Episode 4 takes Zach and Rob on-location to the San Francisco edition of the Worn & Wound WindUP show, where we link up with our first guest: Oris CEO of the Americas, VJ Geronimo to chat about the hottest Oris watch since the Diver 65, the Pro PilotX "Kermit Edition." But why Kermit? Why the Muppets? And what could be next for this wildly creative crossover? Well, Rob has some ideas, and you're not going to want to miss them. As always, thanks for listening, and many thanks to our friend VJ for joining B&P!