In this conversation, Tyler Dickerhoof interviews Mao Espinosa, a leadership expert and author, discussing the themes of leadership, personal growth, and the impact of adversity. Mao shares his experiences during the COVID-19 pandemic, the importance of emotional well-being, and the significance of self-recognition in leadership. He emphasizes the need for congruence between thoughts and actions, the role of emotions in sales, and the value of celebrating small wins. The discussion also touches on societal expectations and the journey to finding one's true self.

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