Today, Ali and Asif discuss the controversial topic of whether you can separate the art from the artist (3:05). They discuss various opinion articles on this subject and the 'cancelling’ of historical figures such as Oscar Wilde and various politicians. They discuss how different types of art may allow this separation to be made easier or harder. They compare authors to actors/directors to stand up comedians and singers. They also discuss how weak versus strong apologies can change someone’s viewpoint on an artist. The guys conclude by discussing the case of Michael Jackson and the sexual abuse allegations against him. Because Jackson suffered from vitiligo, in the second half the guys discuss this skin disease (38:36). Asif talks about the presumed cause as well as how it is diagnosed. Ali then asks Asif about the psychological toll the disease can take as well as the treatment and prognosis. 

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Show Notes:

• It’s Okay to Like Good Art by Bad People: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/05/separate-art-from-artist-cancel-culture-monsters-book/673497/
• Can You Love the Art and Hate the Monster https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/can-you-love-the-art-and-hate-the-artist
• This New Book Asks: Can You Separate the Art From the Artist? https://www.anothermag.com/design-living/14867/monsters-a-fans-dilemma-claire-dederer-cancel-culturehttps://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/opinion/music-pop-culture-justice.html
• Can We Separate Art from the Artist? Should We? https://observer.com/2023/01/can-we-separate-art-from-the-artist-should-we/
• What do we do when the art we love was created by a monster? https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/10/11/17933686/me-too-separating-artist-art-johnny-depp-woody-allen-michael-jackson-louis-ck
• What Do We Do with the Art of Monstrous Men? https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2017/11/20/art-monstrous-men/
• Rihanna: I have forgiven Chris Brown, I truly love him: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/rihanna-chris-brown-112742317.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHQ_aSIGLrcQ0yotID_BwInwuH3Ebaz4Y2W_eqc6tfSey2PpDBXElC2YbC0tfdGCchWPoKs90wjV2aRkrvzLQKftF-gs-YXUQJmnuV0dTuQRUWG9g6EWkLmj5z-IjL-1QDDz4qrVz7rxLOXIR8C1jCG08XJ5Vhq8rsxUPT2yp4xj
• Jian Ghomeshi found not guilty on choking and all sex assault charges: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jian-ghomeshi-sexual-assault-trial-ruling-1.3505446
• Rob Ford on drug use: 'You name it, I pretty well covered it': https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rob-ford-on-drug-use-you-name-it-i-pretty-well-covered-it-1.2693774
• Why are celebrities accused of sexual harassment so bad at apologies? https://www.salon.com/2018/01/06/why-are-celebrities-accused-of-sexual-harassment-so-bad-at-apologies/
• I Made the Pizza Cinnamon Rolls from Mario Batali’s Sexual Misconduct Apology Letter https://www.everywhereist.com/2018/01/i-made-the-pizza-cinnamon-rolls-from-mario-batalis-sexual-misconduct-apology-letter/ 
• Aziz Ansari Is Guilty. Of Not Being a Mind Reader https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/aziz-ansari-babe-sexual-harassment.html
• Shane Gillis was fired from ‘SNL’ for racist and homophobic jokes. Now he’s going to host: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/shane-gillis-saturday-night-live-fired-now-hosting-rcna137161
• Winnie Harlow: Her Emotional Story With Vitiligo: https://www.healthinsight.ca/advocacy/winnie-harlow-her-emotional-story-with-vitiligo/
• Bullies made Winnie Harlow suicidal but now Lewis Hamilton’s stunning girlfriend loves the skin she’s in: https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/1752326/bullies-made-winnie-harlow-suicidal-but-now-lewis-hamiltons-stunning-girlfriend-loves-the-skin-shes-in/
• Vitiligo: A Narrative Review: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9586189/
• Vitiligo: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK559149/
• Beyond skin white spots: Vitiligo and associated comorbidities: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9995999/
• Vitiligo, from Pathogenesis to Therapeutic Advances: State of the Art: https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/24/5/4910
• Understanding the symptoms of vitiligo: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/245081#treatment

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