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  • Why Aquinas' Five Ways Fail: Two Ex-Catholics Debunk JesusAndWhatnot's "How The Communist Manifesto Proves God's Existence"

    In this episode of Apostate’s Imprimatur, Colin and I react to Jesusandwhatnot’s video titled "How the Communist Manifesto Proves God's Existence," explanation of Aquinas’s famous Five Ways: the arguments from motion, efficient causality, contingency, degrees of perfection, and final causality.

    We dig into act and potency, infinite regress, first causes, divine simplicity, Aristotle, physics vs. metaphysics, and the assumptions hiding underneath these arguments. Even if we grant some version of a “first cause” or “unmoved mover,” how do we get from there to an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving personal God, much less the God of Christianity?

    Along the way, we ask whether Aquinas’s arguments describe reality, whether confusing someone with technical philosophical language actually proves anything, and why arguments that have been debated for centuries are still sometimes presented as obvious and uncontested proofs of God.

    Noah's original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUOZcbNeKIE

    00:00 Who Is Jesusandwhatnot
    09:33 Aquinas Five Ways Intro
    10:26 Motion Proof Explained
    13:47 Potency and Ontology Debate
    26:10 Causation Chain and Regress
    31:50 Physics Pushback and Forces
    34:03 Nothing Truly Begins
    36:32 From Prime Mover to God
    39:46 Special Pleading and Language
    41:02 Perfection Smuggled In
    52:29 Efficient Cause Argument
    54:23 Physics vs Metaphysics Definitions
    01:01:59 Infinite Regress and Cosmology
    01:06:18 Contingency and Nothingness
    01:08:09 Third Way Rehash
    01:12:58 Logic Above God
    01:16:07 Blendered Proofs Critique
    01:17:22 Degrees of Perfection Setup
    01:20:49 Fire Causes Heat Debunked
    01:23:13 Nominalism and Genus Problems
    01:25:26 Goodness Category Errors
    01:34:00 Begging the Maximum Cause
    01:35:44 Fifth Way Explained
    01:36:59 Teleology Meets Evolution
    01:39:10 Ends Are Human Uses
    01:45:38 Special Pleading Intelligence
    01:49:36 Modern Physics Pushback
    01:54:33 Summa Ethics Detour
    01:57:52 Thomism As Party Trick

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    2 hr 3 min
  • Debunking: "Does Porn Make You Gay?" | What Psychological Studies Actually Shows About @JesusAndWhatnot's Claim

    After seeing Catholic apologist Noah ( @Jesus.andwhatnot )  argue that pornography may cause homosexual desires, I decided to dig into the actual research.

    In this video, I work through more than two dozen academic sources covering sexual orientation, sexual identity formation, pornography use, childhood abuse, correlation vs. causation, sexual fluidity, and sexual orientation change efforts. I also explain some of the basic research concepts that can help us distinguish a provocative correlation from evidence that one thing actually causes another.

    As a gay former traditional Catholic apologist myself, I also want to talk about why these claims matter beyond an academic debate. Ideas about sexual orientation being caused or changed by particular behaviors can quickly overlap with claims underlying conversion therapy and sexual orientation change efforts.

    My sources: https://gayextrad.substack.com/p/debunking-with-actual-studies-does

    Noah's original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXtY2xa9lFQ

    00:00 Does Porn Make You Gay?
    01:17 It's Not a Study
    01:34 Survey Not Study
    01:58 Orientation Is Complex
    03:44 Identity Attraction Behavior
    05:54 Porn Survey Problems
    12:32 Correlation Not Causation
    14:43 How To Test It
    17:17 Puberty And Timing
    18:34 What The Data Show
    21:54 Abuse Claim Reversed
    28:04 Hypothetheory Critique
    29:44 Disordered Language Harm
    31:28 Conversion Therapy Harms
    32:38 Causality And Methods
    35:55 Expert Consensus Matters
    41:12 Motte Bailey

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    45 min
  • No, The Resurrection Is Not A Historical Fact - Part 2 - Responding to Trent Doherty on Pints With Aquinas

    Is the resurrection of Jesus actually a historical fact or does the argument only work if you begin with Christian assumptions?

