Hello, and welcome back to Cash Flow Conversations, a miniseries sponsored by our friends at Nova Credit.

If you’ve followed my work, you’ll know that I’m obsessed with cash flow data (and underwriting more specifically) because it has enormous potential to positively reshape consumer lending in the U.S. 

Cash Flow Conversations tracks that shift, from theory to practical use across the lending lifecycle.

In Episode 5, recorded live at Money20/20, I sit down with Doug Swift (Navy Federal Credit Union) and Chris Hansen (Nova Credit) to talk about how cash flow underwriting has evolved over the past 18–24 months.

Cash flow data has gone from lenders’ best-kept secret to an infrastructure-supported tool with real traction. The vintages have matured; the use cases have expanded (second look underwriting, line assignment, portfolio management, delinquency support, loan rewrites, extensions, settlements, and credit line changes, to name a few). 

And Doug brings it to life with examples from Navy Federal’s collections workflows, which you won’t want to miss. 

Hope you enjoy the conversation as much as I enjoyed facilitating it! 

This episode is brought to you by Nova Credit. 

Nova Credit is a credit infrastructure and analytics company that enables businesses to grow responsibly by harnessing consumer credit data. Learn more at novacredit.com.

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Welcome back to Not Fintech Investment Advice, where Simon Taylor and I do what we do best: talk about fintech startups we’re absolutely not giving investment advice on.

First up is stablecoin banking startup Kontigo, whose founder declared: “Kontigo is not a bank. Banking services are provided by the freaking blockchain.” We unpack the very fast arc that followed: getting deplatformed through its partner stack, the Venezuela and sanctions questions that can come with being “global by default,” and then the hack (Kontigo promised to reimburse affected users).

Next up is Givefront, corporate card and spend management software built for nonprofits. We get specific about what “built for nonprofits” means in practice: IRS 990 reporting, grant restrictions, donor policies, and the go-to-market riddle of reaching over 1.5 million organizations that rarely rip and replace systems. 

Then there’s Beycome, which promises an AI-assisted home buying journey. They charge sellers a flat fee to list their home and close (including a $399 package, marketed as saving sellers an average of $13,185 in fees). We talk about why real estate fees are such a durable profit pool, and why distribution’s the hardest part of this business.

Finally, we close with Cash App. Okay, not quite a startup at the same level, but there’s been a real vibe shift – as evidenced by a slew of new feature releases and capabilities inside Cash App (which we run through!). 

Plus,closing manifestations (manifesting some good outcomes for Cash App, and more episodes of Not Fintech Investment Advice for 2026).

This episode is brought to you by Plaid. 

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Welcome back to Fintech Takes. I’m Alex Johnson, joined (as always) by my partner in Fintech Recapping, Jason Mikula. In our first episode of the new year, we recap all of 2025 — through the big themes that shaped the industry and set the stage for 2026 (you’ll want to catch our predictions at the end).

First up, Regulation in the Upside Down. We dig into Trump’s second-term reshuffle which replaced independence with centralization. Tailoring became code for deregulation, and regulators started talking less about consumer protection and more about “making community banks great again” (their shorthand for rolling back rules under the guise of helping small banks).

Next up, stablecoins. With the GENIUS Act signed into law, 2025 was their breakout year. PayPal, Klarna, SoFi, and even Wyoming launched coins. We dig into whether yield-bearing stablecoins will reshape deposit markets or just become the modern equivalent of the free toaster you used to get for opening an account.

Then, it’s the latest in the open banking saga. And then, it’s looking at gambling as our national culture. (Prediction markets like Kalshi and Polymarket became sports betting apps in all but name, monetizing financial nihilism with bets on divorces, political violence, even war.)

Finally, the IPO window reopened. Klarna, Chime, Circle, eToro, Figure, and Wealthfront all went public. (And we both agree that staying private isn’t always a sign of strength, but some structure is better than none.)

We wrap with 2026 predictions (tune in to find out!), and in Can’t Let It Go, we offer up a crypto neobank that launched with a WWE-style promo, plus eerily targeted sports betting ads on YouTube…

This episode is brought to you by Plaid. 

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Welcome back to the Fintech Takes podcast. Today’s episode kicks off a new long-form interview format I’m calling Diving Deep.

And in this episode, that’s exactly what we do with Max Levchin, co-founder and former CTO of PayPal and co-founder and the current CEO of Affirm.

This is what makes Max one of the most influential people in the history of fintech.

We start with Max’s early PayPal years, when building encrypted mobile wallets and secure handheld payments for Palm Pilots taught Max a lesson about timing, distribution, and the danger of solving puzzles before the market needs them (being right about the future means very little if you’re early in the wrong way).

From there, the conversation follows the spine of Affirm’s business, underwriting. Max explores how his experience at PayPal pushed him toward lending at the point of sale, which unlocked a different kind of math (and how Affirm built an internal engine that could evolve as machine learning grew smarter, without losing reliability, repeatability, or regulatory discipline).

