Does rugby have a duty to entertain or is it just all about winning? With the backlash against another week of defense dominated rugby, Dylan and Jamie discuss what changes might help make rugby great again and what onus is on the players versus the administrators. We review the Wales v England game and Jamie gives some great insight into the ruthless post game analysis under Shaun Edwards, and the mind games Warren Gatland would play to keep him on his toes. We also welcome Mike Umaga – managing director of Pacific Rugby Players Welfare and a former Samoa international – to the show to talk about the recent Oceans Apart documentary and his son Jacob playing for England.

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