    In part two of our deep dive into the historical case for the Resurrection, Colin and I examine some of the most popular arguments used by Christian apologists: the claim that the apostles wouldn’t die for a lie, the supposed eyewitness accounts of the risen Jesus, the 500 witnesses mentioned by Paul, the early creed in 1 Corinthians 15, and attempts to use probability and Bayes’ theorem to argue that the Resurrection is historically likely.

    We look at what we actually know about the deaths of the apostles, how the resurrection narratives developed across the Gospels, what Paul does—and doesn’t—claim to have witnessed, and whether early belief in the Resurrection is the same thing as evidence that it actually happened.

    00:00 Recap Minimal Facts
    02:20 Escaping Apologetics Maze
    03:55 Apostles Die for Lie
    11:11 Roman Guards Doubts
    24:10 500 Witnesses Problem
    26:49 Women at the Tomb Motif
    29:08 Doubting Thomas and Belief
    31:32 Memory and Legend Growth
    35:46 Mythic Tropes and Other Gospels
    39:57 Paul and the 500 Witnesses
    50:25 Visions and Bereavement Experiences
    54:48 Skepticism About 500
    56:52 Pauline Creed Timeline
    01:02:37 Memory And Mythmaking
    01:09:44 God Assumption Debate
    01:11:20 Additive Evidence Claim
    01:13:35 What Resurrection Means

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    1 hr 25 min
  • Coming Out Made Me A Stronger Man: Gym Culture, Masculinity, and Entrepreneurship | @SigurdAuthentic

    In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with  @SigurdAuthentic , founder of Gay Unmasked, to hear his coming out story and explore what it actually takes to accept that you're gay.

    https://www.skool.com/gay-unmasked-4697/about

    Sigurd opens up about recognizing his attraction to men as a teenager, falling for his male best friend, wrestling with stereotypes about gay men, and eventually reframing what being gay meant to him. We talk about masculinity, strength, CBT, shame, self-acceptance, dating, coming out to family and friends, and why building a life around purpose became so important after coming out.

    We also dig into the philosophy behind Gay Unmasked, Sigurd's growing community for gay men, and his argument that coming out shouldn't be about asking other people for permission to be yourself.

    00:00 Coming Out Is Ongoing
    02:15 Early Signs and Denial
    04:19 Growing Up Around Masculinity
    11:16 Accepting It at 18
    13:25 Mac and First Real Feelings
    18:16 Reframing Gay Identity
    21:51 CBT and Strength Mindset
    25:44 First Confession to a Friend
    30:01 Coming Out to Dad and Friends
    31:46 Tinder Screenshot Plot Twist
    36:01 Strength as Shield
    36:29 Gym as Emotional Outlet
    38:40 Life Moves On Mindset
    40:39 Unmasking and Alan Watts
    47:06 After Coming Out Purpose
    49:21 Redirecting the Fight
    55:56 Dating Men and Identity
    01:05:44 Community and CBT Coaching
    01:11:33 Success Stories and Farewell

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    1 hr 16 min
  • We Visited the Biggest Catholic Cult in America: The SSPX in St Mary's, Kansas (With Atheist Church Audit @Heliocentric and Mormons @AllThoseInFavor)

    I took an atheist and a Mormon on a road trip to St. Mary’s, Kansas to experience the SSPX firsthand.

    We attended a traditional Latin Mass, toured the massive Immaculata, talked with members of the community, and tried to understand what draws people to this intensely traditional form of Catholicism. Coming from three very different religious backgrounds (ex-traditional Catholic / current atheist, former Pentecostal / current atheist, and practicing Latter-day Saint), we each walked away with very different reactions.

    We talk about the beauty (and boredom) of the Latin Mass, Catholic tradition, relics, hell, Vatican II, the SSPX’s conflict with Rome, how outsiders are treated, and whether this community actually succeeds at its stated mission of saving souls.

