June 29, 2025

E153 Matt and Jen

29 minutes

Lily and Nolan talk about sleep issues in the weeks after you quit kratom.

NOTE: Jen and Matt are living in FEMA temporary housing post a Florida disaster and have a pop-up emergency internet connection, which caused audio issues in the interview recording. We did the best we could to improve the quality but there are several spots were the guests fade out a little, so please accept our apologies.

This week, a couple discuss their quitting journey with Jacob. Born in the 1960s, Matt and Jen both turned to kratom to get off of stronger prescription and street drugs. About 13 years ago, Matt ALMOST (this was one of the audio snafus) lost his leg during a surgery and was prescribed fentanyl patches for pain. Later using kratom as a ramp off and a substitute to such pharmaceuticals, Matt was up to 60g of powder a day and then switched to extracts as he could not stomach kratom powder anymore. After many relapses trying to quit kratom and other drugs, they both decided to try Medicated Assisted Treatment (MAT) in January 2023. Matt plans to taper off buprenorphine with the injectable option known as Sublocade this year. Despite many tough times, including the losses of a pet, car and home, they successfully interrupted their kratom addiction, and have not become dependent again over the last couple years. Matt warns against the use of 7ohm based on a week of him turning to this kratom alkaloid isolate product when he was out-of-town without buprenorphine.

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