DFW Running Talk

In this captivating episode, we sit down with elite runner Melanie Lassen who shares her remarkable journey of balancing competitive marathon running with motherhood. From her impressive 2:51 Boston Marathon finish to navigating middle-of-the-night feedings with her non-sleeping 9-month-old, Melanie opens up about the realities of pursuing athletic excellence while raising two young children. She takes us through her 20-year running career, from college competition to winning multiple marathons, including her dramatic last-chance Boston qualifier that involved a canceled race, a rental car, and pumping in a race director's truck. 

Melanie candidly discusses running through pregnancy, postpartum comebacks, and how motherhood has shifted her perspective on training and performance. Whether she's fitting in runs after daycare drop-off or dreaming of breaking 2:50, her story demonstrates that elite performance and parenthood can coexist—even when sleep doesn't. This episode offers inspiration for competitive mother-runners and practical insights on maintaining high-level fitness during life's most demanding seasons. 

In this inspiring episode of DFW Running Talk, host Chris Detzel sits down with Maddie Stier, a remarkable marathon runner who balances elite performance with motherhood. From qualifying for Boston at her very first marathon to navigating pregnancy with twins, Maddie shares her extraordinary journey of running 20 marathons while raising three children under two.

Discover how Maddie transitioned from casual runner to 2:50 marathoner after joining Dallas's running community, the importance of training partners who pushed her limits, and her creative strategies for fitting in high-mileage weeks around early morning family life. Maddie offers candid insights about maintaining her running passion through pregnancy, postpartum recovery, and the logistical challenges of elite training as a busy mom.

Whether you're a parent looking to maintain fitness, a competitive runner seeking inspiration, or simply love stories of perseverance, Maddie's journey from accidental Boston qualifier to motherhood marathon champion will motivate runners of all levels. Don't miss her preparation strategies for Boston 2025 and her "Summer of Strength" plans beyond!

In this special episode of DFW Running Talk, host Chris Detzel interviews his wife and running extraordinaire, Lea Ivy. With no formal running background, Lea transformed herself from a recreational college jogger into a Boston Marathon qualifying machine, completing the prestigious race for 11 consecutive years with a 12th on the horizon.  Subscribe to our Substack newsletter

Lea shares her remarkable evolution from running her first half marathon on a whim to achieving a 3:14 marathon PR at age 45. Listen as she reveals the methodical approach that's kept her injury-free for over a decade, her philosophy of training by effort rather than pace, and how working with sports nutrition experts revolutionized her performance.

This conversation goes beyond race accomplishments to explore the mental resilience required for ultra-marathons, the challenges of recent injuries, and how their shared adventures—including traversing the Swiss Alps—have strengthened their bond as a couple. Whether you're a seasoned marathoner or just beginning your running journey, Lea's emphasis on consistency over talent offers invaluable wisdom for runners at every level.

Join us for an intimate look at what it takes to sustain excellence in running and in life, told through the journey of one of Dallas's most inspiring yet humble marathon mavens. 

In this captivating episode of DFW Running Talk, host Chris Detzel interviews Andy Wheatcroft, an inspiring 'mature runner' who completed all six World Marathon Majors. Andy's extraordinary transformation began 14 years ago in the UK when, 50 pounds overweight with a goatee that failed to hide his double chin, he could barely run 100 feet without vomiting. Motivated by his father's sudden death from a heart attack at 60 and his son's classmate battling brain cancer, Andy embarked on a journey that would change his life forever.

The interview captures the moment Andy became a 'real runner' – coincidentally the same day Michael Jackson died, when local teenagers shouted the news as he completed his first non-stop 2.1-mile run. From this humble beginning, Andy methodically tackled increasingly challenging distances, raising significant funds for charities along the way, including $20,000 for his first London Marathon.

Listeners will hear detailed accounts of each major marathon – from the emotional significance of Boston, which took him exactly 10 years to qualify for, to his spectacular fall and recovery during Tokyo. Andy shares his evolution as a runner, from struggling with basic training principles to eventually incorporating 70-mile weeks and structured long runs with strategic negative loading.

The conversation explores Andy's engineering mindset and how it applies to marathon strategy, including his unconventional A-B-C goal approach where his fastest goal was actually 'Plan C' – a mental trick that helped him achieve his Boston Qualifying time. He also reveals the emotional moments that defined his races, like placing a silk lily at the Boston bombing memorial and bursting into tears at the sight of Boylston Street.

