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Lauren and Shannon's conversation with Jeffrey Epstein survivor, Jess Michaels. On this episode the ladies talk about the impacts of being raped at a crucial developmental age, the neurobiology of trauma, the unique paths Jess took in order to heal and a whole lot more. Jess also shares her innovative sexual assault first aid company, 3Joannes, she founded. Cheers!
(0:00) Introduction
(3:14) Jess’s story
(7:10) Perception of rape laws change response to SA
(10:34) Learning others were raped by Epstein too
(17:06) Stress hormones extreme impact on body
(20:14) Creating safety and our nervous system
(32:53) How Jess healed and neurobiology of trauma
(37:31) Adrenal fatigue syndrome
(50:19) Gaslighting ourselves
(52:10) Look at SA as an injury
(54:22) 3Joannes Jess’s business, sexual assault first aid
(1:11:19) If we had SA first aid plan before it happened
(1:15:08) 3Joannes Soft Launch & Callisto- perpetrator matching system
Jess Michaels:
TEDx Talk: https://youtu.be/bJtjJiWAra8?si=ukdYFF-HgQic26ZK
Callisto: https://www.projectcallisto.org/
End Rape On Campus Mapping Tool: https://endrapeoncampus.org/map-and-tool/
Perversion of Justice Book: https://a.co/d/24bPpO4
Got questions? Have an episode idea?
Send us an email: [email protected]
Instagram: www.instagram.com/whattheydontsayofficial/
Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@whattheydontsayofficial
If you or someone you know has been sexually assaulted and needs support: 1-800-656-4573 (National Sexual Assault Hotline)
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Lauren and Shannon's conversation with Jeffrey Epstein survivor, Jess Michaels. On this episode the ladies talk about the impacts of being raped at a crucial developmental age, the neurobiology of trauma, the unique paths Jess took in order to heal and a whole lot more. Jess also shares her innovative sexual assault first aid company, 3Joannes, she founded. Cheers!
(0:00) Introduction
(3:14) Jess’s story
(7:10) Perception of rape laws change response to SA
(10:34) Learning others were raped by Epstein too
(17:06) Stress hormones extreme impact on body
(20:14) Creating safety and our nervous system
(32:53) How Jess healed and neurobiology of trauma
(37:31) Adrenal fatigue syndrome
(50:19) Gaslighting ourselves
(52:10) Look at SA as an injury
(54:22) 3Joannes Jess’s business, sexual assault first aid
(1:11:19) If we had SA first aid plan before it happened
(1:15:08) 3Joannes Soft Launch & Callisto- perpetrator matching system
Jess Michaels:
TEDx Talk: https://youtu.be/bJtjJiWAra8?si=ukdYFF-HgQic26ZK
Callisto: https://www.projectcallisto.org/
End Rape On Campus Mapping Tool: https://endrapeoncampus.org/map-and-tool/
Perversion of Justice Book: https://a.co/d/24bPpO4
Got questions? Have an episode idea?
Send us an email: [email protected]
Instagram: www.instagram.com/whattheydontsayofficial/
Tik Tok: www.tiktok.com/@whattheydontsayofficial
If you or someone you know has been sexually assaulted and needs support: 1-800-656-4573 (National Sexual Assault Hotline)

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