Climate change is the perfect example of what happens on a pressing global challenge when no one leads, or even takes responsibility, for a collective action problem – nothing happens, the crisis builds until it becomes seemingly unmanageable/unfixable. Without strong collective action and tough compromises, climate change will get more and more geopolitically intractable making life saving compromises even harder. 

In this episode, Fiona Harvey explores the importance coordination mechanisms such as COP summits, while Arthur Snell explores the vulnerability of developing island states, the potential next climate great battleground -- the Arctic -- and the role medium powers such as the UK could play in coordinating climate policy.  

Twitter: @DisorderShow 

Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/nato-and-adversaries  

Producer: George McDonagh 

Exec Producer: Neil Fearn 

Show Notes Links 

For more from Fiona Harvey, visit here 

Listen to Arthur Snell’s podcast, Behind The Lines, here

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In a special Thanksgiving bonus episode of the podcast, Jason is joined by Alessandro Politi, the Director of the NATO Defense College Foundation in Rome. They discuss: Alessandro’s Axis lineage, what role if any NATO has in the Middle East, what Europe’s unique role should be in the Israel-Hamas war (potentially as a counterbalance to America), how global affairs look from Taiwan (where Alessandro just was), and whether the Ukraine-Russia and Israel-Gaza Wars might act as a detonator for larger US and China tensions. 

Twitter: @DisorderShow 

Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/nato-and-adversaries  

Producer: George McDonagh 

Exec Producer: Neil Fearn 

Show Notes Links 

Read Alessandro’s writing on China here  

More on the NATO Defense College Foundation can be found here  

Listen to Jason appearing alongside Gershon Baskin discussing hostage negotiations and scenarios for Post-War Gaza here 

For more on what Europe is proposing in the Middle East, read ‘Germany suggests UN take control in Gaza after Israel-Hamas war ends’ here

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In this week’s episode, Alex and Jason are joined by former US congressman Tom Malinowski (D-NJ). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Malinowski. In addition to talking about why Tom ziplined to his wedding, they discuss: how to end the war in Ukraine, smear campaigns in American elections, Russian misinformation, why democracy seems to be on the back foot globally, how American and British Neo-populism is connected to the rise of authoritarianism abroad, and why the US and UK experience so many structural inefficiencies when building railroads and highways. 

Twitter: @DisorderShow 

Read Tom’s thoughts about how to end the war in Ukraine, here: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/08/18/how-to-end-ukraine-war-00111752 

Producer: George McDonagh 

Exec Producer: Neil Fearn 

Show Notes Links 

For more on Tom, visit https://twitter.com/Malinowski  

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Read Jason’s recent writing, ‘The Road to Middle East Peace Runs Through Doha’ here

For all who are interested in 'the definitive' reading of how The Global Enduring Disorder (including the divisiveness and ineffectiveness of Neopopulism) caused the war in Gaza listen to Yuval Noah Harari on Sam Harris’s Making Sense here

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Diplomacy is a game, and geopolitics is a psychological sport. Though we may root for the ‘democratic good guys’, it is often the disordering ‘autocratic bad guys’ that achieve their aims through effective use of psychological tactics like bluffing and intimidation. 

In this episode, we meet Jonathan Powell, Tony Blair’s former Chief of Staff, who helped negotiate landmark treaties like the Good Friday Agreement. He tells us how our leaders could use various skills to get to mutually beneficial agreements. We’ll also meet Kenneth Dekleva, a former US diplomat and a Professor of Psychiatry, who will present certain ways we can psychologically outfox disorderers like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un. 

Twitter: @DisorderShow 

Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/nato-and-adversaries  

Producer: George McDonagh 

Exec Producer: Neil Fearn 

Show Notes Links 

Jonathan Powell’s Majestic work on the Negotiations in Northern Ireland is here

Get Kenneth Dekleva’s latest books. The Last Violinist here 

Read a recent article by Kenneth here 

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In this episode, Alex Hall Hall talks to Tom Fletcher, the former British Ambassador to Lebanon. Tom and Alex discuss the Palestinian refugee and surrounding Arab states narratives as an entry point to examine whether there’s any risk of the war spreading. They delve deeper into: the rationale for humanitarian de-escalation, the interests and motives of players like Lebanon, Hezbollah and Iran, and what international actors like the UK, the US and the UN need to be doing to stabilize the situation, and how they can be working towards longer term solutions. 

Twitter: @DisorderShow 

Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com

Producer: George McDonagh 

Exec Producer: Neil Fearn 

Show Notes Links 

Read Tom Fletcher’s writing around this issue at here 

You can listen to Jason’s take on the regional context on the PREVAIL podcast here

You can read current Alex’s writing around this issue here

Read, As dark as things seem, the war in Gaza could end up restarting the peace process here

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As the Israeli-Hamas war enters a new phase, Alex and Jason discuss how hard it is to speak publicly and diplomatically about an issue that’s become so partisan and so emotive. Plus: the pair talk about Jason’s idea for interim post-war governance of Gaza involving a Qatari-Saudi-Egyptian-Emirati condominium which would need to be mediated by American and British diplomats. Although only a medium-term solution, Jason believes it could give key regional players a stake in forging peace in the region.

