Best-selling author and pastor Max Lucado joins Levi and Jennie to talk taming your thoughts, grandparent joy, and the kind of hope that actually holds. Max shares the wild family headline—three daughters pregnant at once—and how becoming “Papa Max” has reshaped his rhythms and perspective.

They dive into Max’s new book, Tame Your Thoughts: Three Tools to Renew Your Mind and Transform Your Life, walking through “picky thinking,” spotting the “UFOs” (untruth → false narrative → overreaction), and the practice of uprooting lies and replanting truth. The conversation gets practical on media intake, the real brain/relationship fallout of porn, and Max’s storyteller toolkit—from dog tales to Amelia Earhart—and why the message must always lead the illustration. They wrap with a glimpse of Max’s “The Only One” series on the uniqueness of Christ and a quick nod to tattoos (yes, really).

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Timestamps
04:44 – Grandparenting joy, rhythms, and “Papa Max” & “Dee Dee”
05:49 – Why Max wrote Tame Your Thoughts and reader feedback
07:45 – The three tools: picky thinking, UFOs, and replanting truth
16:55 – Guard your intake: screens, sleep, and porn’s real fallout
23:31 – How Max collects stories and lets the message lead