In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Jason—a long-time friend, ultramarathoner, and secular Buddhist—to explore life beyond dogma. We dive deep into questions of meaning, suffering, and personal transformation. Jason shares his journey from childhood trauma, addiction, and depression to healing, self-acceptance, and the liberating philosophy of secular Buddhism.

We tackle the fear of leaving behind rigid belief systems, the reality of self-imposed suffering, and the beauty of finding your own path. Whether you’re deconstructing faith, seeking purpose, or just curious about running 200+ miles through the wilderness, this conversation is for you.

🔹 The illusion of certainty in religion
🔹 What it really means to "find yourself"
🔹 The power of suffering as a teacher
🔹 Ultramarathons as a metaphor for life
🔹 Reframing trauma and choosing a new narrative

If you’ve ever questioned what’s next after faith—or just want to hear an incredible journey of resilience—this episode is a must-listen.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction & Guest Introduction
01:18 – Why People Fear Leaving Religion
03:06 – What If Life Has No Meaning?
05:00 – Creating Meaning vs. Finding It
10:59 – The Role of Suffering in Growth
15:31 – How Religion Becomes a Coping Mechanism
17:30 – Hitting Rock Bottom: Alcoholism & Trauma
22:40 – Running From Pain vs. Facing It
29:09 – The Turning Point: Therapy & Healing
33:56 – How Trauma Affects the Brain
40:17 – The Difference Between Pain & Suffering
41:44 – Living in the Present: The Power of Mindfulness
47:10 – What Therapy is REALLY Like
50:48 – Running 250 Miles—Why Choose to Suffer?
54:55 – The Mental Side of Ultra-Endurance
59:46 – The Freedom of Letting Go
1:04:05 – Choosing Your Own Path & Building Community
1:10:22 – Finding Belonging Outside of Religion
1:12:03 – How to Start Living YOUR Life Today
1:28:18 – Final Thoughts & Takeaways

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