Ep. 111: How MDMA Is Transforming Love, Aging & GriefMany people think MDMA is a party drug. What if it’s actually a medicine for seniors?

Join us for this deeply personal, science-backed live recording of our August virtual Psychedelic Salon. I was joined by Charley Wininger, licensed therapist and author of Listening to Ecstasy, and his wife Shelly, who introduced Charley to MDMA and inadvertently changed both their lives.

This episode unpacks how MDMA has enhanced their relationship, deepened their intimacy, helped process grief, and brought unexpected youthful vitality back into their lives. We touch on everything from safe use protocols to sex, aging, grief, and even using MDMA to support decision-making during divorce.

It’s a joyful, intimate conversation rooted in love, community, and years of experience. A must-listen for anyone curious about the intersection of psychedelics, aging, and emotional healing.

🔵 Key Takeaways

- MDMA can bring back vitality, joy, and intimacy in aging couples.

- Grief and trauma are central to many people’s suffering—and MDMA can offer a path to healing.

- Proper protocols and post-use care make a huge difference in experience and recovery.

- Seniors face unique considerations around prescription meds and safety—but age isn’t a disqualifier.

- Community, connection, and shared experiences amplify MDMA’s therapeutic effects.

🔵 Timestamps

[00:00] Introduction by April Pride[01:00] Charley and Shelly’s love story and MDMA origin[04:00] MDMA for connection, not just therapy[07:00] Microdosing vs. full doses for aging bodies[10:00] Reclaiming joy and youth in your 60s and 70s[13:00] Protocols, safety, and navigating medications[17:00] Using MDMA to address grief after major loss[22:00] Intimacy, sex, and MDMA in long-term relationships[27:00] Can MDMA help save or end a marriage?[31:00] FDA, safety concerns, and overlooked age groups[37:00] Community healing: Potlucks, shared rolls, and one pulse[41:00] Advice for couples using MDMA without a guide[49:00] Final reflections and upcoming events

🔵 Featured Guests

Charley Wininger – Licensed therapist, author of Listening to Ecstasy📘 charleywininger.com

Shelly Wininger – Former critical care nurse, cannabis advocate, and spiritual explorer

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