Jon Erwin — the filmmaker behind Young Washington, House of David, and Jesus Revolution — joins Levi and Jennie to talk about why he spent a decade obsessed with George Washington before ever picking up a camera. They get into how Washington's worst failures actually forged his leadership, the real bullet holes that shaped his faith, and why Jon cast Andy Serkis (yes, Gollum himself) for the film. Plus: the wild, lifeguard-overwhelming baptism story behind Jesus Revolution and what's coming next from Wonder Project.

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Time Stamps

00:00 - Welcome Jon Erwin

02:33 – America's 250th and why this is "an experiment worth believing in" 

05:37 – The leadership lesson hiding in young Washington's biggest mistakes 

16:02 – Making war feel real without losing the family audience 

22:56 – The "divine hand of providence" — Washington's faith, bullet holes, and Cincinnatus 

31:13 – Inside Wonder Project's new short-form Bible series, starting with Moses 

46:44 – The three unexplainable moments and the mass baptisms behind House of David