Throughout the episode, Andy emphasizes that while the medals and accomplishments are rewarding, the true value lies in the running community – particularly Dallas's vibrant running scene and the incredible friendships formed along the way. From track workouts at 6 AM to margaritas after long runs, Andy's story demonstrates how running transcends physical fitness to become a lifestyle built around connection, challenge, and giving back through pacing opportunities.

Now semi-retired and contemplating new challenges like the emerging marathon majors in Sydney and Cape Town, Andy Wheatcroft's journey exemplifies how running can completely transform a life, one mile at a time.

In this engaging episode of DFW Running Talk, host Chris Detzel interviews Dr. Matt Campbell, a pediatric oncologist who transformed from an out-of-shape medical fellow to a sub-2:31 marathoner and running coach. Matt shares his remarkable journey from struggling to run two miles to qualifying for Boston Marathon in his second race ever.

The conversation explores how Matt found his running community with the "Sloths" - a semi-formal running collective in Dallas that balances serious training with a fun, supportive atmosphere. Matt candidly discusses his marathon experiences, including a humbling Boston debut, his coaching philosophy, and his current goal of breaking the 2:30 barrier.

What makes this episode particularly compelling is Matt's authentic perspective on running as something that should "restore energy" to your life, his insights on the mental game of marathon racing, and his vision for elevating Dallas's running scene by creating a community where runners inspire each other to reach new heights. Both recreational runners and serious marathoners will find valuable takeaways from Matt's thoughtful approach to training, racing, and building running communities.

In this engaging episode of DFW Running Talk, host Chris Detzel interviews Carlos Para, a dentist from Spain who has built an impressive running career after moving to Dallas. Carlos shares his journey from playing field hockey in Spain to becoming a competitive marathoner who has completed seven marathons in a single year, with a personal best of 2:37 at the St. George Marathon.

Carlos discusses how he discovered his passion for running during the COVID-19 pandemic, his remarkably fast progression from novice to Boston qualifier in his first marathon (finishing in 2:55), and his strategic approach to training. The conversation covers Carlos's experiences with both road marathons and ultratrail races, including his participation in prestigious UTMB events as he pursues qualification for Western States.

Throughout the episode, Carlos offers insights about balancing professional life with serious running, training in Dallas's challenging climate, unique training camps he creates in mountainous regions, and how he combines his love of travel with running adventures across the globe. A fascinating look at the journey of a dedicated runner who has found ways to pursue excellence despite the limitations of training in a flat terrain city.

Boston & London Marathon Prep with DFW's Elite Runners

Join host Chris Detzel for an insightful roundtable with six elite DFW-area runners as they prepare for the prestigious Boston and London Marathons. This episode features Brent Woodall, Matt Barron, Aaron Pearson, Eric Bretl, Jennifer Pope, and Mimi Smith - collectively known as "The Sloths" - who share their impressive qualifying times, ambitious race goals, and detailed training strategies.

Listen as these accomplished athletes discuss their personalized training approaches, with weekly mileage ranging from 75-110 miles, and their perspectives on strength training, nutrition, and race-day fueling. The group dives into Boston Marathon course specifics, including the infamous Heartbreak Hill, and offers practical advice for handling everything from mid-race hydration to the unique challenges of Boston's late-morning start time.

Whether you're aiming for a Boston Qualifier or simply curious about high-performance marathon training, this episode provides valuable insights from runners targeting impressive sub-2:40 finish times while balancing careers, families, and everyday life. Don't miss their candid reflections on community support, finding sustainable training approaches, and their post-marathon plans.

In this engaging episode of DFW Running Talk, host Chris Detzel sits down with Alfonzo Gonzalez, the founder and coach of Train Pegasus, one of the Dallas-Fort Worth area's most respected running groups.

Alfonzo's Running Journey

Alfonzo shares his humble beginnings in running, starting in 2009 when a coworker invited him to join a Luke's Locker social run. Despite struggling to complete the six-mile route, Alfonso persisted and gradually built his endurance. With a background in boxing, football, and tennis, Alfonso had some athletic foundation but found the transition to distance running challenging.

