The Way Out | A Sobriety and Recovery Podcast

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation:Big Book (Alcoholics Anonymous)https://www.aa.org/the-big-book (aa.org in Bing)

Best Piece of Recovery Advice:Kerr: “The 12 Steps didn’t get me into heaven — they got me out of hell.”Courtney: “Balance.”

Songs That Symbolize Recovery:Phish – Wastehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp7Zk5kFQpE (youtube.com in Bing) Phish – Kill Devil Fallshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XIo5I5Fv0 (youtube.com in Bing)

Summary:Kerr and Courtney share their inspiring journeys through recovery, highlighting the importance of service, understanding addiction, and embracing all pathways to sobriety. Their stories demonstrate that recovery is a deeply personal process rooted in connection, honesty, and willingness. They explore how music, therapy, and authentic relationships have transformed their lives and offer practical insights for anyone seeking hope and healing. Kerr and Courtney emphasize the power of routine, community, and the principles of the 12 steps, showing how recovery can lead to profound transformation and renewed purpose.

Key Topics:The social acceptance of alcohol and its impact on addictionThe importance of service and community in recoveryThe role of trauma therapy and neuroplasticity in healingDifferent pathways to sobriety and the myth of rock bottomThe significance of honesty, open-mindedness, and willingness in recoveryThe role of the 12 steps in recoveryBuilding authentic connections and vulnerabilityThe impact of music and therapy on healingBalancing recovery with daily life and routinesThe importance of humility and ongoing growth

Additional Mentions:Kerr & Courtney’s reflections on the Big Book and foundational recovery principlesHow Phish’s music, especially Waste and Kill Devil Falls, became emotional anchors in their recovery journeysThe power of routine, connection, and showing up for others“Remove AA? Say that again.” – reframing misconceptions about AA and recovery pathways

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Contact Lindsay & Learn More About Her Work: unlimitedstoryworks.substack.com @lindsay13rooke

Recovery Literature (Quit‑Lit) Recommendation: TheBible

Best Piece of Recovery Advice: “You are not yourworst mistake.”

Song That Symbolizes Recovery: Gratitude –Brandon Lake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxnqfE6pQxA (youtube.com in Bing)

God Only Knows – King & Countryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5XIo5I5Fv0 (youtube.com in Bing)

Summary: Lindsay Brooke shares her powerful journey through addiction, her experience in the entertainment industry, and her path to recovery. This episode explores the dark realities of the industry, the importance of authenticity, and the hope found in healing. Lindsay Brooke shares her profound journey of recovery, spiritual awakening, and the importance of self-love, sobriety, and authentic living. This episode explores mental, physical, and spiritual practices that foster true transformation and inner peace.

Key Topics:

Lindsay Brooke's addiction story and recovery milestone

The influence of the entertainment industry on substance use

The importance of sharing authentic stories for healing

The role of trauma and dissociation in addiction

The impact of societal programming and media on perceptions of happiness

The significance of honesty and vulnerability in recovery

The concept of taking agency and rewriting one's story

The connection between darkness, secrets, and addiction

The importance of examples and role models in recovery

The spiritual aspect of healing and the power of sunlight The importance of morning routines and gratitude practices

Understanding the illusion of the world and the role of perception

The influence of social media and how to starve the machine

The significance of community, relationships, and service

The role of sobriety in unlocking gifts and talents

The mental and spiritual practices for daily peace

The impact of addiction and the journey of healing

The importance of living in the present moment and doing the next right thing

The power of prayer, faith, and connecting with the creator

Overcoming shame and embracing authenticity

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Contact Alysse and Learn More About the Sober Curator: https://thesobercurator.com

Recovery Literature (Quit-Lit) Recommendation: AA BigBook – pg 164 - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best Piece of Recovery Advice: “Perform service. Youhave to give it away to keep it.”

Song That Symbolizes Recovery: Tubthumping –Chumbawamba – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc (youtube.com in Bing)

Summary: Alysse Bryson shares her inspiring recoveryjourney, emphasizing honesty, community, and the transformative power of the 12‑stepprogram. Learn how she built a life of purpose through resilience and service.In this episode, Alysse, founder of The Sober Curator, discusses creating amodern recovery resource hub, the importance of authentic connections, and therole of content and community in sustaining long‑term sobriety.

Key Topics: Alysse Bryson’s personal recovery story Theimportance of honesty and vulnerability in recovery The role of community andservice in sustaining sobriety Insights into the 12‑step program and mentalmodels The significance of relationships and inner work in healing The originand mission of The Sober Curator Diverse pathways and community building inrecovery The role of content and media in supporting sobriety Challenges andlessons learned in building a recovery platform The importance of authenticityand humility in recovery communities

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=NC26a67vQjqw0BcgTzPmRg

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Contact Dean:

https://themosthighshow.com

Book Recommendation:

Breathing Under Water – Richard Rohr - https://www.amazon.com/Breathing-Under-Water-Spirituality-Twelve/dp/B0GKTQ8QQT

Autobiography of a Yogi – by Paramahansa Yogananda - https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/7452

4th Step in the Twelve Steps & Twelve Traditions –https://www.aa.org/twelve-steps-twelve-traditions

Best Insight:

“The 12 Steps are a toolkit to recover.”

