

To me, the problem, the challenge is that that the minute you make these rules, as long as the incentives are the way that they are the economic incentives, people are going to, like the people who want to do bad stuff are going to find a way around it. Right? And as long as we as people don't really care, or we're just so accustomed to like, yep, politicians are corrupt. It's just the way it is. I don't see that really changing, right? Like you can say, Well, okay, campaign finance law, you can only fund like, you know, government funds against brain blah, blah. But then you have Citizens United, right, like that, which, which is free speech, like what are you going to do?

Ari Gronich 1:02:56  

Over overturn it?

Unknown Speaker 1:02:59  

Yeah,

Calvin Correli 1:03:00  

but we still have free speech, right? So So are you and I allowed to sit here and talk and say, Hey, I like this politician. I don't like where's where's the dividing line? I don't maybe there's a simple solution. I'm not sure that there is a simple solution there. And and that, it wouldn't be something that again, people are going to find ways around, right? So that's my I'm skeptic calling me skeptical. I'm open, I'd love that. But But I don't know that. What I my thinking is like, from again, from a bottom up grassroots, like, the more sort of awake the people are, the more the more we live our lives, right? It's like Joseph Campbell, like or Gandhi, like Be the change that you want to see in the world. Like it starts here. It starts with you and I, and I, and with everybody here listening, starting to live their lives this way. And then naturally, you're going to start to demand more of others, including our leaders and our quote unquote, so called leaders, the people in charge, right.

Ari Gronich 1:04:04  

Yeah, you know, here's my only caveat to that. I agree that people need to take personal responsibility for shifting who they are. And that that will make a massive change in how we live. And I and I'll go back to the disagreement that the government or the thing or that whatever is somehow outside of that process, and not, we're not outside of the government, we're within it. We are the people and we have the, in my opinion, the responsibility, the obligation, the the, we are the ones who have to shift the system from the outside in and the inside out. And you know, Buckminster Fuller makes it perfect. He says, Don't challenge the system as it is make a better system and put it right next door, you know, so I In many cases, you've got to build the medical system that's going to work, and then actually put it to action before it becomes adopted as the next generation of medical system, you got to create something different, but the responsibility of the people to tell the government what to do, has been abrogated to the corporations that are now telling the government what to do. Yeah, well, it's

Calvin Correli 1:05:30  

politicians are like, so the way my analysis is right, like, so if you're a member of Congress, right? There's the budgets to run these campaigns right now are ludicrous, right? Because these, like, you know, there's 100 senators, and the and the national budget is I don't know how much it is trillions, right. So for each seat, is it worth, you know, a fair share of that amount, right, because they can shift huge sums around. And so that's why there's a lot of money riding on this stuff, right? And so, like, I don't see, like, when there is this much money, riding on it like that money is going to find a way to influence your role as politicians. One of the things I forget which book it was, but someone was writing a book about how, like, you know, you can't directly bribe politicians, but you can bribe their family members, right. So then, like, its sons, or cousins, or whatnot, and then it finds its way, like, that's kind of the common practice, because that's legal, technically, even though it's, you know, immoral, but it's, it's legal. And so that's how it's done. And so that, like, it's kind of like, you know, those like when you when you outlaw something, that there's a lot of money riding on an interesting, it's gonna find a way to make a black market out of itself, right. So. But I'm, I do see sort of an awakening in the population where we're no longer a lot of people are waking up to, like, Hey, we're being lied to, like, things are not being very being very efficient or smart. There's too much corruption going on. And I believe that there's a new crop of leaders stepping up and being elected to to public office, whether that's going to be enough to it. At the end of the day, it comes down to do we care enough as citizens, right to be like, no, we're not gonna put up with this crap, right? Do we care enough? Do we care enough to run for office? Do we care enough to tell the difference between who's, you know, has character and moral morals and who doesn't and vote for the guy who with morals and character and not for the other person? Right? And given that, again, the media is bought and paid for as much as the politicians, right? So it's, it's a challenge. And it is, and the other thing that might happen is that people with morals and character get elected, and then, like, they get compromised very early on, right, I do believe that there's a lot of that kind of mafia kind of thing going on, where we tried to get something on you. And now you're gonna like, it's really hard to dig yourself out of that. Not impossible. But it's hard, right? So.

Ari Gronich 1:08:16  

So just as a matter of the media being hard to trust these days, and being bought and paid for that happened in the late 70s, early 80s, with deregulation, and deregulation was a thing about how the government control is so bad. So we deregulate but what we did is we stopped the news from being a nonprofit, to being allowed to be for profit. So prior to that, it was required that they report the news, when they deregulated is when they started this 24 hour news cycle that now allows them to be for profit, which is what allowed them to make this be a special interest thing. And so I think if we understand that this is a result of something very specific, any of the the things that we experience are results of very specific things that have been done that can be undone immediately, right? We don't have to wait we could reregulate the news to make sure that it's not for profit, that they have no financial incentives to report bad news. And maybe all of a sudden we'll be able to get journalists at journalistic integrity back where they have to name their sources, make sure that the information is correct before they put something out, and etc, and so forth. And like I said, I had a conversation with somebody in the media yesterday, so We had a great conversation about this kind of a thing. But, you know, going back to you, because I know I'm taking you completely off of topics, normally, you know, used to, to speaking about, you know, like software and, and all the wonderful hell

Calvin Correli 1:10:19  

actually if I can jump in here because I have this is is actually a passion of mine I have a project called notable nation notable nation calm, which is about that, and we talked about like that you mentioned the wanting, you would rather be, you know, a consultant for politicians and being one my stated goal is to be a future zoo, not not to be a future, but to be a Special Advisor to the President of the United States unconscious nation building. So I guess

Ari Gronich 1:10:49  

we could team up.

Calvin Correli 1:10:50  

Alright, sounds like a plan. So that's, that's

Ari Gronich 1:10:53  

cool. I'm glad, I'm glad because like I said, I, I look at your background, and I go, Okay, I can have this conversation with him and talk to him about the software and then the niceties of life. Or I could, you know, challenge the status quo take you outside your box a little bit. And, and, you know, bring it to more of my kind of controversial polarizing, you know, conversations, because I think that the conversations that most people are having are at the surface level, and they don't really do much to benefit the world, right, or, or the world moving forward. So I had I had a, a message that I sent to, to a politician to Bernie, actually, so I'll just name him I sent this letter to him and his team, right, that I wanted to have a conversation with him about, about his health care program, because to me, he was just changing the payer, but not the incentive. Right? Until we change, the incentives will never change the outcomes. The incentives are going to get, or the outcomes are getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse, as long as the incentives are there the way they are. And I guess the reason why I don't I don't like the the government is evil thing, or big government is evil, or any government is evil, or are those kinds of things is because some of the massive problems that we've had was as soon as we deregulated certain industries, like we do, deregulated the savings and loan industry, what happened with the savings and loan industry, we deregulated You know, there used to be a thing about conglomerations, you couldn't be too big to fail, because you weren't allowed to conglomerate your companies. And right now, we just allowed within the last few years, Bayer, which is the largest pharmaceutical company to merge with Monsanto, which is the largest agricultural and food company on the planet, they control. I think it's 80 to 90% of all seed in the world. And so now we have the biggest chemical and agricultural company, combined with the biggest pharmaceutical company making incentives for them to poison you, so that then they can treat you whether that's what they're going to do or not, doesn't even matter, because centive is there. And we allow that incentive to be in existence, because we allow them to merge and have inter intricately woven policies between the two of them that have like, Well, here's how we're going to grow. And then how's it we're going to grow and we're going to grow this way. And we're gonna grow that way. Right? So we've incentivized

Unknown Speaker 1:13:59  

fraud,

Ari Gronich 1:14:00  

we've incentivized poisoning our air we've incentivized all those things. And since the citizenry for the most part doesn't even know that that's existing or that's happening, they can never protest it. They can ever speak up about it, because they're unaware that it's an existence. And so the last thing that I want to talk to you about, and I think this will lead back to some of what we started with, but I have this premise, silence is a bullies best friend. And that premise ends with so why are we the people allowing the bullies to win? So that's a psychological emotional maturity. We go back to that first initial part of our conversation. Why are we Allowing the bullies to win. Yeah, so

Calvin Correli 1:15:02  

the bullies being in this situation,

Ari Gronich 1:15:06  

government and industry, let's say, but it's all bullies, it's in general, it could be the bully in your class, when there's 30 kids in the class and one kids a bully and the 30 kids are afraid of them. Right? It could be any scenario in which that small person, the dictator, the queen, the king, the nobleman, the business right, when that small singular person who runs an entire organization, you're, you're a boss, you have 35 employees, right? So you could be the bully? Or you could be the victor. For those people. You have that choice? Right. But why do we, as people let the bullies when, when it goes completely against our own self interest?

Calvin Correli 1:15:55  

Yeah, I think, honestly, like moral courage, or just courage in general. is in is in pretty short supply. I have I have a number of friends who are, let's say have controversial viewpoints. And a lot of them business owners, and they choose not to speak up. Because, you know, there's just no upside for them. Right. Like, you know, I say this, I'm gonna alienate, you know, potentially half my staff half my customer base, you know, it's just like, what's, what's the point? You could risk, you know, you know, getting censored on show social media, and, you know, who knows what else they're gonna do? Right? There's threats of, like, there's been in the past, shutting down people's credit cards to get accounts, so they can't take payment. Like there's all kinds of potential downside. And, and I'm someone who's, who's decided, I'm going to speak up regardless, it's costing me business. It's costing cost me some, some great hires that I wanted to have. And they're like, Nope, I'm out. And for me, that's, that's what I have to do as a human being, like, there's a cost. Even I'm here in this country on a visa, right? Do you think it hasn't crossed my mind that when my visa comes up for renewal, that some like, person bureaucrat is going to look at my social media and be like, you know, wait, what did what did you mean with that thing? What am I like? I mean, and maybe they're low look at it and be like, hey, thumbs up? Or maybe they'll look at and be like, I don't know, right? But chances are, it's going to be looked at. So these things might have, you'll have already have real world consequences for me. But for me, it's more important to be in integrity, with my word, and not and with what I stand for, and stand up for what I believe in, even though it is constantly it's only when it's costly, that it counts, right, really, and so. And the more of us that that cower, that, that lets us cower, and let's let's, let's them's you know, quote unquote, limb. But let's ourselves be silenced, the worse it gets. And the more of us speak up, if everybody was speaking up, about the things that are most controversial, and that are going to get you the most in trouble, then, like nobody can do anything, right? Like, it's just, you know, it's too much. So it only works when we let ourselves be bullied. So it comes down to that, what do we choose for us? Right? And that has impact beyond you, beyond you and I write, it has ripple effects. And it that's how we do it. And that's why we're letting it happen right now.

Ari Gronich 1:18:46  

Yeah, you know, I, in my profession, I say to doctors, that I that I've consulted and worked with, like, how many people that are doctors that you know, have the same feeling about the moral injury and the systems of medicine that are you're being told to treat a patient, and you know, that it's not the best way to treat that patient? How many doctors? Oh, there's 20 3040 that, you know, personally. So what would happen if you all joined forces, and got loud together? And then how many people that you don't know have that same feeling as well? And what would happen if those 40 people met your 40 people, and then you joined forces and collaborated and came together and then what's going to happen to those administration's those bureaucrats, those money interested, incentivize incentivized people that really don't care about human health. They only care about that bottom line. What happens to them when you stand up Oh, well, when right when I stand up, they can't, you know, they can bully me as an individual, but they can't bully the group as a mass collection. And then I kind of remind them, well, don't you know that you are the majority in the industry, not the minority that you're allowing this small group of administrators and finance people tell you how to take care of a patient that they didn't spend 10 years learning how to do. And it's like, it's almost like having to take them down to a basic level of, of being a child, you know, and reminding them who they, who they are, and what their what's possible for them. And, you know, it's odd to me to see it, and go, Okay, so where was the first time I was bullied when I was told to be silent? And that's kind of where I wanted to go with you a little bit, when's the first time? And then what do you do when you realize when you ask that question and realize that you've allowed yourself to be bullied, because you were bullied as a kid and you stopped maturing? Like said, going back to the right part of our conversation?

Calvin Correli 1:21:30  

Yeah, I mean, for me, I was bullied in school. You know, just, you know, from as early as I can remember, like, preschool, kindergarten. So up through, up through, I think eighth grade, I changed schools between seventh and eighth grade and decided to sort of basically opt out of the social hierarchy and focus on, on, on on school learning. And move to a school that that valued, that what was actually being taught it was a private school, from a public school to a private school. So that was definitely a a major, Ed's a major impact on my life and made a major change point, and then had to go back and revisit that whole social element. It was interesting. Last year, actually, a year and a half ago, in April, I was on Necker Island, with Richard Branson and 30 you know, extinguished accomplished entrepreneurs. Some of one of whom is a South African real estate mogul, former friend of Nelson Mandela. And and he has seven private jets like seven one guys, I'm like, Dude sees a why he had such jets. I see one. I like it, I buy it anyway. So like, really, really, like, accomplished entrepreneur, some of them. And I felt like I was right back in school, right? With these, like, do I belong here? Am I worthy, like all of that all of those feelings came back up again. And it was amazing, because it really allowed me to heal some of those old wounds from my school years. And it it really set me off I've my entire life up until then, I've been a terrible quote unquote, like networker, I've been very isolated, just sitting at home in front of my computer programming, you know, my company's all remote. So I just get to sit in this room all day, it really changed my life, like being stuck on an island with 30 high level entrepreneurs for a week, because it allowed me to reprocess all of these emotions, right, that was a major, major win for me from that week. And so, since then, I've been opened up myself so much more to meet other people. So yeah, it's really is, is, you know, I feel

Unknown Speaker 1:24:00  

like too, like,

Calvin Correli 1:24:01  

I've been bullied in relationships, you know, you know, my first marriage was that there would some, it wasn't like, I just mentioned it, because it's kind of counter intuitive. Right? There were incidents of domestic violence, but there are towards me, right. So and but it was just like, how I grew up really learning to relate right that that like, well, I'm wrong, I'm bad. I'm probably did something and if she like, hits me, it's probably because I deserve it. Like, I mean, it was she wasn't gonna be mean to a pope or anything like that. It wasn't it was quite small in that sense, but still, just that sentiment that that was somehow okay. Right, like, so I think, you know, how we relate really impacts tends to impact all of our relationships, right? So, and we tend to very much project authority, like our parents. relationship with our parents we project that onto the government on to you know some person in uniform on to our boss onto like money onto time right concepts like that so that work of healing our relationships is another like lifelong journey and process that pays dividends on so many levels

Ari Gronich 1:25:24  

absolutely and we will definitely have to get into you know another conversation less controversial more on the individual rather than the systems but i wanted to expose that that you know that the system is us we are the system and i think people forget that we made this shit up and we can make it up better so why don't you give three or four you know tips and trips tricks actionable steps that the audience can take to create their new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world

Calvin Correli 1:26:10  

you want to it's it's comes always back to the basics because the basics is what people miss like always right we are so busy wanting to do all the advanced stuff and we just overlook the most fundamental things so number one what do you want what is it you want what is the outcome what does it look like what does success look like how will how will it feel whatever it is if we're talking about you know what is the ideal government look like right or more realistically for your own life right what what is it that you want for your health your work your relationships your creativity so get really clear on that and then just start moving towards that so many people are focused on what they don't want they're unhappy they just want to complain to someone like victimhood oh my god with a whole other conversation we can have i've spent so much of my life feeling like if only i had had better parents or better friends or better whatever been born in different countries like whatever i'd be more successful and then i'd be happy and the only result of that was that i had to remain unhappy and unsuccessful just to prove them but there's their fault right until i was like dude no like this is on me i can choose i can i can create happiness and success for myself and like they never did anything wrong it's fine right it's on me so and that's again like instead of focusing on what you don't want focusing on blaming people focus on what you want and what you can do and then get working get get to work on that and if there's one out of the thing it would be that really get curious about what it is that you're here to do that sense of like of mission of purpose in life for me that's been such a game changer is you know in february 2008 12 almost 13 years ago now my life hasn't been the same everything changed in that moment that i just knew what i was here to do and having that sense of mission is so important that sense of higher purpose higher purpose higher meaning in life i feel like so many of us are lost we get lost in the details in the minutiae in the like whatever the gossip and like who who you know violated us in some way or whatever because we've lost that sense of deeper meaning deeper purpose

Ari Gronich 1:28:49  

i get that so how can people get ahold of you if they liked what you said and they want to learn more about you or your software and how that can might possibly help them how can people get a hold of you

Calvin Correli 1:29:02  

yes uh so three websites calvincorelli.com is my personal website notablenation.com is the political project that we've we talked about and then simplyarrow.com one word is the software so those were the three and you can email me calvin at any of those and it'll go to me and yeah it's really you know yeah simpler if you want to if you're if you're doing some kind of business selling education selling information notable nation if you want to get involved in that movement that we have we have a showcase coming up like every thursday night we're gonna do a show called getting real where we discuss some issue and then just try to get real solving it and then coming curlier compromise so Following my personal and everything that I do,

Ari Gronich 1:30:02  

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Calvin Correli 0:00  

I was born and raised in Denmark and and, you know was building always sort of arms when we're both my parents were entrepreneurs. I got into computers and programming super early when I was like five or six years old and got off to a good start on my career, always working pretty much always working for myself. I had one job for a company in Boston, just around the year 2000. But that was it.

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to like, subscribe, rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that create a new tomorrow. today. I've got with me Matt javit. And he is an amazing person five time international sales award winner, hosts of amazon prime video show world barber shop adventures, author of police and brotherhood and uniform around the world is a culture ambassador. Matt, why don't you tell us a little bit more about your story and how you got to this place of you know, being such as such success with large multinational as well as starting your own companies.

Matt Javit 0:55  

Yeah, thank you. I guess in that summary, you there's a lot of dreaming going on there and, and living out my dreams started off with in a humble beginning, my parents got pregnant at an early age. And so my dad had to join the Navy at age 17. And which started on my journey around the US as a Navy brat, getting my master's degree down in Texas, why coach basketball and a junior college and, and then started a small company, which brought me back to Indianapolis, Indianapolis was the favorite place for my parents. So when my dad retired from the Navy, they came back to India and it just made sense for me to get back closer to my family in running this this company with my brother, bartending at night hustling during the day, and net led into my wife walking in the door one day as I was bartending, I fell in love instantly. Her not so much. But I convinced her that this is a good idea. And we got engaged eight months later, got married eight months after that just celebrated 15 years. So I keep telling her it was the it was the right call at that time. And then her father helped me make sense that it wasn't a great idea for me to be a bartender and start my marriage with my wife, which led me into the mortgage industry had a great run in the in the mortgage industry before the recession hits. And then that changed everything. And thank God, I was recruited by a technology company to come in and start sales in a technology world which I knew nothing about, struggled my tail off for two years, but outwork the competition and just just really worked hard to understand it better and yet, improved my skills. And then then hit a hit a hot streak, which led into me winning five international sales awards, working for this amazing global company, based out of France. And the coolest thing about working for an international company is when they do their sales incentive awards for the sales folks. They take us to amazing places. And in this case, we had a chance to go to Istanbul, Turkey, go India, Chiang Mai, Thailand, Cape Town, South Africa. And when you're the kuna Miami, Florida, and on all those trips, when they take the top 40 sales professionals, we can also bring our wives and our spouses. So Nikki went along with me. February of 2017, single backpack a piece, we left for a one way ticket to Santiago, Chile, and spent 27 months traveling to 35 countries around the world and really just lived out that dream and just had an amazing time doing it. And it was it was such a blast. Wow.

Ari Gronich 3:33  

That is that's quite an adventurous, you know, adventurous story. You know, a lot of people are doing that nomadic traveling these days. And it's interesting to me because I believe that the only way to get out of our own heads and our own mindsets is to go see what the heads and mindsets are of other people and to explore their culture, and so on. So that's always been an interesting thing. To me, everywhere I've ever gone it you know, the attempt has been to not blend in, but ask a lot of questions about who they are and why they are the way they are. So tell me, what was your most fascinating place on this adventure?

Matt Javit 4:29  

Well, it's it's, there's a wide range because you look at a place like India, where we spent two and a half months. We were lucky enough to do it. I had a strong Indian friend base before we left so I had a chance to reach out and say, Hey guys, I'm going to be in your country for for two and a half months. Are there any places or friends or people I should see and they've been inviting us to to stay with their friends and family. We attended three weddings were actually kind of In three weddings. So we had a chance to really dive deep in that culture. Because we were living in the homes, a lot of quiet time, just talking in and hanging out with people. So India, it was an amazing adventure. And anybody that's ever been into India understands that it's different. It's so much different than America. So it's, it really opens up all your senses. To be driving down the road, I was on the back of the motorcycle on one one situation with my buddy. And he says, Hey, Matt, do you want to get fish for dinner? I was like, Yeah, that sounds cool. So he just pulls off. And there's a guy, clubbing, fresh fish that they just caught from a lake and skinning them and cutting them up, put them in a bag for you to take home. And that's that was dinner for the night. So things like that, where it's sensory overload on a regular basis. And you're really just getting to have a chance to, to just see things differently and just understand their culture a bit differently.

Ari Gronich 5:59  

Yeah, I mean, you can't take the car with you, you can't take the house with, you can't take any of those items with you. But you can take your memories with you and your muscle. And, you know, we've gotten as a culture away from traveling, because we've decided to create a lifestyle that is 40 to 80 hours a week of working and both partners working typically. So there's no time in that scenario for these journeys and trips. And I think the US is, on average, two weeks a year of vacation. Yeah. While the rest of the world is more like a month to two months, a year of vacation time. And how is it that we get Americans to start traveling again? And I know, it's weird to say it in this particular time period where everything is shut down? That's it, you know, how do we get people exploring other people's cultures in a way that moves our culture forward as well. So, you know, I remember hearing a story about somebody who went to another culture, so he went to France, and was expecting the French to speak English, and was really upset that, that they weren't speaking English to him, and that they didn't like him because he was expecting them to speak English to them. And I found it interesting to, you know, I think that's probably happens quite a lot that we want them, them, the others, the people and the other places that should only exist for our benefit to, to, to conform to the way that we are rather than looking at and appreciating and understanding that that culture and finding the beauty in in other people's cultures. Is that something that we saw

Matt Javit 8:21  

brother, yeah, it's one of the most annoying things you can see on travel. And it's, it's for those people that think that way. It's like, why even Why go there, if you want the same thing you're experiencing at home, why even go introduce yourself to another culture, if you're going to, if you're going to require people to act like they do in Des Moines, Iowa, or wherever you're from, you want to become an understand that you go to a Greek dinner, they're not going to clear the plates off for three hours. And you're going to sit there with dirty plates on your table, while you have a long conversation over coffee, you know, I mean, and that's the coolest thing about it is you get to see like, wow, they're they're in no rush to kick us out here, where in America, they're trying to flip the table to have somebody else sit in there, okay, with only having a certain amount of people in this in this restaurant at night. And they're not trying to get people in and out because they want you to enjoy the dinner and have a long conversation.

Ari Gronich 9:16  

Yeah, so what do you think of chores zones versus the the places that the locals, you know, go I mean, it everywhere I go, anytime I've ever been anywhere, my first thing is I do not want to be where the tourists go, I want to be where the locals go. And so I seek out specifically somebody who can take me to a local joint or a local place so that I can experience that local culture, but a lot of of Americans you know, I call it the McDonald's tour, because We go from McDonald's in France to McDonald's in Europe to a McDonald's in Israel, you know, like, like, how many different ways can we experience the McDonald's? Right. And, and we do that with more than just, you know, we'll go to the Hilton. Well, there's a lot of local kind of hotels that are completely different than, say, a Hilton in it. I'm not, you know, it could be any of the major chains, but we tend to go to the places that we know, in our minds, how do you think we can, we can, you know, inspire people to experience more of the local kinds of experiences rather than the tourist experiences that we've kind of set up?

Matt Javit 10:51  

Yeah, I think the first thing is the fear. Because that was the biggest thing people to ask us, as we were making this trip. Are you safe? Is everything okay? And it's like, Man, look in the mirror a little bit. how safe is your city? How safe the Chicago. I mean, I'll say the St. Louis, how safe is New York. So that safety barrier is always the thing that keeps them on resorts and keeps people in those in those four walls wherever they are in that foreign country. And for me, it's like being get get through that and not listen to what all the media is trying to tell you. Because mostly what we hear from the media is when something bad happens, a tsunami hits an island. There's some sort of revolt against the government. So we're only hearing like the negative stuff around the world that happens that mainstream media wants to put out there because it'll get the clicks and views that all negative news gets. And so if you if you can, like climb through all that and try to find the truth in what's going on in these places around the world, you're going to see a lot of beauty and a lot of amazing things happening outside of those resorts. And one of the coolest things that happened to me recently was one of my buddies that watched our journey from afar online. He listened to the bikes that I would give about getting out of the resorts and spending time with the locals. And he said, They recently went to Jamaica. And he said, Matt, we had an awesome trip down there. We spent, we spent almost two weeks on air, he said, but our favorite day, by far is when we left the resort, went to a local town and hung out with the locals at the local restaurants. He said we came back with a bunch of phone numbers. And they're they're still texting us. And it was the by far the best day. He said, thank you so much for that advice, because it's going to change the way that we travel now going forward. And it's things like that. They're like, yeah, if you get you can, you can see a beach coastline, anywhere around the world. And you wouldn't know if you were in Thailand, if you were in the Philippines, if you were in Peru, if you just saw the waves coming in at a gorgeous Hilton resort, like you're describing, you wouldn't know where you were. But it's when you get out of that place. And you go walk around the town, and you meet the locals. And you you shop at their markets, you see the things that they're they're eating on a regular basis, how they barter, the idea that America doesn't barter for everything, anything. And these places everywhere, everywhere else borders. So just that conversation of bartering. If they say it's $1 say it's I'll give you 80 cents, and just go through that process. You're gonna learn so much about these places and and really just follow up with them even more than just sitting in a hotel or, or just drinking. Cool. Yeah.

