In this episode, we sit down with Dhruv Bansal, co-founder of Unchained, and Samson Mow, CEO of JAN3, for a friendly debate on whether bitcoin was invented or discovered. We examine how historical inventions and discoveries like mathematics and fire compare to bitcoin, explore the philosophical implications of digital scarcity, and discuss its relevance across civilizations. Dhruv and Samson share their insights on bitcoin as a living organism, potential challenges from quantum computing, and the evolution of its network over time. The conversation also touches on the future of money and mining in a spacefaring civilization, how energy markets intersect with bitcoin, and the practicality of sidechains for interplanetary use. Throughout, we question the boundaries of bitcoin’s definition, its adaptability, and its role as the ultimate form of energy money.

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TIMESTAMPS:

0:00 Intro

1:43 Welcome to the debate: invented vs. discovered

3:48 Definitions: what makes something invented or discovered?

7:53 Analyzing historical examples: math, melodies, and fire

12:03 Was bitcoin invented or discovered? Opening arguments

20:25 The ship of theseus analogy for bitcoin’s evolution

24:09 Addressing quantum computing and potential bitcoin changes

30:58 Bitcoin as a living organism and its self-regulation

33:19 Does digital scarcity truly exist across civilizations?

39:09 Bitcoin’s impact on energy grids and global sustainability

42:00 Mars colonization: should Martians adopt bitcoin or a sidechain?

47:09 Decentralization vs. centralization of hash power in space

52:50 Concluding thoughts: bitcoin’s universal role as energy money

1:01:10 The biggest risk to bitcoin—aliens?

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