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Curious Things Mentioned During The Episode

• Matthew Freidman -Human Trafficking
• Lisa Kristine - Photographing Modern Slavery
• Lisa Kristine Ted Talk

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Out Of The Slave Fields - Bruce Ladebu (Book)

The Children's Rescue Initiative (Donate)

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At this very moment there are over 40,000,000 people around the world trapped in slavery. This is a number larger than at any point before in history… and perniciously, a figure that grows everyday. 

Millions among them are children. And then millions of those are living in the most devastating conditions imaginable. 

Bruce Ladebu runs an initiative called Children's Rescue where he and his team identify and then extract those very children living in the most destitute environments.

To date, the Children's Rescue initiative have rescued over 2,400 children.

Share this podcast with someone. The better informed we are about this reality, at the very least, the more discerning we can be in our consumption that feeds this industry. 

• 00:00 – The Problem Of Modern Slavery
• 04:09 - How Bruce Got Into This Line Of Work
• 06:12 - 40,000,000 Slaves
• 12:40 - Slavery Growing As An Industry
• 23:43 - How Someone Ends Up A Slave
• 30:55 - Bruce's Team & Children's Rescue Initiative
• 34:22 - The Extraction Process
• 38:50 - Bruce's Trauma From Exposure To This
• 42:35 - De-Escelate Communication With Slave Owners
• 46:21 - Poisoned 
• 48:25 - Camera More Powerful Than The Gun
• 50:30 - Work At The Institutional Level
• 53:47 - Amsterdam
• 55:20 - How Trauma Effects Different Children
• 1:02:15 - Slavery In The Everyday Things We Consume
• 1:06:07 - How Well Known Is Modern Slavery?
• 1:18:15 - The Sound Of Freedom
• 1:10:21 - Country Bruce Wants To Add To His Operations
• 1:11:05 - Final Words From Bruce (Affecting Starfish Metaphor)

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Never Split The Difference Book Review (Things To Know If You Do Sales)

Curious Things Mentioned During The Episode

• Christopher Turner – 25 Year CIA Veteran, Lessons In Espionage
• Sam Leith – It’s Rhetoric All The Way Down
• Never Split The Difference Book Review (Things To Know If You Do Sales)

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Never Split The Difference deserves its place as one of the best selling negotiation books of all time.

It’s co-authored by the brilliant writer Tahl Raz, who turned Chris Voss’s life and lessons into the most readable and actionable prescription for good communication.

I’m stoked today to get to feature Chris Voss on this podcast, the force behind ‘Never Split The Difference’ which is a series of highest stakes negotiations broken down into their parts for examination. Chris was the FBI’s lead negotiator.

Hostage negotiation in Haiti? Terrorism in the Philippines? Egos, money and conflicting interests in a boardroom? Even walking a bank robber from the ledge. What are the phrases and psychology Chris uses in his communication to get the outcome he wants? And where could it be relevant to you?

The podcast here touches on Nassim Taleb and Khaneman’s influence on Chris’s worldview. The line between manipulation and persuasion, serendipity, traits of good communicators and a hell of a lot more.

• 00:00 – Who Is Chris Voss
• 03:05 - When Chris First Paid Attention To How People Communicate
• 12:05 - Nassim Taleb & Communication Over Time
• 22:20 - Serendipity In Chris's Life
• 29:39 - Never Split The Difference & How Chris Unlocked A New Style Of Negotiation
• 36:05 - Khaneman & Tvesky's Influence On Chris
• 43:20 - Gut Instinct
• 48:20 - Line Between Manipulation & Persuasion 
• 50:05 - Consistent Traits In Good Communicators
• 56:05 - Oprah Is The GOAT
• 58:21 - Traits Of The Best Interviewers

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I am stoked to welcome back one of the most out there and interesting writers, thinkers and speakers, Rory Sutherland.

He founded the behavioural science team at the Ogilvy group, he is one of Europe’s most powerful advertising executives and author many many books and articles, his most recent book, Alchemy, coming highly recommended and is a treatise on how great marketing ideas are built around the profoundly irrational… Rory appeared once before on this podcast in episode 115.