Ari Gronich 13:25  

You know, part of me thinks that racism is not just ignorant of people, but it's a lack of understanding of other, any kind of other, right, whether that's an other culture, another language, another colored, you know, color of a person. And it's based solely on fear versus knowledge. Because if you get to know somebody or know about their culture, it's really difficult. I've found to dislike those people. You've been in place where, you know, like Turkey where there is in that middle eastern zone, a lot of conflict. And the conflict that we hear about was not my experience when I was in Israel, for instance, where I went to Jordan and Lebanon. I didn't experience the same kind of difference that we see on the news. I don't know if you went there. I know you went to Turkey. But any any chance that the differences between the people are not as great as the government's and the agendas and the media want you to think

Matt Javit 14:57  

absolutely. I think I think races is just lack of exposure. And we we saw and had conversations about racism all around the world. And it was when we were in Chile, they hated the Peruvians in Argentina, and then we were in Peru, they hated the Colombians, and it's in the Chileans. And then, and then you're in South Africa, as a white guy at the grocery store, the black app, the black checkout lady is looking at us a different way, until we speak, and they understand where American they're like, Whoa, you're not the same white guy that's usually here. So they're nicer. We experience it everywhere. And it's one of those things where if you don't have exposure to a lot of the people in your, the frame of reference is one or two people, you're going to think about those one or two people. And that's why it was so important for me wherever we went, was to be the smiling nicest guy in the room. Because I wanted, I never knew if I was going to be the last white American that they met.

Ari Gronich 16:05  

That's awesome. Thank you so much for being here. If you could leave everybody with with one thought one final thought that is what you'd like, you know, all of these experiences that you've culminated together, you know, one thought that you'd like the audience members to get, what would that one thought be?

Matt Javit 16:30  

I would say that it's okay to want to live out your dreams. And it's okay to dream big and want to, to work through it and make it happen. Before we took this big adventure, there was no way I could live this out, I'd made every excuse in my mind why it just wasn't for me. And then finally a clip to say like, Hey, I can do this, too. And I'm sure there's there's a listener out there that saying, they've been dreaming about this for a while and thinking it's not. It's not possible for them. But I promise you, you can do it. We did it. And now I've got other dreams that I'm working on. And it's possible for you to do it as well. Awesome.

Ari Gronich 17:12  

Thank you so much for being here. I know that the audience members have gotten a lot from this. And this is your host Ari Gronich with another episode of create a new tomorrow. Remember to like, subscribe, rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that change the world. Create a new tomorrow today, and activate our vision for a better world. Thank you for being here. I really appreciate it.

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

I'm Ari, Gronich, and this is create a new tomorrow podcast.

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to Like, Subscribe rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that create a new tomorrow today. I've got with me Matt javit. And he is an amazing person five time international sales award winner, hosts of amazon prime video show world barber shop adventures, author of police and brotherhood and uniform around the world. He's a culture ambassador. Matt, why don't you tell us a little bit more about your story and how you got to this place of you know, being such a such success with large multinational as well as starting your own companies.

Matt Javit 1:04  

Yeah, thank you. I guess in that summary, you there's a lot of dreaming going on there and, and living out my dreams started off with in a humble beginning, my parents got pregnant at an early age. And so my dad had to join the Navy at age 17. And which started on my journey around the US as a Navy brat. Once at eight, eight schools, three high schools finished up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. But through that journey as a kid, I was pretty good basketball player and a good athlete which ended up turned into me being a division one basketball player. I finished up my my bachelor's at University of town of Greensboro as a academic, all American. And then I went on to get my master's degree down in Texas, why coach basketball and a junior college and and then started a small company, which brought me back to Indianapolis, Indianapolis was the favorite place for my parents. So when my dad retired from the Navy, they came back to India and it just made sense for me to get back closer to my family in running this this company with my brother, bartending at night hustling during the day, and net led into my wife walking in the door one day as I was bartending, I fell in love instantly. Her not so much. But I convinced her that this is a good idea. And we got engaged eight months later, got married eight months after that just celebrated 15 years. So I keep telling her it was the it was the right call at that time. And then her father helped me make sense that it wasn't a great idea for me to be a bartender and start my marriage with my wife, which led me into the mortgage industry had a great run in the in the mortgage industry before the recession hits. And then that changed everything. And thank God, I was recruited by a technology company to come in and start sales in the technology world, which I knew nothing about, struggled my tail off for two years, but outwork the competition and just just really worked hard to understand it better and yet, improve my skills. And then then hit a hit a hot streak, which led into me winning five international sales awards, working for this amazing global company, based out of France. And the coolest thing about working for an international company is when they do their sales incentive awards for the sales folks, they take us to amazing places. And in this case, we had a chance to go to Istanbul, Turkey, go India, Chiang Mai, Thailand, Cape Town, South Africa. And one year they came to Miami, Florida. And on all those trips, when they take the top 40 sales professionals, we can also bring our wives and our spouses. So Nicky went along with me. And we just, we just fell in love with travel, I was somebody that had a chance to see the United States. Because I grew up in a military home and also playing college hoops. I had a chance to go around the US and play in different college campuses, but never saw international travel. And I was blown away. It was just it just shocked me to the core. And I loved everything about it. And so we started setting huge goals to have a chance because every time we'd fly home on those trips, after 10 or 12 days on vacation like Americans have, I would always be dreaming about the next location, looking at the magazine in the back of the that little that little pant the pamphlets in the back of the airplane, and the seats and I would just sit there and just dream of those next locations. So we started thinking about like, what if we could do this full time? What if this is something that we could set out and pause our careers and just go live it and that's what we did? February of 2017 single backpack apiece. We left for a one way ticket to Santiago, Chile and spent 27 months traveling to 35 countries around the world and really just slipped out that dream and just had an amazing time doing it and it was it was such a blast.

Ari Gronich 4:55  

Wow. That is that's quite an adventurous You know, adventures story. You know, a lot of people are doing that nomadic traveling these days. And it's interesting to me because I believe that the only way to get out of our own heads and our own mindsets is to go see what the heads and mindsets are of other people, and to explore their culture, but not as, as an American, so to speak, exploring foreign culture, but more as somebody who's an anthropologist almost looking at that culture as something to study and admire and find interesting enough to have conversations with locals and so on. So that's always been an interesting thing. To me, everywhere I've ever gone it, you know, the attempt has been to not blend in, but ask a lot of questions about who they are and why they are the way they are. So, tell me, what was your most fascinating place on this adventure?

Unknown Speaker 6:14  

Well, it's, it's,

Matt Javit 6:15  

there's a wide range, because you look at a place like India, where we spent two and a half months, we were lucky enough to do it, I had a strong Indian friend base, before we left, so I had a chance to reach out and say, Hey, guys, I'm going to be in your country for for two and a half months, are there any places or friends or people I should see, and they begin inviting us to, to stay with their friends and family, we attended three weddings, we're just kind of in three weddings. So we had a chance to really dive deep in that culture. Because we were living in the homes a lot of quiet time, just talking in hanging out with people. So India, it was an amazing adventure. And anybody that's ever been into India understands that it's different. It's so much different than America. So it's, it really opens up all your senses. To be driving down the road, I was on the back of a motorcycle on like one situation with my buddy. And he just says, Hey, Matt, do you want to get fish for dinner? I was like, Yeah, that sounds cool. So he just pulls off. And there's a guy, clubbing, fresh fish that they just caught from a lake and skinning them and cutting them up, put them in a bag for you to take home. And that's that was dinner for the night. So things like that, where it's sensory overload on a regular basis. And you're really just getting to have a chance to, to just see things differently and just understand their culture a bit differently. So things like that. We also fell in love with Vietnam. The the, how nice everybody is there, the fact that their infrastructure is very strong, you can have some of the luxuries in the United States, but understand you're in a different culture, and how inviting in kind all those people are was amazing. So we really fell in love with Vietnam. So that was a, that was a star, our trip, six weeks in Japan really showed me what humility and kindness and thoughtfulness is like, the Japanese people are amazing people, and just how thoughtful they are, in every aspect of their life and how they treat people was eye opening. And that's the coolest thing about the travel is you fall in love with these countries. But then when you come home, you also understand the United States and what makes us special. And so that's why I'm such a big advocate of travel is not the idea that you're going somewhere. It's not just the fact you're going somewhere and knowing and understanding more about the world, but you're also appreciating the aspects of your own country as well, that might not be in other parts of the world. So that's, that's why I'm just, I really feel like people. And I know this next generation is going to do things similar to us, I know that they're gonna pause their careers, and go take on these adventures. And that's why that's why I wanted to document a lot of it, and put it down because I know that there's people behind us that understand that doing these experiences, is so much more important than having a fancy car, or having a better couch. Or you know what I mean? They're all these things that this consumerism built into us that we just want to push that, that Buy button so fast, instead of saving a little bit to take that adventure and do something crazy as this might seem.

Ari Gronich 9:25  

Yeah. I mean, you can't take the car with you. You can't take the house with you. You can't take any of those items with you, but you can take your memories with you and your salon. And, you know, we've gotten as a culture away from traveling because we've decided to create a lifestyle that is 40 to 80 hours a week of working and both partners working typically. So there's no Time in that scenario for these journeys and trips, and I think the US is, on average, two weeks a year of vacation. Yeah. While the rest of the world is more like a month to two months, a year of vacation time, and how is it that we get Americans to start traveling again? And I know, it's weird to say it in this particular time period where everything is shut down? It's a, you know, how do we get people exploring other people's cultures in a way that moves our culture forward as well. So, you know, I remember hearing a story about somebody who went to another culture, so he went to France, and was expecting the French to speak English, and was really upset that, that they weren't speaking English to him, and that they didn't like him because he was expecting them to speak English to them. And I found it interesting to, you know, I think that's probably happens quite a lot that we want them, them, the others, the people and the other places that should only exist for our benefit to, to, to conform to the way that we are, rather than looking at and appreciating and understanding that that culture and finding the beauty in in other people's cultures,

Matt Javit 11:45  

is that something that we saw brother, yeah, it's one of the most annoying things you can see on travel. And it's, it's for those people that think that way. It's like, why even Why go there, if you want the same thing you're experiencing at home, why even go introduce yourself to another culture, if you're going to, if you're going to require people to act like they do in Des Moines, Iowa, or wherever you're from, you want to become in understand that you go to a Greek dinner, the, they're not going to clear the plates off for three hours, and you're going to sit there with dirty plates on your table, while you have a long conversation over coffee, you know, I mean, and that's the coolest thing about it is you get to see like, while they're there in no rush to kick us out here, where in America, they're trying to flip the table to have somebody else sit in there, okay, with only having a certain amount of people in this in this restaurant at night. And they're not trying to get people in and out. Because they want you to enjoy the dinner and have a long conversation. And it's like, it's those things that you get to understand them and know them. And know like, why isn't the waiter coming back around? It's because the waiters, chillin, just let them relax. They're not like it is in America, wherever things go, go go. And it's when you hear people complaining on the road, when they're traveling. It does get annoying, and it's like, Look, man, you're in another country enjoy what this country is, and what's different than than America about it. And if you give it time, you're gonna fall in love with it. And we would see that quite often. And it when you talked about earlier about like kind of the conforming in fitting in to the culture. Fortunately, unfortunately, I'm six foot six. So I stand out wherever we go. And I look like an American dude. So they know, they know that I'm a foreigner right off the bat, which is great. And those conversations where they if they don't speak English, my first attempt always to break that barrier is to apologize for not speaking their language because I'm in their country. So if I don't speak their language, I'm sorry, I only speak English. Look at me, I'm an ignorant fool. Can you help me work through this? And then a lot of times, even if you try one or two words in their language, they might laugh at you a little bit, but then they'll at least work with you. But if you're somebody that says hey, do you speak English? Right off the bat? It's, it's already you're creating this dynamic of because then if they don't speak English, does that make them dumb? You see, I'm saying, Man, when you're in their country, they might speak Vietnamese first. So So why why would you ask them to speak English first? So it's a it's all how you approach the approach it and and really, just to your point, the idea of like you're in these places, take it in, appreciate the culture understand you're somewhere different. And that's why you book the trip in the first place.

Ari Gronich 14:28  

Yeah, so what do you think of choice zones versus the places that locals? You know, go I mean, it everywhere I go, anytime I've ever been anywhere. My first thing is I do not want to be where the tourists go. I want to be where the locals go. And so I seek out specifically, somebody who can take me to a local joints or a local place so that I can experience that local culture. But a lot of of Americans, you know, I call it the McDonald's tour, because we go from McDonald's in France to a McDonald's in Europe to a McDonald's in Israel, you know, like, like, how many different ways can we experience the McDonald's? Right. And, and we do that with more than just, you know, we'll go to the Hilton. Well, there's a lot of local kind of hotels that are completely different than say, a minute, I'm not, you know, it could be any of the major chains, but we tend to go to the places that we know, in our minds, how do you think we can, we can, you know, inspire people to experience more of the local kinds of experiences, rather than the tourist experiences that we've kind of set up?

Matt Javit 16:03  

Yeah, I think the first thing is the fear. Because that was the biggest thing people to ask us, as we were making this trip. Are you safe? Is everything okay? And it's like, Man, look in the mirror a little bit. how safe is your city? how safe is Chicago? I mean, I'll say the St. Louis, how safe is New York. So that safety barrier is always the thing that keeps them on resorts, and keeps people in those in those four walls wherever they are in the foreign country. And for me, it's like being get get through that and not listen to what all the media is trying to tell you. Because mostly what we hear from the media is when something bad happens, a tsunami hits an island. There's some sort of revolt against the government. So we're only hearing like the negative stuff around the world that happens that mainstream media wants to put out there because it'll get the clicks and views that all negative news gets. And so if you if you can, like climb through all that and try to find the truth in what's going on in these places around the world, you're gonna see a lot of beauty and a lot of amazing things happening outside of those resorts. And one of the coolest things that happened to me recently was one of my buddies that watched our journey from afar online. He listened to the bikes that I would give about getting out of the resorts and spending time with the locals. And he said, They recently went to Jamaica. And he said that we had an awesome trip down there. We spent, we spent almost two weeks on there, he said, but our favorite day, by far is when we left the resort, went to a local town and hung out with the locals at the local restaurants. He said, we came back with a bunch of phone numbers, and they're still texting us. And it was the by far the best day. He said, thank you so much for that advice, because it's going to change the way that we travel now going forward. And it's things like that. They're like, yeah, if you get, you can, you can see a beach coastline, anywhere around the world. And you would know, if you were in Thailand, if you were in the Philippines, if you were in Peru, if you just saw the waves coming in at a gorgeous Hilton resort, like you're describing, you wouldn't know where you were. But it's when you get out of that place. And you go walk around the town, and you meet the locals. And you you shop at their markets, you see the things that they're they're eating on a regular basis, how they barter, the idea that America doesn't barter for everything, anything in these places everywhere, everywhere else borders. So just that conversation of bartering. If they say it's $1 say it's, I'll give you 80 cents, and just go through that process. You're gonna learn so much about these places and, and really just fall in love with them even more than just sitting in a hotel or, or just drinking. But here's the thing is, is we have like your tribe in America, we have these two weeks off, right? So a lot of people are like, dude, I don't want to deal with that. I just want to go and sit on a beach and think about anything, and and then go back to the life that I have, where it's chaotic, and I get that. But if you're if you're looking to kind of expand your brain, expand your mind, and see, look at the world in a different way. That's what you and I are describing here. That's, that's what that that's the benefit you'll get out of this. But if you're somebody that's not trying to do those things, you're just trying to get two weeks away. First, they're probably not listen to your podcast. But those those people, they're in that they're in that engine, then never that never stops, they wake up and they're 70 in their life sober and they're they're saying what ifs These are for the people that you want to open your mind to do something different and look at the world a different way. That's what you do you go hang out with the locals and understand the cultural and the better.

Ari Gronich 19:31  

Cool, yeah, um, you know, part of me thinks that racism is not just ignorant of people, but it's a lack of understanding of other any kind of other right, whether that's an other culture another language another colored, you know, color of a person And it's based solely on fear versus knowledge. Because if you get to know somebody or know about their culture, it's really difficult I've found to dislike those people. You've been in place where, you know, like Turkey, where there is in that middle eastern zone, a lot of conflict. And the conflict that we hear about was not my experience when I was in Israel, for instance, where I went to Jordan and Lebanon. I didn't experience the same kind of difference that we see on the news. I don't know if you went there. I know you went to Turkey. But any, any chance that the differences between the people are not as great as the government's and the agendas and the media want you to think?

Matt Javit 21:05  

Absolutely. I think I think racism is just lack of exposure. And we we saw, and had conversations about racism all around the world. And it was when we were in Chile, they hated the Peruvians in Argentina, and then we were in Peru, they hated the Colombians, and it's in the Chileans. And then, and then you're in South Africa, as a white guy at the grocery store, the black app, the black checkout lady is looking at us a different way, until we speak, and they understand we're American, they're like, Whoa, you're not the same white guy that's usually here. So they're nicer. We experienced it everywhere. And it's one of those things where if you don't have exposure to a lot of the people in your, the frame of reference is one or two people, you're going to think about those one or two people. And that's why it was so important for me wherever we went was to be the smiling nicest guy in the room. Because I wanted, I never knew if I was going to be the last white American that they met, because a lot of places we went to were off the beaten track. And they weren't typical touristy spots. So if I would meet somebody, thinking, like, I might be the only American they ever ever met, you know, I'm gonna be the last American they ever made. And so if if they meet me, and they're like, that dude is nice. I know how this works. They're going like, all Americans are nice. Matt was awesome. You know, I mean, like, that's, that's literally how we think. So if you don't have if you don't have a lot of exposure, because I've met people, business business owners, that from a different generation, they say, all Indians are so smart. Because the seven Indians that worked for him in in environmental engineering, were wicked, smart people. But I was in India for a long period of time. I know, all Indians aren't smart. So it's like, whatever, if you only expose yourself to a certain group of people, and that is, and that's your exposure. And if you see all of them like that, then that's, that's when racism kicks in. But if you get exposure, you have enough conversations to understand like, Whoa, some people are good, some people are bad, that's across the board. Like all all the races and all the different people around the world, we're gonna have good people, we're gonna have bad people. And the more exposure you get to, to all those different parts of it, you're going to understand that, and most of them are really, really good people. There's just a segment of the population that sucks. And you try to avoid those people, and you hang out with the positive ones that are trying to do right by you. But we saw it everywhere on the globe, where it's like America is this only is the only racist place in the world. It's like, dude, you have no idea how racist The world is the entire world. And it doesn't make it right. It's just ignorance. It's just absolute ignorance. But it's everywhere, as as a human popular as a human species. We're so ignorant, to only to the only the exposure that we get in our little boxes that we live in, that we think that these are the things in it, the media is telling us nothing but negative stuff. And they're putting us in this volatile state all the time. Of course, we're gonna we're gonna see people a different way. And if they're telling you constantly that you're racist, then you're like, maybe I am racist. And then you see I'm saying so it's, it's a, it's a weird dynamic. And the only way you can overcome it is exposure. By by going to places you're not comfortable with getting uncomfortable, meaning people you don't normally meet, and then get your own truth, to understand that, whoa, we're all trying. We're all trying to make a little bit of money, have love in our life, achieve some goals, you know, I mean, and hang out with our families. It's it's the what we're all trying to do is not that different from each other, no matter where you go around the world.

Ari Gronich 24:51  

Yeah, you know, it's funny. I was in Greece during the 2004 Olympics and Paralympics and You know, we're working, working the athletes out and everywhere you go, it's really controlled. After the Olympics were over. After the Paralympic, sorry, we're over I was I stayed about an extra week or two. Because I, I'm a kind of person when I'm working a thing. I'm like, 16 hours on those athletes there. There wasn't, you know, there wasn't an enjoy. I didn't actually see a single game. When I was there, though. I was literally 16 hours. And then finally when the days that I had off, I was on an island somewhere, but I went for a walk one day in Athens. So you've been to Greece, right? It's one of those. You've been so Athens, you know, Athens. I was staying in a Monia square. Okay. And so I walked to monastiraki and had some breakfast. So that's about a three mile walk.

Unknown Speaker 26:09  

Okay.

Ari Gronich 26:10  

And then right up there, and Mona's Rocky is, is the, the National Museum, which used to be, I guess, their parliament. And then they have that museum row. And so I started walking through all the museums. And in this one day, I just, I kept walking, for some reason, I just kept walking. And I start walking up this hill. And it's maybe five hours have gone by, and I'm still just walking and I see all of a sudden I see the this graffiti about the the workers, you know, blood and things like that. And then I start asking some questions, because I wasn't necessarily in the heart of Athens anymore. It turns out, I walked to ilio. Poli, which are really awfully I don't know how to pronounce, pronounce it exactly. But I walked to a whole other city, it was 20 something miles away that I walked that day.

Unknown Speaker 27:12  

Oh, my God.

Ari Gronich 27:14  

And all I kept hearing is the Albanians, the Albanians, they're coming in. They're taking our jobs, the Albanians. Yeah. And it just was like, it's like, everybody has their people and take their jobs for less money than they're willing to do it for. And then they complain and complain about people who took their jobs that they're not willing to do. And I just found it so fascinating. I also because it was 2004. We were there during the elections. And the campaigns, so watching the bush Gore, you know, shenanigans, and watching that on CNN, Greece, versus CNN, us, right, very different news. So is, you know, you just keep getting awakened to the idea that what you think, you know, is very controlled, very program, very different than reality. And, you know, just like when I was in Israel, and I watch the Palestinians and the Israelis, and the Jordanians and the Lebanese, and, you know, all pretty much living in a city that's no bigger than Lausanne or as a country, that's no bigger than the county of Los Angeles. And for the most part, completely harmoniously. And you would never guess that by watching any of the news. So, I just find it interesting when I've ever gone to other places. And you spent so much time and went to so many places that you get kind of an idea of different cultures and based on different geographies, I would imagine and so on. So, you know, I'm not going to tell you have you run down the list, but if you were down you did a couple Japan, you know, and, and so on In Vietnam, if you were to run down a list of places, and the expectation that you had and then the difference in the people based on the expectation that would be a really interesting thing for I think people to grasp. This is what I thought happened when I when I went to Vietnam, but this is my experience it with the local, okay, that kind of thing. So do that and also, I just want No, because you're six foot six, how? How much? Do you think that there's an intimidation factor of you in some of those cultures, like in Japan and China, where you're probably towering over every day by quite a lot? You know, do you feel like there's an intimidation factor?

Matt Javit 30:23  

So I had to overcome that. But it was it was cool, because I'm naturally outgoing. And I attempt to be nice, not now, if you see my resting face, it doesn't, I probably am a little intimidating. So I understand that. So I would try to overcome that by smiling a lot more often making a lot of eye contact, and let people understand that I'm not somebody to fear, but somebody to welcome. So I would, I would attempt to do that, because you're right, when I would walk into a room, Cambodians, Vietnamese, especially Southeast Asia, in and in South America, I would tower over a lot of people. And so instantly, there's there's a little bit of anxiety, but then I would try to overcome that just to make sure that they, they understood that I was there for all the right reasons. And to make it welcoming. So it actually, it helped me because it would have helped me break through walls rather quickly. And then I could get into that comfort zone, where then you're getting invited to places and getting asked to go to lunch and stuff like that. So it got it got it was actually a better for us. And then when it comes to those different cultures that really, really stood out Japan was number one, I had no expectations going to Japan. And just to see how amazing those people were in what's what's wild about Japan, the idea that I that I did stick out, and I experienced parts of Southeast Asia where I would have a lot of these stairs, especially like, if you're taking public transportation, you could tell that there's a lot of eyes on you. In Japan, they would not they would not look at me. Because of just how they how their society works is they knew if they were staring at me that that would be something like they were judging me. So they wouldn't do it. So for me, it was like hard to engage with the Japanese because they're just, they're just so kind of Bible that they wouldn't want to meet the like I was at a place. And they wanted me to feel welcome. So the Japanese really stood out to other good,

Ari Gronich 32:17  

sorry, do you think that the Japanese have kind of taken on political correctness, too, a whole different kind of experience, because I know that they're very, very careful to be considerate of your feelings of your experience of your have your experience, really, you know, very careful to make sure that you feel comfortable as an insider or an outsider, just in general in relation. Do you think that that's political correctness or just being socially you know, having etiquette?

Unknown Speaker 33:04  

I think I think so this

Matt Javit 33:05  

is, this is an uneducated, uneducated point of view, but the purity of the people where if you're Japanese, or Japanese, I mean, it's an island where the Chinese attempted to invade, but they've, they're pretty pure, on who they are. And I think that that is part of their awareness of a culture that they built upon. And spiritually, the Buddhism and the other forms of religion that they that they have there, in lifestyles they have are very Zen like and, and peaceful. And that's what that's what really stuck out with Asia, in Southeast Asia, is the different religions there, that are very harmonious and harmonious and just like calm and peaceful to see people walk the walk, rather than just talk the talk. And I know this is this is I hate to say that. So full military family. I love America. I'm diehard USA, I love our country. But there's certain things that you see elsewhere, that you're like, Man, I wish we could do that. And that's one of them is the idea that when you're in Asia, and the way that they practice every day, and they walk the walk of peacefulness, and not judging people and being being chilled out and calm. Some of the stuff that within Buddhism that really stand out, you would we would hope that we could do the same here instead of just talking about these subjects, and being holier than thou, but not living them. And it's more just, it's it's all conversational, but when you see people's action, you're like, Whoa, you're not doing it's kind like the whole COVID thing with the hilarity that with the governor's around the around the country like they're saying one thing but they're doing another it's kind of how we are as a culture a lot of times and when you're when you're in some of these other places. And it's really peaceful. And that was the thing about talking to my father on the trip, when we were in Tokyo. I was telling him that you don't know what it's like to be in a peaceful city, like a non violent city, until you're there, your body, your body doesn't understand it. Like, we're in Singapore, and Tokyo, like Tokyo, 30 million people making I walked home one night at like, 130 in the morning in Tokyo. And it's one of the things until, you know, like, you're like, I have no fear, I can walk to these places, and not have a fear to look over my shoulder, and think that somebody's going to get me or try to snatch something from us, your body doesn't understand what that feels like, until you're there. And you're like, Wow, this is so like, peaceful and calm. And I was trying to tell him like, you couldn't do that in any major city in America. You can't You can't walk home at 130 in any major city in America and feel like this is I feel safe right now. Um, and until you're there, it's it's so different. That's, that was just one of the some of the stuff that stuck out to us on this journey is like, people that walked a walk. It's, it's, it's nice. It's, it's calming.

