In episode 342 I chat with Dr Steven Phillipson. Steven is a licensed clinical psychologist who specialises in Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy for OCD. Steven is the Clinical Director at the Center for Cognitive Behavioral Psychotherapy in New York.

We discuss why sleep is the hostage of anxiety, desperation around sleep, what is sleep and the stages of sleep, how sleep medication, alcohol, and benzodiazepines can affect sleep quality, using sleep as avoidance, insomnia, sleep as an independent system, how trying to sleep may be causing a lack of it, what Steve doesn't like about the CBT sleep hygiene approach, Steve's approach to helping his clients sleep, why sleep shouldn't be the goal, getting an OCD spike at night, OCD in our dreams, and much more. Hope it helps.

Show notes: https://theocdstories.com/episode/steve-phillipson-sleep-342

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