Song That Symbolizes Recovery:

Beat It – Michael Jackson –https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRdxUFDoQe0 (youtube.com in Bing)

Resources:

Breathing Under Water – Richard Rohr

Autobiography of a Yogi – Paramahansa Yogananda

Twelve Steps & Twelve Traditions –https://www.aa.org/twelve-steps-twelve-traditions

Summary:

Dean shares his inspiring journey from addiction to long‑termrecovery, highlighting the spiritual principles and practices that transformedhis life. Discover how living authentically and serving others can lead toprofound personal growth and healing. Dean discusses his recovery path, hisinnovative projects, and the importance of connection and authenticity insobriety. Explore practical insights, spiritual principles, and unique storiesthat reveal the transformative power of the twelve steps.

Key Topics:

Dean’s personal recovery story from addiction to sobriety

The role of spirituality and the twelve steps in healing

Living authentically and serving others as a path to growth

The importance of community and connection in recovery

The influence of ancient wisdom and mental models on modernrecovery

The Montana Society learning platform

The role of storytelling and oral tradition in healing

Innovative recovery projects including a nuclear bunker andreality show

The importance of connection and vulnerability in sobriety

The impact of the twelve steps and related literature

The spiritual principles underlying recovery

The use of media and storytelling to promote sobriety

Challenges faced in recovery and personal growth

The significance of service and helping others

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=NC26a67vQjqw0BcgTzPmRg

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Contact Paul: EMDRbyPaul.com

IMover App (Android): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.paul.Imover&hl=en-US&pli=1

IMover App (iOS): https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/imover-emdr/id6763722061

Book Recommendation: 12 x 12 - https://www.aa.org/twelve-steps-twelve-traditions

Best Insight: “William James: A spiritual experience is whenyou reach for a power greater than yourself when your lower self is fallingapart.”

Song That Symbolizes Recovery: Peace Train by Cat Stevens – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdq4T3iRV80

Resources:

Website: EMDRbyPaul.com

IMover App (Android): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.paul.Imover&hl=en-US&pli=1IMover App (iOS): https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/imover-emdr/id6763722061

Summary: In this episode, Paul Schulte shares his inspiringrecovery journey, the transformative power of EMDR therapy, and innovativeapproaches to treating trauma and addiction. Discover how addressing traumaearly can revolutionize recovery outcomes. Charlie LeVoir and Where Eaglesexplore trauma, EMDR therapy, and the journey of recovery, emphasizing theimportance of connection, vulnerability, and innovative tools like the IMoverapp to lower barriers to healing.

Key Topics: Recovery journey and long‑term sobriety The roleof trauma and PTSD in addiction How EMDR therapy helps process trauma Theimportance of addressing childhood and generational trauma The intersection ofmental health and substance use disorder Innovative treatment approaches for veteransand military personnel The impact of untreated trauma on relapse Thesignificance of early intervention in recovery Trauma and emotional safety EMDRtherapy and its effectiveness The role of connection and vulnerability inrecovery Development and impact of the IMover app Insights from William Jamesand the Twelve Steps

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” availableonly on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=NC26a67vQjqw0BcgTzPmRg

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Contact Cyn:https://www.instagram.com/cyn_is_here/

Book Recommendation:The Power of Now – Eckhart TolleAmazon link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002361MLA

Best Advice:"Figure out who you are, and be your authentic self."

Song That Symbolizes Recovery:John Lennon – Imagine (1971 Original Music Video)https://youtu.be/YkgkThdzX-8 (youtu.be in Bing)

Resources:Memoir link: https://amzn.to/4y7LD0W Blog: https://substack.com/@cynposner Mexican Pop Song: https://youtu.be/BULZHzDsdOs?si=i-Mvly9WI_zrVg_L

Summary:Cyn Posner shares her powerful story of addiction, identity, and rebuilding from the ashes. From the pressures of performance culture to the chaos of cross addiction, Cyn reveals how she unraveled — and how she put the pieces back together. Her recovery is rooted in authenticity, community, and the courage to confront what’s messy inside. This episode offers hope, insight, and inspiration for anyone seeking their own path to healing.

