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  • Ex-Priest Psychologist: The Hidden Psychology After Coming Out as LGBT

    Coming out is often portrayed as the happy ending—but for many people, it's only the beginning.

    In this conversation with former Catholic priest and licensed therapist Danny Peterson, we explore why so many LGBTQ people who come out later in life feel like they're reliving adolescence as adults. We discuss religious trauma, dating, therapy, identity, relationships, extended adolescence, ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy), and what happens after the excitement of coming out fades into ordinary life.

    We also talk about why relationships don't magically become easy, why many people search for gurus or simple answers after leaving religion, and how learning to tolerate uncertainty can become one of the healthiest parts of healing.

    00:00 From Priest to Therapist
    03:55 Extended Adolescence Explained
    09:52 Healthy Coming Out Skills
    13:13 Values and Red Flags
    18:09 Sex vs Relationship First
    20:59 Finding Mentors and Community
    28:21 The Coming Out Paradox
    33:38 ACT and Moving Forward
    41:30 Facing Hard Truths
    46:42 Ditching Gurus Dogma
    53:40 Therapy Expectations Reality
    57:41 Allyship Religion Safeguards
    01:00:16 Finding A Therapist
    01:04:15 Private Practice Wrap Up

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    1 hr 8 min
  • Why Anti-Gay Catholic Arguments Assume Everyone is Bisexual

    In this episode, Colin and I react to Brian Holdsworth's video asking whether "gay priests" are even a real thing. What starts as a discussion about labels quickly turns into a much bigger conversation about sexual orientation, Catholic theology, history, identity, and how the Church talks about same-sex attraction.

    We unpack the arguments, examine where we think the reasoning breaks down, and discuss why language matters when talking about real people. Along the way we dive into Pope Francis' comments on seminaries, the 2005 Vatican instruction on admitting men with same-sex attraction to the priesthood, ancient Greek sexuality, bisexuality, orientation, and why analogies don't always prove what people think they prove.

    00:00 Pride Month Banter
    01:06 Reacting to Brian Holdsworth
    03:09 Pope Francis Quote Fallout
    05:13 Ancient Rome Was Gay
    08:20 Labels and Orientation Debate
    13:54 Appetites and Identity Claim
    17:49 Catholic Analogy Time
    22:17 Cravings vs Human Love
    25:04 Appetites Make You Gayer
    31:55 Short Term Hookups Critique
    35:46 Dehumanizing the Gay Label
    38:15 Labels and Identity Sprawl
    38:52 Paradox of Tolerance Rant
    39:51 Honorary Gender Studies
    40:38 Dodging the Priest Question
    41:16 Chastity vs Gay Label
    42:29 Church Policy Contradictions
    44:29 Food and Gluttony Analogy
    46:50 Spectrum and Ancient World
    51:31 Frauds and Sacraments
    55:10 Title Not Description Confusion
    57:00 Trad Conspiracy Briefcase
    01:00:02 Sponsor Break Real Estate
    01:01:15 Why Labels Help Research
    01:07:29 Why So Many Gay Priests
    01:10:50 Growing Up Without Language
    01:15:47 Landing the Plane Conclusion

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    1 hr 17 min
  • Hollywood Cinematographer Debunks "Miracle of the Sun" Photo | Our Lady of Fatima (re: Ethan Muse)

    A Catholic priest (Fr Philippe Dalleur) and youtuber (Ethan Muse) have argued that shadows in photographs taken at Fatima in 1917 provide scientific evidence for extraordinary sources of light in the sky. So I spent more than 100 hours investigating the claim, since my entire job revolves around working with cameras and lighting as a cinematographer.

    00:00 - A "Miraculous" Photo?
    01:03 - How the Science Should Work
    02:32 - What Was Our Lady of Fatima?
    03:34 - Series Overview (Skip This)
    05:08 - Lenses Loose a Dimension
    08:56 - Reason #1: Can't Really Calculate a Lost Dimension
    11:27 - How to Actually Calibrate Lenses
    14:14 - Reason #2: Vintage Lenses Make It Even Harder
    16:17 - The Third Dimension
    18:10 - Reason #3: They Didn't Validate Their Methods
    19:13 - Reason #4: Shadows Can't Really Be Measured
    22:13 - Example Optics of Similar Scene
    22:52 - Preview of Part 2: Lies in Development

    This is a three part series. Part 1 (this video) covers why lenses make these calculations almost impossible without calibration. Part 2 will cover their terrible development process and post-production deception. And then Part 3 will recreate the lighting effect they're talking about.

