"I'm much more interested in how a person achieves something than in what they specifically achieved," says Debbie Millman, the "Pod Mother" and OG podcaster, twenty years in for Design Matters. 

She's also the author of the new book Love Letter to a Garden (Timber Press).

In this episode, we talk about:

• The 20 year arc of Design Matters
• What people she’s most drawn to
• How she views the narrative arc of an interview
• The research
• As well as the evergreen themes of her new book on her quest for a garden

You can find Debbie at debbiemillman.com and on Instagram @debbiemillman.

Podcast Specific Substack at creativenonfictionpodcast.substrack.com.

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Show notes: brendanomeara.com