Don’t forget to check out “The Way Out Playlist” available only on Spotify. Curated by all our wonderful guests on the podcast!https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=NC26a67vQjqw0BcgTzPmRg (open.spotify.com in Bing)

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Book Recommendation Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age: ABrief History of AA Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0916856127

Best Advice "If a woman leaves, don't ask her to comeback." (metaphor about acceptance and letting go)

Song That Symbolizes Recovery (Gerald’s Pick) Beastie Boys –Gratitude YouTube: https://youtu.be/ru3gHk6c2Ew (youtu.be in Bing)

Resources Tribe: Finding & Building Relationships as aPath to Recovery — Gerald Lott Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1964061384

SVVOR (Voices of Recovery) Home: https://svvor.org/

Summary Gerald Lott shares his inspiring journey ofrecovery, community service, and the transformative power of connection. Hisstory highlights how meaningful relationships, accountability, and service canreshape a life impacted by addiction. Gerald discusses his work with Voices ofRecovery, sober living homes, and community outreach—showing how theseinitiatives create real pathways to healing. His insights offer motivation,clarity, and practical guidance for anyone seeking recovery or supportingothers on their journey.

Key Topics

• Gerald’s personal recovery story and milestones
• The role of community organizations in supporting sobriety
• The importance of connection and relationships in healing
• Mental models and principles that guide long‑term recovery
• Honesty, accountability, and humility as foundations for sobriety
• Gerald’s initiatives like Voices of Recovery and sober living homes
• Practical advice for newcomers and those with long‑term sobriety
• Realistic expectations and daily commitment in recovery
• Community outreach and the impact of structured sober living environments

The Way Out Playlist Curated exclusively by guests of TheWay Out Podcast — available only on Spotify. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=NC26a67vQjqw0BcgTzPmRg

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Erik Anderson: Person in Long‑Term Recovery and Founder of Walk the Nine

Learn more about Walk the Nine:https://www.walkthenine.com/

Recovery literature (quit‑lit) recommendation:The Disease of Addiction: A Twenty‑First Century Understanding and Beyond by Joseph Caravellahttps://www.amazon.com/Disease-Addiction-Twenty-First-Century-Understanding/dp/1733110704/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0

Best piece of Recovery advice:It’s ok to be ok but it’s not ok to stay that way

Song that symbolizes Recovery to Erik:“I Don’t Want to Miss a Thing” by Aerosmithhttps://youtu.be/JkK8g6FMEXE?si=9mlfObAjPKxpMH7O

Summary

Eric Anderson shares his journey through trauma, addiction, and recovery, highlighting the importance of community, vulnerability, and service in overcoming substance abuse. Discover how his experiences led to founding Walk the Nine and how recovery can be joyful and fulfilling. In this episode, Erik Anderson shares his inspiring journey through recovery, highlighting the importance of community, accessible recovery activities like golf, and the power of honesty and routine in maintaining sobriety.

Key Topics

Eric Anderson's childhood and trauma

His first experience with alcohol at age 13

College years and early drinking habits

The impact of pandemic on his drinking

The role of community and service in recovery

Founding Walk the Nine and its mission

The importance of vulnerability and honesty in recovery

Misconceptions about addiction and sobriety

The concept of rock bottom and its myths

The significance of finding joy in recovery Erik Anderson's personal recovery story

The role of community and belonging in sobriety

Innovative recovery activities like golf for inclusivity

The importance of routine and mindfulness in recovery

Lessons learned from relapse and resilience

The significance of honesty and self-awareness

Building supportive relationships post-recovery

The impact of recovery literature and mental health practices

The Way Out Playlist Curated exclusively by guests of The Way Out Podcast — available only on Spotify.https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=NC26a67vQjqw0BcgTzPmRg

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Contact Drea: 

Instagram — @Soberherbalist

Book Recommendation: 

The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous - https://www.aa.org/the-big-book

Best Recovery Advice: 

“Don’t drink no matter what.”

“Trust Love.”

Song That Symbolizes Recovery: 

Transformer by Gnarls Barkley - Transformer — Gnarls Barkley(YouTube)

Featured Resources:

Mountain Rose Herbs Blog — Guest Writer: Drea Moore

Sober Herbalist • Alcohol‑Free Herbal Education • Holistic Consultant

Summary

Drea Moore, widely known as the sober herbalist, shares herpowerful journey through addiction, recovery, and her evolution as anherbalist. She reveals how spirituality, herbal medicine, and community serviceshape her approach to sobriety and holistic wellness.

In this episode, Drea explores the intersection of recovery,nature‑basedhealing, and spiritual connection. She highlights the importance of self‑care,community, and personalized spiritual practices, offering a grounded andinspiring perspective on transforming your recovery experience.

Key Topics

Drea Moore’s personal journey through addiction and recovery

Herbalism as a tool for holistic wellness and sobriety

The role of spirituality and astrology in recovery

Community service, mentorship, and giving back

Challenges and misconceptions in sober herbalism

Nature connection as a foundation for healing

Mindfulness and spiritual practices in recovery

Stories of transformation, resilience, and self‑discovery

The history and evolution of self‑help andsobriety programs

🎧 The Way OutPlaylist 

Curated exclusively by guests of The Way Out Podcast —available only on Spotify.

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6HNQyyjlFBrDbOUADgw1Sz?si=NC26a67vQjqw0BcgTzPmRg

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