In this powerful 200th episode, Levi and Jennie Lusko sit down with the legendary TobyMac for a raw, vulnerable, and hope-filled conversation. From his earliest days with DC Talk to the crushing loss of his son Truett, Toby shares the story behind his music, his deep faith, and what it means to fight for joy amid unspeakable pain. They laugh, cry, and reflect on legacy, healing, and what “Heaven on My Mind” really means. This episode is a must-listen for anyone walking through hardship or seeking to hold onto hope.

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Timestamps:
00:45 - Celebrating 200 Episodes Live in Franklin
02:15 - TobyMac’s First Concert Memories + DC Talk Origins
05:30 - Why He Keeps Making Music After All These Years
09:40 - The Summer Camp that Changed His Life Forever
14:10 - Losing Truett: Grief, Faith, and Finding Strength
19:05 - Writing “21 Years” and the Birth of Heaven on My Mind
23:50 - The Story Behind “God Did It” and Waging War on Jadedness