His first marathon (Dallas Marathon in 2009/2010) finished just under four hours, and Alfonzo candidly recalls sitting against a wall afterward, convinced it would be his last. However, encouragement from friends led him to continue, eventually transforming into an accomplished marathoner with a personal best of 2:42:40 at CIM (California International Marathon).

The Birth of Train Pegasus

Train Pegasus originated in 2019 when Alfonzo, who was already coaching individual runners, recognized the need for a group where his athletes could train together. What began as a small collection of runners has grown into a vibrant community that meets multiple times per week.

Alfonzo deliberately named the group "Train Pegasus" rather than using his own name because he wanted it to feel like a community rather than just his personal coaching business. The group has expanded through word-of-mouth and referrals, with no formal marketing required.

Coaching Philosophy

Alfonzo coaches approximately 75 active runners (and has coached over 200 total), from local Dallas runners to athletes in Canada and Mexico. His coaching philosophy centers on the "80/20 rule" - 80% easy running and 20% hard efforts. He emphasizes recovery and isn't afraid to run at slower paces (10:30-12:00 minute miles) during recovery days.

He works with runners of all levels, from those targeting one-mile improvements to ultramarathoners, and has even coached high school runners looking to break five minutes in the mile. Alfonzo takes pride in tailoring his approach to each athlete's needs and isn't afraid to refer runners to other coaches when he isn't the right fit.

Community Building

What stands out most about Alfonso's approach is his commitment to inclusivity. While Train Pegasus initially gained a reputation for fast runners, Alfonzo has deliberately created multiple weekly runs at various paces:

• Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday runs are more social and relaxed (9:30-10:30 pace)
• Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday workouts are for "clocking in" (more serious training)

Alfonzo personally ensures that newcomers feel welcome, often sacrificing his own workout to run with someone new to make sure they don't get lost. The group has grown from 4-10 people on social run days to 30+ participants, with workout days sometimes drawing 30-40 runners or more when multiple running clubs join together.

Balancing Life and Running

Throughout the conversation, Alfonzo discusses how he balances his full-time career at AT&T (where he's worked for 20+ years as an account manager) with his coaching responsibilities, which he describes as "a full-time job as well." He mentions that someday he might consider coaching full-time to provide more one-on-one training sessions.

Marathon Accomplishments

Alfonzo has completed 33 marathons, including New York as part of his journey toward completing all six World Marathon Majors (with Berlin scheduled next and hopes for London and Tokyo in the future). He typically focuses on one serious marathon effort per year, with his consistent performance ranging from 2:43 to 2:45.

He also frequently serves as a pacer for both races and his own athletes, including an upcoming 3-hour pacing duty at California International Marathon (Cowtown), which he has paced for the past 4-5 years.

Advice for Coaches

Near the end of the interview, Alfonzo shares wisdom for aspiring running coaches, emphasizing that success doesn't happen overnight. He advises new coaches not to take it personally when runners move to different coaches, comparing it to business relationships that naturally evolve over time.

Throughout the conversation, Alfonzo's passion for the running community shines through, as does his genuine desire to help runners of all abilities improve and enjoy the sport for the long term.

In this episode of DFW Running Talk, you (Chris Detzel) hosted Andy Wang, the race director of the Fort Worth Marathon. The conversation provided an in-depth look at Andy's running journey, his race directing experiences, and his impressive personal achievements in the running community.

Andy's Running Background

Andy shared that he began his fitness journey in 2007 when he joined friends training with the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. Interestingly, he started with triathlons before focusing more on running. He completed his first half marathon around 2007 with the Dallas Running Club. Andy mentioned dealing with common running injuries early in his journey, including IT band issues and a stress fracture.

The Running Streak

One of the most notable aspects of the conversation was Andy's impressive running streak. At the time of recording, he was on day 975 of his consecutive running streak that began during the COVID pandemic. He averages an astonishing 10 miles per day, having logged over 3,650 miles annually for the past four years. Despite a minor hamstring issue that briefly interrupted a previous streak, he's remained consistent and injury-free.