And today, for his second appearance I was lucky enough to do this with Rory in person, I got the train out of London to Rory’s hometown and we settled up in the courtyard of a beautiful little cafe in the sun. And so, you get the ambience of birds and wind to frame the conversation.

There are no timestamps on this podcast today, because with Rory’s erudition there is unseen flow from one thought to another that makes a narrow subject timestamp non suitable, rather, consume this one in full, we open with Salman Rushdie and his days as a copywriter to Rory reflecting on his recent notoriety, a powerful insight that the best marketing is in fact fat tailed, behind the scenes of his Rick Rubin interview all the way to me asking Rory whether he’s ever done a floaty.

Other episode of the podcast that suit this episode...

• Rory Sutherland – First Appearance #115
• Scott Patterson – Chaos Kings
• Nassim Taleb & Incerto Podcast

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Other episode of the podcast that suit this episode...

• Brian Klaas – Fluke & Randomness
• Russ Roberts – EconTalk
• Luca Dellanna – Ergodicity All The Way Down
• Scott Patterson – Chaos Kings
• Nassim Taleb & Incerto Podcast

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Everything Is Predictable – Tom Chivers

Tom Chivers is a prolific science writer whose written for Buzzfeed, The Telegraph, Unherd, published books, written for loads of other publications as well and now writes for Semafor’s daily flagship email (something I read everyday)… but here Tom is today to discuss his book about Bayes called… EVERYTHING IS PREDICTABLE: How Bayes’ Remarkable Theorem Explains the World and, the lead is not buried in this case, it is a book about Bayes Throerom which to put it simply… is an equation to calculate probability.

Now, my Talebian listeners will recognise a contradiction to our worldview in the title here… everything is predictable? how often has Taleb’s quotes, how can we predict a future of infinite possibilities based off a finite experience of the past appeared on this podcast? We get into Chivers differences with that Talebian worldview, but as well, there is top to bottom what is Bayes theorem, why does it matter, the role of this theorem at the foundation of all of these LLM’s and therefore much of AI. a neat little anecdote of Chivers family member, Sir John Maynard Keynes and plenty more as well!

• 00:00 – Who Is Tom Chivers
• 01:34 – Great Great Uncle John Maynard Keynes
• 08:44 – What’s The Point Of Bayes?
• 19:14 – What Is Bayes Theorem?
• 39:34 – Disagreeing With Nassim Taleb 
• 52:24 – Counterintuitive Aspects Of Bayes
• 56:28 – Bayes & LLM’s & AI
• 1:15:12 – Serendipity In Tom’s Life

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• Jon Lee Anderson
• Charlie Walker

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Why We Travel - Ash Bhardwaj

Ash Bhardwaj is an author, journalist, film-maker and former british army who amongst his many expeditions has ventured the likes of journeying 8500km along the Russian European border. Retraced secret missions of WW2 through Albania. Walked 800km through India and The Himalayas, meeting the Dalai Lama on the way. Walked 1100km through Uganda and Sudan with Levison Wood which included the first summer crossing of the Bayuda Desert. Trekked the Mt Everest Base Camp with wounded soldiers. Worked on earthquake recovery in the Philippines. Trekked through the Jebel of Dhofar in the footsteps of the SAS, and really he’s done a hell of a lot more as well. 

He recently published his first book titled Why We Travel, and in discussion of his life and worldview I was privileged to have gotten to sit down with him in his home in London to record this very episode - there is a video available on youtube if you are keen.

Ash really is my dream style of guest. He is a wonderful speaker, incredibly open and curious and has achieved many of the types of things, I wish to one day emulate. I am very grateful to have gotten to spend this time with him.

00:00 - Who Is Ash Bhardwaj
03:55 - Great Explorers From History
15:13 - Differences Between Australian & New Zealand Culture 
35:57 - Adventure & Travel
43:44 - Ash's Most Consequential Journalism & Ukraine
54:08 - Why We Travel
59:53 - What Makes Great Travel Writing?
1:13:43 - Publishing Market For Travel Books & Why We Travel
1:29:36 - What Eat Pray Love & Cultural Phenomenon Did For Travel + (New Unexplored Paradise?)
1:39:43 - Is The World Becoming More Dangerous?
1:42:43 - Changing Demographics Of Travel & Getting Deep Into Why We Travel
1:59:50 - Country Ash Is Bullish On

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• Bill Browder
• Nassim Taleb

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This is an interview with Victor Haghani who is among many other things… the Co-Founder of LTCM (long term capital management), the Founder of Elm Wealth and the author of Missing Billionaires.

