What They Don't Say: Sexual Assault and Everything in Between

Ep. 28 Jess Michaels: Epstein Survivor to CEO


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Lauren and Shannon's conversation with Jeffrey Epstein survivor, Jess Michaels. On this episode the ladies talk about the impacts of being raped at a crucial developmental age, the neurobiology of trauma, the unique paths Jess took in order to heal and a whole lot more. Jess also shares her innovative sexual assault first aid company, 3Joannes, she founded. Cheers!

(0:00) Introduction

(3:14) Jess’s story

(7:10) Perception of rape laws change response to SA

(10:34) Learning others were raped by Epstein too

(17:06) Stress hormones extreme impact on body

(20:14) Creating safety and our nervous system

(32:53) How Jess healed and neurobiology of trauma

(37:31) Adrenal fatigue syndrome

(50:19) Gaslighting ourselves

(52:10) Look at SA as an injury

(54:22) 3Joannes Jess’s business, sexual assault first aid

(1:11:19) If we had SA first aid plan before it happened

(1:15:08) 3Joannes Soft Launch & Callisto- perpetrator matching system 

Jess Michaels:

TEDx Talk: https://youtu.be/bJtjJiWAra8?si=ukdYFF-HgQic26ZK

Callisto: https://www.projectcallisto.org/

End Rape On Campus Mapping Tool: https://endrapeoncampus.org/map-and-tool/

Perversion of Justice Book: https://a.co/d/24bPpO4

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If you or someone you know has been sexually assaulted and needs support: 1-800-656-4573 (National Sexual Assault Hotline)

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