Ari Gronich 36:10  

Yeah, you know, it's interesting, I was in Israel, and like said, and, and I saw, you know, a nine year old girl walking home. I don't know, it was maybe 10 o'clock at night. And I was thinking to myself, you know, when I was when I was younger, we would go out and ride our bikes all day on, we would go to parks, you know, I could have been 567. And I could have been gone all day, as long as I showed up, at kind of some prescribed times the freedom to move freely, so to speak, in my community. And now I have, you know, I have a seven year old and I wouldn't want him to be out riding or going to parks and places by himself. And it's such a shame that we as a society have allowed that to be the case, we, you know, it's like taking it back to ourselves, we allow everything that happens to happen. Because if we didn't allow it to happen, it wouldn't happen. Right? So if we didn't know how our communities to be so unsafe, they wouldn't be because we would control it. But you know, it's funny, I have this this talk that I'm going to be doing. That's really about bullies. My saying is silence is a bully's best friend. So I'm going to kind of go there on the cultures with you. And where did you find that the bullies were more prevalent, less prevalent in around the world, and how people react to those bullies and to the the systems because as you know, the show is a lot about create, you know, creating a new tomorrow, today, it's about how we can figure out that we made this shit up, and we can make it up better that everything in the world that we see is a construct of our imagination. And we can imagine it different. So when you're traveling around the world, if you if you were to take pieces from each culture, right? Where would you which piece would you take from where and where. And in order to make that jigsaw puzzle of the kind of world that you'd want to have that you'd want to live in?

Matt Javit 38:43  

That's amazing question. Um, first, I think like, we would we would in a different setting. Maybe you and I would debate over the topic of letting your sick kid play at a playground because the book thankfulness shows that it's safer now than than it's ever been. And it was true sistex would show that this COVID crisis has changed that a little bit because you're starting, you're seeing an uptick in in violent crimes, especially around our country, because I think they're just they're just unrest, people want to get out of their homes. And when that builds, then they do get out crazy stuff happens. So you're starting to see a little bit of that. But prior to that, we were getting safer and safer on the country. And the idea this is that I've got two eight year old seven year old nephews, and I'm kind of preach this to their parents on the reg is the idea that there's so many cell phones, there's so many video cameras out there. So everything you do is on camera now. So I think these these kids are much safer. And there's a fear component out there, but it's just the mainstream media. Go ahead.

Ari Gronich 39:46  

I have one one thought and I want you to address this one thought about that. Do you think that it's safer because more kids are inside on their computers laptops i write etc not that it's safer just that it's per capita maybe safer because there's less kids actually in the parks and in those places i walk around and i don't see kids on the block playing baseball in the street right i don't i don't see it

Matt Javit 40:27  

well we're in this we're in this crazy environment where if you're if your six year old kids walking by him him or herself to the grocery store like they do all around the world a parent might say who's where's your parent who you hear with if they're like no i'm just going to the grocery store some some crazy helicopter parent might say well no that is illegal we've got to call the authorities so i think there's like this spirit component and parents that say we can't let our kids do the things that we did because i'm with you man i was just having this conversation with a mom where me and my brother would just disappear on our bikes for the entire day the idea that i had a paper out very young 910 years old like these things that like we had like jobs and they have you seen the movie donut king yep it's an awesome movie yeah but the cambodians that came over and and started the chain of donut donut chains on the on the west coast and you look at those kids they were in the donut shop working at age 567 years old and it's it's this mentality and we saw it all around the world where we'd see it was a seven year old kid in waikiki ecuador ecuador selling roses out of his backpack there was there was kids in india on selling goods at age six and seven with with no parents around them on the streets it was everywhere and then you come to america and kids can go to the their mailbox down the street without some sort of guidance it's insanity and it's i think we're doing our kids an injustice by taking away these freedoms early in life and just not just just building that resourcefulness teach them in a certain way and teach them how to get out of scenarios because they're out there there's there's evil people out there that want to harm children but i think that there's ways that we can do it especially as a community if you're talking to people say hey let my kid do this be aware if you see him or her if anybody's around them and be aware but it's that's a i'm sorry for getting on that tangent i just it honestly as a somebody without kids i understand when i look at things as an uncle and as if i was to look at as a father it probably be so much different than then if i had my own children so that's why i always i know the line that i can't cross but i when we saw the things we did with children around the world you can it's a stark contrast of how we handle kids in america in the freedoms that that in really the hustle because that's what stuck out in that movie the donut king is the hustle that you build in those young kids the desire to work really hard to achieve something and you see you saw that with all the different donut shop owners in that movie that it as they got older in life they achieve amazing things and i think that we build that into our kids that hustle mentality that it helps them

Ari Gronich 43:18  

do you think that the midwest is still doing that with you know so to speak the farmers and their kids still doing the work on the farm versus you know nowadays we have the big agro which requires hazmat suits versus you know straw up in and overalls but you know are there places here in america where that is still happening and you know it's interesting i would want to see a study and say okay places where that's happening in the us here's the success rate and here's the happiness you know factor and here's

Matt Javit 44:01  

what all this has happened so fast though you know i mean right it's all because all this is the technology in the last 20 years is what's really it's not only it's i think it's both the mainstream media and the social medias focused on these topics that are beer monitoring people to change how they how they handle their children it's also the idea that kids love to play games and they wouldn't it's much it's it seems to be easier to parent when you give your kid a device or a game to have them go play game for three hours then go take them to the park for three hours so it seems like it's it's both a great babysitter babysitter and extremely entertaining and there's value in gaming i think that i think that we discount the value in gaming quite often especially with what's happening in the future is that we a lot of people tend to just look at gaming as As dumb time wasted were one of those that if they're playing the right games, there's a lot of problem solving involved as well. So what is what can be beneficial? But, but all this happens so fast. So the study, we probably won't know, like how that looks in 1010 years removed, but the Midwest values are still strong. I mean, you still, that's why they call them Midwest values, because it's a hard working, it's definitely different. I had the chance to go out and, and work on it on the west coast, totally different. I mean, our coasts are different regions of the country are way different from each other. And those Midwest values still hold true. And you do, you do see kids here that play and they go to the park and hang out together. And it's it is different than kind of like an urban setting where there's a lot of we go to Chicago visit family in downtown Chicago and you don't see you rarely see kids by themselves. It's always like a kid with a parent nearby. Right? Instead of kids just hustling on their own. Right, but what's your point like the the idea of of culture, take a little piece of everything. If you can take the beauty of New Zealand, just the basic beauty of the country, New Zealand the kindness of the Japanese, probably the the bartering skills and just the gritty hustle of India. I'm trying to think the fun the absolute fun of the Portuguese. We had so much fun in Lisbon, Portugal, and just how they celebrate and they they just take on life and they just love life so much. Take that from the Portuguese. The emotions of the the Italians, we spent, we spent time in Sicily, and just just run around in northern Italy for two and a half weeks in a car. Those people are just amazing. And they're gorgeous. The Sicilians I used to have a list of in my head of the most beautiful people around the world. Sicilians are just gorgeous humans. They're just beautiful people.

Ari Gronich 46:57  

Really? That's interesting, because animals would have you feel differently. Who's that? Is that the sopranos would have you feel differently?

Matt Javit 47:06  

Yes, buddy. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, when we're on the island, and you just you'd be in a cafe, and a woman would walk in and you're just like, oh my god, that is just they're just gorgeous, gorgeous people. And then um, yeah, there's so much about the Chileans are beyond fun just so much financially. You know, how much how much fun we had there. But yeah, just take little bits pieces all that and create a create an island and disappear forever? For sure.

Ari Gronich 47:34  

Yeah, absolutely. So what would you recommend if somebody is thinking, Hey, you know, I'm, I'm, you know, my business is on lock it to travel a little bit I can be nomadic with with my business, you know, what would you suggest for places to go and, and ways for them to engage with the culture there.

Matt Javit 47:58  

So if we're talking post COVID, and it's the world's a little bit more normal, network normal. Yeah. I would if you've never traveled. And this is like your first opportunity to get out of the US, I would suggest, somewhere like Portugal, or Spain, where it is, it's absolutely different, especially like a place like Lisbon. It's gorgeous. It's hilly, it looks like a San Francisco, but small cobblestone streets, it's everything you would dream of about like a romantic, European city. And then you'll be there and you'll know that you're in a different land. But it's not a stretch, it's not crazy different. As if you were going to take the leap and go to Thailand, where it's the the form of transportation is different, it's the language barriers might be more extreme, you'd have less luxuries than you do at home. Although the entire world is catching up really fast. Now that we're going to 2021 the infrastructure around the world is so much better, the access to Wi Fi is great. They understand the luxuries of nice cafes, the entire world is catching up really fast. So but competitive angle, Americans watch this back a little bit because there's a lot of opportunity out there to go to these other places and live a very similar life than you do in the States at a much cheaper cost. And that's what's appealing about a lot of places if you can, if you can have a digital nomad lifestyle where you're making the US dollar, but you're spending it in places where that you can live like a king in Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, some of these amazing places. Albania you mentioned up and a beanie is awesome. Spend time in Albania and the dollar goes real far there. So if you if you can make that money and go there, your eyes will be open like how well you can live there. But you you don't want to if you don't if you don't want to people that want to jump all in and make that trip to to southeast asia where it's super cheap or latin america then a place like portugal southern spain greece croatia croatia is a little bit more expensive but it's gorgeous and nice yeah those that's what that would be my initial step and then once you get comfortable there you meet a lot of other travelers they're talking about colombia or they're talking about bali and bali is a huge digital nomad hub you start to hear about these places and you're ready to take that leap and it's something a little bit different not crazy extreme but it's just it's just different than what we're used to in america then you go there then you're then it's done you'll never come back because those places if you can make good money in those places it's just it's amazing it's so much fun and you'll meet other travelers and that's the coolest part about you meet other travelers but you get into the culture you start to understand the culture but you're meeting people that have that done more than you and have traveled more than than you have and they could tell you about the awesome places around the world then then your list just gets longer and longer of the places you want to go to and then at that point you're you're you're wrapped into the world and it's awesome

Ari Gronich 51:07  

how would you recommend people approach the local communities when they go their behavior wise and and so on

Matt Javit 51:19  

so i'm someone that if you have if you know you're staying somewhere for two weeks or more it's great to see a lot of places but i think you'll get more of it if you find a place you're like whether it's a cafe or lunch spot or a dinner spot and you visit once you're like this is like this place so my wife nikki she's a she's a vegan so we'd have to kind of be strategic and some of the places we'd go to i would eat anything but we would for her we'd find like some great spots and once you find that place that clicks for whatever category you're trying to fill go multiple times because the first time they're going to see you as like a customer or a traveler the second time they're gonna stick and recognize you're there they're like okay he must be stamped a little bit and after like the third time they're going to think that like you're you're more of like a local so then you can start to ask other questions of hey where else should i go what other weather weather places in town should i visit and they're going to treat you differently than just your first time in trying to get advice they know that you spent money there three or four times are getting comfortable with you because a lot of these places around the world in these smaller cafe restaurants it's the same owner there every day it's not like they have a staff like in america it's the same guy might be his house upstairs in the shops down in his in his basement or whatever in his in his front of his house and he's just working out of there so they'll get comfortable with you after three visits and then you can start to ask those questions and then they you never know where it could take you they might say well we're having this get together on saturday we would love for you guys to come over and hang out and then once you start getting in with the locals and doing what they do with their music or their their food or their drinks or however they partake and and what they're doing oh then it gets really fun so that's what i would definitely hit that spot find that local spot that you get a rhythm with and always be nice and cordial and tip like an american i think that they'll they'll like that because a lot of these places they don't tip so when you tip like an american they like you a little bit more as well

Ari Gronich 53:28  

that's awesome yeah i had that experience in greece with the restaurant and i would go there every kind of night after my shift so to speak to eat and eventually you know we would sit and talk for hours as doing greece and it turned out he had lived in boston for a little bit and had a restaurant in there in boston moved back to greece but he would make these like these special dishes that were really for him and because i was there talking to him all the time i literally had a constant supply of food that was his experimental recipes you know this lemon lamb lemon sauce lamb i mean just amazing he would be like he'd come out with a plate say okay we're testing this food let's try this out and we would just sit and talk for four hours

Unknown Speaker 54:30  

and what's the best about the culture it

Ari Gronich 54:31  

was pretty cool so

Matt Javit 54:33  

yeah that's the best

Ari Gronich 54:34  

that is definitely a thing to do you know what what what's your biggest message the thing that you want people to know the most about culture and diversity and this you know as you say cultural immersion travel what do you want americans to know the most and then what would you suggest just two people who might be coming from outside of the us into the us that would help americans feel more comfortable about the people that are coming to visit us because we obviously have an issue with immigration even though it's been the cornerstone of our country but i know that there are some things that people feel foreigners or foreign travelers are doing wrong or would they would like to see different when when they come to visit us so let's let's take it on both levels because let's get you know our foreign relations back in in the right direction by just understanding each other's culture so let's that both sides

Matt Javit 55:49  

yeah i think a lot of it comes to just checking your ego at the door and taking just taking a step back away from political correctness and when you're stepping into these cultures don't see it through the lens of of how media portrays people and just take it on in the most authentic way that you can in judged for yourself what you experience and not with the short lens that you might have going into it and form those new relationships as you can in those in those foreign lands and as you as you're as you're going with a very positive a very fresh ideal of these people are going to say that they're really good people until they show me different and then you're going to have a better experience it's just like anything in life that if you approach it the right way positive will come out of it and then when you're when you're in that don't don't try to push your americanisms on them just just attempt to be in the moment and understand that why they live the way they live because what you got to understand in america is no matter if we are money first we are a money first country all the headlines all the information it's all about economic value to the individual the corporations the government that's what we focus on these other countries around the world are not like that a lot of places are family first their community first there they might be religion first so they're not they don't they don't see it the same way we do when we see a restaurant such an easy example you see a restaurant you're like man they can make so much more money here if they did it this way instead it's like no they have the most fun here because they do it this way and it's that's why it's the families are the restaurants are in a family's name for generations because at the end of the day they make enough to to have a stable income for the family to have this great thing in for their community so just check your ego at the door and when you're when you're going to these places do the best you can to not bring all the baggage with you because that's how you're gonna get the most out of it and you're going to see it a different way and then those those visitors traveling to america i would say the same thing that don't believe everything you see on your news in your foreign lands because when you talk to when we talk to other people and you ask them what do you think about america a lot of that i had one conversation i had do you guys have school shootings all the time like that's what they see that's what they think about and we have school shootings all the time and it's like so they what they're getting a bed from their news because it's the real governments around the world some of which hate the freedoms we have in america so the best way that you could target those freedoms is to show this is what freedom gets you this is how if you have all these freedoms here's here's the baggage that comes with freedoms school shootings this is you want you want guns here's what happens you're gonna have you have killings everywhere we talk to people about oh my gosh should we because a lot of times we want to say we're from indianapolis we'd say chicago because it's easier for them to to understand like oh chicago is so violent they're al capone things like that so that's so if you if you're coming to america check that at the door as well and you understand that we are a kind people and we might not be as inviting as some of the places that you're from but if you ask the right people you make eye contact and you talk to people americans are nice people and we're going to be kind and we're inviting and the other part too is that i do this with i've had friends that like correct me in public settings because the idea that i have traveled and i've had a chance to meet a lot of amazing people around the world i'm pretty good at it understanding where you might be from based on what you look like. And so I'm not afraid to approach somebody and say, Excuse me, I'm just gonna be curious what your heritage is, or what part of the world you're from. And it's turned into some great conversations. Because if I, if I see somebody that if I look, they look Vietnamese to me, and I say, what part of the world you from? And they say, Vietnam is amazing. I spent three months there are, what part of the world and what part of the country are you from? And they say, Well, actually, I

was, I came over here when I was six, but my parents are from Hanoi, then I can take them down that conversation to have an awesome conversation to get to know each other a little bit, tell my experience their country, and how much fun I had. And I've had people, my friends, say, like, Whoa, dude, that sounds like you're being racist. Like, no, it's not racist. Um, um, everybody likes to talk about where they're from. Like, if you live in the States, you're from Kansas City, you can tell me how good the barbecue is in Kansas City. So So these folks come from a different land. And they're proud of that. Don't be afraid if you approach it the right way. Don't be afraid to have a conversation with somebody about where they're from, because you might actually learn something. And if you're in if you're in a work setting, and somebody is from India, or Poland, or from a different part, and you get to know a little bit about their, their homeland, you might want to take that trip to Warsaw, Poland, because you hear how awesome it is. And so that's what. So my point is, like, if you come here, don't be afraid to tell us where you're from. Because you might meet somebody that's actually traveled there. And then they they're really inviting. And then use use the, because Nikki and I use the technology around the world views work away, where we volunteer our services, for pre bed to stay. And we use trusted house sitters, where we watch the pets in people's home for free place to stay. We things like meetup, where you can get on meetup and find groups that have similar likes and interest, and you can join a meetup and then meet other people that do the same thing. Use it and those are easy ways to, to as you're traveling, meet other people, and then they'd might invite you in. So I would definitely use the technology out there because it might help you get in to like subcultures within the US, and then you can get invited and you're gonna have a more authentic trip as well just like just like we had when we use those technologies in other places. Awesome. What do you think?

Ari Gronich 1:02:23  

If? What do you think the benefit to in revising for both companies government what, you know, whoever it is that's doing the incentivizing but to incentivize travel to other countries, versus right now what we have is kind of like disincentivizing Yeah, all kinds of things. And I'm not talking about during pandemic, I'm talking about generalized, because the pandemic to me is something that's it will end quarantines will end lockdowns will end at some point, and we'll be able to, you know, move freely about the earth. So

Matt Javit 1:03:04  

you're saying, the idea of like, take take Bali, Indonesia, there, the our government would send us there, or their government is inviting us or

Ari Gronich 1:03:19  

government and, you know, companies, I'm not I'm not prescribing a way of incentivizing it specifically, that it becomes an incentivized thing. Versus stay here only know what's in your box. And what's in your office building is, you know, we Americans like to do our 40 to 80 hours a week in one building for 40 to 60 years and and get a gold watch. So we have a limp. You know, we have a history of limiting our perspectives to a very small thing. The other thing, you know, I notice about pretty much, you know, criminals and violence is that it's block oriented, right? If you're on this block, you're in this particular gang, if you're on that block, you're in a different gang, because and you can't go to our block and so we won't go to your block because you're right, so that we limit our perspective, I feel by ghettos and, and communities and blocks. I mean, I remember in Los Angeles, I would talk to somebody in South Central who had never been to the beach. The beach is what five miles away from South Central. So it was like you've never gone outside of this. This really small place. There's been no incentivizing you to leave your little block. And so perspective is only the block. So I'm asking like what would be the benefit for a company companies say to send their employees overseas to go to these other countries, whether it's government, whether it's companies doesn't matter, I'm just saying the benefit to people to be incentivized, so that they feel like traveling to overseas is a doable thing. A lot of people don't even think it's doable.

Matt Javit 1:05:23  

I think when you're looking at the dynamics of America, where where money is, Trump's all is the idea that it can bring economic value to your company. So because if you understand the hustle in the hard work that goes in to some of these other countries, and you get a chance to live in, walk in and walk through their marketplaces, and see how they, how they sell, and how they interact with their, with their community, you will inspire your employees. So for me, just that the idea that we're Cush here, it's easy, America's easy live, and we have no idea what the hardships that go on around the world. And that's the most eye opening thing I work with an underprivileged community on Indianapolis is Westside. It's not underprivileged, when it looks when you compare it to some of the dire settings around the globe. But in America, it's it sucks. It's It's rough. But so when you go to these other places, and you get to live, and get to see how most of the world interacts, and you're going to come back with a freshness and appreciation of what your company has given you the opportunity to achieve, and what did living in America gives you as well. And I think just that motivation, inspiration of traveling, some of these places around the world will give you any gives you a different set of eyes on how you're looking at your product or service, or whatever it is you're offering. Within your business, you will look at how other cultures might look at what you're you're delivering, or how just individuals are selling, or positioning what they're selling. So that's, that's for me, I, that's the best thing about travel is the idea that you get to see, especially if you've got a product to get a global product, if it's on an e commerce or something like that. And you can you can find potential customers out there and how they view what you're positioning, you can see their perspective on what you're positioning, if they would ever buy it or not. And because we we'd like you're saying we look at things in the box that we know. So as you expand that and see how other people might target it differently. It's going to it's going to be give you more opportunity potentially in the market. But I think just for the motivation, I wish that will will likely never have a scenario where other countries have around the world where 18 year olds have to do military for a year. What but I wish in America, we would say okay, when you're 18, you have to go travel to some of these third world countries to get into their culture for just a month. And because if you go, if you go to some of these places around the world, that are much different than we are, you're gonna have an appreciation for the globe, you're gonna, you're gonna appreciate these other cultures, but then you need to come back to America and understand what you have is pretty damn good. And you're going to complain a whole lot less. So

Ari Gronich 1:08:27  

we give him a trip to end the complaining, I appreciate that.

Unknown Speaker 1:08:34  

Cuz that's what the things that

Matt Javit 1:08:36  

we think the made up things that we complain about in this country are just analysts and other other countries have to look at us like, Oh my god, these guys have it all. And all they do is whine. And it's and that's that's the heart. But when you hear all the whining that goes on, it's like, man, if you had any idea how other parts of the world lives, you would be so appreciative. And that's what I think it could really open. It'll never happen. But that's why I'm really big on that gap year thing. The Europeans do with the Australians do it. We made a lot of travelers out there that were either 18 or 22 years old, because they were either going right after high school, or they're going off to college. It's a great time to see the world because your mind still fresh. It's not jaded, and you still have big dreams and hopes. And if you experience other parts of the world, you're gonna come back and bite Yeah, this is it's fresh and new. And it's it's a different way to think about your home country. So that's why I wish we I wish Americans more that I wish we did this. I wish we adopted the whole gap your idea?

Ari Gronich 1:09:34  

Right? So here, here's a my last, like, major question. We look at communities and we'll see a documentary or so and the happiness versus happiness in countries versus the money in countries right. So think it was the Himalayas that Gods ranked as the happiest community, the happiest people on earth. And those himalayans don't really have a lot of money. When you traveled to say, India, or any really of these cultures, were the happy people, those that had or those that did not. And what could you define as the thing that like the deciding factor? Because, you know, we all get taught that the happy that the more money and the more stuff we have, the happier we'll be. But I don't think I've seen that in the world. So I haven't traveled as much as you. So you know, why don't? Why don't you share? Like, where did you see the happiness factor plan?

Matt Javit 1:10:59  

It's, for me, the happiest people we met, were the most present in the moment that they were. And most of the time, they had the least. And it was that took took driver in India, that's making $1 a day, but extremely present. And they're in you, when you're talking to him, you know, he's talking to you and not thinking ahead. And that's a lot of the problem in America is we're always dreaming into the future. And we're not, we're not here present in the day that we're living in. And that was, it was quite a battle when we traveled because we were going to all these amazing, tremendous places. And so there was always a new location on the horizon. But the time that we were in that country, we knew that it was limited, so we wanted to be as president we as we could be. And that's what we attempted to do is we try to stay in those in the moment as much as we can. And we that really made us live happier. But there's, there is no half you cannot, I mean, it's a cliche for reason, you can't, Money can't buy happiness, and we saw it everywhere, people with the most humble settings would invite us in for a drink. And they would want us to come to their house so bad to see their house. And so we take them up on we go to their house, and it was like a small apartment with a bedroom and the kid would sleep on the couch. And it was in, they would go to the top shelf, to get the whiskey that they only brought out when they were celebrating and they would pour me a shot of whiskey. Because I knew I like to drink whiskey. And it was those situations where people had nothing. But they were so happy in the moment always present in so giving that you're like you really check check like okay, what what is important. And for those people, it's community, it's family, it's the kindness to strangers and things like that. And, but we saw we saw good things from from rich people as well. But you would see the most like pure joy from those with little that were just ultra present and what they were given. And just thankful. Just the just the gratitude and thankfulness on a daily basis is what really some of those communities you can just feel it. You just feel it as you're walking the streets. And just the smiles the endless miles. Yeah, it's so it's it's it's it's easy to say. But in the world that we live in where consumerism is just so in our face every day, it's difficult to back away. And that was part of our journey or part of our trip. And the reason that I wanted to do it for two years more than two years, is to really get away from the things that we come came so accustomed to, and how easy it is to push that Amazon Buy button. And it does a recession, we reset but then once you get back into America, man, it's so easy. It's just so easy to buy what you want every day and just get caught up in the cycle of habit. Now habit habit here. Why wait two weeks if I can have it tomorrow, you know what I mean? And it's, it's, it's tough. It's not easy to get out of what we're how we're wired in this country. And the fact that it's, it's pushed upon us. And it's easy, so easy. So,

Ari Gronich 1:14:43  

you know, here's the thing. Do you think that it's possible, to experience the American way of life and be happy like In community and in touch with our people again, because I think that, you know, the 50s was kind of like the last vestige of lock party and community and and people living that way. And even then it was, you know, it was only really a certain demographic of people that that did that. But you know, do you think that that the to match at all? Do you think that that the American way of life, so to speak with the, the amazing drive to go further and do more and create more and so on, do you think that that lends itself to having a society that can be considered happy content?