    00:00 Heliocentric & All Those In Favor
    01:41 What Is the SSPX
    03:24 Expectations Going In
    05:03 Road Trip to St Marys
    06:43 First Sight of the Church
    08:22 Drone Shots and Suspicious Locals
    10:12 Medieval Dinner and Hotel
    11:34 Mass Morning and Naming the Building
    13:35 Inside the Immaculata First Impressions
    16:48 Silence Sunlight and Getting Shushed
    18:41 Latin Mass Reactions
    22:11 Relics and Ranking Spirituality
    30:27 SSPX Identity and Excommunication Denial
    33:28 Latin Mass Confusion
    34:10 Sermon Advice: Read Books
    39:24 Hellfire Afterlife
    41:21 Communion Rail Awkwardness
    45:59 Tour Guides And Lunch
    52:55 Trad Culture And Politics
    54:27 Human Stories And Mary
    59:17 Seeker Friendly Critique
    01:05:08 Final Takeaways Next Steps

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    1 hr 8 min
  • Is the Resurrection of Jesus a Historical Fact? Atheists Respond to EVERY Resurrection Claim - Part 1 - (Trent Dougherty on Pints With Aquinas Reaction)

    Can history actually establish that Jesus rose from the dead?

    In this episode of Atheist Imprimatur, Colin and I take on one of the central arguments in Christian apologetics: that the Resurrection isn't merely something Christians believe by faith, but something we have good historical reasons to accept as fact.

    We examine the “minimal facts” approach associated with Gary Habermas, claims about the empty tomb, eyewitness testimony, early Christian belief, and the role our assumptions about God and miracles play in evaluating the evidence.

    More importantly, we ask a basic question that often gets lost in apologetics: What can historians actually establish—and where does historical evidence end and faith begin?

    This is Part 1 of our very long attempt to answer that question.

    00:00 Why This Resurrection Video
    07:28 Apologetics as Reassurance
    11:13 Faith Versus Evidence
    13:06 Appeal to Authority Problems
    23:22 God Exists Then Miracles
    27:42 Supernatural Explanations Spiral
    32:23 Is God Really 50/50?
    34:11 Historians and Resurrection Claims
    42:16 Easter Meditation Not Proof
    44:38 Habermas and Minimal Facts
    52:38 Three Es and Empty Tomb
    56:46 Sherlock Holmes Historiography
    01:00:57 Empty Tomb Sources and Context
    01:04:17 Empty Tomb Objections
    01:08:42 Why Not Produce the Body
    01:10:53 Acts and Early Movement
    01:13:35 Roman Religious Tolerance
    01:16:17 Three Explanations Critique
    01:21:35 Tomb Worship Skepticism
    01:25:19 They Wouldnt Die for a Lie

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    1 hr 34 min
  • Left-Wing Influencers Share Why They Left Christianity: @OneHandPolitics @GregFromVideo1

    I sat down with  ⁨@onehandpolitics⁩ and  ⁨@GregFromVideo1⁩   to compare three very different journeys out of Christianity. We talk about growing up Catholic and Evangelical, youth group culture, religious colleges, belonging, political identity, critical thinking, and what life looks like after leaving faith behind. Rather than debating theology, we explore why people believe, why people leave, and what replaces religion once you've built your identity around it. Whether you're religious, deconstructing, or simply curious, I hope this conversation gives you something to think about.

    00:00 Mason's Backstory
    03:36 Greg Youth Group Spiral
    06:46 Cade Catholic Roots
    09:21 College Faith Cracks
    12:58 Scientology and Critical Thinking
    16:23 Mason Deconstruction Breakpoint
    22:54 Politics Meets Religion
    27:18 Biola Rules and Side B
    31:54 Belonging Beyond Religion
    38:19 Calvinism And NPC Thinking
    44:47 Will Religion Keep Declining?
    54:04 Is Atheism A Religion
    58:23 BITE Model Control Tactics
    01:03:28 In Groups Define Out Groups
    01:08:23 Tribalism And Power
    01:10:46 Which Atheists Irritate
    01:27:54 Science Is Not Ethics
    01:34:10 Religion Can Liberate

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    1 hr 38 min
  • How My ADHD Made Me a Religious Extremist: From Joining Catholic Cults to Starting Medication This Year (Responding to Matt Walsh)

    DISCLAIMER: None of today's video should be used as medical advice. I am not a doctor, nor do I have any degrees in psychology/medication/etc. Only take medication under the supervision of a licensed medical provider.

