In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, Evelyn from  @leavelaughlove   joins me to tackle one of the hardest questions we get asked: how do you talk to loved ones who are falling into fundamentalist Catholicism?

We unpack:

Why people get drawn into high-control religious groups
How to maintain healthy boundaries without burning bridges
Why “debating” rarely changes minds
Compassionate approaches that keep relationships intact
When it’s okay to let go
Whether it’s your child, spouse, parent, or friend, this conversation offers realistic and empathetic strategies for navigating these difficult dynamics.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:23 Today's Topic: Relating to Fundamentalist Catholics
01:06 Personal Experiences with Fundamentalism
01:49 Understanding the Rabbit Hole
02:57 Starting the Conversation
06:07 The Importance of Boundaries
09:49 Maintaining Relationships with Compassion
13:08 Navigating Conversations and Debates
21:22 The Role of Community in Fundamentalism
23:55 Setting Clear Boundaries
31:17 Respecting Individual Journeys
37:45 Navigating Conflicting Emotions
38:48 Maintaining Relationships Despite Differences
40:26 Understanding High-Control Religious Beliefs
44:22 Advice for Parents of Religious Teens
56:43 The Deconstruction Process
01:04:32 Setting Boundaries and Finding Supportive Relationships
01:13:13 Final Thoughts and Viewer Engagement

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In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Isabelle, who grew up immersed in traditional Catholicism—daily rosaries, novenas, and all. Over time, she shifted toward progressive Catholicism before beginning a slow and painful unraveling of belief. We talk about mental health, OCD masked as virtue, the reality of Catholic marriage and NFP, gender and sexuality, and the psychological manipulation baked into so many teachings. Isabelle shares how motherhood, philosophy, and her relationship with her non-Catholic husband helped her reclaim agency and begin truly living. It’s raw, real, and deeply moving.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Background
00:21 Early Catholic Upbringing
01:08 Struggles with Faith and Mental Health
01:57 Deconstruction Journey Begins
04:42 Neurodivergence and Religion
13:18 College Years and Evolving Beliefs
19:11 Marriage and Catholic Rules
25:16 Challenges with Natural Family Planning
32:32 Realizing the Harm of Church Teachings
33:59 Questioning God's Behavior
35:12 Struggles with Church Teachings on Parenting
36:32 Self-Doubt and Leaving the Church
43:58 The Impact of NFP and Personal Choices
45:45 The Tipping Point: Intersex Identities
48:46 Final Steps Away from the Church
49:42 Life After Leaving the Church
52:21 Reflections and Final Thoughts

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In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I'm joined by Greg and Oliver—two seasoned left-wing voices who’ve appeared on Jubilee, the Whatever podcast, and in brutal six-hour debates with professional sexists, racists, and homophobes. Together, we unpack the ethics of debate, how to survive the emotional toll, what it’s like to be in the room with Jordan Peterson or Michael Knowles, and why the left can’t afford to stay silent anymore. Whether you're thinking of joining a debate or just curious how to counter the right-wing media machine, this is your crash course in becoming a better debater—without losing your mind, your values, or your sense of humor.

Oliver's Youtube:  @oliverniehaus
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00:00 Introduction to the Podcast
00:10 Meet the Guests: Greg and Oliver
00:26 Debate Experiences and Reflections
01:20 The Role of Online Political Debates
04:57 Challenges and Criticisms of Debating
10:17 Strategies for Effective Debating
12:49 The Impact of Debates on Public Perception
35:49 Encouraging More Left-Wing Debaters
36:16 Advice for Aspiring Debaters
38:28 Setting the Stage: Debate Preparation Insights
38:54 Handling Misinformation in Debates
40:59 The Importance of Honest Feedback
41:44 Extensive Preparation Techniques
42:40 Staying Disciplined During Debates
43:17 Avoiding Gotcha Moments
45:41 Using Personal Experience Effectively
51:40 Managing Emotions in Debates
01:09:31 Building a Debate Network
01:20:09 Handling Hate Comments
01:21:26 The Power of Blocking on YouTube
01:24:09 The Reality of Viral Fame
01:26:44 Debate Strategies and Real-World Impact
01:33:17 Security and Privacy Concerns
01:36:32 The Fun and Challenges of Debating
01:40:29 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up
01:50:34 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

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I sat down with Darian, a gay creator who once wanted to be a Catholic priest and now runs an OnlyFans—while still attending Mass. We talked about scrupulosity, being queer in the church, spirituality beyond dogma, and the surprising peace he found in ritual. Darian's story is messy, funny, thoughtful, and deeply honest—and it challenges what it means to be both gay and Catholic in a polarized world.