Matt Javit 1:15:59  

Yeah, that's tough, because the American Dream is real. And we would, we would hear the words American Dream around the world. It's not something it's just not the phrase that we use. It's used around the world. And it's real, you can go from zero to billion here, there's, there's many stories, from rags to riches in our country. And the idea that it's built into our DNA to have these stories, and to connect that to, to success. And money is where you're trying to aspire to, is deep into who we are. So I don't know, I think it's, I'm a gamma, I'm a dreamer. I'm a driven person. And a lot of that is connected to financial gains, too. But it's, I think it's how you how you view money. If you view it as a trophy, or you view it as freedom, I view money as freedom. And that the idea that if, as I'm making it, I'm creating more freedoms that I don't I can do my own thing. And it's, it's how you look at money, whether you're, whether you're feeling you're filling your house up with a bunch of things, or you're using it to create new experiences in your life. I think that's that's the that's the difference. But I'm not sure man, I don't I'm not sure. I'm optimistic. I know that America is a great place. But the hardest part is is the controller's of the information. Is is scarier now than it's ever been. I'm not that old of a person, I'm 44. But I know it's changed so much, in these last 20 years that the controllers have the information that we receive, is, that's the scariest part is that they can dictate how they think they want us to live. And it's showing that they can actually move, move masses of people to think a certain way. And that's the scariest thing is, hopefully this next generation, I understand that you can cut away and not rely on this information, and get away from some of these platforms. But it's going to be really hard. to, to to detach. In so I think it's two things. It's it's this idea that we want to live out our dreams and have big goals. But it's hard to think that true happiness might be getting off all these social platforms, and disconnecting and becoming more closer to nature. You know, I mean, that's all it's just, it's so much easier said than done. Because it's so easy to just jump on Twitter real quick, and look at what's going on in the world. And it just changes your whole your whole way of thinking, for the next half hour in your mind's going crazy. Because it's it's such a happier life to think like, okay, it's that all this information is not really messed with me anyway. But you think about other stuff that people get angry about. And it really doesn't really affect them day to day, and they get so mad about it. It's like, is this really gonna affect you tomorrow? No. So if you cut it out, and you just stay zoned in on what's, what your world is, and present your world and the people around you, you're going to be much, much more happier person. But it's so easy to just click that button and see what's going on in the world and get irate about it.

Ari Gronich 1:19:25  

Yeah, it's interesting, you know, as as we've moved away from physical contact with each other, and that kind of thing. We've moved more towards this, as we call it global citizenship, which is otherwise known as Facebook. And, and so we think that we're connected because we're seeing all of this stuff. You know, we're not in the present. We're in you know, we don't know if that post was photoshopped, and if It was three years ago is like, I saw this, this video at the beginning of the pandemic stuff of this string of tanks in Long Beach. Going down the road, right?

Unknown Speaker 1:20:13  

Yeah, yeah, I've

Ari Gronich 1:20:14  

seen that tank after tank after. And you think that is this happening right now? No, that was three years ago. And it was basically when the military base was like having a parade of new equipment or to the to the military base. But you know, it's played as if it's happening now. And so the present becomes mixed with the past, which becomes convoluted in the future. And nobody knows. What's, what's real. Yeah, for what's in here, and what is in here, like your eyeballs in the natural world, meaning not on a screen. And, yeah, I

Matt Javit 1:20:55  

have a, I have a hope that it would have to go through a much darker time. But with these deep fakes, the idea that you can manipulate video, is that we get to a point where you can't believe anything. Like you literally, I'm almost there personally, where, if I read anything, I'll triple check if it's if it's moving enough for me to say like, Whoa, what is this, I'm trying to dig deep into the details or to find the real truth. If we get to a point where you literally can't believe anything, video, audio, and headlines that people say it's all fake. And then they really release themselves from all the platforms. If we get to that tipping point, I thought we'd get there pre political, I thought there would be deep fakes with Trump, and Biden saying things and I thought it would be used in a bigger way than it was. But I think there's going to be a situation where we get to that point where you literally can't believe anything you see online, that you're like, all of this is fake, even the stuff that I want to believe it's all fake. And then you're gonna see people really step back and say, I'm not using anything anymore. And we get back to a situation where we're in more of local communities. And maybe things like these neighborhood apps and stuff like that, which those even get a hotel. I'm not sure if you're on any of those where the local neighborhood apps they get, they get political and it gets wacky, real quick, and then it now you're looking at your late neighbor, like and you can't see anything you want to say cuz you know, they know where you live. So yeah, it's, we were but here it is, man. It's it's all this technology is so new. We're just learning. We're just trying to figure it out on the fly, how we're supposed to use this stuff. And we got a people with a lot of money, that have their own agendas, pushing down among the people on how they want us to use this stuff. So it's, it's scary times for real?

Ari Gronich 1:22:56  

Yeah, absolutely. So let's end on an amazing note. What are three tips, tricks, suggestions that you might have for our audience? If they're planning on going on a trip somewhere or doing some digital nomadic Nomad ship, you know, give some some actionable things that they can do to create their new worlds today?

Matt Javit 1:23:24  

Yeah, yeah. So what I would do is, if this is a dream of yours in the next six, 912 months, three years, start early with the profiles that are important. I was just I was just saying bad things about the social but there's, there's some platforms out there that are really positive. Like I said, we use workaway. We use trusted housesitters. workaway, essentially, is you giving your skills up, or there's a long list of different skills that you could give to that community. And then people around the world, we'll invite you into their homes, to do that job for four to eight hours a day. And I'll give you a place to stay. And you're instantly involved with other volunteers and amazing hosts into the community that you get to see real local experiences. But you don't want to wait last minute to do things like work away. meetups, trusted house sitters, all these amazing websites that help travel be cheaper, because everybody thinks travel is real expensive. You can do travel in a cheap way. And that's one of those ways. So if you set up those profiles now and you do things local, so if you're somebody lives in Des Moines, Iowa, and you get on work away, you can actually do work always in Iowa. So maybe a weekend you go and you help Sally on her farm. Do the goats hang out with the goats you stand at Sally's place, and then when you leave Sally gives you five stars. If you're building those five star reviews early in the process, then you want to go go down to Machu Picchu in Peru for two weeks. Keep your costs down. You can you can to maybe do some volunteer work in cusco peru for six days you meet locals you're hanging out you're helping with the bed and breakfast you're staying for cheap and then you get to go see machu picchu because you have these great ratings but you got to build these profiles up over time and then that helps you become more trustworthy to those communities so that would be my thing to really help keep the cost down from a budget standpoint is think strategically strategically beyond that and then and that's a long one because it's a lot of different things in there so it's kind of three in one and then i would just from a financial standpoint you want to line things up there are certain there are certain bank cards that work better for atms around the world there's certain credit cards that give points to keep your travel mileage down we use we use that a bunch on the road and it's from a budgetary standpoint that's what you want to do and then i think it's great to dream i think it's awesome to to look at these locations around the world that you want to go to and do a lot of research and and dream about these places and really look at the places you want to go to and think forward because it helps it just it boosts your positivity um as you're as you're going through the grind of saving all that money that you need to travel that dreaming process really helps out

Ari Gronich 1:26:24  

awesome and if anybody wants to get ahold of you if you know how do they do that

Unknown Speaker 1:26:30  

the easiest way is probably passportjoy.com that's nick and i's blog it's got the it's got the podcast on there it's got our amazon prime series that you mentioned i got a book that i've sold so all that all that stuff is on passport.com

Ari Gronich 1:26:46  

cool and last but not least we're just gonna you know send them off with the most amazing short story that you have from your travels so just like what what was the best experience you possibly had

Matt Javit 1:27:11  

i think this will this will summarize a lot of things we talked about today about how amazing humans can be and it was one of the highlights of my journey so my big brother is extremely important my life and he's somebody that's kind of what we described prior where hadn't really traveled that much and really lived in kind of a not necessarily closed minded but couldn't understand what was out there he would even ask me from time to time like matt i don't understand why you're doing these things i don't understand why why you're going to these places and i will try to explain them how amazing it was so towards the end of our journey him and his wife joined nikki and i in danang vietnam and we had they had nine days there we had the time of our lives hanging out with them going to the markets showing them the fresh fruit of the restaurants hanging out the beach doing all the things you can do on demand it's an amazing city whenever our favorite place in the world and during that adventure my brother and i would go on these long scooter trips because the scooter lifestyle in vietnam is tremendous so we take out these scooters and my brother's a big beefy guy like i said i'm six six about 240 pounds my brother's like six foot real stacie and big one the strongest dude you'll ever meet and we're both we both got a bunch of tattoos on us and we're on these on these scooters going out to see these beautiful mountains through these through these more rural settings where they're not used to seeing americans and it was it was during the chinese new year which is a huge celebration in vietnam and so we're going out there about an hour and 20 minutes out and while we're going out a bunch of people were waving at us and at first i didn't understand what's going on but then later it clicked that during the chinese new year it's luck for them to invite people into their homes so on that we went saw this amazing lake in in mountain that we were going to i told my brother i said hey if we get invited to go to somebody's house we're stopping we got to stop dude and he's like alright we'll do it so we're coming back and sure enough this kid was waiting on us and like signaling us to come in so we stopped at scooters and we pulled over and we go into their home and it was a mate one kid spoke english he translated for the family that was his his father was there as well he had worked in he was in the military and so he was translating for the entire family but they brought out all this food all they brought out the heineken beer and they were just taking us in and it was like you got to beef head look and americans were kind of intimidating if you didn't know us and they're just inviting us into their home and bringing out the best stuff for us to have a broken conversation and to understand each other just a little bit better And to start their new year, the right way. And we left there like, Man, this is it's just a tremendous feeling to know how amazing people can be and how inviting they can be. And we just both left there with an amazing experience. And also just this, like there's a warm feeling of how awesome humans are.

Ari Gronich 1:30:20  

That's awesome. Thank you so much for being here. If you could leave everybody, with with one thought one final thought that is what you'd like, you know, all of these experiences that you've culminated together, you know, one thought that you'd like the audience members to get, what would that one thought be?

Matt Javit 1:30:45  

I would say that it's okay to want to live out your dreams. And it's okay to dream big, and then want to, to work through it and make it happen. Before we took this big adventure, there was no way I could live this out. I'd made every excuse my mind why it just wasn't for me. And then finally, it clicked to say like, Hey, I can do this, too. And I'm sure there's there's a listener out there that saying, they've been dreaming about this for a while and thinking it's not. It's not possible for them. But I promise you, you can do it. We did it. And now I've got other dreams that I'm working on. And it's possible for you to do it as well. Awesome.

Ari Gronich 1:31:27  

Thank you so much for being here. I know that the audience members have gotten a lot from this, and this is your host Ari Gronich with another episode of create a new tomorrow. Remember to like, subscribe, rate review, comment below so that we can start conversations that change the world. Create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world. Thank you for being here. I really appreciate it.

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Matt Javit 0:00  

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Ari Gronich 0:07  

Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to Like, Subscribe rate review comment on the end of this show, just so that we can start the conversation and get it going. All right, we've got with us today, Sandy Rodriguez. Sandy has been a translator. She's been a journalist for different both US and Mexico publications. She's lifestyle website and cinco multimedia company heart of Hollywood motion pictures. So she's done a lot in the industry. I'm gonna let her kind of give you a little bit of her background and why she became who she is.

Sandy Rodriguez 0:49  

dThank you so much. Sorry. It's wonderful to be joining you today. I love your show. Well, after that beautiful introduction, let me tell you, yes, you're right that I have been doing many different things. For a very long time. I was involved very directly in journalism. I was one of the editorial coordinators for one of the foremost newspapers in Latin America. That was a newspaper called reformer, which has been around for decades, and it's very, very successful. And that was something that I was very passionate about journalism and my career specifically, I can't say enough good things about about the time that I spent at reforma. But eventually, after about a decade and a half a little bit more than that, I had a personal non professional reasons to decide to move to Los Angeles. So I had to move from Mexico City to Los Angeles, which made sense on a personal level for specific reasons that I will later expound upon. But professionally speaking, it might not have been the wisest of choices, because I was walking away from a successful career at the very height of my career, and moving to a new town, where I knew very few people. And more to the point I This was at a particular point in history, where, you know, the blogosphere, if we can call it that was booming, and a lot of people were creating free content. Now, of course, you cannot say that there was a quality standard across the board. But some people were coming out with extraordinary content, very high quality content for free. So that would certainly did not motivate new employers to say, Hey, welcome, new person to the fold. Welcome. We have plenty of money for you. No, of course not. People were doing that more for fun or to voice opinions at the time. So there really was, it was a little bit challenging finding projects to collaborate on, I did find several, several interesting projects, several interesting companies and people to work with. But this was mostly, let's say, for fun, because it was not one called gainful employment, I was happy to do so. But I did need to find something else, which is when I felt a totally new venue, which, as you mentioned, had to do with translations. I translated a number of books, maybe 10s of books, all kinds of business books, self improvement, medical novels, a number of books of different of different kinds, all of them bestsellers from major publishing houses. And I also eventually fell into a totally new career, that was chord interpreting. And to be honest story, I adore it, it was a wonderful fight. And, as you said, I'm doing a lot of things. But most of them have something in common, which is language communication, they all center around that, that that specific field. And I consider myself a bilingual communications expert. Because of that. I'm very well versed in different forms of communication. And I just love to connect with people such as yourself.

Ari Gronich 4:15  

That's, that's pretty awesome. So we kind of talked a little bit before the show. And one of the questions that I wanted to talk to you about is translating different languages in my eyes is a completely different mindset. Yet, you know, you get into the culture and the mindset of the language that you're learning or the language that you're translating. So, how does that work for you? Because obviously, your main other language is Spanish and so, you know, to me, there's a very distinct culture in the Spanish language and as well as as a culture at whole. So how does the language influence The mindset and the culture.

Sandy Rodriguez 5:04  

I think it's very interesting. I think that that can be answered in two different ways. Sorry. For example, if you are, say a bilingual or trilingual individual, or you personally know a number of languages, it might be that you learn one at a specific point in your life and the other one at a different point in your life. So your personality can actually vary, depending on the language you're using. Let me give you an example. Let's say that, as a teenager, you exclusively spoke German. Okay. And then you started learning, say English as an accomplished adult. I believe that when you personally spoke German, your whole attitude might be more useful, and more playful and more teenage like, then when speaking in English, for a number of reasons, not only because it would remind you of a particular point in your life, but also, because of the fact that you will have the vocabulary that is in line with that type of stage in life.

Ari Gronich 6:09  

Absolutely. You know, it's funny to me, because I look at things like the Bible, and the Torah, and the translation, the things that get lost in translation between old Aramaic, and then Hebrew, and then Latin. And then English, let's say that that's the the only few languages that you know came in between. And then I think of things like the game telephone, that we used to play, where a kid where you whisper in somebody's ear a phrase, and it goes around the room, and then you find out what it has become, when when you get to the, you know, the other side, and what gets lost in translation. It's not just the words that get lost, it's the tone and the emphasis of word and the place where you would put a comma, you know, in languages where there may not be a comma or a separation of, of those words, right, or, like in Hebrew, there's no vowels and Aramaic, there's no vowels. And so you have to interpret what the word is, and the sound and the Val, and you know, before you can get it. So what gets lost in translation between cultures is really prevalent right now, in our society, we don't we have many different cultures that do not speak the same language, even within the English language. And I think that if if we began to try to translate the languages and understand what's actually being said, we may have a different interpretation of the culture that it came from. Do you find that that might be the case as well?

Sandy Rodriguez 8:04  

I think you're completely right. I think that's completely accurate. In many cases, the issue lies in the fact that there are no words to say what needs to be said. For instance, in English, you might say, I saw somebody screaming and shouting and yelling, okay, in Spanish, there's just one word to describe all three things. So if you were to write a paragraph, that included all of those three things, your Spanish translator might be at a loss, because they simply could not, you know, maybe used all three words in a sentence for emphasis, it would be very difficult for a Spanish interpreter to work around that, for instance, and I've had the experience, you're mentioning the Bible specifically. But I've had the experience of translating many books of many different styles. All of them have been bestsellers for one specific reason. So recently, publishing houses only request translations of best selling material. You

Ari Gronich 9:03  

know, it's funny that the reason I always bring up the Bible when it comes to translations is just a minor one. But there's, you know, that saying about Jesus having walked on the water, well, that that word on wasn't in the language it was, I so didn't walk on the water walked by the water. And if you I mean, just those two words alone, change the meanings so drastically, of what's being said. And so therefore, the misinterpretation that gets misinterpreted over and over and over again, throughout, you know, history and telling stories, becomes something so much larger than maybe it was, and, you know, I look at how does that conflate up and then how can I relate that to you? current society of oven which language has become? So interestingly separative, you know, there was there's there's each borough, for instance of New York City has a different accent. I guess, the tell if somebody was from the Bronx, from the Queen from Queens from Brooklyn from Manhattan, I could tell just by their accent, where they were from, and then you go, let's say to the south in Tennessee versus Louisiana versus Texas, very, you know, different, or Atlanta, very different accents, very different wording, and inflections and so on, and how much misinterpretation of things get said, right? And then how is it that we are separate as a society so much and so divided and divisive? And would it behoove us to shift so that we all have kind of one language? Or is it better to really understand the language that the person is speaking? You know, what, where? Where do we find that balance so that we can kind of come together as a society. And I'll just take it one last step further, because I know you've done medical books. So I believe that alternative healthcare and Western healthcare have a language issue. They don't speak the same language, because they weren't trained in the same things. And so the language that one speaks is completely different. And if we learn to speak to the language of the person that we're trying to influence, we'll get better outcomes, because we'll have more understanding. So I'm going to leave it there. But that's just kind of like the process in my mind of one of the issues that maybe has a solution so that we can bring ourselves back together versus divided. So separately.

Sandy Rodriguez 12:09  

I think right, that that's a very interesting point that you're touching upon about how language can cause a rift. And I agree that that's something that that should be addressed. I also think Ari, that even within one same language, people can have many different interpretations of one specific sentence, I remember reading about a situation in which an armed officer heard somebody tell an armed person, give it to him. Now that the officer assumed that the person that was being told to give it to him was also armed. In reality, that other person didn't have a gun, they had a wallet. And when their friend said, Give it to him, the officer assumed that the person had a gun and give it to him meant shoot the police officer. So obviously, the officer had that understanding, when in reality, the friend was saying, Give it to him, like, give them on your wallet, show him it's a wallet. So it was one same sentence that can be interpreted, like,

Ari Gronich 13:24  

give it to them, like kill him, or give it to him had him your wallet, that is one same sentence that can be interpreted or taken in two different ways. One of the things that I heard you say is that the attention span has gone down so much. And this has been something that I've heard repeated over and over and over and over and over again. And my question, is it the attention span? Or is it the expectation because I know, I watch my kids, and they'll get on to YouTube and watch hours of training and a thing that they're interested in, whether it's, you know, finances or politics, I mean, they'll they'll consume a mass amount of information. And they seem to have extremely long attention spans. And so I hear a say, well, the attention span has dropped it's seven seconds. Now the attention span is so we're almost lower than a goldfish. I mean, we have no attention. Is this just an expectation that they're trying to feed us because I've never experienced having a seven second attention span. I you know, my attention span is however long I'm interested in a subject if I'm interested in something I can look at it for hours and hours and hours and hours, and time disappears completely. And if I'm not interest Did I probably I'm going to be off subject, you know, pretty quickly. But typically, it's not seven seconds. And so I think that that might be something the media is feeding me instead of something that's actually real. So can we address that a little bit? Because you repeated it. So obviously, it's something you've heard of. But I disagree completely. I think that they're pandering.

Sandy Rodriguez 15:27  

I think you have a very valid point, airy. And I think that both things can be simultaneously true in the sense, I think, what is meant, or at least the way I perceive it, or the way I mean, it is in the sense, that when making a selection, the attention span, is indeed at least in my experience, very limited, because there are almost unlimited options. And you only have limited time.

Ari Gronich 15:56  

Is there anything else that you really like to talk about, we've had a very great conversation, I think that the audience has gotten a lot out of this. And you know, always at the end of any conversation, I'll ask you to give two or three actionable tips and tricks that somebody can do to improve their life create a new tomorrow today, and activate their vision for a better world. And and based on this conversation, what are some things that you would suggest to the audience that they can do in order to get more information and less opinion, more facts and less reactionary response to, to programming?

Sandy Rodriguez 16:44  

I think that the very last one of the very last things that we discussed was a very good tip in general, which is to understand what that whatever person or situation is being described, it's never all terrible, are all wonderful. And if a piece of news is telling you No, no, no, this was all terrible, all terrible. There's something wrong there. Or if it's something that's saying what you're reading, or this thing, or this person, or this candidate, or this policy is all wonderful, that's also not to be trusted, anything that is being described as 100%. Awful, or 100%. Excellent, is surely misleading. And a little bit more research needs to be done into that is what I think.

Ari Gronich 17:28  

Awesome. Anything else?

Sandy Rodriguez 17:31  

Well, the other thing is to apply that also to your personal life, like in, in normal situations, when encountering new friends, meeting new people starting a new job, any situation you may find yourself in, you might find people that that you at first, you might not enjoy meeting, you might say, oh, that seems like a difficult person, give them time, everybody has something good about them. Everybody has something that you might find pleasing, everybody can become a friend, eventually, I think it's just a matter of waiting it out or digging a little deeper. But absolutely.

Ari Gronich 18:05  

Yeah, you know, it's interesting, once you strive to understand somebody, it's hard not to like that person, you know, even if you don't agree with their position, or their, their, their thoughts, at least you understand where they're coming from. And typically, most people are coming from the same place that we are with the same wants and needs and desires in life. And, and it's hard to not like those people just because they might think a little differently or believe a little differently than you. So you have a book, why don't you give the topic of your book and a little bit about it so that the audience can get an idea and sense of who you are. And if they want to, to work with you or take a look at that book. How can they get ahold of you?

Sandy Rodriguez 18:57  

Absolutely. So the book I wrote was titled choose to prevail. And in fact, I have it right here. This is a book that is meant to help the reader find insights that might help them overcome challenges, be they big or small. When I say big challenges, I'm referring to maybe the loss of a loved one, or any situation that is causing them great grief. And when I say minor challenges, I might mean something as minor really as encountering a lot of traffic or perhaps feeling a little bit uncomfortable speaking in public, which is something many people struggle with. So many different types of struggles are addressed in the book. The way the book touches upon that is by suggesting ways to shift your perspective in regard to what is causing you grief, and also suggesting a few actionable steps. And in fact, there is one chapter that touches upon the fact that all of us have something in common, something's in common. So no matter who we may meet, even though they might seem tremendously different, There was always some common ground to be found. So that's something that we should keep in mind, no matter what it is that we're encountering. And if anybody cares to buy the book, it's available on all platforms, Amazon, Barnes and Noble Target. com, wherever they might enjoy buying their, their books. And

Ari Gronich 20:20  

thank you so much. Absolutely. It was a wonderful conversation. I like beating up the media, no offense to you, because I just believe that, that the media in general has a lot of soul searching that they need to do, and, and return to an integritas kind of way of doing their business so that we as the citizens who are are trying to learn about what's going on in our country can have a an actual sense of what that is, instead of this theoretical conceptual polarized step. So I appreciate you coming on. And I hope you didn't take any of that as personally beating you up. But

Sandy Rodriguez 21:12  

oh, no, I tried a conversation so much. And I agree so much with much of what you said. Absolutely.

Ari Gronich 21:18  

Well, thank you so much, and I appreciate that. So this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow, I am your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to like subscribe, rate review comments below so that we can start this conversation and really move along forward our society so that we could create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world. Thank you so much for being here, and I look forward to the next time.

Sandy Rodriguez 21:45  

Thank you.

Hi, i am here with Sandy Rodriguez. She is a former editor for Mexican newspaper Reforma, one of the most influential publications in Latin America. In this capacity, she interviewed numerous leaders and A-List celebrities, covered international fashion weeks and Hollywood press junkets, and took part in a prestigious fellowship program for international journalists sponsored by LG and Seoul National University in South Korea.

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Welcome back to another episode of create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to like subscribe, rate review comment on the end of this show, just so that we can start the conversation and get it going. All right. We've got with us today, Sandy Rodriguez. Sandy has been a translator. She's been a journalist for different both US and Mexico publications. She's lifestyle website and cinco multimedia company heart of Hollywood motion pictures. So she's done a lot in the industry. I'm going to let her kind of give you a little bit of her background and why she became who she is.