That logic runs straight into product design. No late fees, treated as a constraint, not a revenue stream. Full Truth in Lending disclosures shown at checkout every time, even when advisers warned the extra screen would kill conversion. Credit bureau reporting when most other BNPL players avoided it. The throughline is incentives: design the system so the lender only wins when the customer does, and culture has a fighting chance to scale.

We end in the future, with agentic commerce. As machines get better at optimizing decisions, the financial products that survive will be the ones that were honest to begin with (but also what happens when software starts flagging bad financial deals before people do?). 

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Welcome back to the Fintech Takes podcast. I’m Alex Johnson, joined by Kiah Haslett, Jason Mikula, and Jason Henrichs. Four people. Two Jasons. It’s been a while!

Our group text has been arguing about the same thing for years, so we finally took it to the mic: is Die Hard a Christmas movie? 

The plan is simple. We spend an hour talking about Die Hard and pull it apart using ten questions I randomly came up with.

We start with how each of us came to the movie. VHS scarcity. Delayed first viewings. Pausing the movie mid-stream to Google financial instruments. From there, we get into Bruce Willis, the accidental invention of the everyman action hero, and why this movie doesn’t work with Stallone, Schwarzenegger, or a 70-year-old Frank Sinatra crawling through air vents.

Then we talk about villains, specifically, Hans Gruber. Along the way, we touch upon the FBI’s truly heroic ability to make everything worse, and just how many people in this movie are objectively bad at their jobs.

At the center of it all is the plot device that sends us down the deepest rabbit hole: bearer bonds. Kiah walks us through what they were, why they existed, when they disappeared, and why it’s not totally impossible that some are still out there. Yes, it’s more educational than anyone intended.

We wrap with favorite quotes, questions about workplace behavior in the 1980s, and the annual argument about what qualifies as a Christmas movie and who is allowed to die in one.

It’s unserious. It’s overthought. It’s our most festive episode yet.

Thanks for listening! 

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Welcome back to Not Fintech Investment Advice, where Simon Taylor and I do what we do best: talk about fintech startups we’re absolutely not giving investment advice on.

First up is Trudenty, a fraud intelligence network tackling first-party fraud. It uses federated learning to let issuers, PSPs, and merchants identify repeat abusers without sharing raw data. They’re starting with Worldline, JPMorgan Chase, and Mastercard, and keeping the pitch simple: they only sell one thing, and that one thing works. The stat that stuck with us? 80% of chargebacks are fraudulent.

Next is TidalWave, agentic AI for mortgage point-of-sale. Instead of replacing loan officers, it works like a 24/7 assistant (one that handles follow-ups, corrects docs, and chases data). They’ve raised $22M, with the largest homebuilder in the U.S. on the cap table. It’s mortgage tech that avoids the loan origination system entirely, steering clear of regulated decisions while cleaning up the messy front-end workflow that still kills conversion. 

Then there’s Kaaj, which is aimed at the part of small business lending that no software platform has ever fully cracked. Think about a business applying for a government-guaranteed loan or financing a new piece of equipment; lenders have to parse tax returns, bank statements, and identity documents that never look the same twice. The loans are too small for a credit team, but too complex for automation. Kaaj trains AI agents to read those documents and create the first draft of a credit memo that a human can review. The product solves a real problem, but the question is: can they win the category?

Finally, FinReach Solutions in India tackles the gap between micro and small business credit. Lenders have money. Credit guarantors are willing to share risk. What’s missing is the infrastructure between them. Every guarantee program runs on bespoke rules and manual forms. FinReach standardizes that process, automates the guarantees, and makes collateral-free lending possible at scale. Think of the US SBA, but rebuilt as actual software instead of paperwork.

Plus, some closing manifestations: AI for mortgage POS should fix the front-end friction that causes borrowers to drop out; SMB lending needs an actual platform between public money and private lenders; and rising chargebacks might say less about fraud and more about good customers who are tired of being treated like suspects.

Thanks for listening! 

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Welcome back to the Fintech Takes podcast. I’m Alex Johnson, joined by Dave Wasik (Partner at 2nd Order Solutions) for our new series, Facing Credit, where we unpack what’s happening in lending right now.

First, we kick off with the big picture in December 2025, starting with delinquency rates. TL;DR: Things don’t appear to be improving, and if you squint, they may be eroding.

Next, credit cards and BNPL. Dave explains why cards hold up, thanks to their clear value prop, rewards stickiness, and issuer concentration (the top 10 issuers control 82% of cards). Minimum payments are flexible and low, helping riders through cash-flow crunches. On the other hand, BNPL has shifted from big ticket items to everyday spending like groceries and restaurants (we discuss why the shift raises concerns, especially with limited bureau reporting).

Finally, auto, student loans, and the thing at the top of Dave’s worry board: private credit. It’s enormous, growing rapidly, and hard to manage (there’s no data to either corroborate or refute the risks; leverage plus interconnected bets can turn a small shock into a cascade).

