In this episode of Do It for The Gram, Milton speaks with Reverend Nhien Vuong, an internationally accredited Enneagram professional, a certified Enneagram teacher and the founder of Evolving Enneagram. Nhien talks about her recently released book “The Enneagram of the Soul” that provides a path to wholeness for the self, while steering gently yet firmly away from the trap of solely identifying with their personality type. Nhien talks about the series of synchronicities that inspired her to write the book and the inner work that became part of her writing journey. She also shares why this book has become important for what’s happening with the world right now.

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com/application

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

Upcoming Events: kaizencareers.com/upcoming-events

IEA Links:

IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com

IEA Podcast: international-enneagram.captivate.fm

Connect with Nhien:

Nhien’s Website: evolvingenneagram.com

Nhien’s Book: “The Enneagram of the Soul”

Contemplative Enneagram Practitioner Training & Certification Program: evolvingenneagram.com/contemplative-enneagram-certification-program

Nhien’s Website: nhien-vuong.com

In this episode of Do It for The Gram, Milton speaks with B. Chris Simpson about being his countertype of Social 7. B. Chris shares how being this type is wild and full of adventure and why interactions with others can bring him deep levels of joy and purpose. One of his biggest challenges is to separate from consistent service to the group though, which makes him question who he is without the social setting. Does he have worth outside of this? He also compares the differences to Milton’s countertype of Self-Preservation 7 and shares what he learned from fellow self-preservation types to slow down.

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com/application

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

Upcoming Events: kaizencareers.com/upcoming-events

IEA Links:

IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com

IEA Podcast: international-enneagram.captivate.fm

Connect with B. Chris:

Email B. Chris: [email protected]

In this special collaborative episode with Do It for The Gram, the International Enneagram Association Podcast and Fathoms, Milton is joined by Seth “Creek” Creekmore, Lindsey Marks and Lee Fields as they preview the upcoming IEA Enneagram Experience 2025 - Global Conference and Celebration. All four hosts will be in attendance, so they share what they are looking forward to at this summer’s annual event while also reflecting on this year’s theme — 30 years honoring Enneagram pioneers and future frontiers.

The Fathoms team will continue to host the IEA podcast with the traditional long form interviews with legendary figures as well as collect personal stories from attendees to deeply humanize this work. In their current Season Five, Fathoms has been focusing on the history of the Enneagram from the perspective of different schools and models to get a fuller picture of how they’ve come into this tool, providing an important and better framework and grounding before the conference.

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com/application

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

Upcoming Events: kaizencareers.com/upcoming-events

IEA Links:

IEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.com

IEA Podcast: international-enneagram.captivate.fm

Connect with Creek:

Instagram: @_creekmore

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Awareness to Action Enneagram Podcast

Pod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. B

Connect with Lindsey:

IG: @lindseyfaithdm

Pod: Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast

Connect with Lee:

Web: enneagrammatic.com

IG: @enneagrammatic

In this episode of Do It for The Gram, Milton speaks with Michael Shahan, a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist practicing at Moss and Main Therapy Group in Kansas City, Missouri. Michael specializes in integrating the Enneagram into therapy, using it as a tool to help his clients work through trauma, find empathy and compassion for themselves, and move toward growth. He's also the author of The Enneagram in Practice Course.

Michael talks about mistyping and why it matters through his personal experience with being mistyped as a Social Nine. He shares what helped him process his journey after discovering that he’s a Type Six, why this type is often misunderstood and how it presents differently than expected.

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.com/

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

Connect with Michael:

Michael’s Website: michaelshahan.com

Email Michael: [email protected]

Michael’s Instagram: @michaelshahan_therapy

Coaching and resources for "Enneagram in Practice": michaelshahan.com/pages/enneagram-coaching

In this episode of Do It For The Gram podcast, Milton speaks with Joel Hubbard, an Enneagram thought leader and certified coach, co-founder of The Art of Growth and co-host of the Art of Growth Podcast. Joel talks about his book, “Hunters, Farmer, and Teamers: Harness Human Instincts to Elevate Impact,” that came out earlier this year and was co-written with Jim Zartman. He explains the concepts behind the book by explaining the concepts of hunter, farmer and teacher and how they correlate with the instincts.

