This week Karrie brings back Cathy Loerzel to continue their conversation on calling and how we are meant to live. In this episode, they discuss what it means to live in the fullness God has for us. A life that is filled with both joy and grief - and the importance of bringing God into the pain in our stories.

Cathy is a co-author with Dr. Dan Allender of “Redeeming Heartache: How Past Suffering Reveals Our True Calling” and co-founder of The Allender Center.

Listen to this part 2 episode where Karrie and Cathy discuss stepping into our calling, accessing joy through healing, and bringing God into our pain.