Plus, we’ll close each Facing Credit episode with our guest’s take on one trend shaping the industry. This time: what does the breakdown of FICO as the standard mean for credit scoring and underwriting?

Tune in for Dave’s take!

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Welcome back to Fintech Takes. I’m Alex Johnson, joined (as always) by my Jason Mikula, my partner in recapping — who I’ve been lucky to see a lot of lately, which makes recording this over the internet feel oddly impersonal?

First up, open banking updates. JPMC has updated data-access contracts with Plaid, Yodlee, Morningstar, and Akoya; covering, reportedly, 95% of data pulls on its systems (but is silent on players like Finicity, Stripe, Trustly, and MX). Meanwhile, the CFPB wants to finalize its 1033 rule by year’s end, possibly skipping key steps like the small business panel. The rule may allow data fees tied to “cost recovery,” but what counts as cost (and who has the leverage to charge it) is still very much in play.

Then it’s onto digital IDs. Apple now lets users create an identity credential in Wallet from a passport, using NFC and a liveness check. Jason tested it. It works, but usage is limited to select TSA checkpoints. And adoption faces the same slow climb as Apple Pay, but with higher risks if it fails. Identity credentials aren’t like payments: you don’t want them glitching at airport security!

From there, Green Dot (which some might describe as an OG fintech company) is going private and splitting up. Smith Ventures is buying the non-bank side, while CommerceOne (also backed by Smith) takes over the bank and folds it into a new holding company. It’s a move that looks like extraction (pulling the combo out of public markets that never knew how to value it), which raises questions for other banks trying to thread the same needle.

Plus, in our Can’t Let It Go corner: Jason dives into the latest lawsuit against Meta, where internal docs reveal the company blocked safety features that threatened growth, ran a 17-strike policy before removing sex traffickers (described as a very, very, very high threshold), and drew its own comparisons to Big Tobacco. And I flag a podcast moment so surreal it sounds fake: the CEO of Roblox endorsing prediction markets for kids (as long as they’re framed as “educational”).

Thanks for listening! 

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Welcome back to our Engineering the SMB Capital Stack, sponsored by our friends at Fundbox.

In this four-part series, we’re exploring small businesses, small business lending, and the forces shaping how small businesses access capital. I’m joined by Prashant Fuloria, CEO of Fundbox, as cohost.

In Episode 4 (our finale!), we turn to the role of banks (and how they fit into an increasingly unbundled lending ecosystem), and what collaboration between banks and fintechs really looks like in 2025.

To unpack it all, we’re joined by Jackie Reses, CEO of Lead Bank (and former Head of Square Capital, a pioneer in embedded capital for SMBs, particularly for B2C SMBs).

Highlights include:

How Square Capital redefined micro-lending, serving millions of U.S. businesses under traditional bank thresholds

Why embedding loans in software (not branches) rewrote the risk model for SMB credit

The rise of unbundled lending: fintechs, balance-sheet partners, and the capital markets “maturity curve”

How banks like Lead are re-bundling infrastructure to power fintech lending safely and at scale

The regulatory horizon (from agentic commerce to stablecoins and the next wave of small-business oversight)

From unserved salon owners to national infrastructure shifts, Jackie reminds us why access to capital is still deeply human, and why technology wins when it’s built with empathy for the entrepreneur.

If you want to understand where banks truly fit in the future of SMB lending, this finale is essential listening.

This episode was brought to you by Fundbox. 

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Welcome back to the Fintech Takes podcast. I’m Alex Johnson, joined by Carlos Caro (author of the Free Toaster newsletter and host of the Free Toaster podcast) for the second episode of Facing Credit, where we unpack what’s really happening in lending right now.

This one’s about marketing; the overlooked starting point of every loan. 

Everything in lending sits downstream of how you acquire customers and what it costs to reach them. And right now, that system is in flux.

AI has upended the old rules of digital acquisition. Google’s “Helpful Content” update triggered what Carlos describes in his writing as the “SEO Apocalypse”, a collapse that’s wiping out 50–90% of organic traffic and forcing publishers, affiliates, and lenders to rewrite their playbooks. The rise of AI-generated search results and zero-click answers means the economics of attention have changed for good.

Carlos and I dig into:

How AI is breaking traditional digital marketing and reshaping lender acquisition costs

What Google’s updates mean for SEO, SEM, and the affiliate ecosystem

How creators like My Rich BFF and MrBeast are becoming the new distribution channels for lenders

And what “Generative Engine Optimization” (GEO) might mean for the next phase of search

Tune in for Carlos’s take on how lenders, publishers, and fintechs can survive the SEO extinction event (and what it’ll take to win attention in the AI age).

Plus, we reference these three Free Toaster pieces throughout the conversation; consider them required reading:

The SEO Apocalypse Has Arrived

How New Balance's CMO Turned Around A 15-Year Decline

Reddit Isn't an Affiliate Channel

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