Daniel recalls a recent experience with car sickness which prompts a conversation about the frequency of certain physical side effects of being drunk or hung over. They address the unfortunate reality of drinking during every day duties like parenting and driving, and how their own well-being was always their lost priority in active addiction. Jenna tells a story of how her mother unwittingly enabled her to nurse a hangover before hosting a party, and they discuss their inability to relate to people who have healthy relationships with alcohol.