Nolan and Desiree talk about how nice it is not to have to hide your kratom use after you quit. Eren discusses how his kratom addiction progressed over five years until he was able to stop in early December 2023.  He "hugged the cactus", and quit with the help of the podcast, online kratom meetings and quitting support groups. 

How would you describe your life now that you're freedom free?  

"Oh, that's a good question. It's a complicated question. I'll try to keep it short. I think that it's more honest and I think it's more sincere, and I think that it's sometimes harder, but I think that overall it's easier and better and more fulfilling and more rewarding, and I've had to face uncomfortable truths about myself. My history and reflecting on my past. ...This whole feeling of I don't deserve to be here, I don't belong, whatever...Ridiculous thoughts are things that I press down with substances and now the journey is I can actually work through this. And that's been for me, this journey of, now that I'm off of it, I think it's like a car, like all my trauma was like a car...Like you gotta take the car in to get serviced. And I wasn't servicing the car and so the car was getting fucked up...So that was the process and that's been, but I've had to go through and work through now, but it's also very empowering and healing."

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