Alex Hutchinson is an award-winning journalist who writes about the science of endurance, fitness and health. His books include the New York Times bestseller Endure: Mind, Body, and the Curiously Elastic Limits of Human Performance and, most recently, The Explorer's Gene: Why We Seek Big Challenges, New Flavors, and the Blank Spots on the Map. His Sweat Science column appears in Outside magazine, and he was previously a columnist for Runner's World. Before journalism, he was a postdoctoral physicist and a long-distance runner for the Canadian national team.

Podcast host Adharanand Finn is the author of three award-winning books, Running with the Kenyans, The Way of the Runner, and The Rise of the Ultra Runners. Follow The Way of the Runner podcast on Instagram: @thewayoftherunner or find it at thewayoftherunner.com

The podcast is supported by Adharanand's Patreon page, which is full of original and exclusive material: patreon.com/adharanandfinn

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