In the open, Lily and Jacob discuss the pitfall of only using the podcast as your sole source of support (don't do it!). In the interview, Britton, a 40-year-old MRI tech and endurance athlete from Colorado, shares his journey from using kratom, including 7OH at the end, for five years to achieving over a year of sobriety through AA's 12-step program. He and Lily explore:

* The isolating nature of kratom addiction;

* The brutal withdrawal process he endured cold turkey;

* A deceptive progression from casual use to physical dependence to disordered consumption with an inability to quit despite a strong desire. 

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