    Source #1: "Fatima Pictures and Testimonials: in-depth Analysis" published on March 8, 2021in Scientia et Fides  (keep in mind, this is not a peer reviewed science journal, they claim it's 'peer reviewed' but the peers are humanities people)
    Source #2: "Fatima's Miracle Photo D115 - Sun Height Estimation" published on Sep 24, 2021 on the YouTube channel "BioPhilo" (I confirmed with Ethan that this is Dalleur's channel)
    Source #3: "Sun Elevation Evaluation Technique + HUD" published on Aug 10, 2022 on the YouTube channel "BioPhilo"
    Source #4: "Our Lady of Fatima" published on Sep 5, 2025 by Ethan Muse on his substack.
    Source #5: "It Wasn't the Sun!" published on Oct 10, 2025 by Ethan Muse on his substack.
    Source #6: "Catholic vs. Atheist: Was Fatima Miraculous?" of Ethan Muse and James Fodor on Jul 18, 2026 on the "Capturing Christianity" YouTube channel hosted by Cameron Burtuzzi

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    25 min
  • Inside the SSPX: Former Member Explains the ENTIRE History and Excommunication of the Society of Saint Pious the X

    The recent SSPX excommunications have left a lot of Catholics—and even journalists—trying to understand what actually happened. In this episode, I sit down with Hunter, a former SSPX traditionalist (and also former sedevacantist seminarian), to unpack the history behind the headlines.

    We explain Vatican II, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the founding of the SSPX, the 1988 episcopal consecrations, the creation of the FSSP, and why Pope Leo XIV's decision is different from previous popes. We also discuss how traditionalist movements understand authority, conscience, and obedience, and why this controversy has been building for decades rather than weeks.

    00:00 SSPX Excommunication News
    00:55 Hunter’s Trad Journey
    03:31 What Happened In July in Econe, Switzerland
    05:34 Nuclear Excommunication Explained
    09:02 Vatican II Basics
    12:06 Lefebvre and SSPX Origins
    16:12 Spirit of Vatican II Debates
    21:33 Key Doctrinal Flashpoints
    27:28 Subsistit In Controversy
    30:28 1974 Declaration and Breakaway
    33:50 1983 Split and Sedevacantists
    36:04 Obedience Paradox and Fallout
    36:57 Bad Commands vs Doctrine
    37:42 Sedevacantists Inside SSPX
    41:15 1988 Bishops and Split
    44:17 Valid vs Licit Sacraments
    46:51 Obedience Paradox and Conscience
    57:54 July Consecrations Fallout
    01:03:24 Will SSPX Radicalize
    01:07:09 Future of Trad Groups
    01:09:49 Wrap Up and Thanks

    To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad

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    1 hr 12 min
  • Why Do Catholic Influencers Excuse Right-Wing Catholics and Condemn Left-Wing Catholics?

    In this episode of Apostate Imprimatur, Colin and I react to Brian Holdsworth's video asking how to tell a "real" Catholic from a "fake" Catholic. What starts as a discussion about Catholic identity quickly turns into debates about language, gender, authority, and whether Catholic apologetics consistently apply their own standards.

    We discuss why so much Catholic YouTube feels like insider baseball, examine Brian's analogies about chairs, cars, and police officers, and argue that many conservative critiques of gender misunderstand what gender scholars are actually saying. Along the way, we talk about Catholic definitions, language change, trans identities, Church authority, and why some apologetic arguments seem persuasive only if you've never encountered the opposing viewpoint.