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Thank you so much, Ari, it's wonderful to be joining you today. I love your show. Well, after that beautiful introduction. Let me tell you, yes, you're right that I have been doing many different things. For a very long time. I was involved very directly in journalism. I was one of the editorial coordinators for one of the foremost newspapers in Latin America. That was a newspaper called reformer, which has been around for decades, and it's very, very successful. And that was something that I was very passionate about journalism and my career specifically, I can't say enough good things about about the time that I spent at reforma. But eventually, after about a decade and a half a little bit more than that, I had a personal non professional reasons to decide to move to Los Angeles. So I had to move from Mexico City to Los Angeles, which made sense on a personal level for specific reasons that I will later expound upon. But professionally speaking, it might not have been the wisest of choices, because I was walking away from a successful career at the very height of my career, and moving to a new town, where I knew very few people. And more to the point I This was at a particular point in history, where, you know, the blogosphere, if we can call it that it was booming, and a lot of people were creating free content. Now, of course, you cannot say that there was a quality standard across the board. But some people were coming out with extraordinary content, very high quality content for free. So that would certainly did not motivate new employers to say, Hey, welcome, new person to the fold. Welcome. We have plenty of money for you. No, of course not. People were doing that more for fun or to voice opinions at the time. So there really was, it was a little bit challenging finding projects to collaborate on. I did find several, several interesting projects, several interesting companies and people to work with. But this was mostly, let's say, for fun because it was not one called gainful employment, I was happy to do so. But I did need to find something else, which is when I felt a totally new venue, which as you mentioned, had to do with translations. I translated a number of books, maybe 10s of books, all kinds of business books, self improvement, medical novels, a number of books of different of different kinds, all of them bestsellers from major publishing houses. And I also eventually fell into a totally new career. That was chord interpreting. And to be honest story, I adore it. It was a wonderful fight. And as you said, I'm doing a lot of things, but most of them have something in common, which is language communication. They all center around That, that that specific field. And I consider myself a bilingual communications expert because of that, I'm very well versed in different forms of communication. And I just love to connect with people such as yourself.

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That's, that's pretty awesome. So we kind of talked a little bit before the show. And one of the questions that I wanted to talk to you about is translating different languages, in my eyes is a completely different mindset. Yet, you know, you get into the culture and the mindset of the language that you're learning or the language that you're translating. So how does that work for you? Because obviously, your main other language is Spanish. And so, you know, to me, there's a very distinct culture in the Spanish language and as well as a culture at whole. So how does the language influence the mindset and the culture?

6:02  

I think it's very interesting. I think that that can be answered in two different ways. Sorry. For example, if you are, say, a bilingual or trilingual individual, or you personally know a number of languages, it might be that you learn one at a specific point in your life and the other one at a different point in your life. So your personality can actually vary, depending on the language you're using. Let me give you an example. Let's say that, as a teenager, you exclusively spoke German. Okay. And then you started learning, say English as an accomplished adult. I believe that when you personally spoke German, your whole attitude might be more useful, and more playful and more teenage like, than when speaking in English for a number of reasons, not only because it would remind you of a particular point in your life, but also, because of the fact that he would have the vocabulary that is in line with that type of stage in life. I actually know a person once. And this is quite fascinating. That had two distinct personalities. It was so strange. When you heard this person speaking Spanish. This was a woman that was originally I believe, from California. So when she was speaking Spanish, which was her second language, she was very polite, very proper, a sweetheart. And when speaking English, I would say that she was quite the opposite. Now, I think that that might have been, because her Spanish was still not entirely fluent. So normally, when you're learning a language, your teachers will teach you the most polite phrases. How do you do good morning to you, sir, etc. So normally, that is what you would learn. And maybe that is not aligned with your personality at all. So definitely, that would be something that would be within one individual. So that would be one way to answer the question. Now, on a more general level, on a more culture wide level, it's also quite interesting, because, of course, I don't know, an extreme amount of languages. But it is true that some languages have more of, let's say, a feel, or the possibility the linguistic possibilities to discuss you as an individual or USA as part of a collective whole. So the words and the language that is spoken, might be slightly different, there might not be direct translations for something very specific, because some languages might be more focused on the individual than others. Specifically, I'm to show you a distinction that has to do with cultural differences from Spanish to English. In English, a construction similar to

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let's say, things were set up, things happened, people arrived, that kind of construction is relatively common, that is not a natural construct in Spanish. Normally, in Spanish, it's a little bit more descriptive, so that let's say you cannot be as vague or ambiguous in many cases as you might like to be without sounding very unnatural. That would be an example. But beyond the words themselves, I think that the way language sounds is also quite fascinating are because, as I was mentioning, I currently work as a court interpreter in the court system. And something that I feel should be addressed is the fact that some languages sound very sweet and very charming really, and some their natural sound, at least to our Western ears, or our English speaking ears sound very good. Reading are violent or rough, or, in some ways even menacing, when that's not the intention at all. So I think that it could happen that, let's say, if you're on a jury, and somebody a witness, for instance, is speaking a language that sounds like that, that sounds violent, maybe you might assume, oh, this person is clearly a super aggressive individual. And that might not be the case at all. He might be saying something super sweet, like, I was not there that they are, you know, something that is in no way menacing. But it might be perceived as something a little bit more violent. I actually had a similar experience. Not in recent years, some languages, for instance, certain Eastern European languages, and certainly German and some languages of that nature from those parts of the world. Sounds a little bit aggressive to us, both English speakers and Spanish speakers, and certainly people that might speak Italian or French, or some of the sweeter sounding, Latin, derived languages. So um, I met this man, a neighbor, and I thought, Oh, my goodness, he must be in a bad mood, because he was speaking in what I perceive to be tremendously aggressive. He was speaking English, yes. But in a way that was, to me, rather Curt. But then I learned I heard him speak his native tongue. And I thought, No, it's just that he has an accent and his natural tone. Sounds very, you know, like he's cutting you off. Like he's being a little bit aggressive. That's the thing. He's not being mean, he's not being rude. It's just the way his accent sounds. So that's something very important to keep in mind. And it works. The other way around. somebody with a sweeter sounding natural accent, might be saying the most horrifying of things. And you wouldn't really get that, right. It's just a situation where the sound is very different.

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Absolutely. You know, it's funny to me, because I look at things like the Bible, and the Torah, and the translation, the things that get lost in translation between old Aramaic, and then Hebrew, and then Latin. And then English, let's say that that's the the only few languages that you know came in between. And then I think of things like the game telephone, that we used to play, we were a kid where you whisper in somebody's ear a phrase, and it goes around the room, and then you find out what it has become, when when you get to the, you know, the other side, and what gets lost in translation. It's not just the words that get lost, it's the tone and the emphasis of word. And the place where you would put a comma, you know, in languages where there may not be a comma or a separation of, of those words, right, or, like in Hebrew, there's no vowels and Aramaic, there's no vowels. And so you have to interpret what the word is, and the sound and the Val and you know, before you can get it. So what gets lost in translation between cultures is really prevalent right now, in our society. We don't we have many different cultures that do not speak the same language, even within the English language. And I think that if if we began to try to translate the languages and understand what's actually being said, we may have a different interpretation of the culture that it came from. Do you find that that might be the case as well?

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I think you're completely right. I think that's completely accurate. In many cases, the issue lies in the fact that there are no words to say what needs to be said. For instance, in English, you might say, I saw somebody screaming and shouting and yelling, okay, in Spanish, there's just one word to describe all three things. So if you were to write a paragraph, that included all of those three things, your Spanish translator might be at a loss, because they simply could not, you know, maybe use all three words in a sentence for emphasis. It would be very difficult for a Spanish interpreter to work around that, for instance, and I've had the experience, you're mentioning the Bible specifically. But I've had the experience of translating many books of many different styles. All of them have been bestsellers for one specific reason. So recently, publishing houses only request translations of best selling material. That's the only thing because of financial constraints, that's the only way that it can be done. So it's very, it's a very high level of responsibility for a translator, they need to do a very good job because this is a book that is known to be a bestseller. And it will, it must become a bestseller in the language you're translating it into. But it becomes difficult in this sense, there, it's not so much a language thing, but more of a tradition of writing or a writing style that is used in different cultures. In general, I would say that writing in English be a business correspondence, a book, or even something as as extremely detailed as the Bible, I would say that overall, it's a very straightforward language, if that's the way that it that it's used, it's it's the writing tradition, that's the way it's simply it's done. Whereas in Spanish, things tend to be very roundabout. That is especially true in business correspondence, but it's also very true in literature. So if somebody were to do an exact translation of a document, or contract a book, from Spanish to English, it might appear to be that it's poorly done. If you were to go like literal, if you were to do this very literally, because the the English reader would say, well, that does not sound natural. Certainly that must be wrong, this person was not very experienced. So that is what would happen if you were to translate precisely what is being said. That is also why when interpreting we are trained to translate not so much word by word, because that would tend to happen, it would sound very choppy and strange, but rather to go by ideas or by meanings, so it might be, let's say, a saying such as I'm thinking, the early bird catches the worm or something of that nature, that is not the way you would say to Spanish, it would sound very strange, and the other way around as well. So you will find an equivalent saying something that has the same meaning. And use that instead. Because if you purify to go word by word, it becomes very complicated. And specifically what you were mentioning, in the case of, of the Bible cow, it can become like a game of telephone. Well, in the case of the Bible, certainly because there are many translations. But even if we were to go on a smaller scale, let's say that you gave me something to translate to Spanish and I did that. But then you told me, Hey, you know, I want you to do it, to give it back to me in English again, because now I want it back in English, and I had lost your original copy. Okay, I would have to do it again from scratch. And it might not be identical to your first your original text, because of the simple reason that there are so many ways to express the same thing synonyms, that it might not be identical, it would be the same meaning, but the specific words might be different. And in a case, as important as the Bible, that causes problems because the Bible much like say, a contract has I mean, every individual word is scrutinized. And people might assign a very specific meaning to the choice of words. So even something as minor as a comma as minor as a semi column as minor as a preposition might actually change the meaning dramatically. And that's why our translation involves a huge degree of responsibility. Certainly,

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yeah. You know, it's funny that the reason I always bring up the Bible when it comes to translations is just a minor one. But there's, you know, that saying about Jesus having walked on the water, well, that that word on wasn't in the language it was, I so didn't walk on the water walked by the water. And if you I mean, just those two words alone, change the meaning so drastically, of what's being said. And so therefore, the misinterpretation that gets misinterpreted over and over and over again, throughout, you know, history and telling stories, becomes something so much larger than maybe it was, and, you know, I look at how does that conflate up and then how can I relate that to current society of oven which language has become so interestingly separative You know, there was there's there's each borough, for instance of New York City has a different accent. I guess the tell if somebody was from the Bronx from the Queen from Queens from Brooklyn from Manhattan, I can tell just by their accent, where they were from, and then you go, let's say to the south in Tennessee versus Louisiana versus Texas, very, you know, different, or Atlanta, very different accents, very different wording, and inflections and so on, and how much misinterpretation of things get said, right? And then how is it that we are separate as a society so much and so divided and divisive? And would it behoove us to shift so that we all have kind of one language? Or is it better to really understand the language that the person is speaking? You know, what, where? Where do we find that balance so that we can kind of come together as a society. And I'll just take it one last step further, because I know you've done medical books. So I believe that alternative healthcare and Western healthcare have a language issue. They don't speak the same language, because they weren't trained in the same things. And so the language that one speaks is completely different. And if we learn to speak to the language of the person that we're trying to influence, we'll get better outcomes, because we'll have more understanding. So I'm going to leave it there. But that's just kind of like the process in my mind of one of the issues that maybe has a solution, so that we can bring ourselves back together versus divided. So separately.

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I think that that's a very interesting point that you're touching upon about how language can cause a rift. And I agree that that's something that that should be addressed. I also think that even within one same language, people can have many different interpretations of one specific sentence, I remember reading about a situation in which an armed officer heard somebody tell an armed person, give it to him. Now that the officer assumed that the person that was being told to give it to him was also armed. In reality, that other person didn't have a gun, they had a wallet. And when their friend said, Give it to him, the officer assumed that that the person had a gun and give it to him meant shoot the police officer. So obviously, the officer had that understanding. When in reality, the friend was saying, Give it to him, like give the man your wallet, show him it's a wallet. So it was one same sentence that can be interpreted, like give it to them, like kill him, or give it to him had him your wallet, that is one same sentence that can be interpreted or taken in two different ways. I've, I've had that happen in, in court situations, for instance, in domestic violence situations in Spanish, one same sentence might mean, he broke up with me, or he Well, he said he was going to break up with me, or he said he was going to finish me off, which as you can see, has a tremendously different connotation. So yes, certainly, it's very important to go a little bit beyond even if you say, I heard this with my very own ears, you need to understand that you might not be understanding what the person meant. We need to give people the benefit of the doubt, I think, certainly I'm discussing situations where you may or might not have time to give people the benefit of the doubt. But let's say in everyday circumstances, it's very important to, to take things, break them down a little, maybe we hear something or we feel that we are being told something that might be insulting or disparaging or something that we might not want to hear. But that might not be what the person meant at all. And it can certainly cause tremendous risks. It's quite interesting that sometimes you were talking about how, how many divisions can be formed, especially now that that people have very extreme opinions about things. I had this experience to people might listen to one specific political speech or one specific speech from say, a businessman. And everybody hears what they want to hear. They might kind of pick up on the one sentence that confirms their bias confirms whatever they want it to think about that person and completely ignore the rest. As somebody that is very moderate because I believe myself to be Very interesting people on on both extremes might hear one very same thing and have totally different takeaways. So that's also an important thing to consider that even if we say, I heard something, I heard it myself, yes. But you might hear it in a way that is very specific, based on your previous perceptions on your previous beliefs on your previous biases. And it's quite interesting. It really is interesting. I don't know if you've ever had an experience where you were you were part of a conversation. And later when discussing that conversation with other people that were also there, it seems to be that everybody came out with a different understanding.

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That Absolutely, I mean, that happens all the time. Every You know, every time just like if you get in a car accident, you have 15 witnesses, you have 15 completely different stories of what what they saw happen. And so here's here becomes a question. The soundbite culture is all about taking things out of context. Because if you're only playing the soundbite, and not what surrounded it, you are taking it out of context. And then as journalism has progressed, unfortunately, the way it has the commentators who are supposed to be the journalists, which report what happens, and having their own bias that they start commentating on this soundbite that they've taken out of context, and therefore, the people who listen to those journalists are only getting a soundbite taken out of context and an opinion based on a pre disposed bias, regardless of sides. It's either way. And so the question becomes like, how do we? How do we solve this as as a society because to me, journalism, used to be report the facts, once the facts are reported. A commentator might have an opinion about what happened, but they're gonna say, this is what happened. And then now, here's my opinion of what happened. Versus here is a little piece out of context of what somebody said, you know, so how do we solve this so that we can get back to believing in our media, believing that the things that are being said, are not agenda driven? are not anything other than here's what happened?

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That's a fascinating question. And I think you're absolutely right, in that sound bites are definitely what is being used most these days. I think that there is a reason for that. And that is that we have shorter attention spans, there's that. And also, there are just so many media outlets out there that they need to grab your attention. And a sound bite is basically the, let's say, equivalent to clickbait. The moment you hear something short, you might say, Oh, that's interesting. Let's have a look at what's going on with that. So it does grab your attention. There's a reason for that. And not only to create, you know, conflict, if there's a there's an actual reason you want to drive traffic to your site, to your channel, to your newscast to your media outlet, whichever it may be. So journalists, and many people these days do focus on sound bites, clickbait, and anything that might sound shocking enough to grab eyeballs grab attention. Certainly that's that's something that is done. Now, certainly, as a society, or as a person that consumes information, be it online or by any other means. We need to be a little bit less naive and understand what the purpose of the sound bites is. And the purpose is the same thing as with clickbait, it's to cause us to focus and say, oh, and pay attention to just just grab our attention. That's your main focus. Certainly, sometimes they are, like you said, very agenda driven. If a specific news outlet has something in mind, they can certainly cherry pick specific parts of a political speech or a speech given by any individual to advance their agenda and say, See, I told you so he said this, she said this. They say that, certainly, yes. But we need to be, as consumers a little bit aware of what's going on that so that we are not easily swayed, or, I mean, certainly, it's fun to say, Oh, you know what that person said? I mean, it's fun. It's interesting. It's attention grabbing, but we need to understand that there is an agenda behind that. And the agenda might either be to promote a specific person or a special tipping policy, or have that person canceled or make them become disliked. Or the agenda might be something as as innocent as simply driving more traffic to a specific website or news outlet. But in any case, as a consumer, we need to know that there is a purpose, much like what happens when we see commercials. They're fun, they're entertaining, some are very beautifully produced, they might have very cool music. But we know i mean that we take them at face value. I don't think that anybody says, Oh, I know that this product that I saw on TV must be fantastic. Because I saw it on a commercial. No, I mean, I think we're mature enough to understand there's there are interests in place. So we need to understand that a sound bite is a sound bite, it's something taken entirely out of context. Now, views are thing now how can we go back to the days of yore? Okay. Here's the thing, I do agree that in the past, long form articles were more the norm than they are now more recording on fax was done, then then it's done. Now. However, I do think that, at least in as far as I can remember, and I'm sure that this was the case even before. There's a journalistic saying, which is if it bleeds, it leads, which basically means things that are shocking things that are bad things that are negative, we want those are human interest story might be fun and fine. And occasionally, you know, a sprinkling of that is certainly something everybody wants heartwarming, you know, over the holidays, of course, but let's say on a normal day to day basis, what used to make front pages was always a terrible news, the terrible the violent, the bloody beheadings, killings, a terrorist. So that is also not entirely not to say that it didn't happen, because surely it did, especially effects are being reported. And there are witnesses supporting this. And there, there's no denying that these are facts, but it does give you a slightly skewed perception of reality. Because there are many things going on at any given time that are just not reported on that's one thing. For for many reasons, I cannot think that it's similar. Because if you just walk past a newsstand, like we used to do in the past, and the front page, that's something like a fireman rescues kitty out of a tree. Sure, it's interesting, but it might not be front page news. Whereas if it's something horrible, like killing mass murder, that tends to attract attention a little bit more. So we also need to be conscious of that as media consumers, even if we do enjoy the longer form reporting more, knowing that it might skew toward the negative. But that's not not the whole picture. Definitely.

32:50  

Gotcha. So one of the things that I heard you say is that the attention span has gone down so much. And this has been something that I've heard repeated over and over and over and over and over again. And my question is, is it the attention span? Or is it the expectation because I know, I watched my kids, and they'll get on to YouTube and watch hours of training and a thing that they're interested in, whether it's, you know, finances or politics, I mean, they'll they'll consume a mass amount of information. And they seem to have extremely long attention spans. And so I hear us say, well, the attention span has dropped in seven seconds. Now, the attention span is so we're almost lower than a goldfish. I mean, we have no attention. Is this just an expectation that they're trying to feed us because I've never experienced having a seven second attention span, I, you know, my attention span is however long I'm interested in a subject, if I'm interested in something, I can look at it for hours, and hours and hours and hours, and time disappears completely. And if I'm not interested, I probably am going to be off subject, you know, pretty quickly. But typically, it's not seven seconds. And so I think that that might be something the media is feeding me instead of something that's actually real. So can we address that a little bit because you repeated it. So obviously, it's something you've heard of but I disagree completely. I think that they're pandering,

34:46  

I think have a very valid point, airy, and I think that both things can be simultaneously true in the sense, I think what is meant or at least the way I perceive it or the way I mean, it is In the sense that when making a selection, the attention span is indeed, at least in my experience very limited, because there are almost unlimited options. And you only have limited time. For example, let's say that I want to take a course in, I want to take a guitar tutorial, let's say online. Okay, certainly once I find the tutorial that I like, I can certainly focus on that for a good long time, hours at a time days at a time, I'll be in the flow, I will love it. Time will just pass by that that is very true. However, I might be bombarded with 50 different tutorials, and then I'll start getting emails saying I have a better tutorial, and then I'll start getting flyers in the mail. And it'll be like, Okay, let me see. Okay. Does this instructor look talented enough? No. Okay, does this one look like they might capture my attention? No. So just making the decision is where it has to be like in a split second, almost, maybe, um, maybe that's just my experience. I agree that when you do like something, and when you find something that you like, you will focus, but let me give you an example. I like reading both physical books and electronics. What I often do is that I download samples of what can I say maybe 30 books at a time, because I'm interested in many topics. But to be honest, sorry, I open one. And if my attention is not captured by paragraph two, or three, it's by the next one by eventually I find one that I like that I purchased that one. And of course, I will delve into that I will spend an entire afternoon. And I will be delighted. But I think that I really don't have a lot of time, or I'm not giving them a chance. Beyond seconds. To be honest. Once I find something that I like, I might even become very loyal and follow the author or follow the Twitter or follow whoever I decided on online, and I might subscribe to their newsletter. But just the decision making, I do think it's almost like a split second thing.

37:01  

Right? So that sounds to me, like discernment versus attention span. And you're discerning, am I interested in what I'm just reading? Or what I'm just hearing? Or am I not interested in it at all. It's not something that strikes a fancy. That to me is discernment versus attention span. And like I said, I think that I think the media perpetuates that myth as a pandering and an excuse, to be able to show a soundbite out of context and say, This is what it means. And oh, by the way, you know, you don't have an attention span to even follow it. So I'm going to go on to the next soundbite. And then I'll tell you what it means because you won't have a You Won't you, you audience won't have the attention span. Because we collectively don't anymore to actually listen to this soundbite and then research what it was actually what was actually around it, and find out what it is. So I'm going to do your work for you. And what I you know, it's funny what I tell my son when he wants to, he's seven years old when he wants to go on and, you know, watch YouTube and do all these things. I tell them, you're borrowing your imagination from somebody else. And in the case of the media, you're borrowing your knowledge from somebody else, and then claiming it as your own because it It fits your belief system, versus actually knowing if that information is correct or not correct. If it's in context, out of context, what it really meant, what the person was really trying to say, what that policy really is, you know, I think it's a way of us basically abdicating our responsibility, our civic responsibility to learn and know things and just regurgitate the the things that the nearest person who believes in what we believe in is saying, and, and then the news and the media say, Oh, well, we can use this, to push our agenda on the people who believe in what we're believing in, and we'll tell them what they want to hear what they you know, the pieces of what we heard, that we know will trigger them the most. And to me, that's not really journalism. And so that's kind of where I want to pick up on this is that's not journalism. To me. That's opinion and there used to be an opinion column in the newspapers. I don't know if it's still there, but there used to be that was the purpose of the opinion column. There was the news and then there was the opinion. And and I find that that all news is Pretty much non factual opinion nowadays.

40:04  

I think you make very, very valid points. I have completely agree with many of the things that you're saying. I have seen certainly opinion columns recently. But you know, you're right in that they blur in with normal column C stay, because because you're absolutely right, most of the, let's say, reporting, those indeed include commentary, personal opinions, or at least it attempts to sway in one way or another. I hadn't thought about it like that. But I think you're absolutely accurate. I also think, are that what you're saying about these things, getting a little bit mixed up, and not having a clear distinction between facts and opinions, has even gone a step further, because in the past, let's say you had your news, and you also had your entertainment news or your celebrity news. Now, these days, entertainment news is the new celebrity news is the news, they are very much intertwined. So it's important to also remember that in many cases, what we might call news these days has not only the or not necessarily the objective, or the goal of informing but rather of entertaining, and it not might not be as accurate as one would expect it to be. So you really do need to take everything that you see with a grain of salt. Definitely.

41:29  

Absolutely. So how do you how do you think that people who rely on the information that's coming out of that box to be accurate? How do those people gain the discernment? To know Is this correct information? Is it not? Especially when you can't really Google things anymore? Because I mean, other than being overwhelming, we we've seen you, if you look up on Google one phrase, and you look it up on Yahoo, the same phrase, or on being the same phrase, or on DuckDuckGo, the same phrase, you're going to get completely different set of responses and results. And so how does somebody get to a place, you know, where they actually know what's happening, and there is no ambiguity of what's going on, because they're looking at news and facts versus opinions and hyperbole.

42:33  

I think that it's almost impossible to ascertain with any degree of certainty that a certain thing is a reality, simply because often there are many ways to view reality. But for instance, one one piece of advice that I would definitely give people, sometimes I see news stories, and I'm using air quotes, because they're more like, yeah, like commentary on something that happened. Let's say that there might be a clickbait headline saying, so and so said this and that. And then it says, during his speech, this person said this thing, okay, what you can do is say, why don't I just go and watch the speech, you can simply go watch the speech specifically, and listen for yourself and see exactly what the person said, what he was, what words he was using his demeanor, what the context was, you can get a better understanding if you actually go to the source material and see what was said, rather than hearing somebody have a conversation or say something about what was said, This avoids what you were saying a moment ago about things seeming like the old game of telephone, rather than saying, Okay, this person said that this person said that the other person said this thing, just watch the original thing, I think that would be one, one possibility. The other thing that I would definitely recommend is this. When you personally have a specific opinion on an issue, for whatever reason, algorithms in your social media, they will become like an echo chamber, you will see a lot of information that just confirms whatever you already believed in. So it makes sense to me to occasionally just to see what's out there, step outside of your comfort zone and see what the opposite side of the continuum has to say. Even if it's just for informational purposes, just to see what's going on. And you might find that you actually resonate with some of the ideas from another group of people that you had never even thought to consider because you were stuck in your echo chamber, which is what your own social media was feeding you based off your own personal likes. So I think that that that is valid also. I don't think that it's possible to say regarding any specific issue, I know if this is going on. Bad with 100% degree of certainty. Also because everything benefits someone at hurt someone else, I see that often not to get tremendously political. But for instance, when people need to vote on propositions, normally every proposition has an upside and has a downside. Now you might say, well, the upside is more important to me than the downside. So I'm voting for this thing. Okay, great. You voted for this thing. But saying yes to this means that the budget for something else might need to be cut. What if that other thing is also important to you? Okay. Well, it's almost important, it's almost impossible to have a very clear picture of everything, and its implications for everyone at all times, you can only do the best you can, I believe. And that means taking everything at face value when it comes to commentary, because commentary is commentary, everybody has their own opinion, the best that you can do is find the source material and focus on that. Certainly, you cannot be present in certain private press conferences and such. But many things these days especially, are readily found and almost instantly if they're not being live streamed there shortly being uploaded quickly enough so that you can get at least a better understanding. If you hear a sound bite or see a clickbait headline that you find a little bit alarming. It really does serve you well, to go back to the source material, listen to the speech, look at what was going on, what was the thing that was being said, as you used to, like read with what was said, I've seen. Let me give you examples. One time I saw

a very shocking cover discussing a certain ingredient in food, and it said such and such ingredient, how much harm can it possibly do, therefore implying that it was terrible. I'm guessing that a lot of people walked past it, and you'll stand and automatically made up their mind that this was a horrible, radiant, deadly threat. Terrible, very, very damaging. But I actually bought the magazine, I read the article calmly, and experts weighed in, and the actual answer to the question on the cover was not at all, it's a very helpful ingredient. It's healthy, it's fine. There's no problem with the agreement at all. But the way the cover headline was phrased, really gave people a totally different opinion that was clearly meant to attract attention. But in looking at it a little bit more deeply. And then going and doing a little research on the people giving their opinions. As it turns out, I now believe that particular ingredient to be perfectly fine, I have no issues with it. What I'm here to cover might be very hesitant to give it a try. And so that's that's something also to to understand why people are using headlines.