Race Director Experience

Andy detailed his involvement with the Fort Worth Marathon, which celebrated its 18th year in 2024. He initially volunteered for several years before stepping into the race director role in 2023. He shared insights about:

• The various race distances (marathon, half marathon, 20-miler, and relay)
• Challenges faced, including stolen course signs and portable toilet logistics
• Plans to expand to a two-day event with 5K and 10K races on Saturday and longer distances on Sunday

Hell's Half Acre Marathon

Andy also discussed his role as race director for the Hell's Half Acre Marathon, a night race in Trinity Park that evolved from the popular El Scorcho event. This unique race starts at night, with participants experiencing cooler temperatures as they run deeper into the night. He mentioned the race's history and the distinct atmosphere that makes it special.

World Marathon Majors

Andy revealed he's running two Abbott World Marathon Majors in 2025 - Tokyo in March and New York in November. Upon completion, he'll have finished five of the six major marathons.

Downhill Races

You both shared experiences about downhill races, including Revel races like Mount Charleston and Big Cottonwood, discussing the dramatic PRs these courses can produce and the intense muscle soreness that follows.

Pacing Experience

Andy discussed his extensive experience as a pacer with Beast Pacing, having helped many runners achieve their time goals at various events across DFW and beyond.

The conversation concluded with reflections on memorable running experiences, with Andy mentioning a 35-mile Dallas to Fort Worth adventure run and the satisfaction he gets from helping others achieve their running goals.

DFW Running Talk: Cal Nef Episode Overview

In this engaging episode of DFW Running Talk, host Chris Detzel interviews Cal Nef, an accomplished elite runner, coach, and race director based in Houston, Texas. The conversation explores Cal's multifaceted running career and his journey through various aspects of the running world.

Background and Running Career

Cal shares his lifelong journey with running, starting at age 4 in Louisiana before his family moved internationally for his father's oil industry career. These moves took him to places like Scotland, England, Thailand, Canada, and Australia, with running becoming his constant companion and defining characteristic. After competing at the collegiate level for the University of Little Rock and University of Houston, Cal took a break from running before rediscovering his passion through trail running.

Elite Running Accomplishments

As an elite athlete, Cal has impressive achievements including:

• Multiple Houston Marathon finishes (7 full marathons, 3 half marathons)
• Serving as an official pacer for elite women like Sarah Hall and Keira D'Amato
• Helping Keira D'Amato break the American marathon record (2:19)
• Winning both the Cowtown 50K and Dallas 50K
• Winning the Marine Corps Marathon
• Setting world records for running with strollers in the 10K, half-marathon, and marathon distances
• Competing at the prestigious Comrades Marathon in South Africa

Trail Racing Over Texas

A significant portion of the interview focuses on Cal's role as owner and race director of Trail Racing Over Texas (TROT). He explains how he acquired the company when it was about to shut down, driven by his passion to preserve the vibrant trail running community in the Houston area. Under his leadership, TROT hosts over 10 events annually, including signature races like:

• The Habanero 100 (a uniquely challenging race that begins at noon in the summer heat)
• San Felipe Shootout (where runners compete in 5K, 10K, and half marathon distances back-to-back)
• Brazos Bend 100 (a Western States qualifier)
• Big Dog's Backyard Ultra (modeled after Lazarus Lake's famous format)

Cal emphasizes how he strives to create unique race formats that challenge runners in different ways, moving beyond the standard "gun start, race to finish" model. He discusses the challenges of race directing, including logistics, safety protocols (drawing on his experience with Texas Search and Rescue), and balancing growth with maintaining quality experiences.

Coaching and Training Philosophy

Cal discusses his coaching business, Hard Loop Endurance, revealing that he had 50 athletes competing in the Houston Marathon. He explains his personal training approach, noting that despite being an elite runner, he's not a high-mileage athlete (typically running 30-50 miles weekly, rarely exceeding 100), though he coaches athletes across the spectrum, including some who regularly run 110-120 miles weekly.

Other Passions and Lifestyle

The interview also touches on Cal's other interests, particularly his passion for unpowered flight through hang gliding and paragliding. He lives in a fly-in community where his business operates from a hangar, and he and his wife are working toward their private pilot's licenses.

Cal also mentions:

• His podcast "The Neff Pace" that he hosts with his wife Rachel
• His volunteer work with Texas Search and Rescue
• Upcoming races including the Black Canyon 100K, where he's seeking a "golden ticket" to Western States

The episode provides a comprehensive look at Cal's diverse interests, accomplishments, and approach to running, coaching, and race directing, highlighting his unique position as someone who has succeeded at multiple levels of the running world while creating opportunities for others through his businesses and events.