    00:00 Episode Two Kickoff
    01:20 Trad Cath Vibes and Profanity
    02:33 Series Format and Feedback
    05:12 Cue the Candace Owens Video
    05:58 Catholic YouTube Insider Baseball
    08:57 Cookie Break and Hot Takes
    12:04 Who Counts as Catholic
    13:21 Gender Detour What Is a Woman
    23:33 Police Officer Analogy
    30:00 Definitions Language and Power
    34:18 Matter Form and Sacraments
    38:11 Chair Example and Cake Chairs
    38:58 What Counts as a Chair
    39:19 Context Makes Words Work
    40:19 Chairs and Trans Analogies
    41:33 Form Matter and Sacraments
    41:57 Car Parts and Functionality
    44:35 Personhood Corpses and Souls
    47:04 Uncanny Feelings Explained
    49:42 Internal Bonds vs External Bonds
    52:24 Defining Catholic Membership
    57:06 Fake Catholic vs Not Catholic
    01:03:56 SSPX and Legitimate Authority
    01:10:29 Gender Debate and Word Games
    01:17:10 Wrap Up and Next Video

    To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad

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    1 hr 19 min
  • Why Conservative Christian Should Oppose Conversion Therapy - Pieter Valk (LPC)

    What if the conversation around Christianity and LGBT people is far more complicated than either side admits?

    In this episode, I sit down with therapist, author, and speaker Peter Valk (LPC) to explore one of the most difficult conversations happening in the Church today. We discuss conversion therapy, Side B Christianity, historic Christian sexual ethics, language surrounding sexuality and gender, why many churches struggle to talk about these topics well, and how pastors, parents, and Christians can approach these conversations with greater compassion and honesty.


    Whether you agree with Peter's conclusions or not, this conversation is about understanding the complexity behind the headlines and moving beyond culture-war talking points toward thoughtful dialogue.

    00:00 Meet Peter Valk
    03:49 Why This Should Matter for Both Sides
    11:35 Labels and Language
    14:56 Gender Terms Explained
    17:40 Identity Label Debate
    20:30 Pastors and Discomfort
    23:08 Sacred Cows
    25:57 Listening Without Fear
    29:55 Coming Out Well
    33:36 Respectful Questions
    35:43 Resources to Learn
    37:42 Practical Church Steps
    42:14 Clear Welcome Messages
    47:35 Conversion Therapy Warning
    54:45 Long Term Support
    58:01 Wrap Up and Where to Find

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    1 hr
  • Why Online Catholics Are Fighting About Pre-Marital Kissing: Online Extremism and Toxic Saint Quotes

    In this episode, Colin, Kevin NonTradiCath, and I react to Christian Wagner and Noah/Jesus and Whatnots' argument that kissing before marriage is sinful and compare it with the historical sources he cites. Along the way, we explore the writings of St. Alphonsus Liguori, medieval and early modern Catholic sexual ethics, Christopher West, Theology of the Body, and whether Catholics can really claim that the Church has always taught one consistent moral framework.

    We also discuss how debates like this reveal a deeper issue: if Catholics still have to decide which saints, theologians, and authorities to follow, is Catholicism really as different from Protestantism as many apologists claim?

    00:00 Podcast Intro and Chaos
    00:59 Meet Kevin and the Premise
    01:53 Can You Kiss Your Girlfriend
    04:14 Why This Debate Matters
    06:34 Who Is Christian Wagner
    11:36 Watching the No Kissing Video
    12:28 Laxity and Catholic Authority
    16:14 Near Occasion of Sin Stories
    20:57 Alphonsus Quotes and Sex Panic
    23:53 Skipping Ahead to the Argument
    26:20 Repression and Catholic Guilt
    28:33 Kevin Pulls the Alphonsus Book
    31:00 Who Was Alphonsus Liguori
    32:13 Liguori Moral Doctor
    34:03 Doctors You Cant Disagree
    36:37 Modesty Of The Eyes
    37:49 Dont Look At Women
    47:54 Mortal Sin By Looking at Kids
    50:03 Repression And Obsession
    52:42 Modesty In Speech
    55:16 Laughter Under Scrutiny
    01:01:44 Fasting And Health Claims
    01:04:35 Holy Lettuce Possession
    01:06:59 Liguori And Extremes
    01:07:57 Rules Over Harm
    01:08:41 Drowning Rescue Caveats
    01:11:37 Magisterial Minimalism
    01:14:02 Three Tier Authority Critique
    01:19:58 Fallible Framework Problem
    01:20:27 No Infallible List
    01:25:19 Back To Kissing Debate
    01:26:53 Jimmy Akin Weigh Teachings
    01:30:46 Protestantism With Extra Steps
    01:34:04 Real World Harm
    01:39:53 Final Takeaways And Goodbye

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    1 hr 41 min
  • Ex-Pastor Reacts to Famous Christian Pastor's Toxic Relationship Advice w/ Brian Recker

    Christian marriage advice often sounds inspiring, but what happens when it encourages people to ignore compatibility, personal calling, financial realities, or even their own well-being?

