Jim talks with Rufus Pollock—entrepreneur, activist, Zen practitioner, founder of Life Itself and the Open Knowledge Foundation, and author of Open Revolution—about the metacrisis, the wisdom gap, and what a Second Renaissance might look like. They discuss Jim's own early belief that accessible information would produce a renaissance of democracy, the realization that "open knowledge does not make open minds," the printing press and Gutenberg as a historical parallel to today's breakdown of sense-making, why today's epistemic crisis is exponentially harder than 1520 because any formulation you want is on offer, the breakdown of trust in science and rational bureaucracy as parallel to the collapse of Catholic epistemic authority, Christopher Alexander's work as the best analogy for wisdom and his claim that beauty and wholeness are real, Rufus's three elements of wisdom—"valuception," discernment, and the capacity to act—applied both individually and collectively, how humans have solved collective action problems by culturally hijacking kin-care genetics to imagine a larger we, culture as scaffolding for people who can't or won't do inner work themselves, Joseph Henrich's framing of humans as the imitation ape rather than the smart ape, the distinction between surface culture and deep civilizational paradigms, Life Itself's conscious co-livings as experiments in new cultural practices, the personal-institutional spiral and why retreat benefits evaporate without external scaffolding, the three layers of the metacrisis, distinguishing the polycrisis from the metacrisis using the HIV/AIDS analogy, modernity's core assumptions and how in the endgame the light becomes a shadow, the five features of a Second Renaissance worldview compared to modernity, technology as the de facto religion of modernity, the Buddhist distinction between waking up and growing up and the aspiration for an awakening society, AI as a case study in the multipolar trap at the company, capital, and geopolitical levels, the historical engine of group enlargement and why war can no longer serve that function, and much more.

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Open Revolution, by Rufus Pollock

Rufus Pollock's Website

Life Itself

A Pattern Language, by Christopher Alexander

The Nature of Order, by Christopher Alexander

The Timeless Way of Building, by Christopher Alexander

Open Knowledge Foundation

Second Renaissance

Second Renaissance White Papers

Rufus Pollock is an entrepreneur, activist and author as well as a long-term zen practitioner. He is passionate about finding wiser, weller ways to live together. He has founded several for-profit and nonprofit initiatives including Life Itself, Open Knowledge Foundation, and Datopian. His book Open Revolution is about making a radically freer and fairer information age. Previously he has been the Mead Fellow in Economics at the University of Cambridge as well as a Shuttleworth and Ashoka Fellow. A recognized global expert on the information society, he has worked with G7 governments, IGOs like the UN, Fortune 500s as well as many civil society organizations. He holds a PhD in Economics and a double first in Mathematics from the University of Cambridge.