47:51  

Gotcha. your mic volume did a little muffle a little bit. So just letting you know. So the here's your here's a question. Since you're not a journalist at the moment, you're doing the court reporting. I can ask you this question. Are there any news organizations, media organizations these days that you trust information from?

48:21  

Let me tell you, when here's the thing, and it might sound like something not everybody can do. But I find that when I want to see accurate reporting about Mexico, I might go to American sources. If I want to read accurate information about the US on like go to Mexican sources, German sources, other different sources, because they tend not to have a particular interest in what is going on their agenda. I mean, especially if it's especially when it's a country that really has no specific interest. They have nothing to gain or lose by by advancing a specific agenda. It tends to be more trustworthy. That's what I tried to do. And for the most part, I believe that it has worked well.

49:07  

That's interesting, because what, for instance, when I was in Athens during the 2004, Paralympics, that was right, when the bush gore campaign was happening. And I would watch the US version of CNN in in my Greek hotel, and then I'd watch, you know, the Greek version of the same news, and it was completely, completely different. There was there was not even a semblance of what was being said on them that that equal the same thing, right? there very, very different interpretations of those debates. And what's interesting about it is, again, just that saying that I just said was interpretation would imply a language barrier, right? And so that language barrier that lost in translation, that personal interpretation, all of those things have kind of come together in this perfect storm of leaving, at least in the United States. The fake media, you know, everybody's all over this, the news is not real. And while I can absolutely see that being the case, and and that being a truth, I think that if, if somebody were to get a little bit more into the weeds of it, they'll find where that truth is. But, and this is really important for the audience to get is they need you need. And I'm saying need, like really strenuously you need to immediately prior to reading or listening or hearing or consuming, take account of your predisposed bias, take account of what you already believe is true or not true. And so that you can come into it with a fresh, open mindset. Because otherwise, you're only going to hear from that preconceived bias. In that, right.

51:35  

I absolutely agree. No matter what you think, well, you can see it even in scientific study. You can infer anything from a study that confirms what you already wanted to hear what you already thought was true. That is something to always keep in mind, especially when reading statistics, or when seeing numbers. A lot of the times the public sees numbers or study, statistics, research, the words empty, thrown around, or anything that sounds highly scientific or highly statistics backed. So they might assume, okay, those are facts. Why, because I see the numbers, I see figures. Again, it's not the numbers are necessarily massaged, or in any way faked. But any study or any, anything you want to prove, can be proven simply by using the right data. And there's always data in support of anything. So I think your suggestion, to be very aware of previous biases and beliefs to be very important so that people can come into new information with a fresh set of eyes, just seeing what's out there and not being closed off to information that might contradict their previous beliefs. Absolutely.

52:57  

Right. Yeah. You know, it's funny, long time ago, when I was really interested in what was happening on the news, which I'm really not anymore because it got too crazy. But I would I would do things like I would listen to rush limbaugh and I would listen to Dennis Prager and then I would also listen to people on the other side of that puzzle, right? I worked for the LA Times actually selling door to door when I was a teen. I had people tell me, you know, I get my news from rush limbaugh. Right? That was what they would tell me. And I'm like, Okay, well, this is an interesting thing to take note of in my 15 year old mind as that they don't get the news from the la times because it somehow has its bias and its echo chamber versus rush limbaugh's echo chamber versus I guess, a different newspapers. So I took note of that, that bias at that age. And so I listened and watched. I would watch glenn beck and I'd watch Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann, I'd watch you know, CNN I got, I would go through different belief systems all in one day on the same information. And I would look at it and analyze it as, okay, this is the same 15 minute soundbite. So does, you know, our 15 second soundbite and this is three or four or five different interpretations of that soundbite. And so I would go back and say, Okay, what did what happened around that soundbite and I would take that into what I was doing because I really wanted to understand that was like the whole purpose of, of wasting my time and other people's business, which is what news is, is other people's business for the most part. So I'm wasting my time and other people's business and So I figured if I'm gonna do that I might as well learn what they want and what I want to know what they want me to know. And, and so I found it interesting because I've never fallen into an echo chamber. And during this really crazy time that we're living in all, I'll have an opinion about something based on my research and knowledge, and somebody will assign a label to me because of it. I've been assigned as a liberal snowflake. And I've been assigned as a Trump supporter, and I'm not either of those things. You know, if you're one thing, you can't be for another thing. And if you're for this thing, you can't be for that thing. Because you have, you know, it's like, it's like this, this world has lost its ability to consume information, critically think have some common sense based on what they're thinking, and then apply things like a butterfly effect, what are what is that action mean? And what is the action, the consequence that those actions mean? And so I blame. I blame the media and the fact that we deregulated in the late 70s, early 80s, our media and our news that was meant to be a nonprofit. For this the station's like, we gave you the FCC regulation to allow you to communicate. And the thing that we asked Is that your news our was not for profit, because it had to be just news. And we deregulated that started in the 70s, late 70s, early 80s. And then, look what's happened since then. And so that next question is, how do we get back to a place where we consume this information? And we regulate it? Maybe. So that it is, here's the facts, you know, like dragnet used to be just the facts, ma'am, nothing but the facts.

57:21  

I think that would not be possible without some sort of cash infusion from some source that had really zero interest in advancing one agenda over another. But quite frankly, I can't see how that would come to pass. And it is a vicious cycle. Not to sound like tremendously defeatist, but let me give you an example of something that happened in Mexico. This might happen, I'm trying to remember it might have been maybe not 10 years ago, but it was it was a while back. Okay, so what happened was that a new president came into office, a very polarizing president tremendously. So even more so than President Trump like tremendously polarizing. And one of the first things that this person said was, I'm going to cut down on government spending on things that are unimportant or inconsequential, for instance, I'm no longer going to advertise in newspapers. Now. I think that as a whole as a society, you would think, well, it makes perfect sense for the government and not to place ads in newspapers, because I mean, a they're already in power b that would make the, you know, newspapers more prone to speak well of that government, regardless of their own personal feelings or the facts. It sounds like a very good idea. So what happened was that indeed, of the government, overnight, they cut down all spending on newspaper ads, which sounds like a good idea. But the next thing that happened was that newspapers said, Hey, we have no budget, and they had to slash their workforce in half nearly overnight, leading to more, let's say more space for unpaid people that like to offer commentary and such. So it ended up being one would assume that that would lead to a more transparent or a more objective situation, but it really did not I don't think so it's it's a very hard situation to solve. I think that the only way for a specific media outlet to be entirely free of a biases beyond the normal biases that an individual reporter might have. Just to speak as a as a media outlet as a whole. It would need its money to come from let's say a private investor that was completely disinterested in in any you know, somebody that was not that had no specific feelings toward one or or another thing, because of your being funded by a candidate up party, Group, a lobby, obviously that's going to be refunded. In one way or another, that's that's a fact. And I mean, not even getting into political things, let's think about something more on the soft news side, let's say that you are a fashion magazine, and you have ads coming in from a certain fragrance manufacturer or a certain designer, obviously, you're going to feature them more heavily and more favorably in your pages. That's just a fact. And the only way to do away with that would be to have an ad free experience. I don't know what it would have to be a model where money was coming in from someone are some sorts that really was unrelated to what you were doing. And that's, that's hard to achieve. Definitely, I think that would be the only way to go about that. I don't see how it could be done otherwise.

1:00:48  

Okay. So unfortunately, that that viewpoint is a rather bleak viewpoint for worlds because a world that doesn't can't trust the facts, is going to end soon, right the country, and that we've seen this in pretty much every empire that has begun to do what we've begun to do is that it's not very long before the collapse, before it gets, you know, destroyed as is and has to be rebuilt. So that's a pretty bleak view, especially if in a 24 hour news cycle, we can't dedicate four hours to just the facts. And the other 20 can be moneymaking hours, but those four hours, maybe one every quarter, so to speak of the the day is here's the facts. This is what happened. This is what bill was passed. This is what that bill means for, you know, in actuality, this is what it does. No commentary. This is what, for instance, like people who don't like Trump, have no idea the amazing things that he's done for the things that they themselves would want done. Right. So for instance, there's been more arrests in human trafficking than any other president in history, right. And this is a fact, it's not, doesn't assign a morality to this president. But in this period of time, there was something that he did that allowed the police and the agencies to uncover and go after more of those people. And there's been more arrests in that thing. That's a fact. So without commentary, you can't say that. And have people know that who don't like Trump, and who listened to news that's against Trump, just like, in on the fox side, or on the on the side, that is all for Trump, you may not hear some of the things that he's done, that would say rip apart the natural park system, right. And that attacks nature and in the environment, you may not even hear about it, even if that's something you're interested in. Because you're interested in this kind of predisposed bias. And so that's where I'm saying, I don't think that it's as dire as you as you made it out to be. I don't think that we need to have them make no money or get these, you know, this thing, I think we need to regulate that four hours a day, on a 24 hour news cycle, you must tell the facts, and have no commentary and no opinion about the facts and the other 20 hours, you can talk all you want about what you think of it. But for those four hours, you need to tell the facts for this set of this section of the newspaper. It needs to be facts or this thing that you're you know, like, if you're a journalist, and you're telling news, there used to be this thing that journalists had to do, which was verify their sources, right, they verify the Yes, print something that was not factual. And that has absolutely shifted and changed. And I don't think that that's a money conversation. I think that's a morality conversation for a country and a regulation issue, just like pouring toxic waste out and making the the consequence, say a million dollars when a company's making $15 million a day to dump their waste, right, that that that incentive that I'd rather pay the million dollars and dump and not spend the 15 million Well, okay, but you're still dumping the toxic waste instead of not doing So that's a regulatory issue, in my opinion, versus I don't think it has to be as dire as, as what you had said, do you think would work?

1:05:12  

I think it would work fabulously. I think that would be an excellent idea if it would, indeed be implemented. And I also wanted to touch upon something that you just mentioned, which is that in the past, verifying sources was absolutely necessary. It wasn't optional. And now it's rarely done. I think that I agree that it's not a money issue in that specific regard. I would venture to say that beyond being a morality issue, it has to do with logistics, these days, when websites are rushing to have breaking news up on their websites. To be honest, I think that the rush to be first causes a lot of sloppy reporting and not, you know, reporting sources, or even knowing if something is accurate. I think there's also that thing. Now, you might say, well, but even back in the day, even in print newspapers, of course, you're also racing against the clock. Yes, but not to this degree. I think that this is a little extreme now that people want to be the one breaking the news. And in fact, it's a little crazy, because if you're the website breaking the news, you might say something that's totally off. And immediately 10 other websites will report on what you report it. So now it's 10 different outlets making the same exact mistake over and over and over. And it could be a factual mistake, it can be something that's misquoted. I've seen that happen time and time again, I think, certainly, there's an element of morality, not putting something out there that not you're not sure about. But I think there's a lot of pressure. And that's something that that is a direct consequence of the immediacy these days.

1:06:54  

So then it gets to kind of part of my favorite topic, which is bullies, and, and the bullies of the system and why we allow the bullies to win, and, and do things that are completely against our own self interest. So we do things completely against our own self interest on a regular basis, because we're letting the bullies win. And it seems like in what you're saying, we're letting the bullies win. Instead of having integrity, journalistic integrity used to be extremely important. And now it's completely unimportant. And, and so how do we get back to teaching, training, and then learning this integrity piece, and then saying, if you as the bully as my boss, as the person above me telling me to do this the wrong way, don't stop telling me to do it the wrong way, and allow me to keep my integrity. Right? Then I'm going to report you, as the person stopping me like, we did this, this whole thing of, we allow the system to be broken, because we're afraid of it. Because we, you know, have Has everybody lost their freaking minds is what I is what I think of when I hear stuff like that, because who cares who's first, if you're not accurate, you're not accurate. That means that you're losing your integrity, that means that you can't be trusted. That means that you're a journalist, that has nothing to say to me. Because you're lying, right? And so therefore, when is it that you're going to stand up for your integrity to the system that's bullying you. And this goes the same thing to the doctors who are in the system who are looking at it going, I am morally injured as a doctor because I'm being told to treat patients in a way that goes completely against my training, my background, my knowledge and my belief in loving my my patients and treating them with healing and not and doing no harm. So they need to stay stand up. It's their responsibility in the position of and this is really hard to say this in the position of being the victim of the bully of the system. It's their job to stand up and get loud because silence is a bullies best friend. And the only way you stop a bully is by standing up getting loud and exposing them to the masses. Right. So when does a journalist report on their boss? When does a journalist say enough is enough? This is what I'm being told to say. And this is What is really true? How do we get back to that kind of integrity of a nation of a citizenry? that stops the bullies from being bullies? And says to them no more?

1:10:15  

I think that relies definitely on individual journalists. And certainly there are many, many of them with very high morals definitely a sense of pride in their craft. I mean, I certainly know a number of them. But I think that these people gravitate toward media outlets that are less prone to requesting crazier things. I mean, I'm thinking about specific people. If they were asked by their website, yes, you need to be the first one. If they were not sure about what they were saying. They simply would not do it again, let me give you again, not to speak super highly of my old employer, because I used to work there. But for instance, we would never let's say that we were going to be published tomorrow. And we were going to report on something minor to take place later tonight. For example, let's say that tonight, there was going to be concert, this is something very inconsequential. We couldn't write a concert was held yesterday, even though it stands to reason that tomorrow's news should say a concert was held yesterday, because it hadn't actually happened yet. What if it was canceled? What if there was a fire? What if there was an earthquake? What if there was something that stopped it, we would not even go up? We would not even venture to say that that was a fact, because it hadn't happened yet. And we did want to make sure that everything that we actually printed, was indeed accurate at its best we could I mean, of course, sometimes there were things that just slipped out of people's hands. But as far as humanly possible, we did make a commitment to that. And everything that was published went through so many sets of eyes, sorry, that you wouldn't even imagine there were tremendous controls in place. For instance, I was an editorial director. And to be honest, nobody made any decision alone at any level, nothing. Everything was first discussed in weekly meetings then discussed again, in several daily meetings, everything went to a number of sets of eyes from the reporter himself in a co editor than an editor than myself, then possibly director, ever there was so many filters sorry, that although that made us a little bit less nimble, as a smaller website, it guaranteed that I mean, any inaccuracy would be very rare. Whereas I think that in a situation like an understaffed website, you have a lot of things that make it easy for inaccuracies to slip by time, like I was mentioning just the time, the need for immediacy, the lack of other people supervise it not to say that always being micromanaged or being watched leads to anything good is not necessarily the case. But I do think that if you're the only person or there's only one person making decisions, it's possible that more inaccuracies might slip by, firstly, because everybody at a certain point develops a little blind spot is material that there, there might be something they're missing, it's very important to have somebody else, like what happened with a book and their editor, even if an author is very accomplished, they still need an editor just to see things that the original author might not have spotted. So I do think that filters and controls are important. Beyond that, just having a sense of responsibility, individual responsibility as a journalist and individual responsibility as the owner of a specific media outlet, and understanding what their purpose is, for example, you can build a news website with the sole purpose of informing in an unbiased way, and that's perfect. But he can also build a word website with the sole purpose of getting hits, making money and shocking people and bringing eyeballs to your content, which is also valid, it's just a different style. But as a consumer, you do need to understand what's behind what you're seeing, you have to take everything that seems to be a little bit.

That seems to go beyond the facts with a grain of salt. It's very interesting that we have been discussing commentary so so often during this conversation, commentary tends to be very black and white. Rarely the somebody that's very middle of the road have their own up air column. It's not something that they're they tend to be interested in. Normally with somebody giving an opinion it tends to be a very favorable or a very different favorable opinion. And that also tends to cause what you were saying, for instance, people that might dislike a particular candidate or president, it's very bizarre to me, but because in real life, every individual you come across has some good things about them and some bad things about them. Everybody has something to be admired and something to be not admire. That's just human nature. Everybody has their ups and their downs. So I find it very bizarre that people find that their candidate is God at the light, a tree, fantastic, beautiful, perfect, or cedar. And the person they don't like is a demon, a horror, a terror, the the end of society, I mean, and that can go either way. That's that's the opinion on on both sides of the of the political spectrum. Which is a little bit strange, because everybody, I mean, no matter how much you might like or dislike a person, they might be supportive of a specific proposition or policy or idea that is not in line with what you like, what because you like the person, you're just assuming that every last thing the person does is either terrible or extraordinary. And that's not really the case. And certainly, extreme commentary does not help because it just reaffirms or highlights that.

1:16:21  

Absolutely. Thank you so much for that you're in the courthouse a lot. So we're going to go back there for a little bit. Do you find that these preconceived biases are attached to attorneys and judges, as they make their cases? And the people that make the decisions? Do you find that that the bias of those people are really playing a role in an effect on the outcomes in court?

1:16:52  

You know, I have heard that that is a very overarching belief that there is a lot of, of prejudice and bias is at play in any kind of decision. To be honest, not only have I not seen that at all, but in fact, I was surprised to not see that at all. Because I entered this line of work with that idea. I thought, okay, surely I'm going to see a lot of this. And in reality, I would say that that has not been my experience at all. If anything, attorneys are very good, for instance, at filtering out any member of a jury that might be biased against a client or a situation. That's normally what is done questions from attorneys to juries, aim to weed out anybody that might be very, very pro someone or against someone. So no, actually, I was surprised to find that, at least here. That was not my experience. I know that that is what is commonly believed. And that is what is normally reported on. I mean, I can't say that it does happen. I'm sure that it does in some cases, but personally, I have never witnessed anything of the sort. If anything, I would say that I'm surprised at the degree of objectivity that goes into this, especially because what is followed is normally not anybody's opinion, really, there's really a set of rules. And normally a very big boy boils down to something that is pre written this like for is this condition being met? Is this other condition being met? It's more like going down a checklist. human emotions are really not as much as play as as I would have assumed at least that's been my experience.

1:18:43  

Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, I haven't had the experience. But obviously, we hear a lot about court cases and things, you know, judges doing certain things and not doing other things based on their preconceived notions and, and biases and based on favoritism to certain lawyers that they like or don't like. So it's kind of interesting, get that insider experience that you have not having that happen. Is there anything else that you really like to talk about? We've had a very great conversation, I think that the audience has gotten a lot out of this. And you know, always at the end of any conversation, I'll ask you to give two or three actionable tips and tricks that somebody can do to improve their life create a new tomorrow today and activate their vision for a better world and, and based on this conversation, what are some things that you would suggest to the audience that they can do in order to get more information and less opinion more facts and less reactionary response to to programming.

1:20:02  

I think that the very last one of the very last things that we discussed was a very good tip in general, which is to understand what that whatever person or situation is being described, it's never all terrible are all wonderful. And if a piece of news is telling you No, no, no, this was all terrible alterable there's something wrong there. Or if it's something that's saying what you're reading or this thing, or this person, or this candidate, or this policy is all wonderful, that's also not to be trusted. Anything that is being described as 100%. Awful, or 100%. Excellent, is surely misleading. And a little bit more research needs to be done into that is what I think.

1:20:46  

Awesome. Anything else?

1:20:49  

Well, the other thing is to apply that also to your personal life, like in, in normal situations, when encountering new friends, meeting new people starting a new job, any situation you may find yourself in, you might find people that that you, at first, you might not enjoy meeting, you might say, oh, that seems like a difficult person, give them time, everybody has something good about them. Everybody has something that you might find pleasing, everybody can become a friend, eventually, I think it's just a matter of waiting it out or digging a little deeper. But absolutely.

1:21:22  

Yeah, you know, it's interesting, once you strive to understand somebody, it's hard not to like that person, you know, even if you don't agree with their position, or their, their, their thoughts, at least you understand where they're coming from. And typically, most people are coming from the same place that we are with the same wants and needs and desires in life. And it's hard to not like those people just because they might think a little differently or believe a little differently than you. So you have a book, why don't you give the topic of your book and a little bit about it so that the audience can get an idea and sense of who you are. And if they want to, to work with you or take a look at that book? How can they get ahold of you?

1:22:15  

Absolutely. So the book I wrote is titled choose to prevail. And in fact, I have it right here. This is a book that is meant to help the reader find insights that might help them overcome challenges, be they big or small. When I say big challenges, I'm referring to maybe the loss of a loved one, or any situation that is causing them great grief. And when I say minor challenges, I might mean something as minor really as encountering a lot of traffic, or perhaps feeling a little bit uncomfortable speaking in public, which is something many people struggle with. So many different types of struggles are addressed in the book, the way the book touches upon that is by suggesting ways to shift your perspective in regard to what is causing you grief, and also suggesting a few actionable steps. And in fact, there is one chapter that touches upon the fact that all of us have something in common, something's in common. So no matter who we may meet, even though they might seem tremendously different, there was always some common ground to be found. So that's something that we should keep in mind, no matter what it is that we're encountering. And if anybody cares to buy the book, it's available on all platforms, Amazon, Barnes and Noble Target. com, wherever they might enjoy buying their, their books. And thank you

1:23:38  

so much. Absolutely. It was a wonderful conversation. I like beating up the media, no offense to you, because I just believe that, that the media in general has a lot of soul searching that they need to do, and, and return to an integritas kind of way of doing their business so that we as the citizens who are are trying to learn about what's going on in our country can have an actual sense of what that is, instead of this theoretical conceptual polarized step. So I appreciate you coming on. And I hope you didn't take any of that as personally beating you up. But oh,

1:24:30  

no, I tried a conversation so much. And I agree so much with much of what you said. Absolutely.

1:24:36  

Well, thank you so much. And I appreciate that. So this has been another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari Gronich. Remember to like subscribe rate review comments below so that we can start this conversation and really move along forward our society so that we could create a new tomorrow today and activate our vision for a better world. Thank you so much for being here. And I look forward to the next time.

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But I've had the experience of translating many books of many different styles. All of them have been bestsellers for one specific reason. So recently, publishing houses only request translations of best selling material. That's the only thing because of financial constraints. That's the only way that it can be done. So it's very, it's a very high level of responsibility for a translator, they need to do a very good job because this is a book that is known to be a bestseller, and it will it must become a bestseller in the language you're translating it into. But it becomes difficult in the sense there, it's not so much a language thing, but more of a tradition of writing or a writing style that is used in different cultures. In general, I would say that writing in English, be it business correspondence, a book, or even something as as extremely detailed as the Bible. I would say that overall it's a very straightforward language.

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Ari Gronich 0:08  

Welcome to create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari grunted. Thank you so much for listening in. Remember to rate review, comment, like, subscribe, all those kinds of things so that we can start conversations and continue this on. Today with me. I have Nelson Tressler. And he is an interesting, interesting person has an amazing history. I'm going to let him kind of tell you a little bit about that. But he's the author of the unlucky sperm club, and founder and CEO of I got smarter. So just the two names alone tend to reveal themselves a little a little bit, but I'd like you to kind of explain to the audience what it is that made you in the author of the unlucky sperm club and and how you got smarter.

Nelson tessler 1:02  

Yeah, first of all, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I have quite the origin story. So my mom became pregnant with me when she was 15 years old. She was one of 15 children, her father was the local trash collector in a small town. And while she was pregnant with me, her father drove a car into the town square. And there, he spotted two police officers, he stuck a gun out the window and opened fire, killing one of the police officers and critically wounding another. My grandfather was eventually brought to stand trial, he was facing the death penalty. And during his trial, my mother testified to the jury that the reason that her father had shot and killed that police officer was that that police officer had raped her and she was now pregnant with his baby me. And that's kind of where it started. My grandfather's first trial ended in a hung jury, because of my mom's testimony, they took the death penalty off the table. But he was eventually found guilty and served the rest of his life more than 40 years behind bars, pretty much leaving behind, you know, his large family of 15 kids, my you know, including my mom, and now me in a small town to kind of deal with the circumstances of what had happened. You know, my story, you know, continues to get go on it apps, you know, it doesn't get any easier from there, you know, my mom eventually becomes 21 and starts to go to bars. And there, she finds a peach of a man, who eventually becomes my stepfather come to find out that he's an alcoholic, that he is physically and emotionally abusive to me and my mom on a daily basis, and having to deal with that situation. And I ended up going and living with my grandmother permanently. And for the first time in my life, you know, I kind of had that stable household. You know, even though you know, I'm living with my grandma, who, you know, some of her 15 children are still living at home. And, you know, my grandma's a saint, you know, she's raising five or six other cousins for whatever reasons. But for the first time, I kind of had a stable household to live in, you know, there was no alcohol, there was no abuse. And even though education wasn't a huge priority, my grandma at least expected that you were going to go to school, probably for her sanity, you know, to get rid of some kids for a few hours in the day. But for that first time I was, I was able to kind of really start to reflect upon my life and what direction it was going. And I remember, you know, one time I was in the seventh grade, and a counselor came from the local university, to talk to us about what we needed to do to get into college, and kind of the bells and whistles went off in my head. And I thought to myself, you know, what, if, if I could be, you know, if I could graduate from college, maybe I could change the direction My life was headed. And, you know, anytime you put those thoughts in your head that you want to do something different or something that is going to be difficult, you know, that voice in the back of your head starts screaming at you all the reasons that you can't do it. And I remember thinking, well, you're going to try to be you know, graduated from college, you know, no one in my extended family had ever gone to college. Only two people had ever even graduated from high school from my mom's family. And here I am, I'm in special ed, I can't read I can't write I can't spell. And I'm talking about going to college. And but, you know, I didn't listen to those voices. My life was not where I wanted it to be. And I thought if I could do this if I could accomplish this goal, that I really could change the direction of my life and eventually, you know, the life that I was going to give my future family. flashforward, you know, 12 years later, four different colleges four years in the Air Force, I finally became that first person in my family to graduate from college.