    After being diagnosed with ADHD and spending the past year on medication, I've started looking very differently at my years in traditional Catholicism, my love of religious debates, and even the way I built this YouTube channel. Matt Walsh recently commented that 'psychiatry has done nothing for us,' and I use that clip as a jumping off point in today's video.

    In this video, I explore my hypothesis that ideological conflict can sometimes function as stimulation for an ADHD brain. I talk about how Catholic ritual and structure genuinely helped me manage symptoms I didn't yet understand, why I kept gravitating toward increasingly extreme religious positions, and why confrontation became such a powerful source of stimulation for me.

    I also share, for the first time, my experience taking ADHD medication: the fears I had about medication, masculinity, addiction, and changing my personality—and what actually happened after a year of treatment.

    00:00 - 1: Introduction

    01:54 - Outline

    02:09 - Disclaimers

    03:02 - 2: What Does An ADHD Brain Look Like?

    08:19 - 3: Why ADHD'ers Self-Medicate With Stimuli

    10:29 - 4: My Hypothesis: Extremism As Self Medication

    16:09 - 5: How Catholicism 'Helped' My ADHD

    21:29 - 6: ADHD As An Atheist YouTuber

    22:50 - 7: How I Got on ADHD Medication

    32:24 - 8.1: How Meds Have Changed Me

    34:45 - 8.2: What Meds Mean for My Channel

    36:21 - 9:  Meds Aren't Perfect

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    39 min
  • Catholic Apologist Accidentally Makes The Case for Secular Morality: Reacting to Brian Holdsworth

    In this episode, Colin and I react to Brian Holdsworth's video "I'm Not Strong Enough to Be an Atheist." We unpack his portrayal of atheism through John Lennon and Nietzsche, discuss whether morality really requires God, and examine where we think his arguments miss the mark. Along the way we talk about humanism, socialism, religion, objective morality, Catholic apologetics, and what life after faith actually looks like. If you've ever wondered whether atheism inevitably leads to nihilism—or whether that's a false choice—this conversation is for you.

    00:00 Back for Another Episode
    02:00 Two Kinds of Atheism Setup
    08:36 Commons Dilemma and Human Nature
    10:42 Socialism and Incentives Pushback
    17:55 Nietzsche and Moral Foundations
    21:56 Objective Morality Debate
    27:45 Master Morality and Power
    31:58 Young Men and Nietzsche’s Appeal
    34:32 Christianity vs Power Structures
    38:06 No True Catholicism
    42:34 Atheism Without Heroes
    47:24 ADA and Mutual Benefit
    48:46 Where Is the Thesis
    49:37 Crusades and Contradictions
    50:36 Nietzsche Illness as Gotcha
    54:49 Capitalism and Collective Care

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    1 hr 10 min
  • Atheists, Here's How to Treat Joe Schmid After He Reverted to Catholicism.

    Joe Schmid from  ⁨@MajestyofReason⁩ announced that he has returned to Catholicism. As an agnostic/atheist YouTuber who left catholicism, I’ve been thinking about how people should respond when someone leaves their religious or ideological group.

    In this video, I lay out my “Ten Commandments” for responding to someone whose beliefs have changed. Drawing from my own experience leaving Catholicism and coming out, I talk about listening before arguing, taking people’s stated reasons seriously, respecting their autonomy, avoiding tribal “wins” and “losses,” and remembering that a person is always more important than the culture war surrounding them.

    I’ll have plenty to say about Joe’s arguments for Catholicism in future videos. But before we debate his reasons, I think atheists, Catholics, and everyone else should remember how to treat the person making the decision.

    00:00 Joe Schmid Converts
    01:06 1: Keep the Person First
    02:57 2: Accept Change
    04:43 3: Listen Twice
    06:17 4: Define Words
    07:43 5: Trust Reasons
    09:03 6: Limited Knowledge
    10:33 7:Lead With Empathy
    11:22 8: Respect Autonomy
    12:43 9: Stay Connected
    14:47 10: Process Privately
    16:04 My Next Video

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    18 min

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