School of War

Ep. 18: Bruce Jones on Seapower

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Bruce Jones, director of the Project on International Order and Strategy of the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution, joins the show to discuss seapower. 


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  • 00:51 - Introduction 
  • 01:17 - The importance of seapower today
  • 06:45 - Innovation of container shipping and how that changed the global economy 
  • 12:50 - China re-enters the seas 
  • 16:54 - China’s security challenges at sea
  • 22:44 - Shallow seas, narrow passages, and massive ships 
  • 24:06 - China’s strategic interest in Taiwan  
  • 26:10 - China’s alienation of potential allies  
  • 29:08 - American strategic view of the Pacific Ocean
  • 34:41 - Relations between the United States and India, specifically in terms of taking on China 
  • 39:12 - Seapower theorist Alfred Thayer Mahan
  • 44:55 - Comparing America’s quest for power at sea during the 20th century and China’s return to the sea today 
  • 48:48 - The role of oceanography in nation-state power competition



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