    In this episode, I sit down with former evangelical pastor  ⁨@BrianRecker⁩   to examine one of the biggest Christian relationship influencers online and unpack the messages behind his viral marriage advice. We talk about purity culture, patriarchy, complementarianism, having large families, fear-based theology, and how these ideas shape dating, marriage, and parenting in both evangelical and conservative Catholic circles.

    We also discuss why so much Christian relationship advice focuses on roles instead of people, how hell and religious fear influence life decisions, and what healthier, more equal relationships can look like after deconstruction.

    Read Brian's new book 'Hell Bent' - https://a.co/d/0ad4Sd2D
    Brian's substack: https://brianrecker.substack.com

    00:00 Brian’s Evangelical Background
    02:51 Fear of Hell and Assurance
    05:23 Purity Culture and Sexual Shame
    07:03 Who Is Ryan Miller
    09:25 Love at First Sight Claims
    11:57 Wife and Mom as Calling
    17:07 Parenting Overwhelm and Pressure
    22:48 Spiritual Bypassing and Big Families
    30:01 Have More Kids Than You Can Afford
    37:07 Comments Reveal the Harm
    43:42 Hell as a Control Mechanism
    47:05 A Healthier Christian Vision
    48:33 Relearning Relationships Resources
    52:33 Where to Follow Brian
    54:03 Final Thanks and Wrap Up

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    55 min
  • How to Find a Spiritual Home During Deconstruction with @GospelSimplicity

    For years I assumed the choice was simple: Catholicism or Protestantism. But the deeper I looked, the more I realized there is an entire world of high church Christianity that most people never hear about.

    In this conversation, I'm joined by Austin from  @GospelSimplicity   to explore Anglicanism, Episcopalianism, Lutheranism, Orthodoxy, liturgy, tradition, deconstruction, and what options exist for people who are reevaluating Catholicism but still want to take Christianity seriously.

    We discuss why young Christians are rediscovering tradition, the appeal of high church worship, the differences between Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, and Lutheran churches, and practical advice for anyone trying to find a spiritual home after deconstruction.

    00:00 Austin’s Faith Journey
    02:50 Why Episcopalian And Not Catholic
    06:27 Discovering Protestant Breadth
    10:42 Protestant Label Explained
    13:46 Why Gen Z Loves Tradition
    19:31 High Church Protestant Map
    28:00 Are Teachings Simpler
    31:21 Anglican Openness to Doctrine
    32:24 Brittle Faith and Flexibility
    33:39 Episcopal vs Anglican Explained
    35:53 Anglican Labels in America
    38:40 Why People Convert to Orthodoxy
    41:55 Orthodox Diversity and Trends
    44:04 Advice for Deconstructing Catholics
    49:20 Finding a Church Without Paralysis
    54:03 Praying While Spiritually Homeless

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    1 hr 2 min
  • Why I No Longer Call Myself An Atheist

    When I was a traditional Catholic, I was taught exactly what atheism was supposed to be: lonely, meaningless, directionless, and ultimately incapable of providing a fulfilling life. Then I became an atheist myself.

    In this episode, I reflect on my journey from devout Catholicism to atheism and explain why I don't actually think atheism is a worldview at all. I talk about losing my faith, losing my community, searching for meaning, running ultramarathons, and eventually discovering that atheism wasn't a replacement for religion.

    00:00 - Backstory
    01:16 - What Catholicism Taught Me About Atheism
    03:00 - I Never Wanted to Experience Atheism
    05:33 - Atheism Was As Bad as I Was Told
    07:03 - What An Alcoholic Ultramarathoner Taught Me
    09:42 - Atheism is Nothing, Because It's Everything
    11:26 - Atheism is Options - Not a Plan
    12:46 - Atheism Gave Me Everything I Love
    15:37 - The Irony of Ultramarathon Finish Lines

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    18 min

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