Ari Gronich 5:22  

Wow, congratulations, this is a it's a it's a tremendous story to begin with. What were some of the things that youth feel are different about you and your mindset than some of the other people who have experienced similarly difficult beginnings and, and yet, you know, they're still in that spot of wanting to have hope they're still living, right. So they still have at least a smidgen of of hope. And if you're talking directly to them, they're in the audience. If you're direct directing these comments to them specifically, what do you think was the difference maker in in you, that allowed you to gain that kind of shift and change and pivot?

Nelson tessler 6:28  

Yeah, well, I think there's a few things. I mean, the one thing I, I've always had that long term perspective, I've always looked into the future and really wanted, wanted to kind of realize where I was heading. And I knew the future was coming. And, you know, I also always knew that I was in charge of my ship that that I was the captain of my ship. And, you know, you hear that saying, you can't control the winds. But you can absolutely control the way that you set your sails. And I think so many people want to assign their problems, and, you know, their heart aches upon other people or other things, or what's going on in the world. And as soon as you assign your problems to somebody else, or something else, you lose all control. And I think one of the things that has helped me in my life is I've taken control for everything. And I've absolutely taken control for my own success. And as soon as I've done that, then I'm in control. And, you know, there's, there's bad things that happen, you know, you know, it hasn't been a smooth ride. But when you're in control, you can overcome that stuff that pops up. But as soon as you start blaming it on somebody else, or something else, you give away that control.

Ari Gronich 7:52  

Yeah, you know, it's interesting, because the premise of the show is kind of the world sucks the systems that we're living under suck. We've created these systems, I my saying is we made this shit up, and we can make it up better. And how do we then activate our visions for a better world. And it sounds to me like, the number one thing that you've done is taken personal responsibility for the world around you. And instead of assigning the responsibility to the world around you, to heal or fix you, and that's a really interesting perspective, because it takes away that ability to be a victim. And it gives you the ability to be a victor. But what do you say to the people who really like being a victim? And and really, you know, like, that's where they're getting their juice, and they don't see that they can get the juice from the other from that Victor versus victim?

Nelson tessler 8:57  

Yeah, I mean, you touched on my book, and the subtitle to that is you're not a victim of your circumstances, you're a product of your choices. That's what I would say is, and you talk about, you talk about changing the world or the world around us. But you know, what, if you focus on your own world, and changing your own world, you don't need to change everything else that's out there affecting everything else. I mean, I can only control the things that I can control. And I think a lot of times is people want to change, you know, they want to change try to stop the waves of the ocean. But you know, what, what they really need to focus on is changing themselves.

Ari Gronich 9:39  

Let's go get into some, some techniques, some some of the minutiae of what you talked about in your book because I don't like to just kind of throw out the phrases and throw out the theories and the concepts I like to give the audience things that they can do and actionable things that They can do. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna use me as an example. So that I'm going to let you kind of refer back to this particular thing. So, my entire life, there's been parts of me that have felt like I'm a burden. Right? So as I did, and, and abused, and you know, growing up, I had medical conditions. So people, you know, my family needed, needed to take care of me a little bit differently than, say, my brother who didn't have all those issues, right? So he may not have that same feeling of, I'm a burden. And so therefore, I can't ask for help, therefore, I can't do this, right. You know, those, there are things that, that were in my life were out of bounds, so to speak, like asking for help, I had to do everything myself, I have, you know, it's like, those kinds of issues. I know a lot of people have that. But they also have others. So why don't you just talk to that a little bit, and then how in your book, you kind of, and I don't normally promote somebody's book. But I am going to give you the opportunity to explain the techniques, the tips and tricks that are in there that help people get through whatever it is that they're going through, and hopefully non conceptually, more of, like actionable kinds of thing. Yeah.

Nelson tessler 11:32  

Well, thank you, I mean, that one of the biggest things that ever changed my world and my outlook on life, is the concept of things only have the meaning that you're willing to give them. And I mean, that hit me like a ton of bricks, is you get to give meaning to everything that happens to you in this world. And when you get to give meaning to everything, why on earth? Would you ever give anything a negative meaning, and I know, I know, I've lived through some horrible things and some horrible circumstances in my childhood and in my, you know, adult life. But what I found is when you dig deep enough and hard enough, and like I said before, if you're really looking for something good, or what I can learn about this, or how can I use this to, you know, get me to where I want to go, you'll find something, you'll find something in there, you know, you get to tell your own your own story. So you get to tell yourself what this means to you. And as soon as you start assigning good things to think, you know, you know, supposedly bad things that happened to you, as soon as you start to see the good and those things and give it a positive meaning. That's when you start to, you know, create good energy from it.

Ari Gronich 12:52  

Awesome. Thank you so much for being here, Nelson, I really appreciate it. I know the audience has gotten a lot out of this, if not just you know, the success from beginnings that you've created in your life, and the fact that you've turned it into a purpose to help other people do the same thing. That's just, it's an amazing thing. How can people get ahold of you? Where can they find you? And I do want to promote your book and your your app? So why don't you tell them what that is? Just a little bit about it? And how they can find it. And

Nelson tessler 13:29  

sure, yeah, thank you. Um, you can go to Nelson Trusler calm, everything is there. My book, The on lucky sperm club, you're not a victim of your circumstances. But a product of your choices is available everywhere books are sold, Amazon's probably the easiest place to get it. And then the app is called the I got smarter app. And it is on all the app sites. And you can download it. And right now we're giving away 30 free days. So that you can try it out and make sure it's for you. And then it's only you know, 999 thereafter. I mean, there's no excuses. If you want to change your life and you want help doing it and a plan to do it. That app is that's why I started that app.

Ari Gronich 14:11  

Yes. So just give me a little bit more on the app and what its function is so that sure, we'll go there. They know what they're going there for.

Nelson tessler 14:21  

Yeah, so that the app is a goal fulfillment program. It's everything that I've learned over the last 25 years that I've you know, been a goal and personal development junkie, but you know, there's your crystal clear, you do a self assessment to make sure you know what your goals are going to be. And then there's all the concepts and the theories that I've used. I mean, you know, we have a morning ritual to where you're giving gratitude, you're grateful for the circumstances you're in, you're not satisfied, but you're grateful and you're learning personal development strategies throughout the app. you review your goals every single day, you know, we only work on three goals at a time and you know, So but you're designing what you're going to do that day, and the app automatically populates your task list through this morning ritual. So when you're finished, that you've got a list of the things that you need to do specific to your goal, the most important thing of the day, you know, all those things. So there's never a day if you do your morning ritual that you don't know what you need to do to accomplish your goals. And then the app, you know, has an evening ritual where you're reflecting upon your day, what worked, what didn't work, you know, what did you learn from it? What were your biggest successes, and like I touched on before, you know, the secret sauce is that opportunity to work with a success partner who's also trying to achieve their goals, and support and encourage each other through the app real time, so that you actually see your goals through to the end.

Ari Gronich 15:51  

Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And I know the audience is going to get a lot from that and from from listening to this episode. So thank you again. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host, Ari gron edge and just wanted to remind you about the mastermind program that we're getting ready to launch if you're interested in it, you're more than welcome to message me comment to me, you know, anywhere below the videos that are going to be here or on the podcast pages. And and remember to like, subscribe, read, comment, rate, review, do all those things that you know, helps move this conversation forward because we love having these conversations and helping you guys so that you can create a new tomorrow today. Activate your vision for a better world. And we will see you next time. Thank you so much for being here.

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Ari Gronich 0:00  

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Welcome to create a new tomorrow. I'm your host, Ari Gronich. Thank you so much for listening in. Remember to rate review, COMMENT, LIKE subscribe, all those kinds of things so that we can start conversations and continue this on. Today with me, I have Nelson Tressler, and he is an interesting, interesting person has an amazing history. I'm gonna let him kind of tell you a little bit about that. But he's the author of the unlucky sperm club, and founder and CEO of I got smarter. So just the two names alone tend to reveal themselves a little a little bit, but I'd like you to kind of explain to the audience what it is that made you in the author of the unlucky sperm club and and how you got smarter.

Nelson tessler 1:59  

Yeah, first of all, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I have quite the origin story. So my mom became pregnant with me when she was 15 years old. She was one of 15 children, her father was the local trash collector in a small town. And while she was pregnant with me, her father drove a car into the town square. And there, he spotted two police officers, he stuck a gun out the window and open fire, killing one of the police officers and critically wounding another. My grandfather was eventually brought to stand trial, he was facing the death penalty. And during his trial, my mother testified to the jury that the reason that her father had shot and killed that police officer was that that police officer had raped her and she was now pregnant with his baby me. And that's kind of where it started. My grandfather's first trial ended in a hung jury, because of my mom's testimony, they took the death penalty off the table. But he was eventually found guilty and served the rest of his life more than 40 years behind bars, pretty much leaving behind, you know, his large family of 15 kids, my you know, including my mom, and now me in a small town that kind of deal with the circumstances of what had happened. You know, my story, you know, continues to get go on it apps, you know, it doesn't get any easier from there. You know, my mom eventually becomes 21 and starts to go to bars. And there she finds a peach of a man who eventually becomes my stepfather come to find out that he's an alcoholic, that he is physically and emotionally abusive to me and my mom on a daily basis, and having to deal with that situation. Eventually, my mom has four more children. And because of the lifestyle that's being lived in my home, a lot of the caring for, you know, basic needs for my brother and sister fall upon me. And that has a dramatic effect upon you know, my social life in my schooling life.

I remember looking down at my report card when I was in the fourth grade, excited to see who I'd have for fifth grade and seeing that I had strayed. So my report card and that I'd be repeating the fourth grade. I was placed into special education, you know, I couldn't read couldn't write I still can't spell and eventually, you know, Flash forward. My stepfather was walking home drunk from a bar one night, and there was somebody else driving home drunk from that bar. They ended up hitting and killing him. It was at this time that my mom now has five children. She had dropped out of school in the eighth grade. never worked outside of the home. And as roughest her life has been to this point, losing my stepfather was really, you know, left her with no hope. And it was at this time that she decided that she was going to take her own life. And fortunately, she was not successful. But she was placed in on a psychiatric cold. And at this time, my family got split up among other family members to go live with him, I went to go stay with my grandmother, who is the wife of the man shot and killed the police officer. And it was, my mom eventually recovered and got out of the hospital. But it was at this time that she decided she wasn't going to be able to care for all of us. And I ended up going and living with my grandmother permanently. And for the first time in my life, you know, I kind of had that stable household, you know, even though you know, I'm living with my grandma, who, you know, some of her 15 children are still living at home. And, you know, my grandma's a saint, you know, she's raising five or six other cousins for whatever reasons, but for the first time, I kind of had a stable household to live in, you know, there was no alcohol, there was no abuse. And even though education wasn't a huge priority, my grandma at least expected that you were going to go to school, probably for her sanity, you know, to get rid of some kids for a few hours in the day. But for that first time I was, I was able to kind of really start to reflect upon my life, and what direction it was going. And I remember, you know, one time I was in the seventh grade, and a counselor came from the local university, to talk to us about what we needed to do to get into college, and kind of the bells and whistles went off in my head. And I thought to myself, you know, what, if, if I could be, you know, if I could graduate from college, maybe I could change the direction My life was headed. And, you know, anytime you put those thoughts in your head, that you want to do something different, or something that is going to be difficult, you know, that voice in the back of your head starts screaming at you all the reasons that you can't do it. And I remember thinking, well, you're going to try to be you know, graduate from college, you know, no one in my extended family had ever gone to college, only two people had ever even graduated from high school from my mom's family. And here I am, I'm in special ed, I can't read, I can't write, I can't spell. And I'm talking about going to college. And but, you know, I didn't listen to those voices. My life was not where I wanted it to be. And I thought if I could do this, if I could accomplish this goal, that I really could change the direction of my life, and eventually, you know, the life that I was going to give my future family. flashforward, you know, 12 years later, four different colleges four years in the Air Force, I finally became that first person in my family to graduate from college.

Ari Gronich 8:03  

Wow, congratulations. This is a it's a it's a tremendous story to begin with. What were some of the things that youth feel are different about you and your mindset than some of the other people who have experienced similarly difficult beginnings and, and yet, you know, they're still in that spot of wanting to have hope they're still living, right. So they still have at least a smidgen of of hope. And if you're talking directly to them, they're in the audience. If you're direct directing these comments to them specifically, what do you think was the difference maker in in you, that allowed you to gain that kind of shift and change and pivot?

Nelson tessler 9:09  

Yeah. Well, I think there's a few things. I mean, the one thing I I've always had that long term perspective, I've always looked into the future and really wanted, wanted to kind of realize where I was heading. And I knew the future was coming. And, you know, I also always knew that I was in charge of my ship that that I was the captain of my ship. And, you know, you hear that saying, you can't control the winds. But you can absolutely control the way that you set your sails. And I think so many people want to assign their problems and, you know, their heart aches upon other people or other things or what's going on in the world. And as soon as you assign your problems to somebody else or something else, you lose all control and I think one of the things that has helped me in my life is I've taken control for everything. And I've absolutely taken control for my own success. And as soon as I've done that, then I'm in control. And, you know, there's, there's bad things that happen, you know, you know, it hasn't been a smooth ride. But when you're in control, you can overcome that stuff that pops up. But as soon as you start blaming it on somebody else, or something else, you give away that control. And now the only way that things get better is if they change or the economy changes, or whatever, you've given control to changes, and then you're helpless, just sitting there hoping that somebody is going to change it for you.

Ari Gronich 10:47  

Yeah, you know, it's interesting, because the premise of the show is kind of the world sucks the systems that we're living under suck. We've created these systems, I my saying is we made this shit up, and we can make it up better. And how do we then activate our visions for a better world. And it sounds to me like, the number one thing that you've done is taken personal responsibility for the world around you. And instead of assigning the responsibility to the world around you, to heal or fix you, and that's a really interesting perspective, because it takes away that ability to be a victim. And it gives you the ability to be a victor. But what do you say to the people who really like being a victim? And and really, you know, like, that's where they're getting their juice, and they don't see that they can get the juice from the other from that Victor versus victim?

Nelson tessler 11:52  

Yeah, I mean, you touched on my book, and the subtitle to that is, you're not a victim of your circumstances, you're a product of your choices. That's what I would say is, and you talk about, you talk about changing the world or the world around us. But you know, what, if you focus on your own world, and changing your own world, you don't need to change everything else that's out there affecting everything else. I mean, I can only control the things that I can control. And I think a lot of times is people want to change, you know, they want to change, try to stop the waves of the ocean. But you know, what, what they really need to focus on is changing themselves. And when you start to really focus on yourself and changing your world, that's when the world will change. Because the only thing that you're in control of is you, you can't control these other things. And as soon as you start changing your world, and start changing your mindset, and changing your attitude, that's when the world starts to change for you. Because we all live in the same world. But we all don't look at the world the same way. And if we're, you know, we're going to find what we're looking for, you know, if we're looking for everything that's wrong in the world, or everything that's wrong with the people around us, guess what you're gonna find it. But if you're looking for everything that's good in the world, and the good things about the people that you surround yourself with, you'll find that as well.

Ari Gronich 13:24  

Awesome. So let's go get into some, some techniques, some some of the minutiae of what you talk about in your book, because I don't like to just kind of throw out the phrases and throw out the theories and the concepts I like to give the audience things that they can do, and actionable things that they can do. And I'm going to, I'm going to use me as an example. So that I'm going to let you kind of refer back to this particular thing. So my entire life, there's been parts of me that have felt like I'm a burden. Right? So as I did, and, and abused, and you know, growing up, I had medical conditions. So Pete, you know, my family needed, needed to take care of me a little bit differently than, say, my brother who didn't have all those issues, right? So he may not have that same feeling of, I'm a burden. And so therefore, I can't ask for help. Therefore, I can't do this, right. You know, those, there are things that that were in my life were out of bounds, so to speak, like asking for help. I had to do everything myself. I have, you know, it's like those kinds of issues. I know a lot of people have that, but they also have others. So why don't you just talk to that a little bit and then how in your book you kind of and I don't normally promote somebody's book, but I am going to give you the opportunity to explain the techniques, the tips and tricks that are in there that help people get through whatever it is that they're going through, and hopefully non conceptually more of like actionable kinds of things. Yeah.

Nelson tessler 15:19  

Well, thank you, I mean, that one of the biggest things that ever changed my world and my outlook on life, is the concept of things only have the meaning that you're willing to give them. And I mean, that hit me like a ton of bricks, is you get to give meaning to everything that happens to you in this world. And when you get to give meaning to everything, why on earth? Would you ever give anything a negative meaning, and I know, I know, I've lived through some horrible things and some horrible circumstances in my childhood and in my, you know, adult life. But what I found is when you dig deep enough and hard enough, and like I said before, if you're really looking for something good, or what I can learn about this, or how can I use this to, you know, get me to where I want to go, you'll find something, you'll find something in there, you know, you get to tell your own your own story. So you get to tell yourself what this means to you. And as soon as you start assigning good things to think, you know, you know, supposedly bad things that happen to you, as soon as you start to see the good and those things and give it a positive meaning. That's when you start to, you know, create, get energy from it. And, you know, I told you guys my origin story, and that used to drain me that used to weaken me, I ran, I literally ran across the country to get away from everything that that story represented to me. And for the last, you know, 1718 years, nobody knew about that story, except my wife, my kids didn't know about it, my friends didn't know about it, my coat, nobody, because I was running from it. But then I decided, you know, what, that happened to me for a reason. You know, all those things happened to me for a reason. And then I started to say, you know, what, what if I could share that story, what if people could would hear this story and get inspiration and motivation to take control their own lives, and all of a sudden, I gave those circumstances in my life a positive meaning. And now, you know, instead of it draining Me and Me hiding from it, now it strengthens me and I and I am get fired up whenever I talk about this story. Because I know that there are people out there who are going to hear my story. And they're going to realize that you know, they are not, you know, a victim of circumstances, they're a product of the choices, and all they have to do is start taking control of it, start giving these negative things, a positive meaning in their lives. And it will make all the difference to them. It sounds

Ari Gronich 18:05  

like like, from pain to purpose is you know, a distill it of what you just said, right? You take the pain and you turn it into a purpose. So in my life, you know, I do a lot of work with athletes who are injured with emotional release work with I've worked a lot with vets and PTSD, because of the experiences that I had growing up. So I turned my pain into purpose. And that allows me to and it may be a slow, maybe a slow healing, but it allows me to heal me as I turn that purpose on to other people. And, and it's kind of interesting that that you've stated that, you know, I feel like everybody needs to turn their pain into a purpose and then act on it. So that's the next step is now that they have that purpose now that that pain is rewired in their head. Have this happened for me and not to me, then lovely. Yeah.

Nelson tessler 19:17  

Yeah. No, and I mean, the one thing that you think a pain, you think, well pains there, it can be there to help us right. If you get too close to a fire or, you know, something that pain, you know, lets you know, Hey, get back. And again, it's it's the meaning that you're willing to give it and it's not that the pains not there. It's that you're giving it a different meaning you're giving it a positive spin, you're giving it you know, a meaning to where it's going to motivate you to help others who are maybe going through that and look at it a little bit differently. It doesn't take it away. It doesn't take away all the bad things that have happened to you. It It's just, you know, I love that you said, you know, this isn't happening to you, it's happening for you. And when you start to look at things that way is like, Why is this here? Why is this here? What is it here to show me teach me, help me strengthen me, when you start to look at it that way, then you gain energy from it you gained, you know, a way to bring it into your life and really, you know, propel your success as opposed to, you know, shackling you to, you know, a bad situation that, you know, is going to kind of keep you tethered, where you are right now.

Ari Gronich 20:39  

Yeah, you know, it's funny, Jim Rohn I like to kind of quote Jim Rohn a bit and Buckminster Fuller was the inspiration for the book a new tomorrow. And you know, Bucky already,

Nelson tessler 20:51  

I think you've froze, can you hear me?

Ari Gronich 20:53  

I can hear you. Yeah, I can hear you.

Nelson tessler 20:56  

Okay, great.

Ari Gronich 20:57  

We can always pause because the editor can, you know, take out stuff. So. Okay, so, editor, take out the blanks in the phrasings. What was I saying?

Nelson tessler 21:13  

Jim Rohn,

Ari Gronich 21:14  

Jim Rohn, Jim Rohn, Buckminster Fuller. So Bucky, who was one of the inspirations for the book, a new tomorrow, found himself in his late 20s, at the edge of the Detroit Lake, I guess, and Michigan, and he was about to walk in and kill himself. And something said to him while he was knee deep in water, no, not the right thing to do. And he ended up turning that pain into a purpose. He became one of the greatest thought leaders of the last century, created the geodesic dome, I mean, just he contributed a massive amount to society. And as I was saying, Jim Rohn, who says things like, you can't change the wind, don't change the rain, don't change the sunshine. Yep. And you learn to change yourself. Everything gets better. And this is obviously a paraphrase of what Jim Rohn says, but the other part of what what he talks about is that kind of mentality is, he'll say, in the first five years of my career, I was penniless and broke and working really hard. And the next five years ago, five years, I became a millionaire. And he says, do that, you know, he asks kind of satirically, do the next five years have to be like the previous five years, no, because we are humans, and we can change the course of our lives forever by making different decisions. And he says the number one thing that he did is worked on himself, and not his business, he worked on himself. And that is what made the difference in his business and in his entire life to where he could become this very sought after consultant, speaker and so on. So it sounds kind of like similar to what you're saying. So Well, yeah,

Nelson tessler 23:31  

I love Jim Rohn. Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry.

Ari Gronich 23:34  

Let's get back into that somebody wants to change themselves. Where would you say that they should start?

Nelson tessler 23:42  

Right where they're at. I mean, that's where we all have to start. And I think a lot of people want to be in a certain situation, or wait for a certain time. You know, wait next week, next month, next year, whatever. But start right where you're at. You know, that one of my other favorite quotes is, we don't necessarily have a knowledge problem, we know what we need to do, we have an execution problem, we just don't do what we know we need to do when we need to do it. And, you know, start where you're at. And, you know, you know what, that one thing that you can do, no matter how small it is, just do it. And it's kind of like walking through a thick cloud of fog, you really can't see too far ahead of you until you take one step. And then all of a sudden, you can see one more step in front of you. And we can't let that wall of fog stop us because we we don't see what's beyond it. What when you will see beyond it is as you continue to take those small steps. And you start to see a little further and a little further and a little further. So start exactly where you're at. And you know, again, you don't have a knowledge problem. You have an execution problem. You're just not following through with what you need to know. If you if you really do feel like you have a knowledge problem, go to Google, and you'll have a billion results in less than a second. Pick one of those things and just start working on it now.

Ari Gronich 25:12  

Yeah, so you know that we I call it Dr. Google these days, because that's how people are finding out about medicine. Yeah. You know, if I, if I were to get a billion results, asking, you know, how do I change my life today? What would be some specific phrases that you might want to use to narrow down the search? Because people are going to get a billion responses with a billion different ideas? Yeah. And so I, you know, the suggestion that I have, and I would ask you this is, what do we choose? I'm overwhelmed. There's too many choices.

Nelson tessler 25:54  

Yeah. Well, I mean, you touched on it. And, and I use a lot of Jim roans, theories and thoughts. I've loved him for 20 years. So you'll see a lot of that stuff and my stuff. But working on yourself is absolutely the place to start. I mean, Jim Rohn is exactly right. I mean, if, if you want something better, you need to become better. And I've, I've used goals in every area of my life. I mean, I became obsessed after you know, graduating from college, I became obsessed with goals and personal development, and really thinking about, you know, the version of myself that I had been, and then act, actually realizing that, you know, this version of me is not necessarily the version of me, that needs to continue, that I could get better that I could figure out things in. And as I worked on myself, you know, all of a sudden, the things that you want, actually start to come to you because you're becoming that person that can realize those goals. So where I would tell people to start is get crystal clear on what you want, like, know exactly what you want in your life, know, know what that is, and then be crystal clear on what it's going to take to achieve it. And then pick small steps and start working on it every single day. And there's, you're going to struggle, you're going to fall down, you're going to forget about it for a day or a week, or maybe even a month, but then get back up and keep going. Because time is our most precious resource. I mean, there's nothing we can ever do to get a second of it back. So I mean, I try to live my life where I don't waste any time. And I give time that reverence that it is I mean, without it, there's nothing we can do. So use it. It's, you know, times the great equalizer to everybody gets the same 24 hours in a day. It's it depends on what you're willing to do with it. That's gonna make or you know, make your life the way that your life ends up being.

Ari Gronich 27:59  

Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to pause for a second. So hold on one second, I'm just going to pause the recording, please at my door. All right. So I wanted to start somewhere, you. I think that from what you said, start with the goal, I want to take it a step back. And my suggestion is to start where you're at meaning to write down every single thing that you feel good, bad, ugly, about yourself about where you're at, and get really clear, crystal clear, like you said, on where you are, and in place where you want to go, and what is stopping you in the middle, right? So where's the barrier between where you want to be and where you are now. But I feel like if if people start just with the goal, then they may not get to the things that are stopping them. Because they're there, they're not going to identify those things. So that would be the only caveat I would say to what you were you were talking about is that you might want to start with just writing a list. Here's where I'm at, here's my history, and get it down on paper. Because it's going to be your origin story, kind of like you have for when you are in a completely different space. So it's going to be the thing that inspires you. It's going to be the thing that moves you forward. It's going to be the thing that is going to allow others to really connect with you as you're moving towards those goals.