In this interview we focused on Victor himself... his experiences at Solomon in the 80s and a brush with Bill Browder (who by the way was recently knighted), comments on Jim Simons and Nassim Taleb, an incredible moment of serendipity that would have changed his life forever and ultimately an exploration of Victor's worldview...

• 00:00 – Who Is Victor Haghani
• 01:40 - 1997 Nobel Prize & Stockholm
• 07:47 - Solomon Brothers & Bill Browder Anecdote
• 16:15 - 10 Year Sabbatical
• 24:42 - Jim Simons
• 30:49 - Missing Billionaires & Ergodicity
• 52:40 - Baggage We Are Carrying Around From Our Evolutionary Past
• 1:00:40 - Nassim Taleb
• 1:04:40 - Potentially A Confrontational Question
• 1:11:40 - Michael Burry Index Bubble Theory
• 1:18:26 - An Incredible Moment Of Serendipity & Why Victor's Bullish On UK

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• Russ Roberts – Taleb & Hitchens
• Scott Patterson – Taleb & Chaos Kings
• Magnus Ranstorp – Terrorism & Political Violence
• James Robinson – Why Nations Fail

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Samo Burja founded Bismarck Analysis, of which Bismarck Brief has spun off, which is a consulting and research firm that investigates the political and institutional landscape of society. 

I’ve listened to and read hundreds of hours of Samo Burja. He’s prolific both in writing and talking, and applies an academic analysis to express his interests. His interests are those which overlap with mine, and as such, should as well overlap with yours since you have selected this podcast. 

He’s been on my list of dream guests ever since this podcast began, and so it was a huge thrill to get a chance to finally record something with him. 

• 00:00 – Who Is Samo Burja
• 01:47 – Central Thread Of Samo’s Work – Why Groups Thrive & Fail
• 16:57 – 80/20 Principle In Organisations & New York Times Family Ownership
• 22:17 – Solving For Nepotism
• 25:53 – The Wallenberg Family of Sweden
• 47:13 – Nassim Taleb Informed Your Worldview & Others
• 51:17 – The Role Of Serendipity & Country You’re Bullish On

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• Jos Benschop – SVP Science ASML - Episode #56
• Chris Miller – Chip War - Episode #81
• ASML Bloody Good Business

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ASML is certainly among the most critical businesses to the modern economy. They make the machines that make the microchips which makes modernity go round. 

You’ve likely heard of TSMC, the Taiwanese behemoth at the centre of Chinese geopolitics and how these are in fact the guys that make these amazing microchips. That is true! But they make them on ASML machines, and that’s the critical point to take home. The insane complexity of ASML’s EUV machine is impossible to fully appreciate. Jos Benschop, ASMLS senior vice president of Technology he makes the claim that ASML’s EUV machine is the most complex machine ever made by man.

When words are overused they lose their meaning, but truly ASML’s EUV machine is by definition, unbelievable.

The CTO Martin Van De Brink has recently retired from ASML – and his cultural legacy really forms the narrative for Marc’s Book – with plenty of fun anecdotes.

Marc Hijink is the guest on this episode, he is a Dutch journalist and tech reporter for Handelsblad and recently went down a three year journey with unparalleled access to ASML and produced a wonderful history of this phenomenal company. 

• 00:00 – Who Is Marc Hijink & ASML
• 02:38 – Writing ‘Focus’ A Dream Project
• 07:38 – ASML Origins & Culture
• 17:23 – Culture & Martin Van De Brink
• 24:35 – The Geopolitics Of ASML
• 26:58 – Complexity Of The EUV Machine & ASML’s Appetite For Risk
• 44:55 – What About The Software? + Recruitment Against Meta, Google, OpenAI
• 50:13 – Growing At 800 Employees A Month
• 55:28 – Fragility Of ASML’s Client Base
• 57:17 – Focus
• 58:38 – Serendipity In ASML & Marc’s Life

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Sam Leith is the literary editor for the oldest surviving weekly magazine in the world, an organisation which started publication in 1828 which means… the magazine for which he is the literary editor of, The Spectator, are on the doorstep of a famous double century in just 4 years time!

