Have you ever thought that one of the best ways to connect with God might be through play? Join Dave for this week’s episode where he speaks with John Carroll, Executive Director of Dallas Willard Ministries’ School for Kingdom Living, about the surprising spiritual discipline of play and its role in experiencing life with God. Together, they explore themes of work, rest, burnout, and practicing Jesus’ teachings in everyday life. John shares how he’s encountered God through moments of joy, creativity, and even personal challenges—drawing deeply from the wisdom of Dallas Willard. As always, the conversation closes with a time of meditative prayer, grounding listeners in their identity in Christ.

Takeaways:

• The Discipline of Play as Spiritual Practice: John Carroll shares how play—often overlooked in spiritual life—can be a powerful way to experience God’s joy and presence.
  • Takeaway: This week, choose one playful activity (hiking, sports, music, games, etc.) and invite God into it. Notice moments of joy and gratitude as you play.
• Focal Practices for Burnout Prevention: Research shows activities that make us lose track of time can help prevent burnout and nurture spiritual health.
  • Takeaway: Identify one hobby or creative outlet that brings you fully into the present moment and schedule time for it this week.
• Community and Spiritual Formation: The School of Kingdom Living creates space for people to journey together in learning and practicing the way of Jesus.
  • Takeaway: Look for a spiritual community—a small group, class, or retreat—where you can share your faith journey with others and grow together.
• Experiencing God Through Creation: Both John and Dave shared moments of encountering God through nature, whether on mountain hikes, at the ocean, or while surfing.
  • Takeaway: Spend time outdoors this week—at a park, on a trail, or by the water—and intentionally pause to notice God’s beauty and presence around you.
• Living in Your True Identity: John invites listeners to embrace the prayer, “I am one in whom Christ dwells and delights, and I live in the strong and unshakable kingdom of God.”
  • Takeaway: Write this prayer on a note card and return to it throughout your day—while driving, brushing your teeth, or before bed—to stay grounded in God’s love.

Quote of the Show:

• “ The truth is that the kingdom is not in jeopardy and neither are we.” - John Carroll

Links:

• Website: https://dwillard.org/ 
• Book Link: https://dwillard.org/school-of-kingdom-living/description