In the opening segment, Nolan talks about how sobriety is not just the absence of a substance in your life. Kevin took kratom for the first time 7 years ago, but it made him nauseous, and he didn't return to it again until January 2024. After just a year of drinking the kava-kratom tonics, Kevin quit at the first of the year 2025.

Did you know that Nolan wrote a book about quitting kratom?  Check it out: https://tinyurl.com/yprb5hkj

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