Nelson tessler 29:52  

Yeah, and I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, you know, not to promote my program, but I got smarter. The Oh, and I got smarter, you know, stands for the obstacles that you're going to run into. And we all kind of know what, where our struggles are and, and what's going to happen that could kind of knock us off, you know, reaching our goals. So it's so important to kind of write out those obstacles before you come to them. So that when you do come to them, you know, exactly, oh, here's this obstacle, you know, I knew this was going to happen. And here's what I said I was going to do when it popped up. And now you don't have to kind of rethink it, or, you know, be shocked that all of a sudden, this popped up, but you know, it's like watching that horror movie, you know, for the first time, it's gonna, you know, somebody pops out and scares you, you know, it's gonna scare you and kind of knock you off your game. But if you've watched that movie five times, and you know, this is the scene that's gonna pop up and scare you, you're, it's not going to affect you the same way. It's the same thought process is, I know, this obstacle is going to come You know, whatever it is, and, and here's how I'm going to overcome it when it does come.

Ari Gronich 31:03  

Yeah, the other thing that that I, I would just kind of just popped in my head, as you're, as you're saying, that is journaling on a regular basis, and saying to yourself writing in here, I had this reaction to this person's doing this thing, or this thing's doing this thing. And this was the reaction and then try to trace back to where you first had that reaction, or why you might have had that reaction, because that would at least give you a little more clarity on where it is that you're, you're tending to be in reaction versus response, and, you know, and so on, but that was just something that like said, It popped up when you were as you were saying that, but try to write down. Here's what happened as a fact, like, my car's tire got got a nail in it, for instance. Yeah, I reacted, like why me? This is always happening to me. And then what is it that caused that reaction in you instead of Hey, I Oh, I needed a new tire. I mean, this is perfect opportunity. Right? You can see it those different ways.

Nelson tessler 32:19  

Yeah. I mean, the gold program, you know, that that I've touched on, it has that journal every night, your your journaling, and every night you're having, you know, our evening ritual is reflecting upon what happened in the day. And, you know, what went well, what didn't go well, and how you reacted, I mean, it's all about being very mindful of what's going on in your life. And that way, when you're mindful when, when you know what's going on, when you know what's happened, when you know what you you know how you reacted to it, then you can take steps to really react in a way that's going to fulfill your goals, as opposed to, if you're just kind of going through life without purpose, and without really reflecting upon what's going on, all of a sudden, you wake up, and it's 10 years later, and you're like, crap, you know, I thought I would be so much further ahead, I thought I would be here, I thought I would be there. Because, you know, you weren't, you weren't really living life with purpose, you weren't reflecting upon your life each day and realizing that, you know, things are happening to me, and I have control of them.

Ari Gronich 33:28  

Right. So, you know, listening to you and like, think about for the audience, think about a boat that is floating out to sea, and it has no one at the helm. So the rudder is just kind of moving you every which way with the waves, right? And then imagine that you have the GPS and you have it set to course. You still have to set and reset and assess, are you on course, but at least you have a trajectory of where you're going to go. I think that the like planes are almost like 80% off course for their entire flight. But because they have that trajectory of this is where I'm going. They always know how to get back on course. And if you don't have that trajectory, there's no course so you can arrive at an undesigned destination. This is another Jim Rohn or a well designed destination. And the idea is that we're going to arrive at well designed destinations because that's what we plug into our GPS.

Nelson tessler 34:42  

Yeah, I mean, that's a great analogy. I mean, you can just kind of be thrown from wave to wave you know, as you live your life or you can have that crystal clear destination that you want to reach. And just like you said, I mean with an airplane, you might fall A course or things might not go the way that you want them to. And it's, you know, if you want to get to a certain area in your life, you're going to have to make course corrections. And that's the great thing when you have concrete goals is that you can make those course corrections. But if you don't know where you're going, if you don't know what your goals are, it's impossible to make a course correction, when you don't know where you're going. And that's what goals do for you is they give you that destination. This is where I want to be this is when I want to be there. This is why I want to be there. And now all of a sudden, as the world tosses, you, and you have those ebbs and flows in your life, you can make those course corrections, whether there's very small ones, or they're big ones, but you're going to end up there, no matter how much you were off course, on your journey, you're eventually going to make it there if you don't quit. Right, so

Ari Gronich 35:54  

let me ask you this. You mentioned in your history, four years of Air Force, so I just want to know how that influenced this kind of part of your thinking. And, and what you what you are, the benefits of your experience in the airforce gave you towards making this, you know, next journey in your life?

Nelson tessler 36:19  

Yeah, I mean, the Air Force checked a lot of boxes for me. I mean, the reason that I joined the Air Force was I, you know, I went to I went away to college, to I played football. And but I couldn't afford to go back, you know, I got a couple bills in the mail and wasn't able to, to pay them. And, you know, I knew what I wanted, I wanted a college degree. And so I had to figure out a way to pay for it. And the Air Force was kind of that way the GI Bill. But the Air Force also checked the box that got me out of that small town that I was in to where I had so much baggage and represented, you know, so much stuff that I had to overcome. So when I joined the Air Force, I figured out how to get money for school, and then it got me away from that town. And all of a sudden, what I realized is I could be anybody that I wanted to be because there was no more, you know, that kid, you know, who was involved in all that stuff, I literally could be come Nelson, nobody, I could become whoever I wanted to be. So there was that. And then, you know, the Air Force taught me so many things. I mean, it taught you discipline, it taught you responsibility, you know, it opened your eyes to contrast, like a whole big world out there, you know, I was over in Saudi Arabia, and got to see how those cultures lived in over in Turkey and see how that culture live. So the Air Force was, you know, definitely a great decision for me, and definitely changed the direction of my life and gave me a lot of tools and knowledge that, you know, I eventually ended up using and continue to use to this day.

Ari Gronich 38:00  

So when you were overseas and experiencing these different cultures, especially in kind of war torn countries, what was your experience of, of the people there and how they dealt with the the kind of stresses of life that that war? And obviously, there's a little more control from the society? You know, yeah, that kind of thing.

Nelson tessler 38:31  

Yeah, I mean, it was eye opening, because, you know, I'm this, you know, I'm this young guy from a small little town, and haven't been exposed to a lot of stuff. And then you go over to Saudi Arabia, and you see, you know, the way that women have to dress and act and, you know, I remember being in a convenience store and walking down an aisle and, you know, there were these women in their black robes, you know, with only the slit in their eyes showing and, and as soon as I walked into that aisle, they literally ran for me, and you know, come to find out that they they can be nowhere near another man or let alone a US servicemen. So, you know, that that was eye opening to me, you know, the different ways that you know, people were treated. And, you know, when I went to Turkey, you know, a lot of poverty in Turkey. And, you know, I would see young boys, you know, literally 567 years old, who were orphans, you know, out there begging on the street for survival to get food to, to eat another day. And believe me, I mean, that was a slap in the face, you know, because I was probably still in a little bit of victim mode and thinking about my childhood and what I had to deal with and, you know, to see these guys, it kind of put me in my place and you always realize that no matter what situation you're in, there is always somebody praying to be in your exact situation. Because as bad as you know, as bad as our situation is so kind of having that mindset. So, yeah, I learned all that stuff. And I think the biggest thing was contrast. You know, it gave me that contrast of the life that I was living, to the things that were out there, in contrast, can help you in so many different ways. I mean, it can help you to show you that there's a lot worse things out there. But it also can show you that there's a lot better things out there that maybe you can strive to, to realize those things. So contrast is a great thing in your life.

Ari Gronich 40:35  

It's awesome. That's awesome. What What kinds of things do you suggest nowadays, like that you might have not suggested 10 years ago that you've learned in the last 10 years about yourself and about how to do what you're what you're doing, which is changing the world. So how can you take that focus of I've been here, I'm now here, and I'm going there. And make it concrete? For people?

Nelson tessler 41:11  

Yeah, I mean, that I think the biggest thing is to do it. I mean, you know, we talked a little bit about being clear on what your vision is, I mean, you can't really reach a destination, if you're not clear where you want to go. So that's, that's the first step is to sit down and really figure out what you want to do with your life, what direction you want your life to go, and make that crystal clear. And then figure out why you want that and make sure that it's a strong why. And then, you know, setting out and just starting, I mean, there's so many people that want to wait until all the traffic lights are green before they start on their journey. And that never happens. I mean, you know, it's kind of a paralysis by analysis, if you've ever heard that where people, you know, they sit there and they want to make sure that all the T's are crossed, and the i's are dotted. And you know, I'm in the exact right situation to start this. Don't do it. You know what, take that first step, you know where you want to go, you know why you want to go there, take that first step and start don't wait. Because there are so many people that are just sitting back waiting for that perfect situation, to start doing what they want to do. And I just wrote about this today. I mean, today is pretend you are a time traveler day. And, you know, one of the things that that I kind of thought of when I saw that was Somebody once told me the definition of Hell is when the person that you could have became, in this life meets the person that you did become. And that's the definition of hell. And I think we're all going to end up there one day, we're all going to end up at the end of our lives, and we're going to look back, and you know, we all hear it. You know, your so many people are there, they don't have regrets over what they did. They have regrets over what they didn't do. And you know, we're all going to have a life with some regrets. But, you know, try not to have that regret that you are afraid to go after your goals and your dreams.

Ari Gronich 43:23  

Yeah, so let's see. Ready, fire. Aim, Aim. Fire ready?

Nelson tessler 43:27  

That's my motto right there, baby. Ready?

Ari Gronich 43:32  

Which one? Is it? Fire aim? Ready?

Nelson tessler 43:34  

It's ready fire aim.

Ari Gronich 43:36  

Okay. So, you know, some people will say the opposite, which is fire, aim ready, or Aim Fire ready, at least so that you're getting at least the action moving and then you can get ready for what you just did. But yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's an interesting way of looking at it. Because if you're a perfectionist, you're going to ready, but you're going to ready and you're never going to fire and you're never going to aim because you're still trying to get ready. Yep. If if you're on that mid range, you might aim and then fire and then get ready. And if you're on the other side, you're gonna fire before you do anything aim and ready. And and, you know, the truth is I've had friends business, you know, in business that that were that fire, aim ready. And they would always do this spike, right? So because they did massive action, no matter what, they would have a spike of results, and then it would fall and then another spike of results and then it would fall because they at least got something out there. Instead of that analysis paralysis. Instead of That that need for perfection, I know I'm I have that need for perfection a bit in me, I want to make sure that the grammar is correct. And the commas are in the right place and that the words flow properly and all the spelling is proper. And, you know, I had somebody tell me once said, you know, proper spelling has has never made me money.

Nelson tessler 45:25  

Thank goodness for that, because I still can't spell.

Ari Gronich 45:28  

That's what you said at the beginning. And I wanted to latch on to that a little bit. So what what would you consider to be the biggest asset that somebody can can take from the words that you're using, from the things than the thoughts that you're saying, if somebody was listening to this and going, Okay, I'm kind of getting that I'm understanding what he's saying. But the execution side, I'm not really sure how to execute the concepts that are in my head. So if that's the biggest portion, that's that's needed to happen to get the results? How do you get somebody from concept to action?

Nelson tessler 46:18  

Well, I mean, what one of the things that I use in my program is a success partner, I mean, you might tell yourself, you want to do something, you might tell yourself, I'm going to do this every single day. And you might, but a lot of times, people who keep their goals to themselves, when something pops up, you know, they they fall short. But as soon as you introduce somebody else who knows about that goal, who knows what your dreams are, and what your plans are, now, all of a sudden, there's somebody else out there that you've told, you're going to do this, and in the back of your mind, you know, you don't want to let them down, you don't want them to see that you're going to fail. And, you know, that's kind of the secret sauce that I think is, you know, we call them success partners, because they're not there to hold us accountable. You know, you the only thing that you're doing it, accountability is you want to be accountable to do the things that you said, you're gonna do. And that's what this success partners there for. They're there to encourage you, to motivate you to know that you're not in this alone, and you're there to do the same for them. So you're both, you know, seeking and striving to achieve your goals. And it's that support system. And there's been studies out there that you're 95% more likely to achieve your goals or to do what you said you were going to do as soon as somebody else knows about them, and you have that kind of success partner in your corner. Okay, so

Ari Gronich 47:47  

I'm going to caveat that as well. Because, you know, that's what I like to do. I'm a little I'm a little bit of a contract contrarian. So there's a theory that if you put something out that you're going to have the success be at a percentage higher, because you put the thing out there. And now you have to keep your word because you put it out there. There's another theory that says that you want to hold back on telling people because then you don't want to dissipate the energy that is going towards that goal. And then there's a yet another thing about the crab box, which is if you tell people where you're going, they're going to try to hold you down and hold you back, and you're going to create more obstacles. caveat that I'm putting forth is when you talk to somebody about what it is that you're doing. You need to make sure that you're telling the right person and the right people who aren't who are going to be the supportive people versus the people who are going to kind of be those crabs in the crab box holding you back and telling you all the reasons why not?

Nelson tessler 49:08  

Yeah, yeah. And I love that. I love the crab bucket, man. You know, I use that in my book. So, you know, I told with my family, I kind of use that to where I got accepted into college, and I got all kinds of mixed results where oh, you know, you know, or you can't even spell How the heck are you going to go to college? Or, you know, I guess they're letting anybody in the college who has a check, they better try cashing your check first. So I got all of that stuff. And, you know, I talked a little bit about why people act that way. But what again, we talked about that what meaning Are you going to give that I mean, you know what, tell me I can't do something, tell me that I'm not good enough, or I'm going to fail and I'm going to show you that. I'm going to I'm not only going to do it, I'm going to do it much, much better just to show you so what mindset are you bringing when Pete when you have those haters, and, you know, you got to understand what haters are, you know, a lot of times the haters, it has nothing to do with you or what you're doing it has to do with them and what they're doing. And when you kind of realize that, then it actually strengthens you, and it gives you fuel to reach your goals. And that's how I look at it. And as far as the other theories of keeping everything to yourself, you know what I can, I can kind of see how people can think that. I don't agree with it at all. I mean, I've done I've done it both ways in my life. And I mean, I've set goals, and no one's known who they are, I've written them all down. And no one knows when I when I've accomplished them, no one knows if I failed at them. But as soon as I kind of brought a group together, and everybody knew everybody's goals, and they knew what you were shooting for, all of a sudden, I knew I was going to have to see those people. And I knew they were going to ask me, hey, how's this going? And how's that going? And all of a sudden, now I'm just not responsible to myself, I'm responsible to them. And no one wants to no one wants to fail. And when there's somebody out there, who knows what you're working at, now, all of a sudden, there's somebody who, who knows if you're going to fail or not, and not in a bad way. I mean, these people don't want to see you fail, because they want you to be successful. And we can talk about surrounding yourself with like minded people and people who have your back and who are there to support you and understand that, you know, there's more than enough success out there in the universe to go around 100 times. And just because you're successful, doesn't mean that takes away from my pie of success. So there's all those different strategies and techniques and thoughts to think about as well.

Ari Gronich 51:51  

Yeah, absolutely. One of one of my, my guests. Bert Oliva is he's a mindset guy. He's been around 20 plus years does fire walks and, you know, glass walking and, and all those kinds of things, human human potential expert, and he says, you want to go out and you want to five, find five haters a day? Because if you're finding five haters, you're gonna find at least that or more who are supporters? Oh, yeah. Oh, the idea isn't to avoid the haters, it's to seek them out. Which is kind of like what I why I like doing the show because it's a very contrary you know, polarizing show, in some cases, because we believe in nuanced thinking minutiae. Instead of absolutes, of, of extremism, you know, on either side, okay, let's look at the data. Let's look at it and, and let's find out what it is that that we're trying to accomplish and do it. So it was it was a good reminder, what you were just saying, about finding the haters, because it's okay to polarize. The only part of that that's the problem is the, the mindset and what it is that you make that mean, which we are, you know, meaning making machines, human beings are mean, meaning making machines, we can make meaning out of anything. And if you're somebody who had been built bullied in the past, if you're somebody who had been, you know, taken advantage of, or whatever, you could have it mean, that you're not being liked. Or you could have it mean that I'm getting stuff done, that the rest of the population isn't getting done. And so they may not understand it right now. But in 10 years, they're gonna be like, why don't I get on that bandwagon?

Nelson tessler 53:46  

Yeah. And, and I love that you brought up haters, I mean, because, you know, when you put yourself out there, like, I had been really close knit, you know, a lot of the businesses that I own people didn't even know that I own them. You know, I was just that kind of guy. I never wanted to be out there. And then when I published this book, all of a sudden you are out there and the haters came out of the woodwork, you know, people that you knew and family and but you know, and I really started looking at it and what why haters are out there and what they represent. But haters don't hate on things that aren't significant. So if you do have haters out there, look at it as Hey, I'm on the right path here because haters aren't hating people who aren't successful, who aren't significant, who aren't out there doing something that's changing things because there's no need for it. And, you know, again, you realize why haters are doing it, you realize it has really little to do about you and much to do about them. But yeah, I mean, it's not easy to have people out there. But when you look at it that way, again, giving it that meaning is if there's haters out there, I must be on the right track. I must be doing something that's going to you know, change that thing. And another analogy that I love is, you know, the guy talked about the Coast Guard swimmers who jumped out of these helicopters to save a boat crash. And typically there's way more people to be rescued, then they can rescue. And when they jump in the water, he's like, Do you know who they go and save first, it's the people who are swimming towards them. It's not the people who are fighting them. It's not the people splashing stuff in their face. It's not, it's the people who are swimming towards them. And that's the motto that I took when I put myself out there now is I'm not out there for the haters. I'm not out there for the people who are going to splash water in my face and tell me I'm not doing something right. I'm out there for the people who are swimming towards me and want to hear it and who I connect with. And that's who I'm going to try to say that's who I'm going to try to help them, you know, change their lives and help them live better lives.

Ari Gronich 56:01  

That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, you know, we're getting ready to do a promotion for the show. And it's a mastermind group that we're calling the Create a new tomorrow mastermind. And part of the premise of this is a lot of what we've been talking about, which is doing your 100, year, 50, year, 25, year, 10 year, five year one year plans. And I know that sounds a lot to some people, but until you know where you're going, you know, and where you've been, you're never going to be able to accomplish the goals that have set out for you. And we're doing this a little bit differently. Because we address the health concerns as well as the business concerns as well as the life concerns. It's kind of an all encompassing, kind of a life mastermind versus just generalized specific to, to business or those kinds of topics. But you know, it's funny to me, because throughout my life, there's been things that I have not wanted to put out. And I haven't wanted to put out because I was afraid that somebody might steal the idea or do something with it that I don't want it to do, or they might ruin the thought of it, you know, but I learned recently, just through my own processes that I put things out, because nowadays, I don't care if somebody steals my idea, as long as the idea gets done. And the reason I'm doing this show is because so many of the things that I'm thinking about, I can't do them all on my own. So if I give the ideas away, they'll get done, and then I will be calmer because the things that I want to see in the world are going to be happening more. Yeah, I just kind of want to throw that out to the universe into the audience that you want to get started. And who cares? Who gets the credit, frankly, you know,

Nelson tessler 58:11  

I mean, you know, Tesla. Sorry, Tesla did the same thing. Didn't he give away all of his patents? And, you know, it wasn't about the money it was about, you know, getting that out in there into the world. So I mean, that was like, that was like mind blowing to me.

Ari Gronich 58:27  

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, somebody who could literally the the patents and the trademarks. And the those things are the intellectual property of this company and of this person, and yet, what he's giving them away and open sourcing them and tell and encouraging people to use them in their projects and in what they're doing. I mean, that alone, you may not like Ilan Musk, you may love him, you may not like Tesla's you might love Tesla's who knows what, what your feeling is. But the idea is that what he's doing is moving the world forward by the actions that he's taken, which is trusting

Unknown Speaker 59:09  

that

Ari Gronich 59:11  

the idea is going to get out. And that's going to make the world better. So who cares? Who owns it and gets credit for it?

Nelson tessler 59:18  

Yeah, that's amazing. Amazing that he was willing to do that.

Ari Gronich 59:21  

Yeah, absolutely. And if more companies were to do that, guess what? We'd be able to move this world forward faster, fail forward fast, but move forward fast. And, again, shift the world create a new tomorrow, activate your vision for a better world, but do it now versus later because I think so many people are so stuck on what their obligations and response abilities are, versus what they're how their ability to respond is and what they're doing about it, how their execution is, right.

Nelson tessler 59:58  

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and I think we all have that fear, when we have that great idea, that idea that's going to change everything that we want to hold on to it. But another thing that I found in my you know, in my life is ideas, you know, aren't where it's at, it's, it's the execution on it, and you can give somebody the best idea in the world. And chances are, you know, 99% of those people are never going to act on it anyhow. So I would be a little less fearful of somebody stealing your idea. Because, you know, there's just not that many people out there that are willing to put in the time and the effort, and, you know, to bring it to fruition,

Ari Gronich 1:00:42  

right. So just as a recap of that, for the audience, put yourself and your stuff out there, who cares, who gets the credit for it, as long as it's getting done. So let's, uh, let's just finish this up. Because we've had a great conversation. And I really appreciate you. So as I do with every episode, three to four actionable tips and tricks that the audience can do to create a new tomorrow today. And while we've already given them 100 of them during this, this interview, you know, let's kind of condense them and give them very specific so that they can take it and do it.

Nelson tessler 1:01:27  

Yeah, I mean, the first I'll go back, you know, things only have the meaning you're willing to give them I think that concept in and of itself, will change your life quicker than anything else, look for the good and things. And then, you know, my next concept is, you know, be crystal clear on what you want in your life. You know, know exactly what it is know, when you want to have it, know why you want to do it. And then you know that that's the way that you come up with a plan to actually achieve it. And understand that, you know, we there's going to be obstacles, there's going to be struggles in your life, that's that's the way life is supposed to be. It's not supposed to be easy. So understand that those obstacles are going to come. And then don't, don't be willing to give up on your dreams and your goals and your hopes and the life that you want to live because of obstacles, get around it. It, you know, they too will pass and just know the circumstances that you're in right now are not going to be the circumstances that you're going to be in next week, next month, next year. So you know, if you're in some rough circumstances, right now know that they too will pass. But at the same time, you know, success is not an event success is a process and it's never ending. And you were always continuing to work on ourselves and continue to strive to become that best version of yourself that you possibly can. And, you know, you owe it to the world to become the best version of yourself that you possibly can. And to be out there and and give more than you take.

Ari Gronich 1:03:09  

Awesome, thank you so much for being here, Nelson, I really appreciate it. I know the audience has gotten a lot out of this, if not just you know, the success from beginnings that you've created in your life, and the fact that you've turned it into a purpose to help other people do the same thing. That's just it's an amazing thing. How can people get ahold of you? Where can they find you? And I do want to promote your book and your your app? So why don't you tell them what that is? Just a little bit about it? And how they can find it. And

Nelson tessler 1:03:45  

sure, yeah, thank you. Um, you can go to Nelson Trusler calm, everything is there. My book, The on lucky sperm club, you're not a victim of your circumstances. But a product of your choices is available everywhere books are sold, Amazon's probably the easiest place to get it. And then the app is called the I got smarter app. And it is on all the app sites. And you can download it and right now we're giving away 30 free days. So that you can try it out and make sure it's for you. And then it's only you know, 999 thereafter. I mean, there's no excuses. If you want to change your life and you want help doing it and a plan to do it. That app is that's why I started that app.

Ari Gronich 1:04:28  

Yes. So just give me a little bit more on the app and what its function is so that sure we'll go there. They know what they're going there for.

Nelson tessler 1:04:37  

Yeah, so that the app is a goal fulfillment program. It's everything that I've learned over the last 25 years that I've you know, been a goal and personal development junkie, but you know, there's your crystal clear, you do a self assessment to make sure you know what your goals are going to be. And then there's all the concepts and the theories that I've used. I mean, you know, we have a morning ritual To where you're giving gratitude, you're grateful for the circumstances you're in, you're not satisfied, but you're grateful. And you're learning personal development strategies throughout the app, you review your goals every single day, you know, we only work on three goals at a time. And, you know, so but you're designing what you're going to do that day, and the app automatically populates your task list through this morning ritual. So when you're finished, that you've got a list of the things that you need to do specific to your goal, the most important thing of the day, you know, all those things. So there's never a day if you do your morning ritual that you don't know what you need to do to accomplish your goals. And then the app, you know, has an evening ritual where you're reflecting upon your day, what worked, what didn't work, you know, what did you learn from it? What were your biggest successes, and like I touched on before, you know, the secret sauce is that opportunity to work with a success partner who's also trying to achieve their goals and support and encourage each other through the app real time so that you actually see your goals through to the end.

Ari Gronich 1:06:07  

Awesome. Thank you so much for being here. And I know the audience is going to get a lot from that and from from listening to this episode. So thank you again. This has been another episode of create a new tomorrow I am your host are Ari Gronich, and just wanted to remind you about the mastermind program that we're getting ready to launch if you're interested in it, you're more than welcome to message me comment to me, you know anywhere below the videos that are going to be here or on the podcast pages. And, and remember to LIKE subscribe, read, comment, rate, review, do all those things that you know helps move this conversation forward because we love having these conversations and helping you guys so that you can create a new tomorrow today. Activate your vision for a better world. And we will see you next time. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you for listening to this podcast. I appreciate all you do to create a new tomorrow for yourself and those around you. If you'd like to take this information further and are interested in joining a community of like minded people who are all passionate about activating their vision for a better world. Go to the website, create a new tomorrow.com and find out how you can be part of making a bigger difference. I have a gift for you just for checking it out and look forward to seeing you take the leap and joining our private paid mastermind community. Until then, see you on the next episode.

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