Jordan Hall is known to some as a rare sort of visionary, philosopher, and cultural change agent.

He joins Tim for a hopeful dialogue about the problem of civilization and what might be done about it. The first part is an introduction to the notion of Civium. The second part adds some paint to the canvas.

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Conversation waypoints, keywords, people mentioned, and further links to Jordan's work at: https://wp.me/p2UC3z-G8