Connect with Joel:

Joel’s website: theartofgrowth.org

Joel’s book: https://amzn.to/3FLjTbB

The Art of Growth Podcast: theartofgrowth.org/podcast

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.com/

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

Connect with Joel:

Joel’s website: theartofgrowth.org

Joel’s book: https://amzn.to/3FLjTbB

The Art of Growth Podcast: theartofgrowth.org/podcast

In this episode, Jessica Denise Dickson returns to Do It For The Gram to discuss her countertype of Social 8 with Milton. After learning about the Enneagram during her time in higher education, Denise initially thought she was an Enneagram Two. She spent a few years doing work as a Two, but it was when she learned about the instincts and listened to women that she realized that she’s actually an Eight. She talks about her shift to Social Eight and how she’s transformed by this information. As she integrates Enneagram in her work, Denise provides a lot of insight on why typing is a journey of discovery, growth, healing and transformation and why she focuses more on the things the types give attention to such as core fears, desires, passions and fixations.

Connect with Jessica:

Jessica’s Links and Handles:

IG: @jessicaddicksoncoaching

IG: @jessicaddickson

Website: jessicaddickson.com

Facebook: facebook.com/jessicaddicksoncoaching

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jessicaddickson

LinkTree: linktr.ee/jessicaddicksoncoaching

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.com

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

In this episode, Milton speaks with Deon Gibbs, a psychiatric nurse practitioner and mental health advocate. While he may be relatively new to the Enneagram, Deon is not new to inner work. He shares how his journey with the Enneagram led him to learn his type structure of Sexual Six–which he refers as “The Sexy Six”--and how it helps with his inner work. One aspect of this countertype is fear, yet Deon discusses how he uses fear in a different way and allows it to drive him to different places.

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com/application

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

Connect with Deon:

Deon’s Instagram: @deonalonzogibbs

Email Deon: [email protected]

Mental health resources:

• CDC - Mental Health
• American Psychiatric Association

In this episode, Milton speaks with Talia Guerrero, who speaks about her experience and inner work from being a Sexual Type Five. Talia shares her journey with the Enneagram that began with a workshop at work and how she discovered her specific type. To her, the Enneagram is not just a tool, but a lens integrated in her life.

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com/application

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

Connect with Talia: 

Talia’s Instagram: @amor_vertical_love

Read The Soul Triads

In this episode, Milton speaks with Halley Simpson, Recovery Coach and Alumni Outreach Specialist at Meadows Behavioral Healthcare, about being a Self-Preservation Four. Halley shares how the Enneagram found her when she was 19 years old and her journey in discovering that she is a Self-Preservation Four after initially thinking she was a Type Nine. With Self-Preservation Four being the most mistype of them all, Halley discusses the similarities to Type Nine and how it blends and adapts to seem like other types. She also talks about how her type contributes to her stoicism, which contributes to her not sharing her emotions freely in addition to her high threshold for emotional pain. However, her personality gives her empathy and compassion which allows her to do well in her work.

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com/application

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

Connect with Halley: 

Halley’s Facebook: facebook.com/Halley.simpson10

In this episode, Milton speaks with Tyler Zach, a certified Enneagram coach with over 18 years of full time ministry experience as a campus minister and pastor. Tyler is the co-founder and pastor of One Hope, a multi-ethnic church in Ohama, Nebraska, and the author of a faith-based 40 day devotional for every Enneagram type. Zach shares how he found his countertype after he initially saw himself as a Type Five and how being a Self-Preservation Three differs from the other two Threes. He also discusses how the efficiency of his countertype contributed to helping him write his nine books that he wrote an hour a day for five years.

Connect with Tyler: 

Email Tyler: [email protected]

Tyler’s Website: tylerzach.com

IG: https://www.instagram.com/gospelforenneagram

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/gospelforenneagram

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@gospelforenneagram

FREEBIE: Download Tyler's FREE 5-Day Devotional for your Enneagram Type: ⁠https://www.tylerzach.com/free⁠

Milton's Links and Handles:

Join KCEP Program: kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co

The B.I.G. Enneagram Retreat: bigenneagramretreat.simvoly.com/application

Milton's Website: KaizenCareers.com

Mentioned in this episode:

ENNEAGRAM Certification

https://kaizen-enneagram-community.mn.co/