The Experts w/ Dr Jenelle Kim

Dr. Joel “Gator” – Vaccines, Integrative Pediatrics & Raising Healthier Kids

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Dr. Jenelle Kim sits down with Dr. Joel “Gator,” a board-certified pediatrician known for his balanced, evidence-minded approach to parenting and integrative medicine. This episode takes on one of the most polarized topics today—vaccines—through the lens of data, risk-benefit thinking, and informed consent. They explore rising chronic conditions in children, what a “slow/alternate” schedule actually looks like, how policy shapes vaccine safety incentives, and the role of food, toxins, and lifestyle in kids’ long-term health.

You’ll Learn

  • How to approach vaccines through risk-benefit thinking rather than ideology

  • What a “slow/alternate” schedule involves (timing, spacing, one-at-a-time)

  • The difference between preventing severe disease vs. blocking transmission

  • How liability and the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act shape safety incentives

  • Why chronic pediatric conditions are climbing—and what parents can control

  • How integrative pediatrics uses nutrition and environment alongside Western care

  • Mindset shifts: curiosity, humility, and staying out of “certainty traps”

    • Chapters

    00:00 – Why this conversation matters for parents
    01:18 – Meet Dr. Joel “Gator”
    04:40 – Keeping the topic non-political
    08:05 – Why vaccine conversations feel censored
    12:20 – Informed choice vs. mandates
    15:10 – Breaking down a slow/alternate schedule
    19:25 – Intuition, sensitive kids & missing research
    22:40 – Genetics, safety, and data we need
    26:15 – 1986 Vaccine Injury Act explained
    29:20 – School requirements & choice
    33:10 – Chronic conditions: obesity, allergies, autism
    38:05 – Better diagnosis vs. true rise
    41:10 – Food quality, toxins & systemic change
    45:05 – Integrative pediatrics in practice
    47:10 – Debate, humility, and mindset
    49:00 – Book + advocacy resources
    50:35 – Closing thoughts for parents

    Links & Resources

    🌿 JBK Wellness Labs
    📘 Between a Shot and a Hard Place
    🎓 Dr. Kim’s The 8 Keys of Living Meditation & Qigong Courses 
    📲 Dr. Joel Gator: @drjoelgator | theshotbook.com

     

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