On today's episode, Shawn Bolz interviews Norm Mulder. Norm is the Founder of TOPUCU, he is a Vietnam Veteran, he successfully owns 91 offices with over 1,200 agents throughout North America.  He travels nationally representing the parent company and is one of 95 recipients awarded to their Wall of Fame. Join the conversation as Shawn and Norm discuss how he created an online program about that helps you change your habits and behaviors to become a better version of yourself, how the Lord gave him the title TOPUCU (The Only Person You Cheat is You), and hear these amazing stories of transformation that have occurred through changing mindsets.