Twitter: @DisorderShow 

Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com

Producer: George McDonagh 

Exec Producer: Neil Fearn 

Show Notes Links 

Read Jason’s Article, “Qatar is the key to peace in postwar Gaza” here

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Across the world, there are vast swathes of the planet (especially our oceans and atmosphere) that have been left without governance, and into that space have stepped terrorist groups, disordering non-state actors, drug cartels, and polluting and exploitative corporations. So how can global institutions help bring a semblance of order back to these places ? 

In this episode, Sam Quinones will help us look at how rogue actors have helped to perpetuate disorder across the world – for example, in Mexico where drug cartels turn the absence of governance into proift. Harold A. Trinkunas talks to us about how ungoverned spaces in Venezula and other failed States came to be and what their existence says about our era of disorder. In the conclusion, Alex and Jason ‘Order the Disorder’ propose how communities and interested institution can mitigate the disordering impact of spaces that are without global governance. 

Twitter: @DisorderShow 

 Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/nato-and-adversaries  

Producer: George McDonagh 

Exec Producer: Neil Fearn 

Show Notes Links 

Get Harold’s co-authored book, Ungoverned Spaces: Alternatives to state authority in an era of softened sovereignty here 

For more on Sam Quinones, visit here

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From London to Miami, illicit cash has been flowing through the West’s financial systems. Coordination failures have allowed disruptors like Russia to prop up a transnational kleptocracy – while groups like the UN, IMF and NATO are ill-equipped to deal with this problem, especially as key players in Britain and America, actively encourage the financial deregulation on which the kleptocrats thrive. 

In this episode we look at the origins of globalized finance and how illicit money flows cause global disorder by empowering thieves and increasing inequality, and what can be done to stop the spread of dirty cash. Peter Geoghegan explains how illicit money influences British politics. Tena Prelec examines the role of Eastern Europe and sketches how the answer out of our current mess is to advocate for radical transparency. In the Ordering the Disorder segment we showcase why we should focus on ordering our own house first rather than focusing on the sins of our systemic competitors. 

Twitter: @DisorderShow 

Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/nato-and-adversaries  

Producer: George McDonagh 

Exec Producer: Neil Fearn 

Show Notes Links 

For more on Peter Geoghegan is here

For more on Tena Prelec, visit here

More on this kleptocracy and tax havens can be found here

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On Saturday October the 7th the world awoke to the most horrific, chaotic, and game changing Arab-Israeli war in 50 years. But despite how tragic the news was, it wasn’t at all surprising. Internal divisions and partisan dysfunction inside previously functioning democracies (like Israel) have left previously secure and united societies, divided and open to their enemies. This has been an open invitation to those who wish to actively disorder global affairs. 

In this bonus episode, Jason Pack and David Patrikarakos discuss how, in our era of disorder, conflicts in one part of the world create immediate disordering reactions elsewhere. They’ll also talk about David’s time in Gaza, Jason’s conversations with anti-Semitic cab drivers in Lebanon and the West Bank, and how the internet radicalizes reporting on this conflict. Jason and David disagree agreeably about whether Hamas has already won this war. Finally, they’ll try to suggest ways out of this conflict, as they try to Order the Disorder. 

Twitter: @DisorderShow 

Website:  

https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/ 

Producer: George McDonagh 

Exec Producer: Neil Fearn 

Show Notes Links 

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For depth on the historical context of the War: listen to Jason on Arthur Snell’s Behind the Lines here

Brett Stevens NYT Op-ed on potential solutions here

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Nation states no longer work effectively in tandem. Gone are the days of hegemonic US power directly ordering the allies. Furthermore, groups like the UN are ineffective, with disruptors often calling the shots. However, NATO stands apart as an example of how countries can work together successfully and how a global institution can remain largely uncontroversial, while doing serious coordinating work to solve real world problems. 

In this episode our hosts and guests relate their perspectives about what NATO stands for, its strengths and limitations, and the threats it faces. Former NATO Deputy Sec General, Jamie Shea tells about how the organisation worked in the Balkans and Afghanistan, while Kori Schake mulls over the role of the US as NATO’s hegemonic leader. Timothy Garton Ash comments on distinctions between NATO and the EU especially as pertains to values like liberty. Finally, Charles Kupchan examines why Russia chooses to actively disorder. Charles and Jason disagree agreeable on China’s role as an orderer vs. disorderer.  

Twitter: @DisorderShow 

Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/nato-and-adversaries  

Producer: George McDonagh 

Exec Producer: Neil Fearn 

Show Notes Links 

For more on Kori Schake, visit here

For more on Jamie Shea, visit here 

Get Timothy Garton Ash’s book, Homelands here

For more on Charles Kupchan, visit here

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