You can follow Darian on instagram and tikTok - https://www.instagram.com/darianblackofficial/

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:17 Darien's Background and Journey
01:45 Growing Up Catholic in the South
04:42 Struggles with Catholic Teachings on Sexuality
06:35 Coming Out and Family Reactions
22:09 Exploring Religion and Spirituality
25:27 Starting Social Media and OnlyFans
26:21 Finding Peace in Daily Mass
27:30 Transition to Social Media Success
29:51 Balancing Faith and Career
30:54 Views on Church Teachings and Sexuality
32:59 Community and Acceptance
37:56 Catholic Converts and Personality Types
45:30 Advice for Young LGBTQ+ Catholics
51:37 Final Thoughts and Where to Connect

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Jared from Heliocentric joins me to talk about his experience attending a Latin Mass for the first time and what it reveals about the explosive growth of Rad Trad Catholicism online. We dive into the aesthetics, the online media machine, the psychology of conversion, and how social media fuels religious radicalization. We also reflect on sexuality, the pain of being gay in the Church, and our shared experiences with Jordan Peterson. This one goes deep.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:23 Humorous Banter and Bible References
01:06 Jared's YouTube Channel and Background
02:37 Discussion on Traditional Catholicism
03:25 Rad Trad Influencers and Online Presence
05:02 Experiences with Latin Mass and Orthodox Church
23:07 Jared's Personal Journey and Challenges
33:03 Theological Reflections on Homosexuality
41:15 Struggles of Celibate Gay Christians
43:45 Navigating Catholic Teachings on Homosexuality
46:19 Conversion Therapy and Childhood Trauma
47:33 The Hierarchy of Catholic Vocations
49:35 The Reality of Online Religious Discourse
53:32 Emotional Honesty in Religious Conversations
54:28 The Role of Therapy in Leaving Religion
57:46 Personal Experiences with Faith and Atheism
01:02:47 Debating Religion Online vs. In Person
01:16:50 Behind the Scenes of Jubilee Debates
01:22:05 The Intensity of Live Debates
01:23:00 Reflecting on the Peterson Debate
01:24:38 The Hero's Journey in Jubilee Format
01:25:41 Peterson's Performance and Public Perception
01:29:10 The Evolution of Jordan Peterson's Ideology
01:33:01 Personal Impact and Critique of Peterson
01:44:12 Debating Religion and Atheism
01:48:27 The Role of Conversations in Deconstruction
02:00:00 The Influence of Online Debates
02:02:43 Navigating Hyper-Niche Content
02:03:14 Engaging with Online Audiences
02:04:12 The Reality of Internet Fame
02:05:07 The Fear of Being Misunderstood
02:06:06 Balancing Authenticity and Reach
02:14:38 The Ethics of Church Audits
02:16:25 Conversations on Faith and Belief
02:17:54 The Complexity of Deconversion
02:22:28 Debating Religion and Epistemology
02:30:06 Reflecting on Personal Narratives
02:34:44 Closing Thoughts and Future Plans

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In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I’m joined again by Noah from Jesus and Whatnot for part two of our deep-dive into what the Bible says—or doesn’t say—about homosexuality. As a gay atheist and former almost-priest, I argue that the biblical texts don’t clearly address modern queer relationships. Noah, now a confirmed Catholic, brings the counterpoint: that Scripture plainly condemns all homosexual intercourse. We cover Leviticus, Romans, Paul’s invented Greek words, death penalty laws, and whether the Bible is as clear as people say it is—or whether everyone’s just projecting their own beliefs onto it.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:33 The Origin of the Debate
01:02 Noah's Stance on Biblical Condemnation
03:55 Leviticus and Homosexuality
18:46 New Testament Perspectives
18:59 Romans 1:26-27 Analysis
31:11 Historical Context and Modern Interpretations
40:56 Debating Biblical Interpretation of Homosexuality
41:38 Contextual Analysis of St. Paul's Writings
42:19 Modern vs. Historical Views on Homosexuality
44:04 The Role of Historical Context in Biblical Interpretation
46:04 Analogies and Their Limitations
48:35 Revisiting Biblical Texts and Modern Understandings
55:17 The Debate on Capital Punishment and Biblical Teachings
59:06 The Case for Progressive Interpretation
01:14:10 Final Thoughts and Conclusions

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I got to sit down with  @bradyvandruenen55 , a former Catholic school student and hockey player from small-town Canada, to hear his powerful story of growing up gay in a conservative Catholic environment. We dive into Catholic sex ed, hockey locker room culture, the mental gymnastics of trying to be someone you're not, and what it was like to finally break free and come out. This one’s for anyone who’s ever felt trapped by faith, family, or fear.