While also contributing a monthly column on gaming, over the course of 30 years Sam has written 100’s of book reviews, authored multiple books himself, but as well, Sam hosts one of my favourite podcasts titled ‘Book Club’ where… in a similar fashion to this very show but with much better execution, Sam talks with interesting authors about their books.  

Sam’s also got a new book, scheduled for release later this year and available for per order – The Haunted Wood: A History of Childhood Reading – and although we don’t discuss it in this podcast, if you like the way Sam talks and thinks then you might be keen on checking this one out as well.

But in this podcast we non exclusively discussed Sam’s 5th book – You Talkin’ to Me? Which is a book on Rhetoric from Aristotle to Obama…

And so as you can imagine, I brought up Christopher Hitchens immediately as a reference for good rhetoric but in the podcast you can also expect a break down of Ethos Pathos Logos, what makes some of the great speakers great, and references to Obama, Churchill, Martin Luther King and more for what made specific things they said stick so deeply. 

• 00:00 – Who Is Sam Leith
• 01:43 – Who Are The Best Communicators Alive Right Now?
• 07:23 – Sam’s Great Theory on US Presidents (Rhetoric v Anti-Rhetoric) + Obama V Trump
• 20:04 – Good Speech… Writing or Delivery?
• 26:03 – Christopher Hitchens (+ a bit of Peter)
• 37:45 – How Media Is Consumed & How Media Changes (Introducing Socrates)
• 1:03:23 – Ethos Pathos Logos
• 1:20:23 – Story & Rhetoric (Martin Luther King)
• 1:26:58 – Best Of Churchill
• 1:28:53 – Speeches Lost To History
• 1:30:25 – Podcasting & Rhetoric
• 1:39:46 – Visit One Speech In History
• 1:44:24 – Serendipity & Country You’re Bullish On

Curious Things Mentioned During The Episode

• Matthew Dicks – Storyworthy
• Ben Burgis – Christopher Hitchens
• Ethos Pathos Logos

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Micheal Hilliard is a geopolitical analyst host and creator of 'The Red Line Podcast'… and! a fellow Aussie coming to us today from Australia’s glorious West coast capital, Perth.

Micheal and his team with the 'Red Line' take a deep fortnightly dive into a eclectic mix of narrow geopolitical topics … everything from the second hand market for nuclear weapons to the growth of Chinese private military groups...

And so therefore, and needless to say, the 'Red Line'  is brilliant and if you have anything geopolitical populating your new episodes feed you'd be smart to too add the red line to your subscriptions.

This is michael’s second appearance on the pod… in his first appearance he hinted a time in his life when he was living in Kazakstan ghostwriting geopolitical analysis and this tidbit has been on my mind ever since.

Therefore this pod we do Michael Hilliard…
Touring as a bass player in a rock n roll bandTid bits on TurkmenistanTop to bottom the world of geopolitics ghostwritingIndonesia from Australia’s perspectiveSerendipity… and much more

• 00:00 – Who Is Michael Hilliard
• 03:15 – Michael's Early Story (Touring As A Base Player)
• 17:05 – Turning Geopolitical 
• 19:15 – Turkmenistan Is Worse Than North Korea
• 29:31 – Transitioning From Rock n Roll To Journalism
• 32:35 – Geopolitical Ghostwriting (Top To Bottom)
• 47:05 – 'The Red Line Podcast'
• 1:00:32 – Indonesia's Geopolitics
• 1:16:06 – Who Are The Journalist's You Most Admire
• 1:19:59 - The Business Of The Red Line
• 1:23:55 - Podcasting Landscape In Australia
• 1:30:45 – Final 3 Questions… Serendipity, Fictional Character, Country Bullish On

Curious Things Mentioned During The Episode

• Geopolitics Starter Pack
• Michael Hilliard First Appearance

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