Glenn Ostlund's Psychology Today Profile

Listener and fan of the show, Jake sits down with Tom and Kim Gustavsson to talk about his listener submitted essay titled, “Verbal JiuJitsu”.

Kim’s company and website: http://accendeo.com/

“We must try to penetrate our most secret self, and examine our being from all sides. . . . And so, for the first time in my life perhaps (although I am supposed to meditate every day!), I took the lamp and, leaving the zone of everyday occupations and relationships where everything seems clear, I went down into my inmost self, to the deep abyss whence I feel dimly that my power of action emanates. But as I moved further and further away from the conventional certainties by which social life is superficially illuminated, I became aware that I was losing contact with myself. At each step of the descent a new person was disclosed within me of whose name I was no longer sure, and who no longer obeyed me. And when I had to stop my exploration because the path faded from beneath my steps, I found a bottomless abyss at my feet, and out of it came—arising I know not from where—the current which I dare to call my life.” – Teilhard de Chardin, Pierre. The Divine Milieu (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, Incorporated, 1960)  p. 42