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Youtube:  @bradyvandruenen55  
TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bradyvandruenen
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/bradyvandruenen/

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:14 Brady's TikTok Journey
03:12 Growing Up Catholic
05:22 Sex Education and Early Conflicts
08:48 Struggles with Identity
18:25 Coming Out and Self-Acceptance
24:07 The Journey of Self-Acceptance
24:30 Coming Out to Friends and Colleagues
26:15 Family Reactions and Challenges
31:21 Navigating High School and Religion
32:08 Experiences in Hockey Culture
38:02 Life After Coming Out
38:17 Advocacy and Future Goals
46:05 Final Thoughts and Advice

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This is the ultimate guide to coming out—philosophically, practically, and personally. Whether you’re just starting to question your identity, preparing for your first conversation, or figuring out how to rebuild your life after coming out, this video is for you.

As someone who almost became a Catholic priest and now helps coach others through the coming out process, I’ve condensed everything I know—from identity labels to safety planning, to navigating family, faith, and fear—into this one video. You’ll find conversation scripts, tips, community, and real-life encouragement.

Your life doesn’t start when you have all the answers. It starts the moment you get to breathe.

00:00 Intro
02:15 Understanding the Coming Out Process
11:58 The Importance of Labels and Identity
14:18 Planning and Safety Considerations
16:49 Building a Coming Out Plan
20:21 Navigating Conversations and Reactions
26:11 The Reality of Life After Coming Out
28:50 Cade's Personal Coming Out Letter
32:46 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

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In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, Cade chats with Evelyn from Leave Laugh Love about the hidden world of Newman Guide colleges — those elite, ultra-conservative Catholic universities designed to "protect" young adults from the real world. Evelyn shares her experience attending Franciscan University, the cult-like enforcement of Catholic morality, the double lives queer students are forced to live, and the gaslighting that comes with leaving. We dive into everything from purity culture to fake academic rigor, campus surveillance, and why these colleges are obsessed with Jordan Peterson and Lila Rose. If you’re wondering whether these schools are holy havens or Catholic cults — this episode is for you.

00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction
01:08 Criteria for Newman Guide Schools
03:05 Personal Experiences at Newman Guide Schools
06:23 Life at Franciscan University
21:25 Homeschooling and Academic Challenges
24:29 Critical Thinking and Education
36:47 Student Life and Social Dynamics
42:16 The Role of Religion in Student Life
45:20 Debating Sin and Personal Relationships
49:16 Questioning Research and Studies
01:09:45 Leaving the Catholic University
01:21:21 Final Thoughts and Advice

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I’m joined by Kevin for a deep dive into one of Catholicism’s most emotionally compelling and scientifically dubious claims: Eucharistic miracles. You’ve heard the stories—bread turning into heart tissue, bleeding hosts, and baffled scientists—but how well do these claims hold up to scrutiny?

Kevin walks us through the actual studies (or lack thereof), the role of contamination, misleading narratives, and the difference between scientific integrity and religious marketing. We talk Lonciano, Buenos Aires, and Tlaxcala, plus the Catholic scientists themselves who have started to speak out.

If you’ve ever felt guilt-tripped into staying Catholic because of these miracles—or you just want to understand the facts—this episode is for you.

00:00 Introduction to Eucharistic Miracles
00:34 Popular Eucharistic Miracle Claims
02:18 Scientific Investigations and Findings
04:16 Catholic Beliefs and Practices
07:57 Skepticism and Scientific Critique
20:39 Blood Type Analysis in Miracles
37:43 DNA Evidence and Its Implications
38:55 DNA Findings and Supernatural Claims
40:13 Scientific Skepticism and Contamination
45:40 Dr. Kiers' Experiment and Findings
48:05 Dr. Trian Cos' Skepticism
55:00 Economic and Social Implications of Miracles
58:55 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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