What exactly are "vampire churches," and why does Skye believe they're sucking the life out of American Christianity? How can "effectiveness" and "ambition" be the enemies of ministry? And why can't Phil stop talking about turtles?? Phil and Skye discuss Skye's new book, Immeasurable. And turtles. This week on the podcast! (Due to a technical glitch, there is no video on YouTube this week. Terribly sorry. Picture us in your minds. Phil is wearing dark purple. Skye is bald. Christian is missing. Go.)