Zack and Josie are back with Drew and Suzie—and this time, the conversation dives into the dynamics of new vs. repeat play.

They kick things off with a bold question: what’s the perfect size? Josie and Suzie quickly find themselves in agreement—and their reasoning sets the tone for a fun, unfiltered conversation.

From there, the conversation turns to what really drives desire. Zack says all he needs is mutual attraction, but Josie pushes back, arguing that context, energy, and connection play a much bigger role. While Zack and Josie admit they’re often open to new, in-the-moment opportunities, Drew and Suzie lean toward repeat experiences—where trust, comfort, and deeper exploration can take things further.

That leads to a conversation about the “script.” Zack jokes that most couples stick to a familiar playbook, while Drew and Suzie are working with a much more expansive “menu.” They share how curiosity, communication, and a willingness to explore have shaped their experiences—and how they even help others expand theirs.

And in the end, Zack shares the mindset shift that’s helped him enjoy it all more: letting go of expectations and simply being present for whatever unfolds.

So… is it better to chase something new, or deepen something familiar?

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(00:00:00) AWG: The perfect penis

(00:04:01) It there’s mutual attraction, I’m good to play

(00:06:49) Context and novelty vs familiarity

(00:10:54) Exchange of energy plays a big role in interest

(00:12:02) Familiarity is more important than novelty

(00:16:30) Voyeurism, compersion and Easy Bake Ovens

(00:19:10) Going ‘off script’ and keeping things spicy

(00:24:04) It’s exciting to help other people explore their sexuality

(00:25:54) I don’t know what I don’t know

(00:27:42) Vulnerability creates opportunities for new experiences

(00:28:58) Sounding…are you into it?

(00:32:05) How do you broaden your sex menu

(00:35:29) Regretting the things you did do vs the things you didn’t do

(00:36:29) Expanding our sex menu

(00:39:53) Prescheduled weekend dynamics

(00:42:53) Making the best of every situation

(00:45:18) Letting go of anticipation to enjoy the moment you’re in

(00:47:32) Expanding your sex menu

(00:49:56) Finding other couples with extensive sex menus

(00:53:10) We’ve had some amazing play experiences

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