On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jason is joined by Chris Grove from Acies Investments 

Hear them discuss:

01:43 - How Chris became so good at doing PR

03:31 - What Chris sees as his "north star" for his work in the betting and gaming industry

09:29 - Chris' thesis on why the future is "not so much gamifying sports betting as building games that are powered by sports outcomes"

15:33 - Where Chris sees opportunity for startups and challenger brands in a duopolistic US operator market

21:00 - The role and relative importance of price as a differentiator for sports betting operators

26:18 - The significance of exchanges, where they sit within the landscape, and why they're not bigger

35:01 - A debate on whether online sportsbooks are 'technology companies' or 'gambling companies'

43:51 - What Chris wants to be when he grows up

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