My guest this week is Mark Gregory Karris. We discussed his recent book, Religious Refugees, which describes the process so many of us will go through of losing our faith, and needing to reconstruct it in a new way. Mark is intimately familiar with this process having gone through it himself, and he guides other religious refugees as they wrestle with issues of faith.

Mark and I had a lot of overlap in our backgrounds, having left fundamentalist Christian denominations, and also a shared history of speaking in tongues which we talked about. We also talked a lot about the love of God, which is sadly missing in so many people’s religious experience, and how to shift our unhelpful beliefs.